Mutantes Line up
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Topic: Mutantes Line up
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Subject: Mutantes Line up
Date Posted: March 27 2007 at 17:51
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HI, folks:
I was pleased to see great brazilian band Mutantes on prog archives, but when I looked at their 1974´s album "Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol" I noticed that the band´s line up is incomplete since it does not mention Sérgio Dias (guitarrist, songwriter, singer and up to that point the only orginal member left). So he should be included as:
Sérgio Dias Baptista: All Guitars, sitar, lead vocals.
Also the other 3 musicians are cited as guests, while they were really full time members.
Thanks for your atention
Tarcísio Moura
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: March 28 2007 at 01:33
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Thanks, Tarcisio Moura!
The line-up for the album in question is updated.
By the way, some of Os Mutantes albums lack important information, like lines-up, for examples. Do you have any information on their other albums?
And, a question on general erudition -- what does "os" mean in Portuguese? Is it an article?
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: March 29 2007 at 14:58
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HI, Fassbinder:
It´s a pleasure to help any time I can, I´ll look at the Mutantes discography. If I see something that I see it needs to be fixed, I´ll tell you.
And "os" is an portuguese equivalent of the article "the" in english. While "the" aplies to both male and female characters, "os" aplies only to males or collectivelly to males plus females. The right article for females is "as". So, if you want to know see:
o (the, singular, refers to a specific male. Ex: o homem - the man))
a (the, singular, refers to a specific female. Ex: a mulher - the woman)
os (the, plural, group of two or more males or males and females)
as (the, plural, two or more females only. For exemple, the 70´s girl only brazilian group, As Frenéticas).
Best regards
Tarcísio Moura
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 12:53
Hi, Fassbinder:
It´s not easy to find informations about who played what in their early albuns, since it was not common at the time to display such information on LP covers (the CD versions did not correct that). But their first LP, Os Mutantes, the mais line up is the one that follows:
Rita Lee _ Vocals, effects.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista - Bass, Vocals
Sérgio Dias Baptista_ Guitars, Vocals.
According to the book "A Divina Comédia Dos Mutantes" (their only offical biography), it seems that the remaining information already available about their debut album in PA is correct.
I´ll keep on the research and sending the information as soon as I can
Tarcísio Moura
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Fassbinder wrote:Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 02 2007 at 13:22
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Thanks, Tarcísio Moura!
1.
If I understand you rightly, I can add the line-up you've posted:
- Rita Lee / vocals, effects
- Arnaldo Dias Baptista / bass, vocals
- Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitars, vocals
to the entry of the album Os Mutantes (1968), right?
2. Thanks in advance for the future possible updates.
3. Thanks for the linguistic clarification on Portuguese articles.
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 09:17
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HI, Eugene:
Yes, that is right. And the rest of the credits already in PA about the producer and guests seem to be right.
Actually to know exactly who guested on the albums is an exercise of madness, since they often asked friends to help along. For exemple, Dr. Clésar Baptista (father os the brothers Sergio and Arnaldo) appears on Ave Gengis Khan singing in ´russian´ (he sang in portuguese really, but the tape was recorded then playing backwards). The party sounds on Panis Et Circensis are the studio stuff making noises. And so on... But I´ll try to give the most important information the best I can.
Best regards
Tarcísio.
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 09:35
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Hi, Tarcísio!
Actually, I've updated the Os Mutantes album. I had some problems with diacritics, but it seems that now it all is sorted out -- you may check it, and, if there are still some errors, tell me.
As for the additional information -- any help is appreciated, you know.
Eugene.
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 14:50
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HI, Eugene:
For the second Mutantes LP, Mutantes (1969), the right line up is:
Rita Lee _ Vocals, effects, Theremin.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista _ Bass, vocals, effects
Sérgio Dias Baptista _ Guitars, vocals, effects.
As for the guests:
Rogério Duprat - Arrangements, electric cello (9)
Ronaldo Leme (Dinho) - Drums
Zé do Rancho and Mariazinha_ Vocals, Brazillian Viola and Accordion (4)
About Liminha: although he was a friend of the band long before this LP was out, he was not playing bass with them yet. It is possible that he played brazilian viola on one of their songs in the LP but I could not find any definitly information about it.. So, the mention of him playing in this LP on the Mutantes entry as a guest bassist is not right.
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 03 2007 at 14:59
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Cheers, Tarcisio! Changes tomorrow... ...have to go now... Thanks again!
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 04 2007 at 14:08
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Well, some things are updated. Assuming that Ze do Rancho and Mariazinha are two different persons I've created two separate entries for each other. For Liminha -- I wrote his name with a compromiss solution: "- Liminha / unknown", meaning that his performance was a fact, yet the instrument is (still) unknown. Now, the main line-up -- I've added the instruments you'd mentioned. Look, however, at the instruments here: http://www.proggnosis.com/MUSIC_DBCDInfo.asp?txtCDID=17179 ; - A.D. Batista / piano, bass, vocals - S.D. Batista / guitar, violin, vocals - Rita Lee / flute, harp, vocalsDoes this list make a sense? Should those instruments be added? Or some of them should be replaced?
Also, pay attention to the spelling of Ba(p)tistas. They are mentioned in PA as "Baptista", and I think it is the right spelling, relying on the fact that you're a native speaker of Portuguese.
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 08:03
HI, Eugene:
Well, I´m glad you are so interested in giving the readers such an accurate informations. I´ll try my best
 .Yes, indeed Zé Do Rancho and Mariazinha are two persons. In fact, they were a famous folk duo, but as long as they don´t mention who played what instrument and they are mentioned as a duo (the band wanted to have a real hillbilly duo in the first part of the song), I thought it was better to leave it that way. Your decide it.
About Liminha: I do´t think it´s worth it even to mention him, since no credit was given in the LP (or the CD) cover. He may have played on one song, but is that information so important? considering that he later became a member of the group it may lead to assumptions he had indeeed played a major role in the album. Well, again, you decide about it.
As for the main line up, I believe there are some mistakes:
1) Arnaldo only started to play keyboards in The mutantes records from the third album onwards. that´s the reason Liminha was later recruited to the band, for the live shows.
2) I never ever heard that Sérgio Dias played the violin. Neither on record or live.
3) Rita Lee only started to play the flute in the mid seventies, long after she left the band. She used to play so auto harp on live shows, but I´m unable to say if she did that in the studio (certainly, she never played the classical harp).
All my informations came from their official biography, which has the collaboration of all the former members of the band. Those kind of mistakes are very common, since, before the release of that book, not much was officially written about their recordings. I´m trying to be as close to the real facts as I can, so I rather rely on what is officially published.
I´ll send more information about the next albums as soon as I gather all there is about them.
Best regards
Tarcísio Moura
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 05:49
../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4981 - Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol 1. Deixe Entrar Um Pouco D'Água No Quintal (5:04) 2. Pitágoras (6:55) 3. Desanuviar (8:08) 4. Eu Só Penso Em Te Ajudar (4:55) 5. Cidadão Da Terra (5:51) 6. O Contrário Do Nada É Nada (2:55) 7. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol (8:43) Total Time: 42:31 good album  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 08:22
Hi, Rivertree:
Yes, I like that album a lot, even though it may lack the anarchistic sense of humor of their earlier effords. It´s very much a straighforward prog of the 70´s, but I loved it when it came out and I still think it stands up well, after all those years.
Cheers
Tarcísio Moura
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 08:50
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Hi, Eugene:
As for the Mutantes third LP, A Divina Comédia Humana ou Ando Meio Desligado (1970), the line up is (as much as I could research):
Rita Lee _ Vocals, effects.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista - Vocals, Bass, Organ, Piano, effects.
Sérgio Dias Baptista - Guitars, vocals, voice box.
Guests:
Ronaldo Leme (Dinho) - Drums
Arnolpho Lima Filho (Liminha) - Bass (2, 4, 6 & 7)
Nana Vasconcelos - Percussion (1, 4)
Raphael Vilardi - backing vocals (6), acoustic guitar (8)
Rogério Duprat - Orchestral arrangements.
Best regards
Tarcísio Moura
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 10:08
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Thanks both Uwe and Tarcísio!
1. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol times are updated.
2. A Divina Comedia... line-up information is updated.
3. Mutantes line-up:
a) Liminha's credit is deleted (we always can add him back if there will be revealed new facts);
b) Ze Do Rancho and Mariazinha case will be taken up with the Errors & Omissions Team.
Eugene
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:23
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../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4984 - Technicolor Album name is Tecnicolor according with the cover art 1. Panis Et Circenses (2:13) 2. Bat Macumba (3:19) 3. Virginia (3:25) 4. She's My Shoo Shoo (2:55) 5. I Feel A Little Spaced Out (2:53) 6. Baby (3:39) 7. Tecnicolor (3:57) 8. El Justiciero (3:54) 9. I'm Sorry Baby (2:44) 10. Adeus Maria Fulo (2:42) 11. Le Premier Bonheur Du Jour (2:49) 12. Saravá (3:00) 13. Panis Et Circenses (Reprise) (1:24) Total Time: 38:54 - Arnolpho Lima Filho / bass - Rita Lee / keyboards, vocals - Arnaldo Dias Baptista / keyboards, vocals - Ronaldo Leme / percussion, drums - Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitar, vocals ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 20:58
Hi, Rivertree: It´s interesting to see the line up for this CD that was released more than 20 years after it was recorded! The line up, according to my sources, is correct. However, it seems that the label made the mistake to include Rita Lee as playing keyboards. At that time she was mainly a singer and it´s unlikely that she ever played anything more than the occasional percussion up to then. Anyway, thanks for the help to fulfill so many gaps in their discography. Best regards Tarcísio Moura |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 22:06
Ok, but what to do with this CD/DVD release?
 It's official: Mutantes Ao Vivo - Barbican 2006 ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 22:56
HI, Guigo: How are you? This DVD/CD is quite controvertial, isn´t it? I did not see it yet, just saw one of their numbers on TV. It´s valid, I think. At least the two brothers are on board. But I don´t think that magic can be capture again. What do you think? Obviously it has to be included in their discography. Best regards Tarcísio. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 23:04
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Hi, Tarcisio!
IMO it shall be added (even being controvertial). The matter is I did not find any information in English to make available here to the Discographies Team.
I may be heretic now but considering the flamboyant career of Rita Lee in the last 30 years I'm tasting wholeheartedly this return, even with Zelia Duncan in the vocals. Well, I like Duncan's solo works much more than Lee's.  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 23:06
Let's see if I can show the cover now:
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 06:39
Just added to the database ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=14952 - Ao Vivo - Barbican Theatre Londres 2006 ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 06:52
Yes - I think you're right - Tarcisio - many thanks for the info. We should leave it as it is noticed by the label ... BTW - do you know why Sérgio is listed as Sérgio Dias and not Sérgio Dias Baptista on the cover of Ao Vivo Barbican Theatre? Maybe it is usual in Brazil to shorten names? Or do you judge it as a mistake? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 07:22
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1 Tecnicolor is updated.
2. I left the diacritics as they were typed originally (Uwe, your information doesn't contain diacritics, except for the track 12).
3. I removed the Portuguese translations of the English titles, but for the safety they are still written somewhere at a piece of paper at my table. Should they be maintained (in other words, were they a part of official track list)?
Eugene
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 07:48
 I have to be more careful - maybe it would be better a Bazilian member cares about this ...10. Adeus Maria Fulô (2:42)
Most of the sites I searched after you posted that notice are listing the tracks with Portuguese translations. So I think it would be better to give them a try once more ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 08:17
EDIT: "Desculpe Baby" is track 9, not 5 -- my fault. By the occasion, I've added also the track 5 Portuguese translation (I've taken it from the newly added album)...
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 09:17
Fine, buddies...
Some tips:
1. Sometimes a name is shortened Sergio Dias Baptista may appear as Sergio Dias or Sergio Baptista.
2. Baptista is the family name but the noun is actually writen "batista", that's the reason the 2 forms appear.
3. Also you may have Sérgio or Sergio.
My suggestion: leave the names as they are displayed in the CDs; even the artists, for several reasons, change their names.
Thanks! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 09:25
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Thanks, Guigo!
I'd prefer to stick with the original spelling (in case of Portuguese -- with the diacriticised one).
And I'd let Baptista to be a proper name, not a simple "material" noun...
Eugene
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 09:40
Cool...  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 19:36
HI, Eugene and Guigo: My mother used to have some of the Mutantes early albums and singles, and I remember their names being written Baptista on the writing credits. I think that Eugene is right to follow what's written on the LP or CD labels. But Guigo's information is also right,: Sérgio did shortened his name for Sérgio Dias in the band's latter day releases. He even named himself Sergio Dias for his solo CD in the 80's. I'll try to be very careful about this subject in future line ups. And I appreciate your respect for the artists wish to be named as they (or maybe, their recording company) wanted. Best regards Tarcísio |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 19:43
Hi, Rivertree: NO, it's not a mistake. As Guigo mentioned, Sérgio did shortened his name for Sérgio Dias on The Mutantes last albums, and so he kept it to this day. By the way, I read your review of Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol. Very good! My opinions about that album are very similar to yours. Good work. An thanks for your help to clarify the specifics of that particular album. I did not remember them. Best regards Tarcísio |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 09:31
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HI, Eugene:
I´m sending the Mutantes Line up for thier fourth CD, Jardim Elétrico (1971):
Rita Lee - Vocals, effects.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista - Keyboards, Vocals.
Sérgio Dias Baptista - Guitars, vocals.
Liminha - Bass.
Dinho - Drums.
Rogério Duprat is still credited as arranger, although his influence is almost gone about this time. It was the first time Liminha and Dinho were credit as full time members (see the back cover picture, a la Pink Floyd´s Ummagumma), even if the writing credits still put them apart , like their hit Top Top (credit as Mutantes/Liminha). Still, at this point they were a five piece.
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 10:05
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Thanks, Tarcisio!
Line-up is updated.
Track 3 title is changed from "Technicolor" to "Tecnicolor".
Some tracks on Jardim Eletrico and Tecnicolor are the same, yet both are listed as studio albums. It seems that one of them should be a compilation. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Eugene
EDIT: just read the review of Tecnicolor. Don't correct me, I was wrong. Both albums are studio ones. The last one contains different versions of the same songs.
But new question arises: whether it was right to change the track 3 title?
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 10:38
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../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4983 - Os Mutantes - Everything is Possible! Here we have some missing informations 1. Ando Meio Desligado (3:03) 2. Ave, Lúcifer (2:19) 3. Dia 36 (4:02) 4. Baby 1971 (3:40) 5. Fuga No II (3:41) 6. Cantor De Mambo (4:38) 7. Adeus Maria Fulô (3:06) 8. Desculpe, Babe (2:51) 9. El Justiciero (3:54) 10. Panis E Circenses (3:38) 11. A Minha Menina (4:41) 12. Bat Macumba (3:09) 13. Le Premier Bonheur Du Jour (3:36) 14. Baby 1968 (3:00) Total Time: 49:18 - Rita Lee / vocals - Arnaldo Dias Baptista / keyboards, bass, vocals - Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitars, vocals - Ronaldo Leme / drums - Raphael Vilardi / guitar, vocals - Dirceu / drums - Liminha / bass, guitar - Jorge Ben / guitar, vocals - Naná Vasconcelos / percussion ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 17:09
HI, /eugene:
According to my sources, the name of both the CD and the song is Technicolor. I never heard they spelled it differently, so I assume it might be a printing mistake. And about the same songs, yes, the CD Technicolor was to be released internationaly and when it failed to do so, the group pick up three of the songs and rerecorded them in Brazil with some changes.
Í did not understand what you meant about the track 3 title.
Regards
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 17:11
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Apparently we have some double information here:
Probably they wanted the 10 letters to separate equally TECNI & COLOR. Soundchaser shows "Tecnicolor":
http://www.soundchaser.com.br/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5162 - http://www.soundchaser.com.br/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5162
Cliquemusic too:
http://cliquemusic.uol.com.br/artistas/artistas.asp?Status=DISCO&Nu_Disco=2948 - http://cliquemusic.uol.com.br/artistas/artistas.asp?Status=DISCO&Nu_Disco=2948 ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 09 2007 at 18:23
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HI, Guigo:
Yes, I saw the cover only recently. Still, in their biography, both title and song is written Technicolor. It´d be great to ask one of the Mutantes what was the original idea, wouldn´t it? I really don´t know. You guys decide
 Best regards
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 11:52
Everything is possible for us, mutantes... 
Everything Is Possible by Os Mutantes is updated. Thanks, Uwe!
BTW, this album is stated as a studio album -- is it right? I see, once again, some familiar track titles here...
Guigo and Tarcisio:
For a while I prefer to stick with the spelling of the album cover. There may be errors in printed information, mostly in tracks titles, but it is very unlikely that the main title will be printed with an error.
By track 3 title I meant the question of whether it is "Tecnicolor" or "Technicolor".
Eugene
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 11:58
I've changed it to the type Boxset/Compilation - Eugene Also preparing some new 200 x 200 px pictures  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 13:07
Have found another cover art for Tecnicolor maybe this link can also help http://durango-95.blogspot.com/2006/06/hystria-volta-dos-mutantes_26.html - http://durango-95.blogspot.com/2006/06/hystria-volta-dos-mutantes_26.html ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 13:08
HI, Eugene:
Ok, you´re right. If Tecnicolor is written on the cover, the album title should remain that way when refering to the album´s name. However, I stil think that the name for the song is Technicolor. At least this is the way it is written in all my sources.
Best regards
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 13:26
 ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4978 - Jardim Elétrico  ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4979 - E seus cometas no país do Baurets  ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4983 - Os Mutantes - Everything Is Possible!  ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4984 - Tecnicolor ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 13:40
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HI, again, Eugene:
For the album Mutantes e Seus Cometas No País dos Aburets (1972), the line up is:
Rita Lee _ Vocals, Moog.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista - Keyboards, Vocals.
Sérgio Dias Baptista - Guitars, Vocals, Sitar.
Liminha - Bass.
Dinho - Drums.
This was the last album Rita Lee would play with them before she was sacked from the band.
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 14:26
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Covers are updated. Line-up for the 1972 album is updated. Thanks both Uwe and Tarcísio! |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 14:40
1. Isn't the current cover good enough?
2. How can this link help? (I don't say it can't, I just don't know how...)
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 10 2007 at 17:20
just for the decision to name the album Technicolor or Tecnicolor, Eugene. The great majority of the sources are listing the album with the name Tecnicolor. There is existing one review from this album and the reviewer refers to the 'fact' that the album was renamed from Technicolor to Tecnicolor - maybe this is the one and only truth ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 00:21
Yes, Uwe -- both covers say Tecnicolor.
The only question is the title of the track with the same name. Tarcisio says his sourse calls it "Technicolor", as it appears currently in PA relevant pages.
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 08:23
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HI, Eugene:
Well, Fot the next Mutantes CD, O A E O Z (recorded em 1973, but only released in 1992) the line up is:
Arnaldo Dias Baptista: Keyboards, Vocals
Sérgio Dias Baptista: Guitars, vocals, sitar.
Liminha: Bass, Vocals.
Dinho: Drums, Percussion.
Cheers
Tarcísio
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 08:41
In fact this album has the line-up, including the correct instruments they played (which keyboards and guitars, for example). The line-up as stated in the cd booklet is: - Arnaldo Baptista / mellotron, hammond organ, hohner clavinet, cello and vocals - Sérgio Dias / régulus guitars, fender stratocaster, 12-string acoustic guitar, sitar, vocals - Liminha / bass, acoustic guitar, vocals - Dinho Leme / drums, tabla, vocals |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 09:18
For me it makes no sense to have a title track which differs to the album title. It is terribly confusing  this link offers the lyrics and contains both versions of the title http://mutantes.letras.terra.com.br/letras/272038/ - TECNICOLOR letra (Mutantes)  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 09:43
HI, Uwe:
Sorry, I disagree. I don´t think ti is that confusing. One letter is not that important. Usually I folow what the label ays. And so far I havnt seen the CD. On the other hand all my sources say it is Technicolor. It´s a matter of choice, really. I tend to think like /eugene. The song is the same, and it will remain the same (excuse the pun!) regardless of the title, much less a single letter.
Best regards
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 09:49
HI, Akin:
You´re right. Since I don´t have the CD booklet I simplified it (it was better than to leave with nothing like it was in PA). Thanks for giving the detailed line up and instruments played! All help is wlecome.
Best wishes
Tarcísio Moura
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 14:06
Hmmh - my problem is I'm not satisfied with cases which are not solved.  But I agree, Tarcísio - it's not that important - there are other things to care about ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 16:21
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 18:47
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So...
The line-up for O "A" E O "Z" is updated. Thanks both akin and Tarcisio! By the way, the first track is called " "A" E O "Z" ", is it right? Shouldn't it be similar to the album's title?
Covers are updated. Thanks, Uwe!
About the "Tec(h?)nicolor" track now... I agree with Uwe that the difference between the album title and the track title is non-sensical. But, we learn from the single review we have that the album title was changed from Technicolor to Tecnicolor. What we doesn't learn from this review, is whether the track title was changed or not. Therefore, by the "presumption of innocence", we may suppose that the track title remained with an "h" in it.
Eugene
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 18:57
Hi, Uwe:
I understand. It annoys me too. /still I think we have bigger issues concerning their records. Anyway, I respect people like you, who are of great help. And Akin, who gave me a big help with the O A E O Z line up. It is almost over, thank god
.Cheers
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 11 2007 at 18:58
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Fellows,
To have the album titled "Tecnicolor" and the track titled "Technicolor" is probably a typical Mutantes joke! They were crazy (and still are) and in this case, follow your common sense (and CDs information, indeed).  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 12 2007 at 09:42
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HI, Eugene:
As for the Line up for the Mutants Ao Vivo (1976), here it is:
Sérgio Dias - Guitars, Lead Vocals.
Luciano Alves - Keyboards, vocals.
Paul De Castro - Bass, Violin, Vocals
Rui Motta - Drums, vocals.
Best wishes
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 07:15
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Hi, Eugene:
And to top it all, I´d like to send the line up for the single Cavaleiros Negros (1976).
Sérgio Dias - Guitars, Lead Vocals.
Antonio Pedro Medeiros - Bass, vocals.
Túlio Mourão - Keyboards, vocals.
Rui Motta - Drums, percussion, vocals.
Well, I think this copletes their discography, at least their major releases.
Best regards
TArcísio
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 09:45
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With thanks to Akim for the help on the last one!
Cheers buddy!
TArcísio Moura
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 14:05
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Hi, Tarcísio!
1. Ao Vivo line-up is added, thanks.
2. There is a single called Cavaleiros Negros / Tudo Bem / Balada Do Amigo here in PA, is this what you mean?
Its line-up looks currently like:
- Sergio Dias / guitars & vocals
- Rui Motta / drums - Paul de Castro / bass - Luciano / vocal ... Is this line-up wrong? If it is, I'll replace it with the one you have posted. There's no problem with that -- I just want to be sure not to erase any useful information.
3. I repeat one of my questions -- in album O "A" E O "Z" the first track appears currently as " "A" E O "Z" ". Is this right? Shouldn't it be similar to the title of the album?
Thanks in advance.
Eugene
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 14:44
Hi, Eugene:
Yes, you´re right. The title of the Cd is " O A E O Z" but the first track is listed as "A" e o "Z". I don´t realy know why, maybe it was just a joke, although in portuguese those two titles mean just the same.
About the single the confusion is very common. The single Cavaleiros Negos/Tudo Bem/Balada Do Amigo was released around the time of their Live album, but it was recorded quite before that, since it has the same line up as the band who playes on Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol. I too thought it had the personell the live LP of 1976, but this is not the case. When Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol was rereleased as CD, the single was added as bonus tracks and it featured the original single cover on the booklet, which credits the same musicians as the LP, thus leaving little doubt of who played on it. Thanks to Akim, who owns the CD, for the information!
Best regards
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 14:58
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Great, Tarcísio!
Thank you very much for the clarification.
The line-up of the single is updated now.
By the way, what live album do you refer to? Ao Vivo (1976)? It is stated as a studio album currently...
Eugene
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 09:54
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HI, Eugene:
Ao vivo (1976) is a live album, but it has only new, unreleased, songs on it. At the time the budget given to the band for the recording was so low they decided to record the album live to cut the expenses. They were never satisfied with the results - a lot of solos and jams were cut by the producer - but there were nothing they could do.
I think a lot of people guess it must be a studio album due to the fact that there are only new songs on it, but iti is in fact live (see the cover shots).
Best regards
Tarcísio
I think the
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 19 2007 at 15:01
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By the way, Ao vivo in portuguese means Live. In case you did not figure that already
Tarcísio
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 01:08
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Of course I figured that. It was quite apparent...
The case of this album is a peculiar one. It was recorded live, but it wasn't intended to be a live show.
Well, I shall change the status to "Live", but it always can be changed back...
Eugene
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 10:00
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HI, Eugene:
Yes, this is a peculiar case, but I agree it should be changed to a live album category, even if it was no intend to be one.
Anyway, I guess with that we are done here about the Mutantes discography. I think all errors and omissions, as far as I can see now, were rectified. I should thank you for your patience and hard work, and everybody else who helped along the way specially Akim, Rivertree and Atkingani for their invaluable information and add ons (you made it all much easier for me!).
Best wishes
Tarcísio Moura
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 10:08
Thanks in turn, Tarcísio, for all the information you've brought!  It was very helpful.
...plus I earned some additional knowledge about Portuguese...
Which band is next?
 Eugene
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 19:04
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HI, Eugene: You are welcome! I do~´t know which band is next, but if you have any trouble with it that I can help, or some difficulty with the language, just send me a message. It´ll be a pleasure to give a hand any time. And congratulations for the good and quick work done. Best regards Tarcísio
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: April 20 2007 at 19:22
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Thanks, Tarcísio!!!
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