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Posted By: The T
Subject: DT Fanboy? Check my review. Sorry for length.
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:14
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:17
I'll be reporting it for uber fanboyism
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:18
3387 words...
I just can't get through all that, it's too long.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:18
This is longer:
DREAM THEATER — Octavarium
Review by
jkg001
On June 7th, Dream Theater's Octavarium, their 8th studio album, was released to the
general public for consumption. Thanks to the magic of the internet, I found the leak of
the album that appeared a little over a week before the release date. So, I've had the
opportunity to digest this album in its entirety before most of the standard fanbase. In
addition, I have purchased the official release, as the leak was not the final mix, and I
have given that a full listen as well.
Regardless of your point of view towards Dream Theater's newer material, I think that
most would agree with me in stating that Octavarium is an important release. The
previous release, Train of Thought, put a lot of fans and critics on edge, as it seemed
that the heavy, excessively long songs filled with long, arguably pretentious (and
borderline pointless) solos were going to become the norm. I don't agree with all the
sentiments that the public expressed, but I do consider Train of Thought to be their
weakest studio album. The album was a one-time experiment that succeeded about
75% of the time. The solos/instrumental breaks were frequent and sometimes didn't
contribute to a song's integrity (see the unison instrumental section with John Petrucci
and Jordan Rudess in "In the Name of God" for a good example, or the extended solo
section of Honor Thy Father), and some songs felt like extended sections were tagged
on for length's sake (see the last two or so minutes of "This Dying Soul"). All in all,
Dream Theater established a new set of fans (particularly those with tastes in the
heavier side of music), but alienated a good deal of their older fans. This puts
Octavarium in a position of "Do or die." Dream Theater is aware of the criticisms that
Train of Thought met. They weren't deaf (in fact, as the song "Never Enough" states,
they were sometimes downright offended by the ignorant flak some fans spewed in
their direction), and from listening to Octavarium it seems like they were eager to
address the concerns the fanbase brought up.
In order to prepare myself for reviewing this album, I went back to listened to each and
every studio album released by Dream Theater, one a day, up until the official release
date. What I found interesting was how much their sound changes just from album to
album, and how much Images and Words does not sound like When Dream And Day
Unite, and that Awake sounds nothing like Images and Words, and so on and so forth.
Furthermore, I noticed that the "w**kery" that Dream Theater is accused of didn't truly
surface until Scenes From A Memory, and didn't become relentless until Train Of
Thought. Out of all the albums, I experienced some bad cases of boredom on Train Of
Thought (especially during the later half of "Honor Thy Father") and even on Scenes
From A Memory. As I expected, I enjoyed Awake, Falling Into Infinity, and Images and
Words the most, with When Dream And Day Unite surprising me (I had never "listened"
to that album properly, now I see some of its own magic) and Six Degrees Of Inner
Turbulence getting an honorable mention. When Dream And Day Unite and Scenes
From A Memory are easily Dream Theater's most bombastic albums, while Awake and
Falling Into Infinity I find to be their most personal. Images and Words is magical and
epic, like its not of this world.
I did a lot of research on Octavarium before it was even released. I listened to the
early radio edits. I read nearly everything the band had to say about this album. I
knew what I was going to listen to. I understood the direction they were going to
take. When I listened to the full album for the first time, I was expecting a mix of
Falling Into Infinity, Awake, and to a lesser degree, Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence,
plus whatever new spins Dream Theater would pull on this album. Guess what, I heard
exactly what I planned on hearing. It helps to be informed, understand the direction
the band is going in, and to prepare yourself for what you will hear. It helps the
appreciation process a lot.
Let me be blunt. If you dislike all of Dream Theater's material after Images and Words
(and probably even Awake), you won't like Octavarium. Dream Theater is not going to
return to that sound, and to expect them to do so is absurd. This record still sounds
like the version of Dream Theater that was established on 1999's Scenes From A
Memory after Jordan Rudess joined the band as their permanent keyboardist. On the
flip side, for the individuals that thought Train of Thought was one of Dream Theater's
best albums, and that their earlier work is not as interesting, then I will say that they
will probably be under-welmed by this effort. A lot of the elements from their past
three albums are absent, and replaced with some sensibilities that haven't been seen
since Falling Into Infinity. What is the point I am trying to make? Approach this album
with an open mind. It is not supposed to be part two of any of their previous albums.
It is the next iteration of Dream Theater, and it takes some elements from their past,
ditches others, and then introduces variety and influences that have not surfaced in
Dream Theater's music up until now.
Now that the stage has been set, how is the album itself? I think that "variety" is
probably the best word to describe this record. I haven't seen this range of variety
since Falling Into Infinity. There are the metal songs, there is a ballad, there are a
couple of hard rock inspired songs, and then there are a couple prog epics that the
band is famous for. It essentially covers every base, meaning there is something for
everyone on this album. They wrote these songs in the studio over the course of a
month and a half I believe, and given that they took their time and put constraints on
themselves, the end result is diverse and focused.
Dream Theater, for example, forced themselves to write some songs that weren't
extended in length (much like Rush did at one point in their career). Those songs
include "The Answer Lies Within" and "I Walk Beside You." Other songs break the five
minute mark, but are much more concise in what they state musically. "The Root of All
Evil," for example, is a continuation of the AA saga by Mike Portnoy that started
with "The Glass Prison" back on Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. This is the first song
in the series that does not break 10 minutes. Unlike "This Dying Soul," it does not feel
like the song meanders pointlessly. Instead, it is a focused effort that continues the
AA saga and references the past songs to produce a enjoyable atmosphere.
Finally, the first seven songs are all written in different keys. "The Root of All Evil" is in
A, "The Answer Lies Within" is in B, "These Walls" is in C, and so on and so forth. In
Octavarium, it once again starts with the key of A, and ends on A. This artistic idea is
creative, and further serves to give all the songs their own identity.
Now for the contributions of the band members.
John Petrucci - I applaud Petrucci as he showed restraint. This is the first album since
Falling Into Infinity where he crafted solos that did not blaze at a mile a minute. It
shows a sense of discipline, and the quality of the songs grew due to this. Petrucci also
utilized some low tunings on this record to produce a soundscape that hadn't been
explored previously. With all this said, shred-fanatics need not fret, as Petrucci really
lets things rip on "Panic Attack" and "Octavarium." Petrucci created some catchy riffs
this time around in songs such "The Root of All Evil," "These Walls" and "I Walk Beside
You." Other times, he utilized an acoustic sound in "Octavarium" to create a different
type of atmosphere. All around, a solid effort by Petrucci.
Lyrics Penned: The Answer Lies Within, These Walls, I Walk Beside You, Panic Attack,
Octavarium (Sections I and V)
Mike Portnoy - Of all the members, he showed the least "change." In other words, the
drum work on this record is the typical Mike Portnoy affair. Like Petrucci and Rudess,
he shows restraint where it is proper, such as on "The Answer Lies Within." Portnoy
likes to borrow heavily from his influences, so for example there is some Muse-like
drumming in "Never Enough." The effect of Portnoy on this record is not so much in a
change of drumming as it is in the creativity of the songs. He and Petrucci are the main
songwriting team, and it shows. The overall song-feel is the more modern, post-Kevin
Moore sound that was "perfected" (depending on how you view it) on Scenes From A
Memory. He does some very nice bass kick work in the chorus of "These Walls." I don't
recall any crazy solos however, like at the end of "Finally Free" in Scenes From A
Memory. No big loss though, the drums are not supposed to overpower but to support
the overall rhythms of each specific piece.
Lyrics Penned: The Root Of All Evil, Never Enough, Octavarium (Sections III and IV)
John Myung - It's nice to hear Myung once again. Poor Myung has always been lost in
the mixing process, and could only be appreciated in the live CDs. But, now he has
been given the space to breathe, and his work is phenomenal. He does a nice,
complicated riff at the beginning of "Panic Attack" that sounds effortless and holds a riff
for an entire sub-section of "Octavarium." This man is a monster on the six-string
bass. Impressive work. It's a shame that he doesn't contribute lyrically anymore, but
the band refuses to work around his writing style nowadays, and the man shouldn't
have to compromise.
Lyrics Penned: None
Jordan Rudess - Probably the most controversial member of the current version of
Dream Theater. His keyboard sound effects, continuing with this record, sound nothing
like Kevin Moore's or Derek Sherinian's. But, to be fair, he toned down the bombastic
nature of his sound effects this time around. He sticks to more organic sounds (and
even a sound effect that sounds like a tribute to Ayreon!), and introduces the
wonderful sounding instrument called the continuum in "Octavarium." As far as his
solos, they are still shred-inspired, but they are limited to where they are called for,
such as in the solo section of "Panic Attack" and "Octavarium." I must say though that
his ballad-piano work in "The Answer Lies Within" surprised me, as I didn't think that he
was capable of writing such a melody line. Well done Rudess. His other piano work (as
in piano sound effect) is the standard neo-classical affair that we've come to expect.
But, much like Petrucci, its more restrained and focused on increasing the strength of
the song as opposed to using it to show off. In this record, Rudess got the opportunity
to show his artistic chops in a variety of ways, and it came off as classy. An effective
use of talent by Mr. Rudess.
Lyrics Penned: None
James LaBrie - The other controversial member, as most people either love or hate
him. Let me just say "wow!" I knew that he had been reworking his singing style ever
since the Train of Thought era (essentially, he got a new vocal coach that said his old
coach's techniques were bull[&*!#], so he needed to "start" all over again), and the result
of this is magnificent. His range is starting to once again reach the heights he achieved
in Images and Words, and there is a greater warmth is his tone and expression. I
really can't see how his voice can be perceived as annoying on this recording. He
doesn't sound like he is straining himself anymore. Instead, it is a true joy to listen to
his range and expression. Given the overall soundscapes explored, the music
compliments his timbre well. He uses doubling and tripling of his vocals to achieve
harmonies that simply haven't been heard on a Dream Theater record before (they
have appeared on his side projects, however). James LaBrie's showing is one of the
greatest strengths of this album, and this seems to promise an incredible set of
performances on this upcoming tour to promote Octavarium.
Lyrics Penned: Sacrificed Sons, Octavarium (Section II)
Finally, the song breakdown:
The Root of All Evil (9/10) - The opener of the album, and the continuation of the
Alcoholics Anonymous saga that began with "The Glass Prison" and continued with "This
Dying Soul." I love the intro into the song. It starts off with the final piano note
from "In The Name Of God," Rudess creates an atmosphere with his sound effects
(reminds me of being stuck in a thick liquid) that reminds me of the very end of The
Human Equation by Ayreon, and the rhythm of the final riff in "This Dying Soul" is
pounded out by Portnoy repeatedly until the first main guitar line starts. As it stands,
this song is the least metal of the three entries in the AA saga so far. It's more hard
rock inspired, and that's quite fine. The main riff is catchy (and reminds me of the color
blue for some reason), and yet sounds at home with the previous sonic themes from
the other entries in the saga. Speaking of which, "This Dying Soul" is openly referenced
in this song, and makes for a very cool, haunting effect. No, Dream Theater is not
running out of ideas and needs to reuse their old songs, this piece is a continuation of a
much larger suite, and it is only appropriate that certain lyrical and musical themes are
reprised now and again. It was done in "A Change Of Seasons" and "Six Degrees Of
Inner Turbulence," why not here? Overall, a great rocker and an excellent way to start
the album.
The Answer Lies Within (8/10) - The main ballad of the album, and it is the simplest one
that has been released. This is much along the lines of "Anna Lee" in that it is heavily
piano driven and quite intimate in its emotions. Some beautiful and melodic lines are
played by Rudess, and Petrucci eventually joins him acoustically. The song is moving,
and the lyrical theme presented is uplifting, as opposed to the dark subject matter
of "Anna Lee." LaBrie has song warm moments on this track, especially at the "you're
gonna shine" lyric, which gives me chills. There are no solos, which is appropriate. This
piece is sincere and warm, and a solo would just spoil the mood. Unfortunately,
because this song is slow-moving, one may be inclined to skip it from time to time.
Unlike some of the other material on this record, this is not a piece that fits into
the "listenable in any mood" mold.
These Walls (10/10) - The first of three Dream Theater classics on this album. I've
been listening to this song ever since the radio edit was released, and it never gets
old. The song is an excellent mix of heavy and soaring sounds, and the result is an
uplifting song that has "balls." The chorus is memorable, possibly one of the most
memorable they've ever written (considering the fact that a number of their songs
don't have a discernable chorus). As mentioned before, I also like the bass kick
Portnoy uses during the chorus. Petrucci's solo is one of the most minimal that has
come from him, and it works quite well in the context of this piece. It helps to drive the
piece into its final moments, and doesn't distract the listener. The vocal effect that
LaBrie uses at the end with the lyric, "Tear down these walls for me / It's not too late
for me" is neat, and makes me feel happy inside. Despite the depiction of struggle that
manifests itself over this song, it is clear that in the end things will work out, and
LaBrie's vocals really help to portray it. This is one song I can't wait to see live.
I Walk Beside You (8/10) - The first of two songs that are clearly inspired by a rock
band. This song is quite U2-ish in its construction and in LaBrie's vocals. This is
probably the poppiest thing Dream Theater has released on a studio album (aside
from "You Not Me," but that song was a general failure), but you know what? I like it.
For once I'm not feeling like I need to pay attention to the technicalities of the song.
The song is written in what appears to be D Major, and that gives the song an uplifting
feeling. I remember smiling broadly when I heard the familiar tick tock from Scenes
From A Memory at the beginning, followed by Rudess's staccato keyboard hits and
going into the melodic opening guitar licks from Petrucci. This song reminds me
of "Innocence Faded" in some ways. It's uplifting, not overly complicated, and LaBrie
gives an impassioned performance. This is a feel-good song that I know can make my
day feel better. I take this song for what it is, and why it was written as it was, and
that's that.
Panic Attack (10/10) - This is one of the greatest metal songs by Dream Theater. It
completely blows everything from Train Of Thought out of the water. It has heavy
guitar tones, but the keyboards are not obscured, since Rudess does not try to sound
like a second guitar this time around. The piano bits with the chorus sound effect
remind me of the more memorable parts of Scenes From A Memory. LaBrie gives an
aggressive performance, and even mimics the singer of Muse near the end. The solo
section is awesome, and actually feels like it belongs versus being inserted for the hell
of it. The heavy riffs are given time to develop, and are utilized as a repeating theme
throughout the song. This is THE song I want to see live. This is a serious contender
for my favorite heavy song from Dream Theater.
Never Enough (7/10) - Before I had the lyric booklet and understood what this song
was actually about, I remembered being a little disappointed with this one. This song
sounds a lot like Muse's "Stockholm Syndrome" in the opening guitar riff. LaBrie even
uses the same type of vocal distortion that is found in British pop rock acts such as
Muse and Radiohead. So, out of everything on this album, this sometimes feel a little
bit like a rip-off. However, the second half of the song saves itself, and I love that
echoed-type sound effect Petrucci uses in his solo. Now, since I know that this song is
about Portnoy's encounters with ungrateful fans (and I mean fans who verbally abuse
his work without explanation, who constantly ask him to release things and then bitch
when it's not to their expectations, and who chew the band out for not playing a
certain song at a three-hour concert or say stuff like, "Train Of Thought was a [%*!#]ing
stupid idea"), the whole use of the British art rock style makes a lot more sense.
Radiohead in particular has always been subtle musically when it comes to their anger
towards society, and typically they juxtapose very angry lyrics over beautiful musical
passages. Dream Theater does something similar. The music itself is not all that angry,
particularly the verse parts. It's more haunting, and I feel that the band was taking a
stab at masking angry lyrics with, more or less, standard non-angry art rock music.
Does it succeed? More or less. Now that I know what its about, at least I understand
why it sounds like it does, as opposed to just being a rip-off. It's still my least favorite
song on the album though.
Sacrificed Sons (9/10) - Classic Dream Theater mini-epic right here. Opening with a
middle-eastern twang, the song then builds into a quiet melody line. The vocal lines are
haunting, and the solo section is of the traditional Dream Theater style. The build and
pace of this song reminds me of "Peruvian Skies" in many ways, including the fact that
both songs make me feel the same emotions and "colors." Dealing with sad subject
matter, it ponders it for a while, breaks into a solo, and then turns metal and brings the
song to an energetic close. As far as the lyrics go, they deal with 9/11. Yes, I know
this is going to make some people uncomfortable, and some others angry that they
even tackle this subject at all (either because they should "forget about it" or because
they see it as overtly "pro-American," which I don't see at all). I feel that James
LaBrie, the writer of the lyrics, handled it in the best way he could. It is obviously his
first person account of how he felt about the whole situation, and he is NOT
condemning the middle east. He is condemning the perpetrators for perverting their
scripture and for sacrificing their own sons to achieve their own twisted end.
It's "Sacrificed Sons," not "Evil Terrorists." "In The Name Of God" dealt with fringe cults
in America in a more general sense, this deals with James LaBrie's personal feelings
about the tragedy. He just didn't have the opportunity to do so until now.
Octavarium (10/10) - The closer of the album, and what a way to end things. A word
of advice: just because this song is the same length as "A Change Of Seasons" doesn't
mean you should expect ACOS part two. I did that, and I was sorely disappointed the
first time around. This song sounds nothing like ACOS. So, on my second listen, I
choose to listen to "Octavarium" instead of ACOS part two, and it that made the song
click for me. The orchestra has some beautiful accents to Dream Theater's
composition. Overall, this is probably the most majestic thing Dream Theater has
created (I mean this from a beauty aesthetic). The song is just beautiful to listen to.
Jordan's new device, the continuum, sounds great, and adds an atmosphere to the
song that has never been heard on a Dream Theater album before. This epic is a nod
to progressive rock from the 70s, and develops as such. In other words, this song is
one HUGE crescendo. It just builds and builds as we move from one movement to the
next. The solo section, when it finally kicks in, begins to build a sense of chaos that, up
until this point, had been relatively absent from the song. The end of the build occurs
with James LaBrie SCREAMING "Trapped inside this Octavarium!" over and over, which
gives me the chills, something that I hadn't experienced since 'The Crimson Sunset'
movement in "A Change Of Seasons." As for the scream, some have expressed
distaste towards it for whatever reason. My response is to get open minded. The
song has been building for twenty minutes, reprising themes from the entire album, and
then you say a scream at the climax is "unwarranted?" It's a perfect release of
tension, and from the music's aesthetic, not much else would have fit. Seriously, it's
not a death metal growl (which I happen to like anyway), and its no different than the
screams that were overlaid in "In The Name Of God."
Anyway, back on the song. Lyrically, it deals with a man who, as a child, wanted to live
his life to the fullest, but didn't end up achieving that. He then falls into a catatonic
sleep, and awakes to find out that he lost thirty years of his life. After that point, it
looks like the song breaks from this story a little bit, and gives a laundry list of words
that have a slew of messages in it pertaining to Dream Theater, progressive rock, and
persons and events from the past thirty years or so. So actually, one could interpret
that this is all the stuff that this man has missed, and it is flooding back to him.
Unfortunately, it seems like he fell back into his catatonic state, and (this part is pure
conjecture) Octavarium is the next thing he hears. Each of the previous seven songs
are recapped, and it is revealed that he is trapped inside an octavarium, a series of
eight songs, eight notes available in an octave, and that these notes flow in a perfect
circle. The song closes with the ideas of coming full circle, and ending exactly where we
began, which is exactly how Octavarium closes, with the opening sound effects
from "The Root Of All Evil." Wonderful song, and an awesome way to close the album.
Album Themes - One thing this album has is a lot of hidden messages and "easter eggs"
within the packaging and the music itself. Musically, this is something that hasn't been
done since Awake (I don't count Scenes From A Memory, since that is a concept album
and the style demands it), and it was something I was delighted to see return. It
encourages replaying (especially with headphones, as some things will not be caught
otherwise) and it really drives home the fact that artistically this is an album, not just a
collection of singles. Although the songs stand alone, they are still connected in some
way. I will not delve into some of the more obscure bits and pieces, as some of it is just
mere speculation, but I wish to drive home the artistic merit Dream Theater has created
with this album.
The first thing that I immediately noticed is that bits and pieces of melodies from songs
are played in other songs. You can hear the "medicate me" melody riff in the
background in "The Answer Lies Within." I know that other riffs from "Octavarium"
appear in the other songs. In addition, this album seems to reference Dream Theater's
past albums in some ways. There are footsteps at the beginning of "The Root Of All
Evil," a tick-tock sound in "I Walk Beside You," and a guitar squeal in "Sacrificed Sons"
ala Scenes From A Memory. A couple piano lines in "Octavarium" and "The Answer Lies
Within" give me a serious "Anna Lee" vibe, and I don't think that's an accident. In
movement four of "Octavarium," you can hear Portnoy say faintly in the
background "root," "second," "third," etc. as each two line sentence is recited by
LaBrie, followed by a brief clip of the song that lyric refers to.
The 5:8 connection is found a lot in the artwork. The eight refers to the eight notes to
go a full octave, there are five black piano keys and eight white keys in an octave, this
is the band's eighth album with five members (and eight total members have gone
through the band since they've been in the studio), there are five birds and eight balls
on the cover, with the birds in-between the ball where the black keys on a piano would
be. There is a five point star in an eight-sided building. Finally, there is the circle of
fifths, which is how the eight main letter scales of the western world are formed.
Basically, this kind of stuff is all over the booklet, and is probably encoded in the music
somewhere (I wouldn't be surprised if a melody line follows the circle of fifths
somewhere).
The album deals with coming full circle, and ending where you begin. The album goes
from lyrically upbeat songs to lyrically upset songs, to a song that encompasses it all,
only to have it all recycle again with the next listen. Much like life, we go through these
feelings in stages. We never escape them, and we continue to realize that a lot of life
goes through cycles.
In conclusion, as can be gathered, I was extremely happy with how this album turned
out. It's the most artistically engaging thing they've released since Awake, and it feels
much more personal than the last three albums. I know this album will be meeting a lot
of flak, for a lot of people were probably expecting something completely different. I
got exactly what I wanted. This is the album they said they were making, and what we
have is a diverse, focused, mature effort that drops some pretenses in order to
advance the art of songwriting. Screw the fact that most of this album is not prog.
What does a genre matter anyway? Good songs with artistic integrity can be found in
rock, metal, prog, electronica, etc., and this album is full of them. This is a new
direction for the band, and for me I feel like they finally hit the mark in the Rudess-era.
What will their next album hold? I have absolutely no clue. The previous albums held
small clues as to what the next album would sound like ("The Glass Prison" on SDoIT and
a few moments in "In The Name Of God" and "Vacant" on TOT), but I can't pick out any
of those clues this time around, perhaps because of the great diversity this album
holds. Whatever it is, you can sure as hell bet that it will sound like nothing that came
before it.
Great effort Dream Theater, I look forward to hearing this stuff live.
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:20
^This review set a benchmark for fanboyism and review length, if you really wanted to achieve what it is you wanted, you should have written nearly 5500 words.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:20
That's probably the longest review here, at least in the top-3.
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:22
What about folly's Tago Mago?
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:22
And ZowieZiggy has some whoppers...
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:23
Word count them, I don't think they even match that one.
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:24
Alright hold on...
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:24
OH MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF WORDS!
I like that you acknowledged not having referred to the music contained on the disc before your seventh paragraph. or should I say chapter? ;)
why did you invite me in particular, because I write such short reviews?
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:30
Alright guys ready for this?
ZowieZiggy's longest were all only around 2100-2300...but folly's Tago Mago was 5200+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:34
i love folly's Tago Mago review, even if i dont like the album, its superbly done
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:35
laplace wrote:
OH MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF WORDS!
I like that you acknowledged not having referred to the music contained on the disc before your seventh paragraph. or should I say chapter? ;)
why did you invite me in particular, because I write such short reviews?
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No but because you love The Dream so much
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:35
Zappa88 wrote:
Alright guys ready for this?
ZowieZiggy's longest were all only around 2100-2300...but folly's Tago Mago was 5200+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
folly's Tago Mago is now officially the longest review here!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:36
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
^This review set a benchmark for fanboyism and review length, if you really wanted to achieve what it is you wanted, you should have written nearly 5500 words. |
Hell....Now how would I do it, if this one was my favorite album?
I doubt I will be able to top those reviews you mentioned unless I review it again. So let's erase it! ... (just kidding, I wasn't really trying anything).
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:38
i have the longest review for one song though
or so i think...
2000 words on Black Rose Immortal
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:43
Man!
I will try such a review of one of those Napalm Death albums that have like 50 songs!!! It would be.... 100000 words?
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 19:43
My longest review is my review for Sieges Even's Steps album, at 416 words. I think that's a perfect review lenght though, I rarely read those over that unless im really interested in the album.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 03:00
Thats a nice review The T. Very well written.
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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 03:09
i'll make sure i read it sometimes when i have the mood to read something long...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 06:35
Bj-1 wrote:
3387 words...
I just can't get through all that, it's too long. |
and that stopped me from even looking at it hahhaha. If it takes that long to explain why an album is good... you are fudging it...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 06:40
OpethGuitarist wrote:
i love folly's Tago Mago review, even if i dont like the album, its superbly done
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same here... it was overly long and had to take a cigarette break in the process of reading it. It was well written and actually made me want to listen to it again...
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 15:19
Your SFAM review made me decide to pull out the album and listen to it
for the second time ever since I bought it (several months ago...).
Great review indeed, even if mine tend to be much shorter (or better,
tendED... I seem to have run out of ideas when it comes to reviewing
albums, though I have list as long as both my arms). However, I'm
sorry to say I don't find the album equally great. I might even try my
hand at reviewing it, but to be perfectly honest bashing albums I can't
get into is not my way.
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 15:31
I enjoy SFAM more than any other album of theirs and almost start to finish (a rarity), save the woeful Great Gig In The Sky rip-off before 'Through Her Eyes'. Makes me cringe every time. Good, detailed and impassioned review though- I must admit my cup never runneth over THIS much when it comes to review lengths, but I SOMETIMES make an exception for Genesis...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 15:44
*has Caravan ready for when this..... hhahahha... masterpiece of prog is over*
since I have been subjected to 77 minutes of this *......* .... I might as well review it... micky style...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:25
now this is how you review an album... fairly and objectively...
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:35
micky wrote:
now this is how you review an album... fairly and objectively...
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496
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Micky I'm sorry but that is hilarious, especially the end bit...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:36
micky wrote:
now this is how you review an album... fairly and objectively...
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496
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If you don't like the album, of course.
But a little bit weird to give the album 5 stars and then give it just one....I understood what you tried... can't say I agree, though.
My only question: why people that don't like DT always have to sound a little bit arrogant or even insulting in their reviews? It's like they said "oh, you herd of morons, I'm not like you".... When people dislike other albums, they write without insulting, they can even bash the album but nothing else, but when it comes to bash DT, there seems to be a special need to also bash DT fans....
Very fair and objective indeed, anyway.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:42
The T wrote:
micky wrote:
now this is how you review an album... fairly and objectively...
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496
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If you don't like the album, of course.
But a little bit weird to give the album 5 stars and then give it just one....I understood what you tried... can't say I agree, though.
My only question: why people that don't like DT always have to sound a little bit arrogant or even insulting in their reviews? It's like they said "oh, you herd of morons, I'm not like you".... When people dislike other albums, they write without insulting, they can even bash the album but nothing else, but when it comes to bash DT, there seems to be a special need to also bash DT fans....
Very fair and objective indeed, anyway. |
it's the way I review albums... .two ratings. One for the site. You need to listen to the album if you consider yourself a fan a prog.. thus essential. The other rating is my personal take on it.. for those who care.
I don't think I said a thing about DT fans ...in fact.. I validated people like you that ..funny as it was to read at the time.. put it with the truly great prog albums. In it's funny way.... it is... to me it was shear painful to listen to. I don't see what you all get out of it to be honest. But it's all a question of taste. I just expressed mine.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:43
micky wrote:
The T wrote:
micky wrote:
now this is how you review an album... fairly and objectively...
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=117496
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If you don't like the album, of course.
But a little bit weird to give the album 5 stars and then give it just one....I understood what you tried... can't say I agree, though.
My only question: why people that don't like DT always have to sound a little bit arrogant or even insulting in their reviews? It's like they said "oh, you herd of morons, I'm not like you".... When people dislike other albums, they write without insulting, they can even bash the album but nothing else, but when it comes to bash DT, there seems to be a special need to also bash DT fans....
Very fair and objective indeed, anyway. |
it's the way I review albums... .two ratings. One for the site. You need to listen to the album if you consider yourself a fan a prog.. thus essential. The other rating is my personal take on it.. for those who care.
I don't think I said a thing about DT fans ...in fact.. I validated people like you that ..funny as it was to read at the time.. put it with the truly great prog albums. In it's funny way.... it is... to me it was shear painful to listen to. I don't see what you all get out of it to be honest. But it's all a question of taste. I just expressed mine.
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no problem at all... just the "acne-scarred masses" bit kind of confuses me...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:45
an inside joke.... you had to be here last year....
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:46
The T wrote:
no problem at all... just the "acne-scarred masses" bit kind of confuses me... |
That usually refers to teenagers (who are battling with raging hormones) so they get acne, thus the acne scarred masses. I've never seen someone older than 19 with acne.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:50
I might edit it that DT review tomorrow and make a reference to another 5 star I did... TFTO...
the similarities are scary .... for many of the same reasons I gave that album 5 stars.. I gave the DT 5 stars.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:56
You perplex me, Micky. I don't think SFAM is DT's best album--in fact, I think it's a bit too smooth around the edges compared to something more interesting like Awake--but I think it's really, really odd that you don't like any of the music from the album. None of it. None at all. I think in your bias of Dream Theater you may have formatted you brain to be unresponsive to anything that you might enjoy by a band name "Dream Theater." It's not that I think you aren't capable of disliking them, which you surely do, but it seems to me that you would be horrified at the thought of even liking a bit of their music.
By the way, Zarathustra is rather mediocre and nowhere near as good as Close to the Edge.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 16:57
progismylife wrote:
The T wrote:
no problem at all... just the "acne-scarred masses" bit kind of confuses me... |
That usually refers to teenagers (who are battling with raging hormones) so they get acne, thus the acne scarred masses. I've never seen someone older than 19 with acne.
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Ok, no problem.
I'll talk about the "white haired masses" that hear Yes....
(by the way, I love classic prog, and I have not acne, not that "scarry" at least )
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 17:02
stonebeard wrote:
You perplex me, Micky. I don't think SFAM is DT's best album--in fact, I think it's a bit too smooth around the edges compared to something more interesting like Awake--but I think it's really, really odd that you don't like any of the music from the album. None of it. None at all. I think in your bias of Dream Theater you may have formatted you brain to be unresponsive to anything that you might enjoy by a band name "Dream Theater." It's not that I think you aren't capable of disliking them, which you surely do, but it seems to me that you would be horrified at the thought of even liking a bit of their music.
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hey Stonie.... it comes comes down to a bigger problem.. and it isn't only DT. I don't like music that is overproduced, sterile, and emphasizes musicianship...over music. DT is just the poster boy for that...but it is far from a bias alone of DT. They are have just been more fun to kick around...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 17:06
or to actually take a part of my review which sums it up EXACTLY....
This album for me highlights for me what Dream Theater is about. 5 musicians who all
do their own thing, and though they are all respected in their specific fields, they
fail at coming together to make a solid band
great for people who get off on skills alone... but I was a music fan well before I started playing or getting into prog. If the music is good... all is forgiven... if the music is bad... nothing is forgiven.
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 21:15
stop stealing my lines micky
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 05:24
OpethGuitarist wrote:
stop stealing my lines micky
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sorry... it just summed up exactly what I felt...
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Posted By: Picklebury
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 14:07
Folly's TM review is up to 6800 words...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 15:30
Picklebury wrote:
Folly's TM review is up to 6800 words... |
Now how will I top that??? If i already reviewed my favorite album and also one of my least favorites (usually the extremes make you write loooong reviews )....
Oh... Just wait till the release of Systematic Chaos...
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Posted By: Picklebury
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 16:37
^^^
But Folly's still revising and updating his review... so it will keep getting longer, I expect...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 17:12
Picklebury wrote:
^^^
But Folly's still revising and updating his review... so it will keep getting longer, I expect... |
Oh! If I had the chance to revise and update and enhance my review, I would surely do it and reach a better word-count mark! .... But I can't... .... That's a privilege only reserved to the lucky ones annointed by the Lucky-est one....
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Posted By: Picklebury
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 17:12
^^^
No one loves you, The T...
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 07:40
My longest review is barely over 2000 words ... and it's unnecessarily excessive. I'm planning to make most of my future reviews as compact 200-500 word reviews
How can anyone read 6800 words??? That's the amount I write in a writing course in University!!!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 14:35
Picklebury wrote:
^^^
No one loves you, The T... |
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