what is your hi-fi? (pics prefered)
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Topic: what is your hi-fi? (pics prefered)
Posted By: NilsTentacles
Subject: what is your hi-fi? (pics prefered)
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 14:50
I just got a digital camera recently, so it has influenced me to start a thread of nice pics of my hi-fi. please post yours too, there's nothing better than a sexy turntable.
edit: I've taken better pics on some gear. I refer to this page instead http://web.telia.com/~u38009703/music/hi-fi.htm
I'm very happy with the sound, but still I get jelous of ppl with more expensive hi-fi. the grass is greener on the other side eh??
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 15:26
I've got serious doubts about the tuner (You should try a real vintage Mac?), but that's good to see good budget musical devices.
You should go for the P3 BTW, with its original cartridge, no DL103 please.
And yes a good tube amp (budget ones: Prima luna, Jolida, Cayin, Antique sound lab, Melody) is another dimension.
Bravo for the headphones, i've also got the 600 and the 650 drived by a Sugden le Bijou Class A through a Stefanaudio headphone's cable.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 15:30
...and here are my system's pics:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35105 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35105
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Posted By: NilsTentacles
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 03:33
oliverstoned wrote:
I've got serious doubts about the tuner (You should try a real vintage Mac?), but that's good to see good budget musical devices. You should go for the P3 BTW, with its original cartridge, no DL103 please.
And yes a good tube amp (budget ones: Prima luna, Jolida, Cayin, Antique sound lab, Melody) is another dimension.
Bravo for the headphones, i've also got the 600 and the 650 drived by a Sugden le Bijou Class A through a Stefanaudio headphone's cable.
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I knew it would come sooner or later........"good budget musical devices" hahaha....
the head phones are the only thing I am replacing. waiting for a pair of Beyerdynamic DT880 to arrive soon. looks like we have different priorites with our stereo, but that's ok!
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 05:55
Budget is not a pejorative word, on the contrary.
I've got budget components as well.
humm...not sure the Beyer will do better, be aware.
To do really better, turn on a Stax Setup or a better headphone's amp. You already own a good Cd, a good amp, good loudspeakers and headphones. That's a very good start. My advices: turn to a good tube amp, invest in cables and general optimization (power, vib's) and change for a P3.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 10:19
No pics yet, as I'm without digital camera at the moment, but been upograding my hi-fi recently. Currently listening to CDs through a Roksan Kandy MkIII, Vinyl through a Linn LP12, standard Basik arm, Sumiko Bluepoint Special cartridge into a Musical Fidelity XLPS, i-pod through a surprisingly good Onkyo dock (for convenience and background listening this combination of i-pod and £65 dock is hard to beat) all of this is fed through Merlin Chopin cables to Myryad MP100 Preamp and Myryad MA250 power amp. Just need to upgrade the speakers - currently looking at Vienna Acoustics Mozarts with a REL R205 sub or Monitor Audio GS20s or Roksan's lovely FR5s though at 2k sterling they're a bit pricey. So far they're my faves though for £899 sterling Dali's Ikon 6s are stunningly good - I just don't like the way they look. Any thoughts? Also on a related topic - been looking at Chinese valve stages on Ebay (as a buffer between CD player and preamp). They're incredibly cheap for some little known brands. Worth the risk?
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 11:29
No, better choose a serious amp handcrafted in China such as a Jolida, Prima Luna, Cayin...
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Posted By: NilsTentacles
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 11:57
arcer wrote:
No pics yet, as I'm without digital camera at the moment, but been upograding my hi-fi recently. Currently listening to CDs through a Roksan Kandy MkIII |
I so want to hear that cd-player, can you say something about the sound and build quality? I had it on my alternative list when I bought a new cd-player, but I ended up getting Rega Planet 2000 instead.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 08:42
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 11:10
Here is my idea of a "Hi Fi" system.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 11:23
CD - Arcam CD72:
Amp Nad:
Speakers B&W:
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 11:28
Very nice system Tony! Add QED cables (english as well).
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 11:30
oliverstoned wrote:
Very nice system Tony! Add QED cables (english as well). |
I think I have Chord Ecosse cables, I cant be bothered to check at the moment, I was given them by a friend.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 11:31
Chord's not bad in the budget field. So i suppose you're happy with your sound?
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 11:39
Mine's a Technics... thingumy watchamacallit...
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 12:38
oliverstoned wrote:
Chord's not bad in the budget field. So i suppose you're happy with your sound? |
I think that's what's known as "damning with faint praise"
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 13:41
fandango wrote:
Mine's a Technics... thingumy watchamacallit... |
Vade retro satanas!
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 13:43
Jim Garten wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Chord's not bad in the budget field. So i suppose you're happy with your sound? |
I think that's what's known as "damning with faint praise" |
No it was sincere!
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 13:57
oliverstoned wrote:
Chord's not bad in the budget field. So i suppose you're happy with your sound? |
Very budget( ), he paid about £120 for them, I gave him a Sony Tape deck in exchange..
Chord Ecosse Divas...
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 13:59
That's well!
For comparison, my last power cable (Wireworld Silver Electra III+) costs 1200€ for one 2 meter cable.
But i bought it 300€ on second hand and cut it in pieces to make three cables of 60 cm each.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 14:05
oliverstoned wrote:
That's well!
For comparison, my last power cable (Wireworld Silver Electra III+) costs 1200€ for one 2 meter cable.
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£800 for a power cable
Stultus est sicut stultus facit...
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 16:10
Yes, £800 new, but it's american so it's about 40% more expensive in France. Needless to say that it completely changes the sound, as important as changing elements...
The best power cable, Nordost "valhalla" costed until 2000£ in France...extreme performance, extreme neutrality, extreme musicality...for extreme systems with i.e two tube mono blocks in the highs and two solid-state mono blocks in the low, drive/converter CD set-up and of course a preamp, that makes a lot of cables, plus filters etc...
For a result better than any studio! (even if the best studios use these kind of power cables, they don't have the same electronics!)
Nordost Valhalla
Close view
http://www.nordost.com/Why%20Nordost/science-not-voodoo.htm - http://www.nordost.com/Why%20Nordost/science-not-voodoo.htm
"All Nordost cables share a common design theme.
That design is solid core conductors. Depending on the application, either flat rectangular solid oxygen free copper conductors, or fine micro-litz round conductors, strand interaction is eliminated. This significantly reduces the well documented audible distortions caused by skin effect and magnetic field interactions. This is done by using an extremely precise extrusion of FEP and a very precise conductor spacing which keeps capacitance and inductance extremely low. In addition, the use of our proprietary Micro Mono-Filament technology increases signal bandwidth in our video cable and reference cable range. This in turn results in cables which typically transmit signals at over 90% the speed of light. This is 20 to 25% faster than conventional cables resulting in a tremendous improvement in musical accuracy and clarity.
Sound and Emotion
Nordost Flatline Cables' technical specifications and speed are very impressive, but what really matters is how they sound. Each speaker cable and interconnect in the Nordost range is designed to let the music and emotion shine through. If you want to really hear your system for the first time, the addition of Nordost into your system will do that for you. Unlike our competitors, whose product offerings are not sonically consistent from model to model, there is a discernable difference and enhanced level of performance as one progresses through our line. Clarity, detail, and emotional involvement are taken to new levels with each improved model. Music is about enjoyment, pleasure, and emotion."
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 05:38
NIce pic Oliver - presonally I find most Nordost stuff to sound a little artificial, especially with reverbs and cymbal splashes and decay. A little too forward for me and too accentuated towards the fizzy side of those trebles. But each to his own. Personally I like a slightly more relaxed, open sound which I get with my £90 Merlins Chopins. Probably not as 'accurate' but I sort of like the tone.
With regard to the Roksan - to be honest I haven't had a chance to get used to it yet. It's certainly a lot more detailed than my old Marantz CD63SE (an dinosaur at this stage) but it doesn't have the lush warmth of the Marantz. Is that cd player colour? Marantz over-emphasising timing and push over accuracy? Ultimately who knows, I just knew that the Marantz was very long in the tooth and technology has improved so I bought the Kandy. I like it's dynamism but feel it's a little bright and shiny. In the price bracket though £650 it's a must listen. I found it hard to get anything sounding better. I'm putting it through some reasonably expensive amps so maybe they're exposing a few frailties, I dunno. Just trying to balance it all out at the moment - hence the need for new speakers to take the sharpness out somewhere.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 07:39
Nordost is the best in the high-end but maybe not in the entry level product. I just know that the Nordost Valhalla beats the big Shunyata and is less demonstrative and more natural; which model did you tried?
Yes, Marantz is coloured, warmth but musical. Yes, Roksan is thin, a Rotel or a Nad would work better in the same price range IMO.
BTW, i gave a listening session to a brother's friend yesterday, he has been very impressed by my system, i played him "Parallel world" by Far east family band, he was so upset that he could just say "it's so limpid..."...
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 15:18
You could be right about Nordost's entry-level stuff. Even saying that though, I've heard some of their hi-end stuff and it's just, personally, not to my taste, I find the treble too projected and too glassy. I think their whole approach to sonics is just not for me. Just my ears I guess. Just one example of their stuff (not hi-end), I've listened to their flatline gold cable and A/B'd it on a Naim/Rotel/B&W based system and instantly preferred the sound via Naim's own cable, which is pretty cheap. Just sounded more musical and focused to me. Also, I've never been a believer in increases in performance as a function of increase in price. Just because something costs a grand a metre doesn't make it necessarily better than something that costs 100. For me it's down to system matching and your own ears. And you may be right, so far my ears are not wholly convinced by the Roksan - I almost feel a trade coming on. I went for it because I couldn't stretch to the Primare I want but I think I should've gone the extra mile.... Ah well, give it time to settle down, see what happens....
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 03:36
The top cable may also reveal the system's problems. That's why one shouldn't put a too good cable on an average-working system.
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Posted By: NilsTentacles
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 05:38
oliverstoned wrote:
The top cable may also reveal the system's problems. That's why one shouldn't put a too good cable on an average-working system. |
ahem... is it not more likely that Nordost is introducing a problem alread y existing in Arcers system... therefor exposing it even more? like, if he has a bright system, he adds a bright cable like Nordost and it makes it sound bad.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 05:45
No, Nordost is neutral and reveals even more how bright and thin his system is.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 06:03
Seems to be wandering into another audiophile discussion.
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 06:04
Prima Luna - Prologue two
Castle - Durham 3
Cambridge Audio - Azur 640c
Hoping to upgrade to the Naim CD5, unfortunately don't have a job at the moment so it might be sometime. I prefer it over the Rega 'planet' and Creek 'CD53' I tested.
Cayin - HA-1A headphone amp
HD600's
Rega p3
Also Oliver, my Blue Heaven's are on there way. Have ordered them in, just waiting for their arrival.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 06:14
I'm too embaressed to show mine!
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Posted By: N Ellingworth
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 06:18
I don't think my Hi Fi would be popular, a Pure mini system with a £50 Bush turntable.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 07:24
Most people wouldn't even call mine a hi-fi system, but it sounds good enough for me.
Philips FW-C399 stereo system:
Goldring GR 1.2 turntable:
with NAD PP2 phono preamp:
+ Sennheiser HD 435 headphones:
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 08:14
NilsTentacles wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
The top cable may also reveal the system's problems. That's why one shouldn't put a too good cable on an average-working system. |
ahem... is it not more likely that Nordost is introducing a problem alread y existing in Arcers system... therefor exposing it even more? like, if he has a bright system, he adds a bright cable like Nordost and it makes it sound bad. |
Ummm, it's not my system that unnaturally bright!
My own system is, I think, quite warm sounding, especially with my LP12 through a Musical Fidelity XLPS and into Myryad pre and powers and with the bass heavy transmission line speakers I have. That's pretty warm if you ask me. If anything I need to lean it out a little via new speakers (which will definitely cause me to ditch the Roksan).
All I'm saying is that I, personally, find Nordost cables (certainly, as Ollie says, the low to mid price of their range) to be too bright. I don't think they are neutral at all. I think they overemphasise reverbs and top end and sound brittle and glassy. And that's not with low end system (where they might, as you correctly say) bring out existing system deficiencies. I've heard Nordost stuff on low to high end systems (Krells with B&W 800 series) and I hated the sound of them. Truly headache inducing.
I do think that there is a point where so-called "transparency" becomes a warped quest to drag out every last detail, with the result that nothing sounds musical anymore. I have an acquaintance whose (very) high end system (Clearaudio reference, 800 series blah blah blah) just makes my head hurt, especially when all he wants to do is play demonstration discs of noise to show it's response levels. This isn't about music, it's about what I like to call "upgrade-itis".
Some of the most musical and compelling systems I've heard come in at solid midrange level. Some of the worst I've heard are in the high end.
For me hi-fi is about pleasing your ears, with whatever criteria you use. Maybe you like the pain of razor-sharp cymbals being squeezed out of tweeters made of razor blades. Me, I simply like my music to involve me, to feel emotional and enveloping. Nordost, in this regard, just doesn't do it for me - I find them cold, emotionless and harsh.
Having said all that about price not being an issue - I do think it is pretty impossible to get good reproduction from fundamentally basic equipment. There is a threshold you need to hit before you reach that stage of musicality and emotional involvement (less so with rock music but certainly with acoustic or small ensemble music like jazz). For me that threshold seems to exist somewhere between the £1000-£2000 per component mark.
The whole system (amp, cd, speakers, turntable, phono stage, cabling) will clock in at around £7,000 to £8000 (around euro11000-12,000). Beyond that I honestly believe that you've hit the buffers of the law of diminishing returns. The improvements (if they exist at all) are so miniscule and so inconsequential to the overall experience that the cost is unjustifiable. To me it is simply an extreme case of "upgrade-itis" thereafter.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 08:26
Black Velvet wrote:
Prima Luna - Prologue two
Castle - Durham 3
Cambridge Audio - Azur 640c
Hoping to upgrade to the Naim CD5, unfortunately don't have a job at the moment so it might be sometime. I prefer it over the Rega 'planet' and Creek 'CD53' I tested.
Cayin - HA-1A headphone amp
HD600's
Rega p3
Also Oliver, my Blue Heaven's are on there way. Have ordered them in, just waiting for their arrival.
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Here's a good sytem, that's really good to look at.
Except the Cambridge, but Velvet done the good choice with the Cd5. Congratulations with the Nordost!
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 09:14
Here you go, my system!
Myrad Mp100 and MA240 Pre and Power amps
Roksan Kandy MKIII CD player
Linn Sondek LP12 Turntable
Musical Fidelity X-LPS Phono Stage
Onkyo DSA2 i-Pod Dock
(very old) TDL RTL3 Speakers
Merlin Chopin Interconnects
QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 09:20
Now sit back and wait for Oliver to trash your system......and of course you've committed the cardinal sin of posting a pic of the devil's own Pod.....
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 09:24
I'm expecting him to go into meltdown (especially over the hateful dock!)
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 11:01
It must be thin indeed...the Ipod is not so bad, actually better than a nasty toy-discman.
Tony and Velvet have musical systems. I don't like your Cd and your amp, but you have a great turntable.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 11:14
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 23:21
Id post pics of mine , Im not embaressed to have regular audio equipment. I can't though because my ISP tech doesn't understand the complications of personal web storage. Since its pics prefrerred and not pic mandatory...
AMp: technics SA GX700 Amp: Fisher RS88 1A turntable: technics SL BD22 turntable: magnovox MX Quad adapter: Olsen quad adapter Tape deck: JVC TD W505 cd changer: RCA CD 9500 Computer interface: Echo Darla-24 Speakers: realistic nova-15 Speakers: sony SS MB35OH Speakers: American Acoustic Labs Apollo 3600 Speakers: Fisher 200 watters
Ive stopped using the Sony and Fisher speakers. They are way to bassy.I actually still love those realistic speakers but one of them has blown the factory tweeter and I relplaced it with a stand alone horn type tweeter that sounds great but the other speaker is the original tweeter and that screws up stereo imaging.
Neither turntable is up to snuff. the technics has developed a slow spot in the rotation ( I can't hear it but I know its there because of the strobe) the Magnovox has awesome crispy bass compared to the technics but the platter adaptor for lp's doesnt sit right in the platter and makes the records off center.
The amps... sigh. my technics has become irratable and sometimes half the buttons cease to work. unfortunatly the half that are flakey include the input selectors. Amplification and equalization work great. I decided to leave it on phono for fear that it might get stuck permanatly on <gasp> tuner... I bought the fisher amp at good will so I could still listen to cd's and tapes.
Tape player is great no complaints.
CD changer is also just fine although Ive only loaded in about 6 or 7 cd's. In my lifestyle cd's are for the highway.
My echo darla would vomit if it heard your nasty creative crap soundcard ( hey, I have to be proud of SOMETHING here....)
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 03:52
Here's what you need first:
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 03:52
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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Not very musical.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 09:10
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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That's not the worst crap however. You have quite good speaker's cables also.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 09:12
Black Velvet wrote:
Hoping to upgrade to the Naim CD5, unfortunately don't have a job at the moment so it might be sometime. I prefer it over the Rega 'planet' and Creek 'CD53' I tested.
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The Naim is more dynamic and punchy i guess?
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 10:46
arcer wrote:
The whole system (amp, cd, speakers, turntable, phono stage, cabling) will clock in at around £7,000 to £8000 (around euro11000-12,000). Beyond that I honestly believe that you've hit the buffers of the law of diminishing returns. The improvements (if they exist at all) are so miniscule and so inconsequential to the overall experience that the cost is unjustifiable. To me it is simply an extreme case of "upgrade-itis" thereafter. |
I've got a 10 000/12 000 € system which work great, but exploded by a good 20 000€ one, itself exploded by a good 30 0000€ one, there's no limit, you can go until several billions of Euros!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 10:59
Flyingsod wrote:
The amps... sigh. my technics has become irratable and sometimes half the buttons cease to work. unfortunatly the half that are flakey include the input selectors. Amplification and equalization work great. I decided to leave it on phono for fear that it might get stuck permanatly on <gasp> tuner... I bought the fisher amp at good will so I could still listen to cd's and tapes.
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Try investing in some switch cleaner and spray those knobs. You may be suprised by the rresults.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 13:18
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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Not very musical. |
I don't understand - I find them very musical. Have you heard these amplifiers? I think not.
Here's an extract from a review. As you'll note the emphasis is far away from "thin" and "not musical".
I think you must be thinking of some other amplifiers.
As I’ve written about in other reviews, my reference
amplifiers use vacuum tubes. Further,
most of my amps are low-powered, single-ended, triode output designs ranging
from about 3.5 wpc to 13 wpc. My
electric shaver has more power than that. Low
powered triodes are an acquired
taste. With appropriate speakers,
however, I am regularly treated to full-range reproduction and musical beauty
that is absolutely magical.
So, being a patron of the low-powered, tube audio arts, what
can I possibly be doing reviewing Myryad’s solid state MA240, a 120 wpc
powerhouse? Trust me, I approach
every equipment review with an open mind and try to avoid preconceived notions
about stereotypical solid state sound, whatever that may be.
The Myryad MA240 lived up to its end of the bargain by being neutral
and natural . . . and oh, the dynamics!
There was an
effortlessness to the dynamic swings that caught me by surprise, in a good
way. The dynamic impact was
closer to what I experienced while listening to live music. No, my system doesn’t sound “live”, but hearing the
swings from soft to loud, especially with orchestral music, helped get me
closer at times.
The MA240 exhibited a smoothness and openness in the top end
that I associate only with very good equipment, regardless of whether its
output is tube or solid state. The
upper frequencies were not harsh or brittle.
“Touch of Trash” from Patricia Barber’s Modern Cool album (Premonition 741) showed that the MA240 could
bring the cymbal crashes and percussive strikes to life, but they never got on
my nerves or became splashy. The
highest-highs, which may be sounds such as a gentle brush stroke on a smaller
cymbal, or a tap on a triangle, were not quite as extended or present as I
prefer, but there isn’t much musical action in that range on the majority of
commercial recordings. These
upper-register sounds also had somewhat less natural reverberant decay than I
hear through my triode tube amps.
As I listened through the MA240, I was struck how music seemed
to move along with urgency, presented with a buoyant, vivid feel to it.
This is a quick amplifier. Certainly,
the excellent power supply comes into play here.
The amp does a great job letting go of one note and moving on to the
next. Listening to Dean Peer’s Ucross
album (Restless 9101), which is a torture test for bass definition, I noticed
that the low
register was well-defined, even in the lowest of low regions.
I detected some slight blurring of the pitches from note to note when
listening at meager volume settings. As
the volume was increased, things improved.
This was perhaps an issue of the speaker/amplifer interface not being
ideal at very low volumes.
If my aural memory serves me correctly, the Myryad MA240 is
sonically similar to the Manley Labs Stingray integrated amp that I reviewed
in the fall of 1999. Each of
these amps exhibits realistic clarity through the midrange and the ability to
lay out a soundstage that’s on par with any amp I’ve had in my system.
Tonally, the MA240’s balance is more light than dark.
It’s airy and well lit from about 3 kHz on up.
The MA240 displays no harshness or forwardness in the upper mids
through the treble, but that portion of the sonic spectrum is what I noticed
first in many listening sessions. It
also happens to be where the human ear is very sensitive.
In this respect, I slightly prefer the tonal balance of my Wright WPA
3.5 amps, for example, which are wonderfully even from top to bottom.
Other amps also have a better sense of perceived depth and organic
wholeness to vocalists and solo instruments, whereas the MA240 gives the
impression of a flatter front-to-back sonic plane. Minor quibbles, for sure, but worth mentioning, and of
course, these are the opinions of a tubeophile.
In listening to the MP100, I said it earlier, and I’ll
repeat it now, it proved a perfect match to the MA240.
I found its tonal balance to be quite even, but if I had to place it on
the spectrum it would be more dark than light, matching wonderfully with the
MA240 in that regard.
Please don’t misinterpret my description of the MP100 and
assume that it’s colored, because it really isn’t. Tonally, the MP100 is robust and lively in the best sense
of the term, with good extension at the extremes, but during listening tests,
my ear was directed toward the lower-mids and mid-bass as the areas that
impressed the most, rather than the upper-mids and treble.
Remember, I’m comparing the MP100 mostly to the Monolithic
Sound PA-1, which is a passive preamp design. The
PA-1, and virtually any passive preamp, will do less to alter a signal than
most active designs. Once your
ear is accustomed to the lack of a sonic signature from a passive preamp, it
becomes much easier to hear any character imposed by an active preamp.
The trick is to find components that work well together, and that’s
why I constantly refer back to the admirable teamwork of the MA240 and MP100.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 13:28
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
The whole system (amp, cd, speakers, turntable, phono stage, cabling) will clock in at around £7,000 to £8000 (around euro11000-12,000). Beyond that I honestly believe that you've hit the buffers of the law of diminishing returns. The improvements (if they exist at all) are so miniscule and so inconsequential to the overall experience that the cost is unjustifiable. To me it is simply an extreme case of "upgrade-itis" thereafter. |
I've got a 10 000/12 000 € system which work great, but exploded by a good 20 000€ one, itself exploded by a good 30 0000€ one, there's no limit, you can go until several billions of Euros!
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I have to say I think it's nonsense. I have listened to a number of very high end - up to 100,000 euros - and while, yes, there is an improvement over a 10,000 euro system I have to say that there is not 90,000 euro of value in the improvement. The benefits are miniscule, the impact on bank balance enormous. It simply isn't worth it and anyone who feels they can justify spending 60,000 on a pair of speakers is either very, very, very rich or very, very stupid or quite possibly both.
Just think about this: how many hours per week does the average person (and by average I mean a person such as those who reside here at PA) have available to them to actually sit down and give music their full concentration. Is it 100,000 euros worth of hours? I hardly think so.
I stand by my theory: 10-12000 euros is the maximum any sane person needs to spend to achieve sublime sound in a home environment.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 13:29
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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That's not the worst crap however. You have quite good speaker's cables also. |
I'm honoured!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 13:37
What I think needs to be said at this stage is that system matching is ALL. A component that sounds harsh, strident, or perhaps reticent in one system will sound utterly different in another. Once biting and harsh can become mellowed and smooth.
One cannot, under any circumstances, state that any particular piece of kit (and I'm not talking bargain stuff by the way) has a particular trait and that's how it will sound whatever the other components in the system. It is unlikely that any reviewer, other than those who review for a living (ie for magazine or website) has heard a particular component in many, disparate systems and has heard the box in all it's guises.
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Posted By: NilsTentacles
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 16:12
arcer, you should be! in oliverstone standards you probably has the best system, after him of course :-D
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 17:57
NilsTentacles wrote:
arcer, you should be! in oliverstone standards you probably has the best system, after him of course :-D |
I don't think I do have a great system - by any stretch of the imagination. It's not bad but needs lifting in certain areas. I do think Oliver is slighlty in thrall to the "mysteries" of the high end - it's easy to get sucked in by manufacturers' empty claims and magazine hype - it's their business to make people believe that paying 1000 euros for a half-metre length of wire is going to change their world. Some of the mags blindly reinforce the notion and the whole thing spirals out of all control. The manufacturing processes could never justify some of the price tags. I do think the pursuit of esoteric solutions is a form of "audio-intellectual" snobbery. Unless you embrace the pseudo-science you are not a true audiophile. In fact, I even hate the term audiophile - it's so... perverse. Makes the pursuit of decent home entertainment sound bizarrely fetishistic. And remember, we're talking about entertainment here - it isn't a game of mine's bigger than yours or adopting some kind of high (end) ground, it's about putting on a piece of vinyl or slotting in a CD and being entertained by the music - not the machinery. I know where the weaknesses lie in my set-up, speakers and possibly a misguided CD source choice but I also know that I don't need to spend 800 euros on a wire to bring current from the wall to my amplifier - that's just smoke and mirrors. I'd rather sell my CD player, get five hundred euros for it, add that to the 800 euros you'd pay for the wire and upgrade my CD player - the benefit from that will outweigh any 'conditioning' a power cable could bring. I'll even go so far as to commit the ultimate high-end heresy. The idea of placing bricks on my speakers, squash balls under my components, is, to me, ridiculous. Hi-fi should follow form as well as function. I refuse to pay 5000 euros for something that has to be improved by placing building suplies on it. It should look beautiful and perform beautifully too. That's why in looking for speakers I will only go for something that looks pretty in my living room. I have nice, carefully chosen furniture, why shoudl the hi-fi ruin that. I don't want to see it, be assaulted visually by it or create towers of boxes and labyrinths of cable. It's hideous. I can hear the spluttering of the high-end merchants from here....
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: April 18 2007 at 18:34
oliverstoned wrote:
Black Velvet wrote:
Hoping to upgrade to the Naim CD5, unfortunately don't have a job at the moment so it might be sometime. I prefer it over the Rega 'planet' and Creek 'CD53' I tested.
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The Naim is more dynamic and punchy i guess?
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Yes, the main reason was the dynamic's. I took in a varity of CD's within the realms of improv and minimalism; as I find this branch of music to 'challenge' the faults in the Cambridge the most. The Creek has a very clear percise sound, but really seemed a little too straight forward for my tastes. It was closer between the rega, but I still felt the Naim was the more musicial of the two; and worth the price difference.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 19 2007 at 04:21
arcer wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
The whole system (amp, cd, speakers, turntable, phono stage, cabling) will clock in at around £7,000 to £8000 (around euro11000-12,000). Beyond that I honestly believe that you've hit the buffers of the law of diminishing returns. The improvements (if they exist at all) are so miniscule and so inconsequential to the overall experience that the cost is unjustifiable. To me it is simply an extreme case of "upgrade-itis" thereafter. |
I've got a 10 000/12 000 € system which work great, but exploded by a good 20 000€ one, itself exploded by a good 30 0000€ one, there's no limit, you can go until several billions of Euros!
| I have to say I think it's nonsense. I have listened to a number of very high end - up to 100,000 euros - and while, yes, there is an improvement over a 10,000 euro system I have to say that there is not 90,000 euro of value in the improvement. The benefits are miniscule, the impact on bank balance enormous. It simply isn't worth it and anyone who feels they can justify spending 60,000 on a pair of speakers is either very, very, very rich or very, very stupid or quite possibly both. Just think about this: how many hours per week does the average person (and by average I mean a person such as those who reside here at PA) have available to them to actually sit down and give music their full concentration. Is it 100,000 euros worth of hours? I hardly think so. I stand by my theory: 10-12000 euros is the maximum any sane person needs to spend to achieve sublime sound in a home environment. |
Obviously you haven't heard a real working system, whatever the price.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 19 2007 at 04:24
Black Velvet wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
Black Velvet wrote:
Hoping to upgrade to the Naim CD5, unfortunately don't have a job at the moment so it might be sometime. I prefer it over the Rega 'planet' and Creek 'CD53' I tested.
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The Naim is more dynamic and punchy i guess?
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Yes, the main reason was the dynamic's. I took in a varity of CD's within the realms of improv and minimalism; as I find this branch of music to 'challenge' the faults in the Cambridge the most. The Creek has a very clear percise sound, but really seemed a little too straight forward for my tastes. It was closer between the rega, but I still felt the Naim was the more musicial of the two; and worth the price difference.
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You probably heard that the Naim has a lot of mateer too.
The Rega is very natural, but too limited at both spectrum's extremities.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 19 2007 at 04:24
arcer wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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That's not the worst crap however. You have quite good speaker's cables also. | I'm honoured! |
You should try another CD.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 19 2007 at 16:20
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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That's not the worst crap however. You have quite good speaker's cables also. | I'm honoured! |
You should try another CD. |
It is on my list to audition some other CD players, Primare CD31, Naim CD5X etc. Money is an object unfortunately and one does the best one can. For the time being the Roksan will have to do.
And you know what? Listening to the remized/remasterd SACD/CD Wind and Wuthering the other night (an impulse raid on the record store), I was blown away by how much detail the Roksan digs out and how good the soundstaging is, placing instruments in all the right places. It may be a little excitable but it's not as bad you believe.
As for your comment about never having heard a working system - as I explained in other posts, I've heard systems ranging from 1,000 to 100,000 (some assembled by manufacturers and by hi-fi stores) and I've NEVER heard ANYTHING to convince me that there is a justifiable reason to spend more than 10,000/12,000 on a home entertainment system.
I'm not denying that some elements sound better but as I've said before the improvements are so miniscule that they cannot justify the price paid. It is, IMO, obsessional lunacy.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 06:01
The Naim will work way better than the Primare IMO.
If you'd heard a real working system, you'd be as enthusiastic as me. There are things which work in Hifi, and when all the system's elements are excellent and well optimized (cables, power, vibes), the result is more than excellent!
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 08:36
Thanks Oliver, the players are on my audition list for when the finances, stars (and my wife's mood) are right.
On the 'real' 'working' system - I have heard them and I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one!!
For me the high high end will always be a triumph of hype, pseudo-science and bullsh*t over real performance.
Most of time I'm just as happy listening to my little Tivoli radio!
But each to his own.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 08:43
I doubt you have heard bi amp with top flight tubes in the high, complete top cables lines, power filters and vib cancelling devices. You cannot see that in any store or any show.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 09:00
arcer wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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Not very musical. | I don't understand - I find them very musical. Have you heard these amplifiers? I think not. Here's an extract from a review. As you'll note the emphasis is far away from "thin" and "not musical".I think you must be thinking of some other amplifiers. <p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">As I’ve written about in other reviews, my reference
amplifiers use vacuum tubes.<span style=""> </span>Further,
most of my amps are low-powered, single-ended, triode output designs ranging
from about 3.5 wpc to 13 wpc.<span style=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">My
electric shaver has more power than that</span>.<span style=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Low
powered triodes are </span>an acquired
taste.<span style=""> </span>With appropriate speakers,
however, I am regularly treated to full-range reproduction and musical beauty
that is absolutely magical.<span style=""> </span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">So, being a patron of the low-powered, tube audio arts, what
can I possibly be doing reviewing Myryad’s solid state MA240, a 120 wpc
powerhouse?<span style=""> </span>Trust me, I approach
every equipment review with an open mind and try to avoid preconceived notions
about stereotypical solid state sound, whatever that may be.<span style="">
</span>The Myryad MA240 lived up to its end of the bargain by being neutral
and natural . . . and oh, the dynamics!<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">There was an
effortlessness to the dynamic swings that caught me by surprise, in a good
way.<span style=""> </span>The dynamic impact was
closer to what I experienced while listening to live music.<span style=""> </span>No, my system doesn’t sound “live”, but hearing the
swings from soft to loud, especially with orchestral music, helped get me
closer at times.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">The MA240 exhibited a smoothness and openness in the top end
that I associate only with very good equipment, regardless of whether its
output is tube or solid state.<span style=""> </span>The
upper frequencies were not harsh or brittle.<span style="">
</span>“Touch of Trash” from Patricia Barber’s Modern Cool album (Premonition 741) showed that the MA240 could
bring the cymbal crashes and percussive strikes to life, but they never got on
my nerves or became splashy.<span style=""> </span>The
highest-highs, which may be sounds such as a gentle brush stroke on a smaller
cymbal, or a tap on a triangle, were not quite as extended or present as I
prefer, but there isn’t much musical action in that range on the majority of
commercial recordings.<span style=""> </span>These
upper-register sounds also had somewhat less natural reverberant decay than I
hear through my triode tube amps.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">As I listened through the MA240, I was struck how music seemed
to move along with urgency, presented with a buoyant, vivid feel to it.<span style="">
</span>This is a quick amplifier.<span style=""> </span>Certainly,
the excellent power supply comes into play here.<span style="">
</span>The amp does a great job letting go of one note and moving on to the
next.<span style=""> </span>Listening to Dean Peer’s Ucross
album (Restless 9101), which is a torture test for bass definition, I noticed
that the low
register was well-defined, even in the lowest of low regions.<span style="">
</span>I detected some slight blurring of the pitches from note to note when
listening at meager volume settings.<span style=""> </span>As
the volume was increased, things improved.<span style="">
</span>This was perhaps an issue of the speaker/amplifer interface not being
ideal at very low volumes.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">If my aural memory serves me correctly, the Myryad MA240 is
sonically similar to the Manley Labs Stingray integrated amp that I reviewed
in the fall of 1999.<span style=""> </span>Each of
these amps exhibits realistic clarity through the midrange and the ability to
lay out a soundstage that’s on par with any amp I’ve had in my system.<span style="">
</span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Tonally, the MA240’s balance is more light than dark.<span style="">
</span>It’s airy and well lit from about 3 kHz on up.<span style="">
</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style=""></span>The MA240 displays no harshness or forwardness in the upper mids
</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">through the treble, but that portion of the sonic spectrum is what I noticed
first in many listening sessions.<span style=""> </span>It
also happens to be where the human ear is very sensitive.<span style="">
</span>In this respect, I slightly prefer the tonal balance of my Wright WPA
3.5 amps, for example, which are wonderfully even from top to bottom.<span style="">
</span>Other amps also have a better sense of perceived depth and organic
wholeness to vocalists and solo instruments, whereas the MA240 gives the
impression of a flatter front-to-back sonic plane.<span style=""> </span>Minor quibbles, for sure, but worth mentioning, and of
course, these are the opinions of a tubeophile.</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">In listening to the MP100, I said it earlier, and I’ll
repeat it now, it proved a perfect match to the MA240.<span style="">
</span>I found its tonal balance to be quite even, but if I had to place it on
the spectrum it would be more dark than light, matching wonderfully with the
MA240 in that regard.<span style=""> </span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Please don’t misinterpret my description of the MP100 and
assume that it’s colored, because it really isn’t.<span style=""> </span>Tonally, the MP100 is robust and lively in the best sense
of the term, with good extension at the extremes, but during listening tests,
my ear was directed toward the lower-mids and mid-bass as the areas that
impressed the most, rather than the upper-mids and treble.<span style=""> </span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Remember, I’m comparing the MP100 mostly to the Monolithic
Sound PA-1, which is a passive preamp design.<span style=""> </span>The
PA-1, and virtually any passive preamp, will do less to alter a signal than
most active designs.<span style=""> </span>Once your
ear is accustomed to the lack of a sonic signature from a passive preamp, it
becomes much easier to hear any character imposed by an active preamp.<span style="">
</span>The trick is to find components that work well together, and that’s
why I constantly refer back to the admirable teamwork of the MA240 and MP100.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"></span> |
I've already heard Myriad, it's not too bad.
It's dynamic indeed, rather neutral (a quality) but it's cold and lacks musicality. It can't compete with a good tube in the highs.
You were talking high end. A big system based on solid state amplification only and with a CD source is a joke, a waste of money, even with the best solid state and the best CD. The royal way is the bi amp with good solid state in the low and good tube in the highs.
But if you have to have only one amp in width band, it must be tube.
It's my case, but i've a subwoofer including a 200W solidstate, so it makes a pseudo-bi amplification.
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Posted By: NilsTentacles
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 13:39
arcer wrote:
Thanks Oliver, the players are on my audition list for when the finances, stars (and my wife's mood) are right. On the 'real' 'working' system - I have heard them and I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one!! For me the high high end will always be a triumph of hype, pseudo-science and bullsh*t over real performance. Most of time I'm just as happy listening to my little Tivoli radio! But each to his own.
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a wind of common sense is blowing through the forums...
(seriously)
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 13:42
NilsTentacles wrote:
arcer wrote:
Thanks Oliver, the players are on my audition list for when the finances, stars (and my wife's mood) are right. On the 'real' 'working' system - I have heard them and I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one!! For me the high high end will always be a triumph of hype, pseudo-science and bullsh*t over real performance. Most of time I'm just as happy listening to my little Tivoli radio! But each to his own.
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a wind of common sense is blowing through the forums...
(seriously) |
Hey don't get too excited - Oliver will soon get it back on track
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 13:42
NilsTentacles wrote:
arcer wrote:
Thanks Oliver, the players are on my audition list for when the finances, stars (and my wife's mood) are right. On the 'real' 'working' system - I have heard them and I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one!! For me the high high end will always be a triumph of hype, pseudo-science and bullsh*t over real performance. Most of time I'm just as happy listening to my little Tivoli radio! But each to his own.
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a wind of common sense is blowing through the forums...
(seriously) |
What do you mean?
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 13:48
I'm tired of people talking about what they don't know.
I already imagine them in front of my system, with a
sheepish face: "Indeed, it works fantastic".
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:07
Have I had a post deleted?
...sorry...wrong thread!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:12
...but on another note, can we get back on topic? We don't want people to feel intimidated to post their systems do we?
Oliver...you have your own thread for this sort of discussion, no?
Heres one..
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35105&KW - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35105&KW =
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:18
Indeed - this thread has become an "Oliver bashing your system and other people defending it" thread.
Other people have valid opinions regarding hi-fi. I think a little more respect is called for.
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:28
At least he doesn't go on other forums and insult members of this forum/website and their reviews...
Besides,Olivier's awesome and likes some of the best music out there
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-Merleau-Ponty
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Posted By: NilsTentacles
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:27
my latest toys :-D
Beyerdynamic DT880, Rega Ear, Meier-Audio Corda Arietta
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Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:40
The best on the market, great analog sound!
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 05:59
oliverstoned wrote:
I'm tired of people talking about what they don't know. I already imagine them in front of my system, with a sheepish face: "Indeed, it works fantastic". |
Indeed, we must all bow down before the great god that is Ollie's system and, oh, before that, better prostrate yourself before Ollie's indisputable pontifications about a subject he clearly knows absolutely eveything about.
Your insufferable arrogance in this area merely confirms all my suspicions about devotees of the cult of high end - blinkered, close-minded, inflexible, contemptuous of others, self-important, conceited. Take your pick...
I'll let the comment about what I know or don't know slide and retire with as much grace as possible from a thread which, as ever, has become Oliver telling people how good he is and how they are merely laughable and ignorant.
Some people simply have no empathy. Sigh...
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Posted By: NilsTentacles
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 07:43
the forum memmbers listening to Ollies high-end system...
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 07:45
NilsTentacles wrote:
the forum memmbers listening to Ollies high-end system...
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.....and they all showed their appreciation, by all letting rip together with a huge fart!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 07:53
Nice guys!
Where is he - he's like a policeman - he's never there when you want him.
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:22
It's not really about bashing Ollie or his system. I really don't want to go down that route. But I do think he needs to learn a little humility, tact and decorum in his repsonses, not just to me (with me at least he didn't resort simply to posting a picture of a bin) but to others as well.
This thread and others with a similar theme shouldn't be about dominance or one person establishing himself or herself as the arbiter of all things right. It's about people sharing their opinions etc even occasionally having a reasoned argument in which opposing views are debated in a sensible, adult manner in a bid to find resolution. That's not evident here.
Oliver is obviously passionate about his hobby and that's cool but as my mother always said: if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:29
arcer wrote:
It's not really about bashing Ollie or his system. I really don't want to go down that route. But I do think he needs to learn a little humility, tact and decorum in his repsonses, not just to me (with me at least he didn't resort simply to posting a picture of a bin) but to others as well.
This thread and others with a similar theme shouldn't be about dominance or one person establishing himself or herself as the arbiter of all things right. It's about people sharing their opinions etc even occasionally having a reasoned argument in which opposing views are debated in a sensible, adult manner in a bid to find resolution. That's not evident here.
Oliver is obviously passionate about his hobby and that's cool but as my mother always said: if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
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I agree, I want to see what people play their music on here, whatever it is, without fear of being laughed at or made to feel inferior.
A litle gentle piss traking is fine of course.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:29
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:32
Snow Dog wrote:
arcer wrote:
It's not really about bashing Ollie or his system. I really don't want to go down that route. But I do think he needs to learn a little humility, tact and decorum in his repsonses, not just to me (with me at least he didn't resort simply to posting a picture of a bin) but to others as well.
This thread and others with a similar theme shouldn't be about dominance or one person establishing himself or herself as the arbiter of all things right. It's about people sharing their opinions etc even occasionally having a reasoned argument in which opposing views are debated in a sensible, adult manner in a bid to find resolution. That's not evident here.
Oliver is obviously passionate about his hobby and that's cool but as my mother always said: if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
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I agree, I want to see what people play their music on here, whatever it is, without fear of being laughed at or made to feel inferior.
A litle gentle piss traking is fine of course. |
Yeah, I've seen your system Snowy - two plastic cups tied together with string with you humming By-Tor & the Snow Dog in the middle isn't exactly state of the art!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 09:38
arcer wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
arcer wrote:
It's not really about bashing Ollie or his system. I really don't want to go down that route. But I do think he needs to learn a little humility, tact and decorum in his repsonses, not just to me (with me at least he didn't resort simply to posting a picture of a bin) but to others as well.
This thread and others with a similar theme shouldn't be about dominance or one person establishing himself or herself as the arbiter of all things right. It's about people sharing their opinions etc even occasionally having a reasoned argument in which opposing views are debated in a sensible, adult manner in a bid to find resolution. That's not evident here.
Oliver is obviously passionate about his hobby and that's cool but as my mother always said: if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
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I agree, I want to see what people play their music on here, whatever it is, without fear of being laughed at or made to feel inferior.
A litle gentle piss traking is fine of course. |
Yeah, I've seen your system Snowy - two plastic cups tied together with string with you humming By-Tor & the Snow Dog in the middle isn't exactly state of the art! |
Thats the spirit.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 22 2007 at 09:53
Do you think "you know who" will play?
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Posted By: refractor
Date Posted: April 30 2007 at 22:52
I'll have to take some pics and post them, but for now I'll give a description
1 Kenwood KRA-5050 200 watts per channel 4 JAMO's, bottoms are the BX-200A's, on top 2 BX-150's 1 KCD 1070, that I'm told only 5 came to the US, f.i.n.e drive, 24 bit, 32 times over sampling, Kenwood never mass marketed these...... no sub-woofer is needed and it lights up the neighborhood with sound easily, everything distributes the cleanest lows, mids and high's......
------------- Where were we?........Oh there!
http://www.myspace.com/onandstopped
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 18:03
I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering a Rega P1 record player soon to
upgrade from the Sony generic one my parents had. From what I've read,
it looks great, and it's very affordable too (only $350!). Anybody
have any thoughts on this record player?
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 05 2007 at 19:13
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 06:16
I'm not an audiofile, but like to go for a bit of robust mid-priced quality - no pics - it's all to messy to show in public
for the PC:
Audio Innovations Alto amp
QED R232E Turntable with QED pre-amp
JAMO Laser Power speakers
Terratec DMX 6fire 24bit soundcard
TASCAM 788 8-track digital portastudio
Crappy Philips CDR recorder that is now busted.
Living Room/Conservatory/Patio:
NAD 3020A Amp
Thorens TD130 turntable with original tone-arm
Cheapest DVD player I could find (but for playing CDs)
Flying-lead for my iPlod
Mission 750 speakers, some old KEF speakers and some cheap plastic Ariston ones that I've waterproofed for outside - all on a 4-way speaker selector switch.
Acoustic Research TDS202 sound enhancer - strange little passive filter - I've no idea what it does, but it makes everything sound brighter so I do not have to have the volume up too loud when listening outside.
/edit: I also use a pair of Howland-West Waferlite electrostatic headphones for normal listening (these things are about 30 years old but sound wounderful) and some enclosed IXOS things for recording (I don't like enclosed headphones but these have negligable spill).
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 06:36
No pics either.....I have
Sony CDP-XE330 Cd Player
Sony TA-FE230 Amp
Pioneer CS-790 Speakers
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 06:51
Snow's Cd top and Amp below (Cd in lower pic is not Snowy's)
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 06:53
Speakers: Elac CL-82
Amp: Harman Kardon HK-620
CD: Harman Kardon HD 710
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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 07:23
Amp: Marantz PM75
Speakers: Tannoy Mercury MX4 with Tannoy sub woofer
CD: Vestax dual CD mixer
Technics GT5000 DAB/FM/AM Tuner
Also have a Sony DTC70ES dat recorder and a Technics SL1200 deck but don't use them much.
Chucked cassette out as a bad job as soon as car CD players came in (I only used cassette to transfer music to the car).
I must confess that I tend to use my Sony NW A3000 walkman to play most of my music now. 256Kbps mp3. Just plug it into the aux i/p of the amp.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 07:40
Tony R wrote:
Snow's Cd top and Amp below (Cd in lower pic is not Snowy's)
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Yep thats them. I couldn't find pics when I searched. You used Google?
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Posted By: Progger58
Date Posted: June 07 2007 at 08:08
Amp: Audiolab 8000S (I Love it!! )
Speakers: B&W DM603-S3
My first set of speakers was Paradigm, but now, with these B&W's, I don't think about another upgrade so soon. Great speakers.
CD player: Sony CDP-M33 (no photo available).
Demetrio.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 10 2007 at 07:52
Snow Dog wrote:
Yep thats them. I couldn't find pics when I searched. You used Google? |
yes, Google images...
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 31 2007 at 12:19
Amp: Cambridge Audio Azur 640A v2
CD: Cambridge Audio 540C v2
Speakers: Tannoy Mercury F3
Cables: Supra
Headphones: Grado SR-60
I'm happy, surely that's enough!
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 31 2007 at 12:32
The Grado is good in its price range.
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 31 2007 at 13:28
I would say it's extremely good for its price, I paid 70€ for them!
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 03 2007 at 08:17
Logos wrote:
I would say it's extremely good for its price, I paid 70€ for them!
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Certainly. That would go well with a good walkman, such as the Sony WM D6C, the absolute best portable source ever.
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Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: September 03 2007 at 08:33
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 06:30
Posted By: Mellow Candle
Date Posted: September 05 2007 at 06:49
Tony R wrote:
Snow's Cd top and Amp below (Cd in lower pic is not Snowy's)
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Waiting for someone or something to show me the way...
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