Where are all the Post-Rock bands
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Topic: Where are all the Post-Rock bands
Posted By: Proletariat
Subject: Where are all the Post-Rock bands
Date Posted: March 30 2007 at 14:05
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I have been "into" post rock way before i got into prog. I wanted to write post-rock reviews but the bands arent here. Here are a few suggestions (just the bare minimum): the Autumn project, Sunn 0))), (yes they are considered post rock in most non-prog post rock circles), This Will Destroy You, Jesu. There are tons more but these are essential. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 30 2007 at 14:06
| I don't know any you mentioned, but they may be post-rock but not prog... |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 30 2007 at 14:09
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lol in doom circles Sunn 0))) are considered drone doom and quite honestly I think their music is anti-prog even if they were prog then Earth would be the essential band, not Sunn ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 30 2007 at 14:09
Non Prog Post Rock = Drone. At least that's what I used to think ...  BTW: Welcome to the site where genre discussions never cease.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Proletariat wrote:Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 30 2007 at 22:43
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Sunn O)))? They're straight up drone doom to me. Even Boris is (or was...) more post-rock than Sunn O))) and I don't see them being here in PA... As for bands not being in PA, well we're trying to add as many post-rock bands as we can, but it isn't easy to come up with a bio every time a band gets cleared for addition specially post-rock band which information about bands is pretty scarce. If you would like to see more bands from the genre added here in PA then feel free to write a bio for any of these bands cleared for addition on the list: http://www.progtology.com/home/progarchives/postrockchart.xhtml - http://www.progtology.com/home/progarchives/postrockchart.xhtml ------------- 
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 04:29
| Sunn 0))) have nothing to do with post-rock... nor do Jesu really for that matter. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 17:27
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Post-Rock gets too nailed down, people are allways complaining that post rock bands sound too much alike. They sound too much alike because the defonition we use is too small to include different sounds. if Sunn 0))) or Boris for that matter dont fit Post-Rock we should remember that the actual genre on this site is Post-Rock/Experimental. Dont try to tell me Sunn 0))) is'nt experimental. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 21:52
They aren't trying to tell you that they aren't experimental, everything is just experimental in it's own way. And from what I've heard, they aren't exactly experimental in a progressive kind of way. ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 31 2007 at 22:02
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I really like Boris and I really, really don't want to see them here
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 07:00
| Speaking personally (i.e. not as an Admin) I think we need to be careful with Post Rock. There is no automatic assumption that all post rock bands are prog. |
Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:01
To quote the genius Zappa88:
"They aren't trying to tell you that they aren't experimental, everything is just experimental in it's own way. And from what I've heard, they aren't exactly experimental in a progressive kind of way."
 (or just see above post)  ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:15
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hmm... the genres that are used on this site confuse me. the defonitions are not easily understandable.
for exampleEXPERIMENTAL the archive defonition of experimental is
Experimental music is any music that challenges the commonly accepted notions of what music is. There is an overlap with avant-garde music. John Cage was a pioneer in experimental music and defined and gave credibility to the form. As with other edge forms that push the limits of a particular form of expression, there is little agreement as to the boundaries of experimental music, even amongst its practitioners. On the one hand, some experimental music is an extension of traditional music, adding unconventional instruments, modifications to instruments, noises, and other novelties to orchestral compositions. At the other extreme, there are performances that most listeners would not characterize as music at all. this would lead me to assume that Wolf Eyes or Menomena would be good recomendations to the site. But obviously they arn't prog so they are not.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:20
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Just a quick thought, I would remove the term Experimental from there. All bands represented in the archives (or at least most) in the various genres are experimental in one way or another and to some extent.
I once thought that the term experimental would be best applied to the RIO/Avant genre but that is somewhat redundant... And as I said above, this term really says nothing much to me and doesn't add much and also, as said by Proletariat, causes confusion.
I think the post-rock label is enough.
But now go back to discussing the progessiveness of post-rock bands, sorry to have intruded.
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:22
Haven't we all agreed on that before? I think someone should ask someone to ask an admin to ask mailto:M@X - M@X about it. Otherwise... it's misleading! ------------- sig |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:25
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Agreed, Most Experimental isn't progressive, mabe say prog-experimental or Avant-prog, if only to keep The Sonic Youth or I guess in most of your cases Sunn 0))) ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:26
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out of the archives. (sorry i hit the post button too soon) ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:27
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Jesu is more of a straight shoegazer band with metal timbres. They have very little to do with post rock. While I am a fan of all of those bands, I don't think any of them belong on a prog website. However, I think This Will Desroy You may be added soon. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 17:28
Was that supposed to be a threat? As in, "Out of the archives, you heathen!" If so, you forgot to add "April Fools!!!" at the end.   ------------- sig |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 20:51
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hmmm.... i had meant to finish my sentance, most "heathens" dont listen to prog though the band Tyr love to call themselves such I had meant to say: "i guess most experimental music isn't prog, mabe say expiremental-prog, otherwise it seems that the sonic youth and wolf eyes belong in the archive keep THEM out does that make more sence? ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 22:15
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yeah This Will Destroy You have a really GREAT EP, i'm expecting their second album i love Jesu, Heartache awesome EP, absolutely brilliant! but there's a lot of bands waiting: Friends In the Mountains, Polmo Polpo, Grace Cathedral Park, Astro, Birchville Cat Motel, Jackie-O Motherf**ker, Charalambides, 1/3rd Octave Band, Et Sans, Ulan Bator, Kundalini Snakes, San Agustin, Plants, Destroyalldreamers, My Cat is An Alien, Oneida, Vapour Theories, Shalabi Effect, Stars of The Lid, People For Audio, Main, Timonium, Windy & Carl, Alumbrados and many, many more ------------- 
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 22:52
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Yea! if only they were not so F****** secretive, i understand that the problem is getting a biography written. My list of post rock bands could go on and on. Although according to some people my list has bands that are not post rock. Let me make a new list that should be more agreeable. the Autumn project
This is a process of a still life
Eluvium
Windmills by the ocean
Mouth of the architect
The North Valley Subconsious Orchestra
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Posted By: anael
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 00:48
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i've only heard The Autumn Project and Eluvium :S Hey i missed Don't Mess With Texas, great band! -------------
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 03:48
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Re the proposal to remove "Experimental".
Are there any other views on this? Is it superflouous, or are some of the bands in this sub-genre best described as that? Does Avant Gard already cover experimental?
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 04:03
exactly.
 And we should be careful not to systematically include all post rock bands, but only the ones that are progressive.... ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 04:51
Easier said than done. How exactly does one define which post-rock bands are "progressive" and which are not?  Of course, there are some bands that are widely categorized as post-rock, and yet have a very pop oriented and straightforward approach. I agree that these bands should not be added, but how about all the GY!BE, EitS, Tortoise etc. influenced bands that are out there? Should we automatically discard them just because GY!BE did it first? Using this criterium, the archives would be a whole lot emptier (not talking about post-rock solely). On a sidenote, I agree that Sunn 0))), Jesu etc. are not Post-rock in the least. ------------- 
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Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 04:53
Err my band mates are stoners and listen to boris, sunn and similar bands dude they aren't post rock they're stoner/doom metal - pretty big difference. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 06:27
indeed Jimbo, but my post was definitely not being critical of the work of your team.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 07:40
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^ Yeah, I know. This is just something I've been pondering myself lately... It's extremely difficult to know where to draw the line with a genre like this. The fact is, before too long, we're going to have somewhere between 60-150 bands waiting to be added to this genre. There are currently 161 bands on our chart, and at least half of them do play instrumental post-rock, no matter how you look at it. There's no way of reducing the size, unless we change the definition somehow (wouldn't know how). 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 09:04
I think the experimental tag should remain, as not all bands under that banner are expressly post-rock, namely Don Caballero, who really don't belong anywhere else. Also, as is being discussed here, there are many post-rock bands, but not all of them progressive... the team is trying to add mostly the experimental end of the post-rock spectrum. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 20:14
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I think the experimental tag should remain, as not all bands under that banner are expressly post-rock, namely Don Caballero, who really don't belong anywhere else. Also, as is being discussed here, there are many post-rock bands, but not all of them progressive... the team is trying to add mostly the experimental end of the post-rock spectrum. [/QUOTE] Shouldent you try to add the progressive side of both the experimental and post-rock genres, they are seperate most experimental is not Post-rock by any strech of the imagionation, though almost all post-rock is experimental, and to complicate things even further not all post-rock or experimental bands are prog though many are. It hurts too much to try to figure out. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 20:15
why didn't my quote work right?
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 03:45
| You need to start it with a [qu ote] (no space in the word) |
Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 06:15
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I think that the post rock/experimental tag is a good one as it covers all the experimental rock and stuff like that would really be considered RIO/Avant
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 20:42
thanks ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 21:15
I personally believe that the experimental tag should go for the same reasons some posted it should be here. In my opinion Don Cab shouldn't be in the post-rock genre. Its very misleading. I know that the band and genre has some links with post-rock, but I would prefer seeing them in another genre or maybe even a more organized math rock genre instead of adding them in totally different genres (there are math rock bands in Art Rock, RIO/Avant and Post-rock genres), but thats for another time... I also don't agree with FruMp's post. If theres a band that could be considered avant-garde then the band will most likely be added in the RIO/Avant genre. Up to know there aren't really any experimental artists in the genre (maybe Set Fire to Flames,Cul De Sac or the already cleared Shalabi Effect if you want to call them experimental), so why keep the name? -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 21:29
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I'm going to be very honest here. I don't see myself as a post-rock specialist nor do I know all that is to know about it or even 70% of the bands being tagged as post-rock, but I'm a devoted fan of it and I try my best to promote and add bands here in the archives, but it isn't easy and I already mentioned the main problems: lack of information and the real world. If anyone really wants to see the bands being added here then why not try and help us add them by writing bios or just giving us some useful links about them? I think it would be better that way. It will definitely ease the heavy weight in our backs.  -------------
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 22:18
ok then heres a link for the Autumn project http://www.zurecords.com/ - http://www.zurecords.com/ there are some of their songs on the site, no bio (AAAA!) but I hope it can be of some use. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 11:56
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^^^ Now you know how it feels. Thanks for the link, though. The samples will surely help us. -------------
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 01:43
My friends are classic rock fans and listen to pink floyd, genisis and similar bands dude thy aren't progressive rock they are classic rock - pretty big differance.
seriously, just because you can listen to a band as one thing dosen't mean it isn't just as much of another. My stoner friends get pissed at the newer sunn material saying that it sounds to post and not doomie enough.
how much of thier material (from diffren't periods in their development) have you actually listened to. I realize they probably are not fit for prog, but i can listen to them as post if i f**** want, they use timbres and
crescendos .------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 00:46
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well here's some links: Grace Cathedral Park http://www.gracecathedralpark.com/ - http://www.gracecathedralpark.com/ Jackie-O Motherf**ker http://www.myspace.com/jomf - http://www.myspace.com/jomf ^ i don't know if they are exactly a post-rock band, check them out Ulan Bator http://www.ulanbator-archive.com/ - http://www.ulanbator-archive.com/ Plants http://www.plantsmusic.com/ - http://www.plantsmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/plants - http://www.myspace.com/plants http://www.paradigms-recordings.com/mp3/plants1.mp3 - http://www.paradigms-recordings.com/mp3/plants1.mp3 Destroyalldreamers http://www.destroyalldreamers.com/ - http://www.destroyalldreamers.com/ My Cat is An Alien http://www.mycatisanalien.com/ - http://www.mycatisanalien.com/ ^ Maybe this band fits better in the Electronic genre Don't Mess With Texas http://www.d-m-w-t.com/ - http://www.d-m-w-t.com/ Shalabi Effect http://shalabieffect.net/ - http://shalabieffect.net/ Windy & Carl http://brainwashed.com/wc/ - http://brainwashed.com/wc/ ^ Maybe this band fits better in the Electronic genre too -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 12:35
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Thanks for those links, Anael. I have some albums by JOMF and Windy & Carl and both bands have been pretty hard for me to put in PA genres. I may need to listen to more of their albums to make a clear decision, but yeah, I don't see both of them as post-rock artists (maybe Windy & Carl, but to a small extent) Shalabi Effect needs one more vote to clear them for addition and I'll be glad to write a bio for them. Thanks. -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 16:20
Is anyone interested in my opinion??? ------------- 
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 16:38
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You have to say it first and then I'll decide to ignore you or not.
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Posted By: Drakk
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 18:21
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These Monsters... :D ------------- [QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss] I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde! Al di Meola. [/QUOTE] haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 22:08
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^^^ How's that bio coming?
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 23:40
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Well now we have one band less to worry about: ../artist.asp?id=2929 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2929
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Posted By: Drakk
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 10:42
I have something in mind, but I'm rather new to the Progtology site.
I may need some help in navigating it. ------------- [QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss] I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde! Al di Meola. [/QUOTE] haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 22:50
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What do you mean? You don't need to be in Progtology to write a bio. Just use Microsoft word or something like that and PM me when you have it finished. Oh and I can't help you either since I only use it for the voting table.  Don't know much about the rest of the things in it.-------------
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