Camel’s Song Within a Song = underrated
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Topic: Camel’s Song Within a Song = underrated
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Subject: Camel’s Song Within a Song = underrated
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 10:33
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Anytime I hear someone mention Moonmadness I always hear "diasppointing
compared to the last 3" or "the only good piece is Lunar Sea". I
never hear any respect given to this piece. It has always been my
favorite Camel song and I love how each section and the emotional build
and crescendo. Respect this song and Moonmadness. ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 10:36
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I'm not a Camel expert, but Moonmadness is a great album and the song you mentioned is amazing. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 10:37
I agree 
Moonmadness as a whole is a fantastic must have! btw, Another album that I see that doenst get the credit it does is Rain Dances, my favorite if you can't tell  ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com"> 
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 10:38
| I only have Mirage and The Snow Goose and I think Camel is a little overrated. |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 10:48
Then I recommend you listen to the albums after them where their sound evolved. Snow Goose and Mirage don't show off Andy Latimer's musicianship as well as the later albums. Check out Moonmadness, Rain Dances, and Breathless ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com">
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Joren wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 11:10
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Azrael is right, IMO.. Latimers guitar talents only really come to the fore on subsequent albums. Mirage is a great album, but I think Moonmadness is even better. Its a real melodioc solo fest, brilliantly produced to give Latimers guitar work the clarity his solos deserve. As for 'Song within a song' I love that track! It took a while though. When I first heard it, I thought it sounded weak, but you soon spot its beauty. Moonmadness is my favourite camel album!
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 11:26
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I Love Moonmadness - Possibly my favourite Camel production too..........I love the opening track Aristillus..............IN fact this CD hasn't got a weak track on it - Just simply Marvellous ! AND UNDERRATED ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 11:36
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^ Yeah this is a great album and possibly my fave Camel record too.
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 12:12
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MOONMADNESS. It's my favourite Camel album. When it came out in 1976 I rated it higher than any Genesis album and I was a Genesis fanatic.The synth,Mellotron and guitar playing on that album is stunning.It was not off of my turntable for months. As a 16 year old (in 1976)many an evening was spent in my bedroom refining my tennis racket guitar solos to this album.  I didn't get out much then.Nothings changed.
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Eemu Ranta
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 12:28
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Must say that I can't pick my favourite between Camel's first 4 albums.
Actually I think they all are underrated, Moonmadness being nothing short of fantastic. They would certainly deserve a place up there with the big(gest) ones.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 12:54
| Doesn't look like the song or the album are underrated here - both are superb!! |
Posted By: starofsirius
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 13:09
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One of Camel's best albums. "Song within a Song" is such an amazing track too. ------------- "I'm in a freefall like a snowflake falling down down down down down." |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 13:15
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who cares about musicianship, the songwriting on The Snow Goose is damn near flawless I personally really enjoy moonmadnes and raindances, probably more than Mirage, Aaron |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 13:23
| After Mirage, their best album, both 4-5 stars. Rain dances appealed a little less to me, although it contains what I consider their best song (Tell me). |
Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 13:48
I completly agree, thought the snow goose doesnt show off what Latimer can really do, the songwriting itself is top notch! ------------- http://www.flywithjet.com">
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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: February 02 2005 at 00:57
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Actually, "Song Within a Song" is the piece of music that brought me to
Camel in the first place. I loved it the first time I ever heard it. Moonmadness remains one of my all time favorite prog albums. |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 02 2005 at 01:42
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Camel, in general, is quite an underrated band ... I think it's their understated style myself ... I have the first six Camel albums and they are full of wonderful songs ... some widely acknowledged like Lunar Sea and Supertwister ... some less so like Mystic Queen and (gulp) Down On The Farm ... I should confess though that despite containing some great music, The Snow Goose is the album I enjoy the least ... I rate em ... Mirage (by a country mile), Moonmadness, Rain Dances, Camel, Breathless and The Snow Goose |
Posted By: Fr3dMc
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 02:54
| oh yea song within a song rocks...the drums really do it for me..cool interlude too |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 03:37
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Man Erg wrote:
Fully agree 'Moonmadness'..Hey man erg nice picture of the pussy album..bet you aint got it on vinyl?££££££££
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Posted By: Harlequin
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 07:12
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I've just been pondering over the desert island disc thread. My first reaction was The Snow Goose, but its a close call with Moonmadness. I learned the keys parts for Song Within A Song for a band audition many years ago. They were too precious to play covers though! ------------- Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Wisdom is not truth Truth is not beauty Beauty is not love Love is not music Music is the best... |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 07:58
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[QUOTE=Karnevil9] ..Hey man erg nice picture of the pussy album..bet you aint got it on vinyl?££££££££ Cheers KE9 I wish I did have the original.I could almost retire on the amount that album fetches. -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 08:43
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Man Erg WROTE:
..Hey man erg nice picture of the pussy album..bet you aint got it on vinyl?££££££££
Like this one?
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Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 08:50
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NEEM DAT TERUG!!! I'm getting the album on vinyl within 2 hours!! along with camel - camel, yes - close to the edge and jethro tull's aqualung.... Moonmadness was the only album this whole trade was accually about! Moonmadness is in my top 5 best albums ever! I just LOVE every second of it! (ah ok.. Aristilus isn't that interesting -------------  
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 08:51
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My curiosity is stronger than my fear to show ignorancy: Which is the pussy album? ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 09:30
Meeoow!Purr-Purr 
Yes.Just like that one.Gimme,Gimme -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 11:39
 ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 11:52
Pussy's only album Pussy Plays came out circa 1969. It sounds like a cross between, IMHO, early Pink Floyd and Caravan.It's available on cd and is well worth checking.Some excellent psych/prog guitar. -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 13:04
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moonmadness and snowgoose are the best ones! camel has only produced at least very good albums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NUDE is also among my favorite ones! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 16:31
------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: lynton samuel
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:25
| moonmadness is definetely in my top 3. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 14:21
| I can't believe who'd call 'Moonmadness' weaker than their first three- for a start, its FAR better than their debut which is muted compared to the rest of their catalogue in my opinion, and is on par with both 'Mirage' and 'Snow Goose'. |
Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 06:01
I love the album and I LOVE this song. Great shout. ------------- "...misty halos made visible by the spectral illumination of moonshine." |
Posted By: dense13
Date Posted: June 10 2005 at 02:00
Yes, I agree with that. At the beginning the first four were my favorites, but the more I listened to Rain Dances (after getting over my initial Camel-itis) the more it fascinated me. And that expands to some songs in Breathless (although there's some not very interesting material there as well). Back to Song Within A Song, although it's not my favorite song in Moonmadness, I agree with almost everyone in this thread: brilliant! ------------- http://www.dense13.com - www.dense13.com |
Posted By: lynton samuel
Date Posted: June 10 2005 at 05:27
yes, brilliant.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 10 2005 at 07:04
| A Song Within A Song is brilliant. Period. |
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: June 10 2005 at 14:24
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I made this thread awhile ago and I still stand by it being their best song. Whoo-hoo. ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: February 18 2006 at 05:50
 RIGHT.OH AND ARISTILUS IT MAY NOT BE INSTERESTING BUT IT FIT VERY GOOD AT THE STRAR OF FOOTAGE [IF YOU DONT OWN THIS DVD GO AND GET IT].AND IF YOU LIKE MOONNADNESS GO ANDGET 'A NOT AND AWINK','RAJAZ',ORV ''RAIN DANCES''WHATEVER YOU GET YOU GONNA LOVE IT [BELIEVE ME YOU WONT BE DISSAPOINTMENT]
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 18 2006 at 05:54
Ha ha ha ! You back! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 18 2006 at 05:56
| BTW, the Deram remastered CD features excellent bonus live versions, especially Lunar sea. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 18 2006 at 16:53
| moonmadness is #1 Camel album. It's better than Mirage and Snowgoose easily |
Posted By: Forkface
Date Posted: February 18 2006 at 17:16
| I really like the first Camel album and Moonmadness. There is enough space between the two that is almost like two diffrent bands. Song Within a Song is by far one of my fave Camel tracks. Amazing drum work by Andy Ward, as well. |
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: February 18 2006 at 20:08
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Camel are my favourite prog band, as I've said many times. I rank their albums, in order: Snow Goose 5* (6 if I could give it!) The peak of progressive composition to interpret a story Moonmadness 5* Every track a gem Mirage5* Their most energetic album A Live Record 5* One of the finest live records ever Rajaz 5* Nude 5* A Nod and a Wink 5* Camel 4* Rain Dances 4* Dust & Dreams 4* Harbour of Tears 3* Breathless 3* The Single Factor 3* I Can See Your House From Here 3* Stationary Traveller 3* I don't believe any other band has such a high level of attainment over such a long period. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 01:33
| Hey Tony, how can you rate a prog monster like Raindances so low? It's almost the equal of Moonmadness ;). Breathless is very underrated. I think those 2 should replace the overrated Snowgoose and Mirage. The first Camel album is better than Snowgoose and Mirage. Tull edge out camel for most amount of strong songs over different decades ;). But camel are probably second best career for me :) |