Why are Fantomas and Mr Bungle here...
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Topic: Why are Fantomas and Mr Bungle here...
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Subject: Why are Fantomas and Mr Bungle here...
Date Posted: February 19 2005 at 17:38
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...but Faith no More isn't? They have more catchy songs and modal song scructures, but I feel they're just as progressive in nature as the other two bands. Just listen to "Midnight Cowboy" or "King for a Day" or "Star AD". What does everyone else think? ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 19 2005 at 18:41
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I think Zombie Eaters, The Real Thing and Woodpecker from Mars are very proggy. |
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: February 19 2005 at 19:08
Allmusic.com's biography describes them as "a mixture of metal, funk, hip-hop( ) and PROGRESSIVE ROCK".Cmon, let em in! ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: February 19 2005 at 21:49
| But we CAN'T let them in, for the same reason that we can't let Queen into the archives. If we do, that means we have to let everyone else come it too!!!!! [/sarcasm] |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: February 19 2005 at 22:02
| hmmm, well faith no more is pretty complex but ive always considered it more alternative than anything, mike pattons other projects (epsecially mr.bungle) are more prog i guess, even though ive always called it jazz-metal... but i think im the only one who calls it that. |
Posted By: illustrated
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 00:51
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Patton was in Faith No More, but you can't compare it to Mr. Bungle. Have you listened to Disco Volante? And Fantomas, well, it's pretty weird. It can still be considered progressive though - especially with albums like 'Delerium Cordia'. |
Aerosol Grey wrote:Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 02:06
I own every FNM, Bungle and Fantomas disc with Disco Volante being my favorite album Patton's ever lent his vocal cords to. Bungle and Fantomas are certainly more unconvential and erratic, but FNM is very expiremental in their own right not to mention the symphonic qualities of Roddy Bottum's keyboard work. ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 05:08
| I think FNM just don't go far enough to be considered prog. I do love their music but I never hear quite the level of progginess as in Bungle or Fantomas. Likewise with Tomahawk. |
Posted By: Beau Heem
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 06:03
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Faith No More has been a source of inspiration for many a punk band. I,
for one, have encountered (and rather enjoyed) two musical masterpieces
called No More Faith No More and Faith No More an We Hate Them More and More Cheers -Beau ------------- --No enemy but time-- |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 06:29
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faith no more are no way jose prog. dont let them in. no more mike patton! ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 09:50
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Incidentally, anybody who's into Bungle/FNM should check out the following bands: Estradasphere (more jazzy, and also with Eastern European folk music and occasional bursts of death metal!) Thought Industry (just weird) Dog Fashion Disco (a sort of nu metal version of Faith No More with circus music [not as bad as it sounds!]; their first album is pretty dull but there's some stuff I really like on the second one) and finally, a band I just found out about: Sigh (From Japan: think Mr. Bungle crossed with black metal!) |
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 14:27
I made a Sigh thread last week, and thats not what they sound like at all. and DFD is horrible ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
Posted By: ShrinkingViolet
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 14:38
| faith no more are awesome and perhaps proggish...excellent band ! |
Posted By: Inferno
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 15:56
| For those who likes Mr bungle, Try Naked City (A John Zorn project) or Melt Banana!! |
Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 16:06
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Granted that ANGEL DUST is one of my favorite albums, I'm just not sure about them being prog. But, it's true that they weren't held back categorically. They were a very interesting and adventurous band. THE REAL THING was actually the very first album I ever bought (on tape, age 5). |
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 16:22
Yes!!! I can't endorse the reccomendation of Naked City enough. Brilliant fusion band. ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: February 20 2005 at 17:50
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They shouldn't be here. I think having a "few proggy songs" shouldn't make someone liable to be "Prog-Rock", or even on a Prog-Rock archive. Some people have said Metallica's "One" has some prog elements... but you couldn't fit Metallica in here if you tried. I'm a Faith No More fan, but when it comes to putting them on a Prog website, they can f**k off. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 21 2005 at 12:21
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Yeah! Naked City is awesome! |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 14:47
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Have you heard Pogo the Clown? Or God Crisis? If not give them a listen and see if it changes your mind! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 15:08
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I think that pandora's box was already opened by adding Fantomas & Mr. Bungle ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 16:32
| The incessant appeals for non prog bands to be on here is becoming very tedious.I love rock music but it is not prog and does not belong on here and this includes all of Patton's bands. |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 16:39
Painkiller is even better! ------------- And above all, is punk 
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:36
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oh come on let's just let every freaking band in the damn archives that ever did anything that was ever somewhat interesting Faith No More is rap, metal, rock, NOT PROG. ------------- 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:40
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Faith No More is about a tenth metal and about a twentieth rap. And not really avant-garde, either, although Fantomas obviously is, as well as Mr. Bungle to a lesser extent. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:40
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Why does everyone have to keep questioning the site Admins decisions to include bands? They set this site up - and they decide what goes in and what doesn't. If I was in charge, Dream Theater would be out in a heartbeat, and Muse would be in I'd also include Mariah Carey... |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:42
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:43
Faith No More is crossover, but not even remotely rap. Peter Gabriel ... I wonder if that is Progressive Rock. More like Avantgarde Pop, or Art Rock maybe ... see how hard it is to distinguish Avantgarde/Art/Experimental/Progressive? I can't. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:44
This prove you didn't listen to anything of 'em, except Epic.
Now, that's a good idea! Avant-garde normally can be classified as prog, because it is, naturally, progressive (in the true sense of word). As we don't have ANY true classification of Progressive Rock, every Avant-Garde record can be considered as a Prog record, IMO... ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:48
i mean to say they are closer to rap and metal influences than to prog rock ones, it came out wrong. a lot of avant garde isnt really prog-rock though, its really far removed from rock -------------
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 17:50
Oh, in this case I agree... They have these influences... ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 19:53
First I thought you ment the MEMBER Fantömas... 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 19:54
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Hahahahahhahahaha
On another note, I'm back!!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 03 2005 at 19:57
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 04 2005 at 00:47
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Faith No More is not prog.BTW....Fantomas,I bought Tomahawks first cd and Mit Gas this evening.Good stuff,Im diggin it.Too bad they didn't sound this good live. -------------  |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 04 2005 at 12:50
Great albums (I prefer the first, but Mit Gas is also great)! ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: June 04 2005 at 17:35
| I didn't dig any Tomahawk at all. Love the Fantomas/Bungle/FNM stuff, and possibly the Melvins big band (or similar name) since I like the Melvins alone. |
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: June 04 2005 at 22:36
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Tomahawk is enjoyable, their albums run out of steam real fast though. ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |