GPS
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: GPS
Posted By: progismylife
Subject: GPS
Date Posted: December 29 2006 at 07:53
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Why aren't these guys on here? They are amazing. Members of ASIA (John Payne, Guthrie Govan, and Jay Schellen) with Ryo Okumoto on the keyboard. Amazing band. What genre would be good for them? Prog Metal?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 29 2006 at 08:00
I'd rather say: Neo Prog.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 29 2006 at 08:03
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Here is a link to the other GPS thread I found.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31245&KW=GPS - LINK |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 29 2006 at 13:38
| Well? Anybody? |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: December 30 2006 at 07:07
| Not prog metal or neo prog, but definitely prog related. I think the album is a fair bit proggier than the Payne era Asia, which itself was a little proggier than the Wetton era. I do agree that GPS should definitely be here- a fine album. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: December 31 2006 at 04:52
GPS were passed up to Jody for consideration a few weeks ago, and have yet to be put on the list  -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 01 2007 at 13:16
| ^^Thanks for the update. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 09:51
| Have they been decided on? Just wondering. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 09:55
Have you bought shares in them or have you nothing else to worry about at the moment? 
oh,I forgot...."prog is your life" 
These things tend to move slowly;opinions need to be gathered, pens need to be pushed and in the case of the Prog-Metal team, virgins have to be slaughtered! Given the dearth of appropriate sacrifices round here that means waiting quite a long time 
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progismylife wrote:Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 09:58
Yes it is.  I also have listened to the one album way too many times (  ) and I'm wanting to review it sometime. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 09:59
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 10:02
 Prog-metal, after all? From the Asia gang?  ------------- 
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 10:04
Prog-metal? It doesn't seem to be Prog-metal to me. Except for the first song. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 10:11
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Did I say they were Prog-Metal?
I mentioned The PM Team because they are a bunch of depraved degenerates who cavort about covered in blood,brain-addled with exotic intoxicants, dancing naked with half-crazed nymphos.... ...and they wont let me on the team.....
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 21:28
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Where's GPS? They should be approved, though they are not prog-metal, but much harder than asia, and I think proggier, too. Include them now.. Be kind. It's such an incredible omission of this site not to have this band listed... If virgins have to be slaughtered, I'll offer my services (if by slaughter we mean take the "virgin" out of the equation and not literally slaughter, though I've been known for eating flesh...) ------------- 
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 13:44
| Should they be added to Art Rock? Based solely on this from the Art Rock definition "Bands that are one of a kind, and for that reason can't be included as part of any sub-genre" |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 13:55
If we could get some samples, we could see whether they are likely candidates for AR. These days I have some time to listen to the materials I've been submitted by various forum members and Collabs, as I am often working at home - so, I promise to make a quick decision should they fit in our category. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 14:01
Well you kinda have to listen to the whole album to understand (I hope) why I think it is art rock. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 14:02
Go to http://www.musicbygps.com/ to sample. Good stuff and they should have a place here. They're not prog metal, but maybe prog related. E ------------- 
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 14:07
I do not think they are prog related because they are the members from Asia and this is a whole lot proggier than Asia and Asia is in prog related. Also it is hard to put them in a sub genre because all the songs have varying opinions on what section to put them in, so I think they should be added to Art Rock a category. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 14:11
Well, I did say 'maybe'. I could care less about sub genre's because I think they cloud people perceptions of a band. I hear a lot of similarities between older Genesis and IQ; but, considering IQ is classified as neo, they probably don't get the attention from the old schoolers as they deserve. Just a hunch on my part, though. E -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 14:21
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Thanks for the heads up, guys! I'm already listening to some samples. Hopefully the verdict will come soon...
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 17:09
| I already wrote a longish review in anticipation. Hope you don't mind me being way too impatient. Sorry in advance. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 25 2007 at 15:29
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Well, now that I've heard GPS, I couldn't say it any clearer than this:
TIME TO ADD THEM!!!! 
Very good, and prog. Not THE proggiest ever, but prog, proggier than Asia and at times bordering on prog-metal, though at times they also sound a little grungy, prog-grunge (?!?!?!?) . So please, do justice a favor, eat your vegetables and add GPS to PA. -------------
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 04 2007 at 16:47
| So any verdict? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 10:53
| Unfortunately for you, Ben, I have to tell you that the verdict from our team is negative. In our opinion, GPS have very few if any prog elements, and we're not even sure they're suitable for Prog-Related (which has to be approved by the Admin Team). Personally, I wasn't very much impressed: I found them to be an average AOR band, in spite of all those websites and magazines calling them prog. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 12:04
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So ... would you say they're less prog than Asia? If not, then GPS should be included in prog-related if only for consistency ...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 12:08
hardly.... there is the certain matter of Palmer, Wetton, Howe, and the buggles guy hahahhaha. It's prog RELATED.... hahhaa ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 12:17
 *sigh* They did seem so prog to me. It took a few listens to have that feeling though. Oh well. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:01
Why does the band's myspace say they are progressive rock if they have little or no prog elements to their music? Are you saying these guys don't even qualify for the genre they were aiming for and think they are?  |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:16
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And another thing: Why aren't they prog? Did they (on the album) not go from metal like riffs (window to the soul) to folksy song (written on the wind) to incorporating mainstream sounds on some songs. Also what about the instrumental passages? Also the keyboardist, Ryo Okumoto, is from Spock's Beard so they are "prog related" in the sense they have a band member who is from a progressive rock band. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:31
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They ARE prog-related, proggier than Asia (a lot), but they won't be included. No problem, you and I and many people like the album and we don't need it to be here to like it. Only bad thing is no reviews, but there are other sites where you'll find reviews for GPS. We won't be ablt to write reviews for that one, who cares, there's a lot more albums to review. -------------
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:34
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Fine I'll just be miserable over here and still listen to it as much as I do. *grumble grumble* Oh well I guess I could find other albums/bands to review. Like Asia! |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:35
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Ben, they are not prog because they are a straightforward AOR band... If other websites say they're prog, they have no idea of what prog means. Their song structures are extremely simple, with heavy guitars and big, FM-friendly choruses. If you don't want to accept my opinion, ask your friends Geck0 and Atavachron in the VR - they listened to the album and had exactly my same opinion (Micky hated it with a passion, but that's another story...). And please, let's not lose sight of the fact that Prog-Related doesn't mean having one or more members from a prog band... According to that, a band like The Police (who, in my humble opinion, are 100 times proggier than GPS) should have been in from day one. Prog-Related means either influenced by prog, or influential to prog. I'm sorry about that, but if GPS went in, I'd add Blue Oyster Cult the next day... |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:40
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree, and I have been listening to prog for quite a long time. So have James and David, who know about music even more than I do, and Micky, who is a musician as well. Moreover, Asia weren't inducted by any of us, nor were Styx, Triumph or any such bands. Art Rock is out of the question - the only thing I can do is to submit GPS to the other Admins, as this is what we need for Prog-Related additions. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:44
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Okay I realise Art Rock is out of the question but they don't belong in prog-related. Something more than that. Maybe Neo-Prog? I hear things that sound like Frost. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:52
| I've submitted the question to the other Admins, since all Prog-Related admissions must go through the Admin Team. As to Neo, you could ask Cygnus and Stonie to take a listen. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:55
| Well, I too had felt they were a bit proggier than Asia (and incidentally, I rated it far higher than Okumoto's other album last year, the eponymous Spock's Beard album) but I wouldn't have said they were anything more than prog related, and if they aren't to be included, that's the way it is- I won't lose sleep over it. I don't agree they would fit in with neo prog, art rock or prog metal. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 14:58
| I'll wait to see what the Admins verdict is for prog-related. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 15:02
I think that prog-related is exactly where they belong, should they be included. I googled for them a little bit, and most pages I found suggest that they are AOR/Melodic Rock. I listened to the album myself, and IMO they are just barely prog related ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 15:07
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After rereading some of my posts I realise I went a bit overboard with wanting them to be prog-anything. Sorry if I seem a bit immature and/or stupid. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 15:09
hahahha.. Ben.. don't sweat it... that's the reason music is such a part of our lives... this stuff hits us right where it counts. Who cares if some people think it isn't prog.. enjoy it and love it. Stuff us hahahahhah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 18:12
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Ben, why not feel better and post your review in the forums - has been done before
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 18:15
exactly.... damn good idea... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 02:18
I'll have to edit the 1500 word essay I have written. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 02:47
| Sorry for not seeing this thread till now, and to Ben for the disappointing news. Remember that many of us have suggested bands that simply didn't get a yes vote from a team. For instance, the F---ing Champs are some of the most progressive metal I know but the ProgMetal team rejected them before I was even a member. I disagree but respect their decision. I'm still a huge fan of TFC and will continue to recommend them to anyone who'll listen, and the fact that they aren't on PA doesn't detract from the music. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 03:00
I'm sorry to impart another piece of bad news to Ben.... My fellow Admins are in perfect agreement with us of the AR team, and don't consider the band suitable even for Prog-Related. The fact that so many sources keep calling GPS prog makes me think that some people don't really have any idea of what being prog means.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 03:54
| Just to confirm Raf's post's here, the admin team felt that for GPS to be included, they would need to be classified as Related to prog related. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 06:02
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's not even funny.. to even mention that... brings nightmares...hahahhaha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 06:08
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Related to Related to Related to ... Prog-Related.
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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 06:11
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no matter how far that those 'related to ...' goes, it's still related to prog ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 06:21
Oh, yes, but so is Elvis Presley... |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 07:51
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Raff, I've not heard the GPS album, I was just commenting on something David was saying. Apologies for the confusion. I am happy to listen to the album though, to give another opinion. -------------   
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 14:31
What prog means for us, for PA. I don't know but I guess there hasn't been any higher authority or any scholarly-voted decision as to what the term prog means. So I wouldn't be that radical. I agree if we say "for our definition of prog, it doesn't fit". OK, no problem. But as there will never be a single, purely objective definition of the term (even in these forums it couldn't be done), I wouldn't say every other position on the subject is ridiculous or absurd.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 14:36
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Wait I have one more question, a guy who took over Asia (after John Wetton left) for 15 years is only considered related to prog related since he started a different band since the original Asia was reforming (or something like that)? Ah forget I even asked, I'll let this slide, for now  |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 14:50
| OK, Teo, I can agree with some of your points (see the thread I opened earlier in the afternoon), but I can't really see what can be prog about GPS except the presence of Ryo Okumoto. I'd never dream of saying that DT, even if I'm not their biggest fan, are not prog. Here there are people who have a vast knowledge of music of all kinds, some of whom are even musicians, who say they are not prog. Opinions, yes, but certainly informed... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 23:59
For sure...
 ... My position is based more on the X proggier than Y factor.... GPS is way proggier than Asia... maybe they are not incredibly original, so in the end it won't hurt the Archives not having them here. But it wouldn't having them on board, also.  -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 03:04
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^ GPS proggier than Asia? Depends on the album. Window to the Soul is much less prog than Saga's album from last year (Trust).
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:25
With that I agree. But proggier than Asia, at least than "Aura" which is 1% prog, 99% elevator-pop-rock (very bad album) -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 13:07
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^ I'm not too familiar with Asia ... I don't listen to their earlier albums unless I absolutely must.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 13:11
I have a copy of the GPS album, it is very good, but i'd say it fits into HM category more comfortably than even Prog-related - very borderline at best. 
i was thinking of submitting the album myself at one point but changed me mind.
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