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Yes vs Genesis vPink Floyd?

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Topic: Yes vs Genesis vPink Floyd?
Posted By: BilboBaggins
Subject: Yes vs Genesis vPink Floyd?
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 07:55
In terms of the complete listening experience ie Technique, sound quality, music structure, emotions, musicianship, quantity of back catalogue, and just pure listening pleasure, which do you favour?

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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 08:45
It is very close Genesis/Yes - Both have been my favourite - But Genesis has been my number one more often = Floyd are not in the same class - Why ? Because the keyboard player is a muppet - who should have contributed more, and Gilmour played the same solo on every song......

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Posted By: plodder
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 09:24
I really love Pink Floyd, but Yes come out on top in this poll. Pre Hackett leaving Genesis might give these both a run for their money, but the "Collin's Years" have tainted my opinion of them too much.


Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 10:30
I think Genesis's top period out does either band, but Pink Floyd maintained its integrity and consistancy throughout their entire career , so my vote goes for Pink Floyd


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 10:59

It's not often I listen to Yes. I like them, but I need to be in the right mood. Totally mashed helps  Genesis on the other hand I will listen to every week. Alongside Rush they are joint top band for me. I have never got bored of them. I find their music emotional and very melodic.

I prefer Floyd to Yes too.

Genesis gets my vote!!



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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 11:05

 Early Genesis were great but not this great;Yes rules floyd are simply just good.

 

    



Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 11:07

as much as I love all three bands, Yes gets my vote.  I just really love them so much.



Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 11:10

Originally posted by BilboBaggins BilboBaggins wrote:

In terms of the complete listening experience ie Technique, sound quality, music structure, emotions, musicianship, quantity of back catalogue, and just pure listening pleasure, which do you favour?

Floyd strike out on technique and musicianship, but they get my vote for being the most consistent in realeasing high-quality material.



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Posted By: arkitek
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 11:24
Pink Floyd "all the way" comfortably numb is awesome


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 11:36

The answer is obvious for me GENESIS

  1. Most imaginative music
  2. Best vocalist
  3. Best guitar player
  4. Best Lyrics

The rest is silence...........

Iván



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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 12:17
Sampling any of FLOYD's back catalogue gives me the most 'pleasure'



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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 12:25

Yes, but only just.

What swung it for me was that they are the only one of the three still recording and performing live. We should all be grateful for that!



Posted By: Jaja Brasil
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 12:30

Hi Everybody...

It's very difficult to choose between my 3 favourites Prog Rock bands.

The 3 are wonderful but different of each others. I love them all.

My vote depends of my taste of today, and today I vote in Yes. Last month I thought about it and voted in Pink Floyd. Other day In Genesis.

But always one of this 3.

Best Greetings...



Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:23
Genesis, clearly ahead of Pink Floyd, even more clearly ahead of Yes.

I quite like listening to Yes, I own nine of their records including the most important ones like Relayer, Fragile, Close to the Edge and TFTO, but they simply are not in the same league for me as the Floyd of Meddle-The Wall or the Genesis of Trespass-Wind and wuthering.


Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:24
When I'm in the mood for some bombastic stuff I'd rather lsiten to ELP than Yes, so Yes is out for me. My vote goes for Genesis, because of their amazing Lyrics, musical arangement, and Gabriel's perfect, soulful voice. Genesis surpasses Floyd for me because they lack the sheer talent all the Genesis members have (not saying they aren't tallented musicians), and Genesis has some kind of magic.

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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:51
YES, just a bit better than Genesis.... Floyd isn't even close (though it's a good band)


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:55

Swinton MCR WROTE:

It is very close Genesis/Yes - Both have been my favourite - But Genesis has been my number one more often = Floyd are not in the same class - Why ? Because the keyboard player is a muppet - who should have contributed more, and Gilmour played the same solo on every song.....

Shut up idiot...

Please listern to early Genesis albums..One thing may strike out...Sound quality is appauling..O is your system that crap you've not noticed!

 

Tony banks...Not a muppet then... I thought he was dead on the seat.

 



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:56
Yes only realesed one real good album:Fragile
Genesis, one or two:selling england...and Nursery...
PF has made several masterpieces!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 13:58

ivan_2068 wrote:

The answer is obvious for me GENESIS

  1. Most imaginative music
  2. Best vocalist
  3. Best guitar player
  4. Best Lyrics

The rest is silence...........

Carry on Ivan with what i got blasted for in the first run..Too much self fan/band praise.



Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:00
Every Floyd's a masterpiece in its own right.  They won my vote a long time ago.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:07

Wizard/TRueStar

Every Floyd's a masterpiece in its own right.  They won my vote a long time ago.

 

Icannot fault any floyd album upto ''final cut'' i do have reservations for 'another brick' track from the wall..

 



Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:07
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

ivan_2068 wrote:

The answer is obvious for me GENESIS

  1. Most imaginative music
  2. Best vocalist
  3. Best guitar player
  4. Best Lyrics

The rest is silence...........

Carry on Ivan with what i got blasted for in the first run..Too much self fan/band praise.

He's not overdoing it like you



Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:24
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

ivan_2068 wrote:

The answer is obvious for me GENESIS

  1. Most imaginative music
  2. Best vocalist
  3. Best guitar player
  4. Best Lyrics

The rest is silence...........

Carry on Ivan with what i got blasted for in the first run..Too much self fan/band praise.

lol, the thread is about "comparing" genesis, yes and floyd. Of course he votes for his fav. band. You mentioned ELP in EVERY thread, no matter what it was about, there's quite a difference.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:40
[QUOTE=Joren][QUOTE=Karnevil9]

ivan_2068 wrote:

The answer is obvious for me GENESIS

  1. Most imaginative music
  2. Best vocalist
  3. Best guitar player
  4. Best Lyrics

The rest is silence...........

Carry on Ivan with what i got blasted for in the first run..Too much self fan/band praise.

 

He's not overdoing it like you..

 

Could have fooled me his GENESIS  is a 1/3rd bigger than any post ive made..

 



Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:41


Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 14:45
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

ivan_2068 wrote:

The answer is obvious for me GENESIS

  1. Most imaginative music
  2. Best vocalist
  3. Best guitar player
  4. Best Lyrics

The rest is silence...........

Carry on Ivan with what i got blasted for in the first run..Too much self fan/band praise.

he posted once, in a forum topic about Genesis.



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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 15:55
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

[QUOTE=Joren][QUOTE=Karnevil9]

ivan_2068 wrote:

The answer is obvious for me GENESIS

  1. Most imaginative music
  2. Best vocalist
  3. Best guitar player
  4. Best Lyrics

The rest is silence...........

Carry on Ivan with what i got blasted for in the first run..Too much self fan/band praise.

 

He's not overdoing it like you..

 

Could have fooled me his GENESIS  is a 1/3rd bigger than any post ive made..

 

 subtle Kornyvil



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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:00
1.Genesis
2.Yes
3. Pink Floyd

Pink Floyd isn't even close to any of my favorite bands but they are still *alright*


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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:05

Since the phrase used is "pleasurable listening experience," I had to go with Genesis.  I love Yes, but they tend to be a bit more "hyper" than Genesis, who are generally (I said "generally...)more mellow.  I also love PF, but they tend to be a bit more "heady" than Genesis, who are generally (I said "generally"...) more "lyrical."

Ultimately, an impossible choice.  But if forced to make one, Genesis it is...

Peace.



Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:11

YESGenesisPink Floyd

Order of greatness

Lyrics : Roger Waters, Peter Gabriel, Jon Anderson

Singing : Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, a lot of different persons, than Roger/David

Guitar : Steve Howe, Steve Hachet, David Gilmour

Drums : Allan White, Bill Bruford, Phil Collins., the guy from Pink Floyd

Keyboards : Banks, Kaye/Wakeman, the guy from Pink Floyd

Bass : Squire, no competition

Best songs : CTTE Relayer, The Knife Supper's ready where did PinkFloyd go?

Most consistent : Pink Floyd (all crap) just kidding, all albums are above average.(untill The Wall)



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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:25

Tuxon-

Nick Mason on Drums, Richard Wright on Keyboard.

And Gabriel is far ahead of Jon Anderson for vocals!



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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:33

Plant,

The first , was to emphasise their insignificance.

The second, that's a matter of opinion, I prefer Jon Anderson, Gabriel is to derivative of Fish for that matter.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:37

ref to tuxon:

E L P

YES Genesis Pink Floyd

Order of greatness

Lyrics : Greg Lake, Roger Waters, Peter Gabriel, Jon Anderson

Singing : Greg Lake, Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, a lot of different persons, than Roger/David

Guitar : Greg Lake, Steve Howe, Steve Hachet, David Gilmour

Drums : Carl Palmer, Allan White, Bill Bruford, Phil Collins., the guy from Pink Floyd

Keyboards :Keith Emerson, Banks, Kaye/Wakeman, the guy from Pink Floyd

Bass : Greg Lake,Squire, no competition

Best songs : All ELP,CTTE Relayer, The Knife Supper's ready where did PinkFloyd go?

Most consistent : Pink Floyd (all crap) just kidding, all albums are above average.(untill The Wall) Don't forget all ELP!...

 



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:40

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván



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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:41
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Plant,

The first , was to emphasise their insignificance.

The second, that's a matter of opinion, I prefer Jon Anderson, Gabriel is to derivative of Fish for that matter.

I suppose it is hard to tell sarcasm on the internet. I was doing the same. Nick Mason is an underestimated drummer in my opinion, and Richard Wright, well maybe you're right about him, but it's too bad he didn't get to sing enough. Keyboard was important in a lot of Floyd music, just not as prominant as the other instruments. As for Gabriel, Fish is derivitive of Gabriel, and there's still a noticable difference I would say. Jon Anderson annoys me after a while.



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Collaborators will take your soul.


Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:42
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Two unasked provocations from the same meber, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the mebers I will avoid this problems.

Iván

Kick some butt Knifeman Ivan!Evil Smile



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 16:59



Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:02
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Pink FloydGenesisYES

Order of greatness

Lyrics : Roger Waters, Peter Gabriel, Jon Anderson

Singing : Peter Gabriel, Roger/David, A lot of other persons, my Cat, Jon Anderson.

Guitar : David Gilmour, Steve Hackett, Steve Howe

Drums : Bill Bruford, Phil Collins, Nick Mason

Keyboards : Tony Banks, Richard Wright, The average monkey, Kaye/Wakeman

Bass : Squire, Waters, Rutherford

Best songs : Firth of Fifth, Can-Utility and the Coastliners, Echoes, Dogs, The Great Gig in the Sky, Supper's Ready, The Knife, Everything else Genesis did until Duke PLUS Everything Pink Floyd ever did up until The Wall, Every otherpiece of music that's ever been written except anything by Yes - which just sucks.

 

Only kidding!

I wouldn't put Yes onto the same register as "best" anything when it comes to their music .



Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:07

Originally posted by CERTIF1ED CERTIF1ED wrote:

I wouldn't put Yes onto the same register as "best" anything when it comes to their music .

Ermm

Apart from Squire and Bruford..err obviously Cert!!Embarrassed

Bass : Squire, Waters, Rutherford

Drums : Bill Bruford, Phil Collins, Nick Mason

LOL



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:18
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by CERTIF1ED CERTIF1ED wrote:

I wouldn't put Yes onto the same register as "best" anything when it comes to their music .

Ermm

Apart from Squire and Bruford..err obviously Cert!!Embarrassed

Bass : Squire, Waters, Rutherford

Drums : Bill Bruford, Phil Collins, Nick Mason

LOL

Who says I'd stopped joking?



Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:18
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván

With you 100% Ivan!Thumbs Up



Posted By: frosty
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:24

Not a YES fan then Cert?



Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:26
He's in denial

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:34
ivan_2068

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván

 

Great the less of your crap the better

 



Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:41
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

ivan_2068

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván

 

Great the less of your crap the better

 

 



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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:43

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

He's in denial

No, he's just not tone deaf.



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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:46
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván

With you 100% Ivan!Thumbs Up

I'm with you 100%, too, Ivan!Thumbs Up  It's a pity that his farewell message was just bogus.

Oh, I voted for YES , because I considered a "mental rating" of their best works. I thinck that Fragile, CTTE and Relayer surpass even the best Genesis and PF recordings. But of course, all of them have done some only good recordings, others so-so, and some lousy albums and songs, too. I didn't go for the elements (guitarists, drummers, lyricis, vocalists...) but for the works themselves.

Regards. 



Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:48
Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:


Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.


Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon


Iván



With you 100% Ivan!



I'm with you 100%, too, Ivan!  It's a pity that his farewell message was just bogus.


Regards. 



Totaly agree.


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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:55
Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván

With you 100% Ivan!Thumbs Up

I'm with you 100%, too, Ivan!Thumbs Up  It's a pity that his farewell message was just bogus.

Like all of his posts are, I still think it's Reed in a cunning disguise



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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 17:55
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

YESGenesisPink Floyd

Order of greatness

Lyrics : Roger Waters, Peter Gabriel, Jon Anderson

Singing : Jon Anderson, Peter Gabriel, a lot of different persons, than Roger/David

Guitar : Steve Howe, Steve Hachet, David Gilmour

Drums : Allan White, Bill Bruford, Phil Collins., the guy from Pink Floyd

Keyboards : Banks, Kaye/Wakeman, the guy from Pink Floyd

Bass : Squire, no competition

Best songs : CTTE Relayer, The Knife Supper's ready where did PinkFloyd go?

Most consistent : Pink Floyd (all crap) just kidding, all albums are above average.(untill The Wall)

HI TUXON, I agree with you in a few items and disagree in the rest of them. Totally agree on Squire's superiority as a bass player, and also the supreme greatness of such grandiose compositions as "Close to the Edge" and "The gates of Delirium".

But I think that the best lyricist involved in this poll is Peter Gabriel, and the best guitarist is in Genesis, too - Hackett. As fur the drummer's seat, no one among the ones invovled in this poll has dignified it as much as Bruford, even in his formative years!! The best keyboardists have played in Yes: Wakeman and Moraz. As for the voclaist department, I give the gold medal to the mystical Anderson and the silver medal shared by the romantic Gabriel and the rocky Gilmour.

Regards to Tuxon and all my ProgArchives fellows.

 



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:22

Again thanks to Garion, Tuxon and Cesar, don't worry, sometimes it's better to ignore some things.

Now back to the issue:

Genesis Pink Floyd YES

Order of personal preference

Lyrics : Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters, Jon Anderson

Singing :  Peter Gabriel, Roger/David Jon Anderson

Guitar :  Steve Hachet, Steve Howe, David Gilmour

Drums : Bill Bruford, Phil Collins., Nick Mason

Keyboards : Banks, Wakeman/Moraz, Rick Wright

Bass : Squire, Mike Rutherford, Roger Waters

Best songs : Musical Box, Can Utility and the Coastliners, Supper's Ready, Shine on You Crazy Diamond, Comfortably Numb, Careful with that Axe Eugene, Close to the Edge, Your's is no Disgrace, Gates of Delirium

Iván



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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:22

I'd say Tony Banks is a strong contender for best Keyboardist, and Hackett ranks best for Guitar. All the guitarists have a very distinct sound though, I especially noticed Gilmour in :The division Bell", as for lyricist, it's clearly Gabriel, and Waters second, with Anderson way below. I would rate the bands in the same order for vocals. The weakest bassist is Waters no doubt, and Obviously Yes ranks at the top there, but Rutherford is very underrated, he ranks among my favorite bassists, despite most peoples opinions of him.

Steve Howe looks like an Elf from Rivendell, or at least he used to. Now he looks like some crazy monster that can frighten small children.



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Posted By: Jaja Brasil
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:38

Hi Everybody...

I am new in the Forum and I'm a little bit scared with all this WAR !!!

The 3 bands are super as ELP, Camel, Renaissance, Jethro Tull (whom I'm listening a bootleg now).

The important is that all of us love GOOD music, apart of our favourites bands.

Peace , love and Prog Rock for everyone.

Best Greetings



Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:41
Originally posted by Jaja Brasil Jaja Brasil wrote:

Hi Everybody...

I am new in the Forum and I'm a little bit scared with all this WAR !!!

The 3 bands are super as ELP, Camel, Renaissance, Jethro Tull (whom I'm listening a bootleg now).

The important is that all of us love GOOD music, apart of our favourites bands.

Peace , love and Prog Rock for everyone.

Best Greetings

It's no big war, just a wee argument. I think we all like to argue here. I'm out to listen to The Lamb!



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Posted By: The-Bullet
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 18:44

Well said Jaja , you're needed at the U.N. .

As for the question - For me  Yes/Genesis/Floyd. The best of Yes does more for me than the best of the rest.



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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 20:50

Jaja, don't give up hope. The few that shout tend to overpower the many that lovingly whisper.



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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 20:53
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

Jaja, don't give up hope. The few that shout tend to overpower the many that lovingly whisper.

SHUT UP! JAMES LEE!



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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 20:55

I go for Yes because they have the best logo.

 

Actually, I think that they all have enough merit to be N1, so will not vote in the poll.



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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 20:59
Originally posted by Rob The Plant Rob The Plant wrote:

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

Jaja, don't give up hope. The few that shout tend to overpower the many that lovingly whisper.

SHUT UP! JAMES LEE!

 

I forgive you.

 



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Posted By: Jaja Brasil
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 21:04
PEACE AND LOVE, GUYS...


Posted By: BilboBaggins
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 22:38

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Yes only realesed one real good album:Fragile
Genesis, one or two:selling england...and Nursery...
PF has made several masterpieces!

I havn't revealed my hand as yet even though I have voted but I just had to step in here:-

Trespass = Minor Masterpeice, Nursery Cryme = Masterpeice, Foxtrot = Masterpeice, Genesis Live = Masterpeirce, Selling England... = Masterpeice, Lamb.... = Masterpeice, Trick of the Tail = Masterpeice, Wind & Wuthering = Masterpeice, Seconds Out = Masterpeice, And then there were three = Masterpeice, Duke = Masterpeice, Trree Sides Live = Minor Masterpeice .....All downhill from here though!

If we count the Minor Masterpeices as a half I make that 11 Masterpeices and I was very tempted to include the two 'Archive' albums! I'm sorry but the other two bands don't come close. (I guess you know which way I voted now!) :)

Pink Floyd have sold more albums than Genesis purely because of 'DSOTM' and 'Wish You Were Here' having sold bucketloads. Gut that's just because these two albums were possibly Floyd's most accessible and in turn this made it easier for the media to hype them as well (I have always felt tat WYWH was better than DSOTM anyway). Genesis were always an aquired taste, at least up until '....and then there were three' anyway. But I think time has allowed more people to get to grips with their music thus now they have caught up and are leading this poll amongst today's prog rock listeners.

And as for 'Yes'...well they didn't have Tony Banks or Steve Hackett did they?(!)



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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 22:58
I think it's important to consider "Animals". Does anyon disagree that it's one of the greatest allbums of all time?

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Posted By: Vegetableman
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 22:58
Originally posted by BilboBaggins BilboBaggins wrote:

 

If we count the Minor Masterpeices as a half I make that 11 Masterpeices and I was very tempted to include the two 'Archive' albums! I'm sorry but the other two bands don't come close. (I guess you know which way I voted now!) :)

 

Hearsay!! The Floyd trumps both of them... (Piper, Saucer, More, Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, Meddle, Obscured by Clouds, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall, The Final Cut, A Momentary Lapse of Reason, The Division Bell) Thats 14!! If Duke is a masterpiece, everything Floyd put out it is masterpiece... even "Nick Mason's" Fictitious Sports!!! )



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"Progressive.... yeah, that's it..."


Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 26 2005 at 23:29

and if "Fictitious Sports" is a masterpiece, then so is "Big Generator".  

I prefer Yes and Floyd to Genesis, but I'll listen to everything from "Trespass" through "Trick of the Tail" twenty times apiece before I'll punish myself with anything by Floyd after "Wish You Were Here" or anything by Yes after "Relayer".



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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 01:05

I guess I go like this:

Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis...

The thought that someone could say that David Gilmour always played the same guitar solo... makes me realize that there's a lot more people here than me or KE9 who show biasness towards specific bands...

And James, Division Bell is in my top 3 favorite PF albums...

And I loved Yes's early stuff... even Tormato.  Then Big Generator just blew them out of the water...

And I've just never gotten into Genesis no matter how much I listen to them.  They are great for background music, when you're not really paying attention, but once I'm paying attention, I have to play something else... Sorry, I admit it with them.. I just don't get the attraction, but then generally I can't stand Broadway musicals either.



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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 01:21

Bilboh Baggins wrote:

Quote And as for 'Yes'...well they didn't have Tony Banks or Steve Hackett did they?(!)

No they didn't but they had Rick Wakeman and Steve Howe, the first one with a better technique than Tony (Even if I like Tony's music more) and Steve Howe in the same level as Steve Hackett again despite my preference for Hacketts work in Genesis and solo.

Iván

 



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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 01:39
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

And James, Division Bell is in my top 3 favorite PF albums...

Momentary Lapse stung me so bad I didn't give Division Bell a chance...I guess I should listen to it at least once before shooting my mouth off again, huh?



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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 03:26
Originally posted by Rob The Plant Rob The Plant wrote:

I think it's important to consider "Animals". Does anyon disagree that it's one of the greatest allbums of all time?

Me. "Animals" is raw, and angry Floyd. Such an important work...

And for all those "Division Bell" naysayers out there, give it a try. As Threefates stated, I too rank it in my Top 3 Floyd albums, without hesitation. Don't let any pro-Waters prejudice cloud your thoughts about this album. Musically it is very uplifting.

For me: 1. Animals, 2. Division Bell, 3. DSOTM I know most people would totally disagree with me but they'll see the light eventually


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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 03:49

Originally posted by Cluster One Cluster One wrote:


For me: 1. Animals, 2. Division Bell, 3. DSOTM I know most people would totally disagree with me but they'll see the light eventually

Actually Cluster One, thats my top three in that order also!!



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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 04:49
Hey 3F8ts-I too believe that anyone believing Gilmour plays the same solo over and over is deaf and mentally-impaired.(Embarrassed agree???)
The guy has racked up some incredible solos over his career and every one of them makes you want to jump up and play "air guitar".No other guitarist has this effect on me-I have suddenly "strummed" on buses,planes and trains and even in traffic jams, whilst listening to my walkman over the years.You can just imagine what the other passengers are thinking-"aah,of course-he's listening to Pink Floyd!"Smile

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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 05:06

impossible to decide - all have an equal place in my affections

But if I HAD ot choose - it'd be Floyd

I could listen to Gilmour all day every day. Expression, emotion, delicacy, intensity, sensitivity - what a guitar player!

Anyone disagree? Have a listen to his playing on 'Dogs' - it blows anything Hackett or Howe ever did out of the water.



Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 07:41

[QUOTE=oliverstoned]Yes only realesed one real good album:Fragile
Genesis, one or two:selling england...and Nursery...
PF has made several masterpieces!

Yes only released one good album!!!!!!!!!! You must be stoned oliver time with such a ludicrous statement;Close to the Edge the finest piece of music ever written,followed closely by the Lamb.Jon Anderson the singer supreme.Yes rules cha cha cha cha cha, sorry Metro'



Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 07:53
Yes.


Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 08:32
Is it me or are these bands a weak comparison to the rest of the prog spectrum? 

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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 08:51
ha ha ha ha


Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 09:19
Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván

With you 100% Ivan!Thumbs Up  Me Too...

I'm with you 100%, too, Ivan!Thumbs Up  It's a pity that his farewell message was just bogus.

Oh, I voted for YES , because I considered a "mental rating" of their best works. I thinck that Fragile, CTTE and Relayer surpass even the best Genesis and PF recordings. But of course, all of them have done some only good recordings, others so-so, and some lousy albums and songs, too. I didn't go for the elements (guitarists, drummers, lyricis, vocalists...) but for the works themselves.

Regards. 

I couldnt agree more....

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Posted By: Eemu Ranta
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 09:33
Originally posted by Lunarscape Lunarscape wrote:

Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Two unasked provocations from the same member, and I still refuse to answer him. As I promissed to the members I will avoid this problems.

Thanks Joren BebbieM, Rob & Tuxon

Iván

With you 100% Ivan!Thumbs Up  Me Too...

I'm with you 100%, too, Ivan!Thumbs Up  It's a pity that his farewell message was just bogus.

Oh, I voted for YES , because I considered a "mental rating" of their best works. I thinck that Fragile, CTTE and Relayer surpass even the best Genesis and PF recordings. But of course, all of them have done some only good recordings, others so-so, and some lousy albums and songs, too. I didn't go for the elements (guitarists, drummers, lyricis, vocalists...) but for the works themselves.

Regards. 

I couldnt agree more....



I couldn't disagree less.


Posted By: Jaja Brasil
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:12

Hi Everybody,

I think I will be crucified now, but I think we can't compare musicians.

Can you imagine Carl Palmer or Neil Peart playing drums in The Beatles ?

Or Geddy Lee playing bass in Rolling Stones.

It will never works, apart all of them are spectacular musicians !

So I think it's a lost of time compares Gilmour, Howe & Hacket. All superb guitar players (my favourites), but each one in his band. I can't imagine Yes with Gilmour, Genesis with Howe or Pink Floyd with Hackett... It can works, but will be very very very different!

OK. Our taste for best bands is one thing, but I don't like to compare which is the best guitarrist.

Well this is only MY opinion.

Best Greetings



Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:19
Genesis had humor, Yes didn´t 

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:58
Jaja Brasil wrote:
Quote So I think it's a lost of time compares Gilmour, Howe & Hacket. All superb guitar players (my favourites), but each one in his band. I can't imagine Yes with Gilmour, Genesis with Howe or Pink Floyd with Hackett... It can works, but will be very very very different!

OK. Our taste for best bands is one thing, but I don't like to compare which is the best guitarrist

Agree with you, you can compare the different styles but at that level, it's hard to say which one is best, this is my opinion:

Steve Hackett: He's the master of the atmospheres and his accoustic playing is simply impeccable.

Steve Howe: He's a band player, plays good solos and outstanding electric parts, still I think his accoustic is not as strong as Hackett's. The guy needs more versatility, he has spent the last 30 - 35 years playing the same two solos (Mood for a Day and Clap) except in a couple of cases.

Dave Gilmour: Complete guitar player, he's the master of the solos, also has a very good atmospheric sound when he needs to.

I'd go with Hackett butthat's only a matter of taste.

Iván 



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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:21

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Genesis had humor, Yes didn´t 

You mean Trevor Rabin was serious? I've been laughing this whole time for nothing. 



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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:22

It's OK that KARN-EVIL has a go at everyone - HE even sent a fairly hostile e-mither to my home e-mail account - now that is SAD !

 



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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:34
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

It's OK that KARN-EVIL has a go at everyone - HE even sent a fairly hostile e-mither to my home e-mail account - now that is SAD !

 



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Posted By: Possessed
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:34
I like all three. Why do I have to choose? Decisions. Decisions.


Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 15:45
When it comes down to comparing 2 classic bands (I don't factor in Floyd, as they shouldn't even be mentionned in the same breath), I look at the penultimate albums and compare the best of the best.

Yes wins by a bloody landslide. Not even close IMO.


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 15:51
   Pink Floyd by a mile.
 
   I don't really like Genesis that much,only Peter Gabriel solo.
   And with Yes,some of the albums are excellent,some are good,but not my type.


  


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 15:53
Yes.Close To The Edge is probably the greatest ensemble prog recording.Incredibly talented band that nailed it down tight.Genesis and Pink Floyd probably created 'deeper' music but Yes were always focused on what they were trying to achieve.Slam on the headphones and go on a trip!


Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 16:03
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

It's OK that KARN-EVIL has a go at everyone - HE even sent a fairly hostile e-mither to my home e-mail account - now that is SAD !

How did he get your home email address if you don't have it listed on your profile??



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 16:40
Having recently bought The Yes Album AND Relayer, I have to say that Yes takes the cake in all categories. It took me a while to warm up to Relayer, but it becomes more enjoyable every time I listen to it. The Gates of Delirium is the best. The drum parts on Sound Chaser are outstanding. And how can you beat Yours is no Disgrace off The Yes Album?


Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 16:42

Originally posted by redbar89 redbar89 wrote:

... And how can you beat Yours is no Disgrace off The Yes Album?

Have you heard Dogs off PF's "Animals"???  thats how!



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Posted By: The-Bullet
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 19:21

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Genesis had humor, Yes didn´t 

I didn't realize we were voting for comedy. In that case my vote goes to Fawly Towers

 



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Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: February 27 2005 at 20:15
Originally posted by The-Bullet The-Bullet wrote:

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Genesis had humor, Yes didn´t 

I didn't realize we were voting for comedy. In that case my vote goes to Fawly Towers

 

1.  Yes

2.  Pink Floyd

3.  Genesis

I don't think Genesis is in the same league as Pink Floyd, and I don't think Floyd comes close to Yes.



Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 19:48

Originally posted by Abbath Abbath wrote:

When it comes down to comparing 2 classic bands (I don't factor in Floyd, as they shouldn't even be mentionned in the same breath), I look at the penultimate albums and compare the best of the best.

Yes wins by a bloody landslide. Not even close IMO.

You'll do for me Abbath;Yes the finest rock band ever  at least up until 1979 and currently the greatest live act on the planet. John Gargo and The Bullet and James Lee, let us not mention the Rabin man please.Richardh, Close to the Edge,sheer musical bliss, unmatched by no other band and Redbar  ignore 3 fates the woman's crazy,the Floyd were the medias semi prog darlings and one of them was hers Dogs, give the floyd a bone!!!!!!!!!



Posted By: BilboBaggins
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 21:01

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Yes.Close To The Edge is probably the greatest ensemble prog recording.Incredibly talented band that nailed it down tight.Genesis and Pink Floyd probably created 'deeper' music but Yes were always focused on what they were trying to achieve.Slam on the headphones and go on a trip!

'always focused on what they were trying to achieve' - er what was that? No I'm genuinely interested, I want to know what it is about Yes's music that has prompted this tight two horse race. You say they were not deep, did you mean lyric wise, technically, or musically?

I am determined to get to the bottom of this. I will go out and buy 'Close to the edge'. Is that the best one? Is this the album with 'Wondrous Stories'? I have to say that so far I have found Yes to be cold and devoid of light and shade. Rick Wakeman was very mechanical in his style that never left me amazed at the way his solo's made sense in the same way that Tony Banks did. Banks had feeling and a wonderful knack of doing the right thing at the right moment - Example - his solo's in Cinema Show, firth of Fifth, In the Cage, and Supper's Ready to name but a few. His intros on tracks like 'Watcher of the Skies' and Firth of Fifth were outstanding. Howe was technically very nimble across the frets but nothing he did sent a shiver down my spine in the way Hackett did on Firth of Fifth. Jon Anderson had a whiney voice that tired after just a few listenings. Gabriel and even Collins (prior to Abacab) were infinitely more poetic, more dramatic.

But after all of this I beg to be shown the better way and would appreciate knowing what is Yes's 'Selling England' or 'Trick of the Tail'. If 'Close to the Edge' is the album with 'Wondrous Stories' on it then I rember hearing that track and thinking 'aha' here is the album that will give me the depth and complexity I am striving for. Then as I listened to further tracks i realised this was the only track that fitted that bill. I really do want to like Yes - Please help as there must be a reason for the votes it has picked up. Is it that Yes were a 'blokes' band and Genesis were the 'thinking man's' band?



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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 21:11

Dear Bilbo Baggins.

CTTE is the album with CTTE on it, B-side consists of And You And I, and Siberian Kathru, Wonderous Stories is from Going for the one, which indeed isn't the best of albums Yes ever conceived.

 

To fully apreciate the marvelous soundscapes Yes ever produced, you might want to check their debut album up to The Yes album, maybe skip fragile, but make sure you'll listen to CTTE, it will be a good introduction to their more melodic side, Relayer and Tales from topographic oceans may be a bit on the difficult side (needs time to sink in)

Don't deny yourself the possible pleasure of Yes, because they are not the easy listening type of band. (I say possible, for their is alway's the odd chance you really not like them)



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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 21:12

Close to the Edge doesn't have Wonderous Stories on it.  That song is on "Going for the One"  Close to the Edge has "Close to the Edge", "And You and I" and Siberian Khatru"...

I realize I'm not that big of fan of Genesis... but as an ELP fan even, I don't think Genesis has anything that can stand up to Yes's Close to the Edge...



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Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: February 28 2005 at 23:27
Even though Yes are THE band for technical ability, I voted for

GENESIS

I just like them quite a lot. Great song subjects (lyrics that actually mean something), great solos, great singing, great everything. Oh, and The Lamb...need I say more?

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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 02:13
^ yeh, you do... explain "the Lamb"  to me lyric by lyric and then tell me if makes more sense than any Yes song...

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 04:01

 I enjoy less Yes than Floyd and Gabriel's Genesis.

Based on their total discography , Floyd is really the better pick because there are no stinkers. Even their worst (arguably Final Cut or Lapse Of Reason ) are much superior than Invisible Touch or Close Your Ears.

As for the most pleasure, I get it from making love to my girlfriend while Floyd is playing.

Uh!!....UH!!!.......UH!!!!!!!!...........AAARGH...........



Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: March 01 2005 at 04:05

Bilbo are you still under that infernal mountain with Gollum looking for some sort of ring?

You don't know what album ' Wonderous stories' is on and if you have listened to 'Going for the One' then you will have heard one of rocks most beautifully sung,worded and played songs ever in 'Turn of the Century' Anderson a whiney voice!!!!!!!!! The man has the purest most emotional voice in music and his lyrics during the classic years were fantastic.You seem to know all about Genesis and who you prefer as opposed to the Yes men but know so very little about Yes;prog's greatest band!!!!! Methinks there is a small wind up at play.If you are indeed genuine then listen to the Yes album,Fragile,Close to the Edge then Relayer and if you still think in the same vogue then okadokay.But musicianship wise the Genesis boys are in second place.




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