Edenbridge falls victim to witchhunt
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Topic: Edenbridge falls victim to witchhunt
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Subject: Edenbridge falls victim to witchhunt
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 15:32
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Hi, folks: It is my sad duty to say ProgArchives is not the same anymore. Recently I tried to included band Edenbridge in PA. To the rest fo the world they are known as a Prog metal band. I thought to bring them in would be a piece of cake, since it was quite obvious to anyone who heard their CDs that they deserve a place in this site. Unfortunatly this is not so. The band was not considered prog metal, the explanations I got were not really convincing, unless you take a `Not prog enough` as a complete and detailed answer. But, anyway, I still thought there was enough open minded people in other departments here to include them as maybe Art Rock or, at the very least, prog related. Nope! Believe it or not, Edenbridge was simply rejected. One might wonder why they did that, since there are already dozens of bands included here that I would never ever labeled them as prog. Or anyone I know. But I don´t mind, never did. Prog music is a wide concept and that is (or was) the beauty in prog archives. There was room for everybody. In my 30+ years of loving prog music I found progressive relations in pop, jazz, blues, folk and so forth . So, to me, PA policies were just right. Unfortunatly it seems that things are changing and there is a purge going on. Some people deciding some things are not "prog enough" and, consequently, not good for ProgArchives. What are the new parameters of what´s `really progressive´? A mystery. No information given (are they classified?). Are the purists winning over the liberals? (I guess so!) Edenbridge was unluckly caught in the middle of this witchhunt. A few months ago it would be included here easily. I know, it was nothing personal, just bad timing... But this is not what worries me the most. I wonder how many more have been and will be rejected right away. And then, what comes next, since many, many groups already included here are not... prog enough? Will they be just ignored like skeletons on their closets? Or cut off from PA? And if they do, how that will be accomplished? Will they be eliminated quietly during the still of the night and no explanations given? One day you wake up and they´re gone forever. Or will they burn them at the stake for all to see? Oh, I´m really sorry. Maybe I was too naive to believe it would last. Excuse me, but that´s how things start to go downhill. When a few people decides what´s good for the rest. It seems we have some guardians deciding to purge this site from what may be a threat to the purity of the holy progressive church. And we did not know it! PA became great for what it was liberal, generous, open minded. I learned a lot here and I´m really thankful. Still, I don´t like and fear the way things are going now. Respectfully Tarcísio B. Moura |
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 16:16
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I know that there has been some backlash because of recent additions, but I do not see a connection here. As always, we evaluate each band on its own merits. If Edenbridge was rejected, then the Teams must not have felt they belong here. I don't think this is a sign of anything, other than your opinion being different than that of several other people.
I noticed that in almost a year's time, you haven't posted very much. Perhaps if you participated more in the forum discussions, you might get a better idea of what the consensus is around here. You also might find out more about how the collaborators do their work. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 16:57
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Hi, Bhikkhu: Thanks for your opinion. I tried very hard to talk my reasons and even opened a forum about it. Unfortunatly the explanations I got were, mostly, dreadful, including one by a so called ´specialist´. Maybe he did not have enough time to go on long explantions, I don´t know. All my arguments fell to deaf ears. I´d love to hear a conving answer to why this band could not be included here. At least one! If something´s really going on is anyone´s guess, like me others think the same way. I thought they judgement was unfair, and I still do. Specially for not include them in any category (and there are many!). PA is the only place I know that does not consider Edenbridge a ProgMetal band. Even though they have all the characteristics to fill that spot. That´s what really amazes me. Best wishes Tarcísio Moura |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:13
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Considering that Lanvall is here, I don't see why they shouldn't, even though I dislike them. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:14
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I can't imagine why you think there would be a "witchhunt" going on. The prog-metal team know their stuff and must have had their reasons for deciding this band isn't suitable for inclusion. Interestingly I've just Googled "Edenbridge" and everyone seems to have them down as a "metal" band but there is no mention of "prog-metal". Sometimes you have to accept that not everyone has the same opinions as you. |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:17
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Hello, Kotro: Yes, I agree. I forgot about that. That´s even incoherent. thanks for your opinion. Cheers Tarcísio Moura |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:32
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Am I alone in getting totally fed up with this kind of childish reaction to NOT GETTING YOUR OWN WAY? I am beginning to lose count of the times I have read an insinuation that seems to imply that certain individuals are working in the background making dodgy decisions for their own ends or for some unexplained and unfathomable reason. Enough! There are no witch hunts and quite frankly I think that we need to address this kind of attack officially in the rules. How dare you make such a casually insulting and derogatory remark!
It is perfectly OK to suggest that a mistake has been made, even accuse people of being incompetent (as long as you give very good reasons) but to suggest that some kind of impropriety has taken place, some nefarious blocking of certain bands or type of bands is totally unacceptable.
To be perfectly frank, I personally dont want people like you on this forum, but luckily for you and your type its not about what I want. You are the kind of egocentric ingrate that will ultimately be the ruin of this wonderful website.
47 year old psychologist eh? I give in.....Edenbridge prey to a witch hunt. Very mature.
You familiar with the word "libel"?
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 17:35
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Hi, chopper: Thanks for writing. I do know a lot of people don´t agree with me and I respect that. I just wanted a GOOD, valid reason Edenbridge can´t be here. I got none so far, even from the prog metal specialists. I have good reasons to think there is a witch hunt (purge is really a better and more fitting word, I agree) )going on, but again, that´s my opinion. A lot of people told me I should go on and write the biography. Everyboidy I know, here and elsewhere supported the simple vision that they should be here. Either as prog metal, art rock or even prog related. But they do have prog elements in their music. Certainly a lot more than pop bands like 10cc and straight heavy metal groups like Triumph. And I like them both. Best wishes Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:02
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I would suggest you re-read the responses from the prog-metal team in your previous rant, sorry I mean thread, http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33292&PID=2342499 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33292&PID=2342499 The responses from MikeEnRegalia and The Progtologist seem pretty clear to me. As Jody says, it was a unanimous rejection. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:14
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Interesting that you think so, Tarcisio, but that's nothing more than an unfounded feeling. I have exactly the opposite feeling: Too much metal is accepted in here which does not really deserve the name "prog". Now who of us is right? Having said that: I am still waiting for Echo City (featuring Guy Evans of Van der Graaf Generator; one of the most avantgarde bands there are) to be added, or Cosmic Explosion (a krautrock all-star band). It seems though that both the Experimental and the Krautrock team have to do overtime. The albums of Cosmic Explosion are no longer available, by the way; they were limited pressings of a few thousand only. Both Echo City and Cosmic Explosion were suggested at least half a year ago. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:19
Dear Tony R: Yes, I know what it means. I am really sorry if I upset you. That was not my intention, neither was to offend anybody in this site. As I wrote in my post and you should read it, I really love PA, I learned a lot here, and I am very grateful for many things. For weeks I did not know if I should post my opinion or not. I tried very hard to be heard, to talk to everyone I could about this subject matter. And got no feedback. Yes, I am hurt and I think It was an unfair decision. I only voiced mine and some people´s opinion. As you said, I´m not the only one. There´s been a lot of talking lately. I can be wrong, ok. Call me naive to think I could speak this out. It would be a lot easier for me to shut up and keep my suspicions to myself. But I thought I should speak my mind, that this could be done, since I tell no names and I try to be respectful to everyone. If I failed on this subject I can´t do anything but to apologise. But I really thought someone had to speak about this subject, even if it stinks. A democractic site should not fear or hate a sincere opinion. If you think that expelling me and others from the forum (or the site, for the matter) is the solution, then you´re only cofirming our suspicions. I let myself be crucified because I want to voice what I fear. I know it won´t score many points to a lot of people. But, please, don´t say this is some personal attack. It is not. This is a question. It was painful to write it. I urge people to stop hatemail and write to the forum to tell whatever they think. Even at the risk of a great misunderstanding it´s better to say it out loud and got an answer than to fear being criticised. I really wish I´m wrong all the way. Long live Progahcives Respectfully Tarcísio B. Moura |
Tony R wrote:Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:30
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[QUOTE=BaldFriede]Interesting that you think so, Tarcisio, but that's
nothing more than an unfounded feeling. I have exactly the opposite
feeling: Too much metal is accepted in here which does not really
deserve the name "prog". Now who of us is right? Having said that: I am still waiting for Echo City (featuring Guy Evans of Van der Graaf Generator; one of the most avantgarde bands there are) to be added, or Cosmic Explosion (a krautrock all-star band). It seems though that both the Experimental and the Krautrock team have to do overtime. The albums of Cosmic Explosion are no longer available, by the way; they were limited pressings of a few thousand only. Both Echo City and Cosmic Explosion were suggested at least half a year ago. [/QUOTE Hello Baldfried: Thanks for writing. I really hope I´m wrong. But certainly I´d love to get some better feedback next time someone tries to include some new band. I see your point and to be quite frankly, I think there´s also too much bands here there I could never call them prog, but I´d rather have more non prog bands in PA than to see some that deserved to be here left out. I really hope that both bands you cite will be featured on PA soon. I never heard of them both and I thank you for talking about them, since I love to hear new stuff, I´ll be looking forward to get them. best wishes Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:36
What hatemail?
I am sorry but this is just trollish behaviour nothing else.
Some kind of excercise in psychology? You are being criticised for behaving like a spoilt child, not for expressing an opinion.
Enough.
Case closed. Deal with it.
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:40
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Yes, that´s really what scares me. I don´t agree, much less was I
convinced. I still wonder if we are talking about the same band at all.
To call Edenbridge a straight power metal band is... well, I don´t want
to go any further, all I say is that I can´t think of one heavy
metal fan who will agree with that remark. Read my replies to them. best wishes Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:41
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I seem to side with Tarcisio on this one. Not having heard any of the music mentioned it seems a bad case of miscommunication. It also appears to me that maybe Tarcisio feels he did not get an explanation about why they were rejected from PA. From reading hte posts of this and the other thread started by Tarcisio I do not see a reason given for why they were rejected. It seems to be comparing bands and saying its almost prog but not prog with any backing u of the opinion or specific examples. And Tony's post "You are the kind of egocentric ingrate that will ultimately be the ruin of this wonderful website." is a bit over the top I might add. Of course it makes sense why he would answer like that with all the stuff he deals with being an admin after all. It just seems to be a confusing mess that has been made here. Also notice that the title of this thread doesn't help much. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:48
what on earth are you rambling on about?
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33292&PID=2342499 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33292&PID=2342499
From time to time certain members appear whose only agenda here is to get a certain band "added" as a Prog band. This time its Edenbridge, in the past it has been others. These people post pages and pages of type demanding a rethink, a recount or that their "single" opinion is more weighty than a team of experts.
In plain language what our friend here is doing is either having a tantrum or trolling us.
Trust me.
 It happens lots of times. Even your post supporting him and mentioning how everyone is being mean to him. That happens all the time too. Nobody seems to TRUST us when we say that the band has been given a fair hearing and been FAIRLY rejected.
This guy will move on. Someone else will take his place and another naive poster will jump to his defence.
Its the circle of life,ProgArchives style.
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:50
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Dear mr R: Well, if expressing my thoughts is acting like a child, then I am one. I´m really sorry for giving such a bad impression. I´ll try to deal with it. Best regards Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:53
Your inability to accept that your request has failed IS childish, as is your opening post. Childish and very insulting.
My final post on this. If you wish to continue this charade in private feel free to PM me.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:53
I did read that thread Tony. And I did say I seem to side with Tarcisio. Not fully but seem. And after rereading the thread (this one and the other one) I can see some things I didn't notice before. I do trust you Tony. Oh well I'll just leave this thread and move on to other things. Hopefully other people can do this too. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 18:54
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http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1843 - http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1843 no slight against yourself or the specialists here but I side with the opinions of a metal site when concerning prog metal. the archives themselves do not consider Edenbridge metal so I'm forced to agree. Do try to understand that this isn't a witchhunt but a mere difference of opinion. edit: please try to ignore the heavyhanded mods who feel the need to interject the same opinions multiple times into the thread to the detriment of reasonable discussion. it's a curse the world over. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 19:08
Hello Laplace: Thansk for your opinion. But really I can´t agree. Since the very first time I heard this band they were considered prog metal. They do have both prog and metal elements.But my concerns are not only mine, they are of many people who had the same opinions but were afraid to say it in fear of what some people would react. Given some of the feedback I got today I guess they were quite right. But someone had to do it.. I´ll be very glad if I´m wrong. I still believe in democratic discussions and that we can learn a lot from it. Best wishes Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 19:11
Sorry, but it's not the way the band plays... 
I've been in touch with Tarcisio since he registered here and we have exchanged several e-mails related to the most varied issues, including some very uplifting during the last Brazilian presidential elections. I appreciate our contact via e-mail and I consider him a good internet friend with a great chance to become a real friend.
Anyway, that said, I disagree deeply with his statement here and the way things were said/writen. It's more than natural that a band should be submitted for adding and since those that evaluate these bands are human beings with their personal tastes and knowledge, they may reject the band, and I say wholeheartedly that the rejection isn't biased or have any sense of revenge, or whatever. It's only a matter of tastes and knowledge! Once a band is rejected it doesn't mean the road is closed for them, with more information it is possible to re-submit the band again, and in some cases they are added (Split Enz, is a good example).
On the other side, the submitter should understand these cases and go for a new round, all inside the existing rules and guides. The complaining, if necessary, should be done in the same terms, not needing to call for a witchhunt or similar feature. I had 4 bands/artists that were rejected by the genre teams, and I'm quite sure they are much more prog than Edendrige: 14-Bis, Karnak, Cordel do Fogo Encantado, Egberto Gismonti (I'm sure that Tarcísio will agree with me) and I have one other submission still under evaluation: Wirmann & Vogel (members of Quaterna Réquiem - a very very very prog band). I could simply add them but I considered other people's opinion and I left things the way they are, maybe trying to submit them in another opportunity.
Should I complain about a witchhunt? No, of course. I played according the rules, the genre teams also. That's how things run here: no hidden cards, no bad feelings, no revenge actions. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 19:32
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man almighty.. people need to get a grip.... accusations and recriminations are flying around this site these days... next thing..hahahah..... I'll be accused of working in the background making 'dodgy decisions for their own ends or for some unexplained and unfathomable reason'. Not that anyone in a stable rational frame of mind would ever think that. As a member of the Art Rock team that rejected Edenbridge... it sounded like power metal to me... and that has no place here in Art Rock.. or IMO ProgArchives. Nothing personal.. or underhanded about it. It wasn't even bad music... just not prog IMO and the teams opinion. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 19:45
Dear Micky: It is only sad that it takes a forum like this to get some simple answers like yours as to why the band was rejected. I got no feedback at all as to whether they were approved or not as an Art Rock was not for a friend who told me that in a PM. You just wait and wait. We are left on our own. And even if you do have a forum about it you may not get at least a convincing reason. Oh, man, it was much easier some time ago... But I guess those times are over. Thanks anyway, MIcky. Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 20:43
sorry ... we just do the best we can.. and call them as we see them. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 02:23
Show me just one other big prog website that says they're prog ... Maybe you should consider a career in politics? You're really good at "bending" reality.  BTW: You're welcome to become a member of my website anytime ... there you can tag Edenbridge as "Prog".  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 02:39
For the record: I never said that they were a "straight" Power Metal band ... but the prog elements which their music undoubtedly contains are simply not enough for me to "recommend" their inclusion. If you take any of their albums and compare it to any Rhapsody album, you'll find that the Rhapsody album is much more complex in songwriting and arrangement. And Rhapsody is a band which is under constant attack or criticism in the archives ... On my website I have 6 steps of progressiveness: 0: Not progressive 20%: Slightly progressive 40%: Moderately progressive (Prog-Related) 60%: Progressive 80%: Very progressive 100%: Extremely progressive In all honesty Edenbridge - for me - are well below the 40% mark ... and Rhapsody are right between the 40% and 60%, it depends on whether the mere combination of classical music and power metal is progressive to you or not. If not, then you could even say that Rhapsody are not progressive at all - it's all a question of how you define prog. So: If a metal band with a female, semi-operatic vocalist, strings and the occasional time signature change is prog to you, then so is Edenbridge. To me it is "just" symphonic metal, which can be highly enjoyable too. "Not prog" does not mean that it's bad! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 02:45
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 02:50
Then simply post a list of websites which consider them to be prog metal, so we can see for ourselves. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 03:51
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Here are some samples I've found "Edenbridge is a band from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria - Austria , specializing in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_metal - symphonic metal , with minor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-classical_metal - neo-classical metal sounds in some songs." (Wikipedia) "Austrian symphonic metal band http://rocksirens.com/bands/edenbridge/ - Edenbridge have signed to Napalm Records, http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=61587 - according to Blabbermouth.net ." (rocksirens.com) "This band is the best female fronted power metal band. ..." (last.fm) "Sabine has quite a beautiful voice. It's kind of different from the other female-fronted metal bands" (amazon.com) No mention of the p word there. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 03:52
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 05:09
Dear Mike: Thanks for your answer. I never said you said that. Someone else did, but please, I´m not telling any names. I should point out that you were really respectful all the time. I surely don´t agree with your statement, but I´m glad you gave me a complete explanation now. I did not know it was a matter of how much prog. I though, maybe incorrectly, that a band that had such elements should be here. As long as some other metal bands, who has much less progressive characteristics are here (like Triumph, to name just one) I thought it would be only fair to include them also. I do regret using the word witch hunt, it was quite a mistake, I believe. Maybe I should use the word purge, since I think there IS a change and some bands are being rejected now, whereas some time ago they´d be easily welcomed in. Best regards Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 05:20
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 05:41
Thanks! I did not take your comments personally, and I didn't think you were referring to me (I know who you were referring to though). What you need to understand is that the prog metal team was created at a time when many controversial bands were already in the database. Rhapsody, Nightwish, Triumph ... these are bands which most of us consider to be borderline prog at best ... they're certainly not suitable as a point of reference when judging new additions. Like I said above: I invite you to create an account at PROGtology.com - there the progressiveness of bands is determined by a majority vote ... it's all 100% democratic. I'm not saying that it's a better approach - it's simply different. And on your user page the bands will be listed with the genre that *you* assigned - so you can show people how you see the world of prog (and beyond). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 06:03
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Hi, Mike: Thanks a lot for your explanation and the invitation. I´ll be visiting the site soon. I really like the way you let people categorisize the band. I think it is a great idea. Tarcísio Moura. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 09:14
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I am stunned by this.What a petty,juvenile reaction.In the Edenbridge thread we explained to you why they were rejected,and you were very gracious and civil with your responses.Now you hit us with this?
Mike can speak for himself but I personally am pretty mad.Not offended....but MAD.That you call the integrity of not only the PMT but the specialist teams in general into question is way out of line.
Quite frankly,this is a case of you not getting your way and throwing a fit,and I am sick of this kind of behavior.Not only from you but from quite a few other people here.We work extremely hard here(in our FREE TIME),and some people perform more than one duty.
Most of the time the work the PMT does is ignored.The only time we are even noticed is when someone has a complaint with a band we added,or one we didn't add.
No one EVER makes a thread or sends us a message congratulating us on a job well done.I don't need a pat on the back but people like you and the other haters here are pretty de-motivating. -------------  |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 09:18
I am tired of the PMT getting this kind of flack for working TOO HARD.
I will not be made to feel guilty or get critisized because we consistently do our job. ------------- |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 09:19
| Maybe it would be better to close this thread to prevent further angry feelings among members? I think the issue has been discussed enough. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 09:36
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It just seems weird that a refusal to include a band should be taken so personal by the one who submitted the band. I mean, do you want the band to be included on PA because you think THEY deserve it or because you think YOUR submisson should be included ? Big difference.
Lately I suggested The Police to be included in prog related and 100% of the people who answered in the thread didn't agree. Did I cry out sacrilege ? Of course not ! It's not because I feel that a band should be included that everyone else thinks the same way, everyone is entitled to their opinions (especially people from different prog teams and band inclusion teams, who do a mighty fine job by the way, here's a clappie for you all
 ) and each and everyone of us needs to respect others opinions. Debating is one thing, trying to impose one's will upon the mass is another. Do not forget that we form a community on PA, and in order for that community to function and grow properly, we need more RESPECT.Peace to all !
Eric aka Melomaniac ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 11:33
It´s not really the case of getting things done my way. If so, I would never write, since I am very aware that saying what I said killed any chances for the band to be included. Ok, fine, maybe I have used the wrong words, maybe I was too heavy handling my thoughts. But I do too felt mad since we do write our bands biography, do everything in our hands to have them in PA and what do we get back? Nothing. Unless you start a threat and make some stir you are ignored, the band rejected, and no explanations given. I think a lot of this misunderstanding could be avoided if only some decent information could be delivered to the ones concerned. Having said that, yes, I think it´s time to shut down this threat. I thank everyone who wrote me and the site for the oportunity to bring this subject on. I´d like to apoligise profusely for the harsh and wrong words, claims and if everyone felt insulted, I ask forgiveness. I owe this site a lot and never wanted to bring any trouble to it. I keep my critics to the new policies. I will not bring any more polemics to this forum or this site in the future. Thanks for the attention Respectfully Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 11:35
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I have spoken to Tarcisio private, and he sincerely regrets the way his original post and heading was phrased. I believe he will post here shortly. on that basis.
I think this can be seen as an isolated error of judgement.
I am conscious that we should never seek to stifle healthy debate, and would emphasise here that the only issue is the way the thread was slanted, not in the member saying that in his view the decisions were wrong.
I'll leave the thread open to allow TM to post.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 11:42
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Seriously, what on Earth is the point of this thread? Ok, you think a band is Prog and some other people do not. I don't see the problem. Opinions will always differ - live with it. This is only a website, it doesn't matter whether it lists a certain band as Prog or not, you are still free to view the band as Prog in real life regardless of what this particular set of 0's and 1's says, no need to get rude. Also, I don't think the band themselves care a bit about what this site does or doesn't label them as, so why should you? I suggest spending your time doing something more useful than behaving silly on the internet. |
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 11:53
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I thank everyone who wrote me and to the site for the opportunity to bring this subject on. I´d like to apologise profusely for the harsh and wrong words and claims and if anyone felt insulted, I ask forgiveness. I owe this site a lot and never wanted to bring any trouble to it or anyone involved. I keep my critics to the new policies. I will not bring any more polemics to this forum or this site in the future. Thanks for the attention Respectfully Tarcísio B. Moura |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:00
I hear you Jody. You guys work very hard, and do not have an open door policy on metal bands. This case proves it. I know you are constantly pressured for additions, and you do your best to evaluate the candidates. The PM Team's integrity should not be in question. So, clappies to the Metal Men. 
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:04
| Reading this thread makes me realize that the site is going wrong way. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:12
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^ you think posts like this one improve things? Please be more specific.
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:15
In the big scheme of things, who cares if they get added? Life goes on. I am pretty sad at all of this.  The site gets bigger every day and has to be getting to the point of being unwieldy. How the people behind the scenes keep it going while bringing new bands and features online is underappreciated by most of the regular users. So the the people who keep it running and work hard on additions, hats off.
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:21
Well, sometimes it improves, when the person that did something in a bad way thinks about what he has done. Anyway it is not the case with you, Mike, but there are people abusing in offensive contents without a good reason. And people who are not newbies. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:39
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For myself, I know that I come at these things all guns blazing but one of the things I value more than anything else is my integrity. If someone directly or indirectly doubts my integrity (and it is inextricably linked to the reputation of the site, the conduct of its Admins and Collabs) then I will challenge them about it. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone expressing an opinion, or their disappointment with the direction of the site, policy or band admissions failures but let's not suggest that there is something more sinister going on,please.That's just plain rude. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 13:35
Many thanks Tarcísio, I'll close this thread now.
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