Any sound sculptors out there?
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Topic: Any sound sculptors out there?
Posted By: clarke2001
Subject: Any sound sculptors out there?
Date Posted: March 29 2007 at 12:04
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Hi everyone, I'm a keyboard player and a vintage synth collector and I want to know is there anyone here into subtractive synthesis? Anyone familiar with the triangle & square waves, ADSR envelopes, filters, low-frequency oscillators? It doesn't necessary have to be analog subtractive synthesis; digital thingies such are FM or any other are fine too. (Please, no sample discussions here. I'm interested in creating a timbre right from the scratch.) Synths are unnecessary too; maybe someone wants to know which stomp boxes to use to produce a church organ sound out of his Strat? What is the best old polysynth for overdriven Hammond sounds? Which synth is closest to the MiniMoog? What's so special about DX7? How to make ARP sound like a Rhodes? Anyone? There must be someone sharing the same interests as me... ------------- |
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Posted By: nightlamp
Date Posted: May 15 2007 at 16:56
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Count me in as another fan of subtractive synthesis... I'm not really what one would call a hardcore electronic musician but I use electronics quite a bit in my groups as transformative devices-- mostly balanced (ring) mod, filters, and delays. Regarding your questions... As a non-synth-expert, my suggestions would be: a. best polysynth: Roland Juno 6/106-- the first real synth I ever played. Very easy to make organ & clavinet/harpsichord type sounds, even though replicating other instruments wasn't my interest. Add a decent phaser (or rotary speaker/emulator) and you're good to go. b. Synth closest to the MiniMoog: Another Moog! Seriously, in terms of panel layout the Moog Rogue (or Realistic version) is pretty close. It sounds pretty similar-- not quite as fat (since they don't have 3 oscillators), but they had the same sweet filter circuit that's classic Moog. http://www.synthtech.com - Synthesis Technologies makes several modules that are Moog filter clones (and are Moog-ish looking), but I can't attest to their accuracy in replicating the sound. c. Special about DX7: First mass-production synth to have preset sounds that were derived from FM synthesis. Beyond that, I don't see what the big deal is... d. Don't know. Again, my synth interest has never been along the lines of emulating real-world instruments. What kind of synths do you use? What's on your wishlist? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 15 2007 at 17:11
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I have an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberheim_OB12 - Oberheim OB-12 - which as a polyphonic analogue modelling synth with all the right knobs and sliders (triangle & square waves, ADSR envelopes, filters, low-frequency oscillators etc.), but with the ease of pre-sets and digital control.
A few years ago they were being knocked out really cheaply (<£500), but now they are quite rare.
Chances of imitating any real-world instruments with it are zip, but you if you were trying to do that you wouldn't use a subtractive synth. For phat and spacey synth sounds it is the business.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 10:16
wow, I'm not alone...welcome!!
Cheerio! ------------- |
nightlamp wrote:
However, since you answered, I will add my humble opinion:Posted By: jmcdaniel_ee
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 13:17
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I've got a Nord G2 Modular synth. I know, no one thinks it's as warm as a vintage synth or whatnot, but you can save a near infinite amount of patches and instantly recall each one. It's really a blast, and has as many modules as you could dream of, but doesn't look nearly as cool as a big modular rack(s). In the past two years, I've learned a ton about synthesis (mostly subtractive). A couple of good places I go to are: http://www.electro-music.com - www.electro-music.com and the Sound on Sound synthesis secrets database. EXTREMELY useful if you're not already familiar with it. http://www.soundonsound.com/search?page=1&Keyword=synth%20secrets&Words=All&Summary=Yes - http://www.soundonsound.com/search?page=1&Keyword="synth%20secrets"&Words=All&Summary=Yes |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 13:39
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Hey there Clarke, I am an analogue synth collecter and I use my keyboards professionally as much as possible. I won't bore you with a list, but just some favorites.
The Juno 6 is great for doing Farfisa like psych organ, but with pedal filter control. The mini-korg is way underated and does killer melodic synth solos. Korg MS 20 has a huge sound and lots of features a mini-moog doesn't have. I more or less know how all the parameters work, but once you get in deep with a sound it is easy to just get overwhelmed. I also collect analogue Hammond copies like the Crumar T1 |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 20 2007 at 17:21
 Juno 6 is surprisingly good for organ indeed. I own a 60, which is sound-wise the same thing. I like the double chorus=leslie, and filter pedal control, as you've mentioned it too! Unfortunately I don't own a mini-korg or any of old MS or DV series....but that ridiculous little Micropreset machine could be awesome. Awesome and ballsy filter, great portamento action. Ona distortion it's KILLER.  As for overwhelming...I know. I even approached a few engineers for my advanced concept of a synth, but I gave up because of initial price.  ------------- |
Posted By: nightlamp
Date Posted: December 06 2007 at 21:55
Yeah, I love the MS-20's patch bay feature-- the semi-modularity of the MS-20 seems to make it a better fit for far-out noise and sound effects than the Moog. I love the MS-20's filters too, they sound great! |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 07 2007 at 00:42
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I don't think the mini moog has a sample and hold feature which the MS20 has in a big way.
Another synth that dissapointed me was the ARP Odyssey. It is just hard to understand, there are things about it I don't get and the sound and the bad pitch control are not great. I think an ARP Axxe would have been the better buy. I have a Chroma Polaris which is basically the last ARP and it has some nice sounds and features. |