With all the new additions to the archives I think it's time we add Zeppelin. I know it's been done before, but Zeppelin has several progrressive albums. Starting from Zeppelin 3 you can see the beggining of Zeppelin straying from Blues rock, and by 4 they have a totally unique sound. Houses of the holy is in my opinion their most progressive album, with atmospheric songs such as No Quarter, largely keyboard based, which is a common element in progressive music.

If you're looking for a strong relation to Literature it's easy to find in Zeppelin lyrics, especially with th enumber of songs concerning The Lord Of The Rings. Shifting musical atmosphere- Stairway to heaven.

I could go on, but the best way to see why Zeppelin is progressive is to listen to an album. The only reason many don't call Zeppelin Prog is because they are judged by their first 2 albums, where they are clear blues rock, however Rush began the same, moreover they began as Zep wannabes!

 Get them in...now.

i've made this comment in another thread but including Led Zeppelin would be to rewrite musical history.

In their time they were never regarded as a progressive rock band but were termed 'heavy blues'.

The only song which Zeppelin ever openly admitted to being prog-influenced was 'The Song Remains The Same' which Jimmy knowingly constructed as an excercise in prog rock-ism.

I adore Zeppelin, have done since I first heard them, in 1979 when I was 13, I have everything they recorded inncluding box sets, blah blah blah but they were not then prog, nor will they ever be.

In fact, in a bid to halt all these tiresome polls, here's my earlier post:

With reference to my earlier post about the change in demographics on the site and the possible need to create a sub-forum for 'bands related to prog'.

There are now threads on the main discussion board for Chicken Shack, Artcane, Quatermass, Queen (regarding Queen II) and a query about Autograph's inlcusion on the site. That's just on page one of the main discussions area.

On page two we get Man, Horslips, Wishbone Ash and a few others.

We've had endless, pointless discussions about ELO, Led Zeppelin etc etc etc.

The sheer proliferation of threads suggesting bands for the site is proof positive to me that an awful lot of member do not have an inkling of even what the 'classic' early 70s definition of progressive rock is.

Even if you broaden the scope of the definition and the site's ability to induct marginal bands - there is simply no way on God's green earth that a case can be made for Zeppelin, ELO, 10cc, Roxy Music etc etc.

If 'progressive rock' as a tag was applied largely by music journalists to try and encompass a loose musical movement of the late 60s then it was a tag (however imperfect) that was never, ever applied (as far as I know) to any of the above groups. Zepp were classed as a 'heavy blues band' ELO as pure pop, 10cc likewise, Roxy as more akin to Bowie and Lou Reed and glam than prog rock.

I am no diehard adherent to the flat-earth notion that any change must be resisted but like, I think it was Fitz, it is just not correct to trawl back through time and adjust the parameters to suit personal taste. I adore Zep and have done since I was a teenager, but they were never progressive rock and they won't suddenly become so because someone constantly bleats for their inclusion.

I applauded the inclusion of Radiohead because I believe they fulfill the criteria of being a prog rock band. I have no objection to objectively viewing a modern band's career (Talk Talk, David Sylvian, Radiohead) and deciding that their allegiances, influences, output and progress lead to the conclusion that here's a modern prog band. That's fine. And merited.

Merited because few mainstream music journalists use the term prog rock these days, it's simply fallen out of fashion. Instead they label what we might see as prog tendencies as something else - there are hundreds of ridiculous catch-alls that are applied.

But while those sort of judgment calls are necessary with modern music (to which the term prog is hardly ever applied in the music media - though, strangely, it consistently has been to Radiohead) it is the silliest kind of cultural relativism to stretch back through time and say 10cc are prog.

Just because someone listens to Genesis and 10cc and sees sonic paralells in terms of production values, keyboard sounds of the 70s etc does not mean that band is suddenly prog. They were not then, and they are not now.

Broaden the definition by all means, but do not rewrite popular music history.

 Fair points Arcer - I just fancied having a chat about something else for a change.  My youth was shaped by Zeppelin, even though they had long gone by the time I discovered them.  I got to see my idol the lord God Page (playing with Jake Bonham, and some other ex-rock stragglers), and took my 14 year old sister, who immediately fell in love with him. 

I really dont care what is in the prog archives, as most of it is s***e anyway , but if it gets a Zeppelin conversation going, all the better for it.  I've actually just been listening to Zep III this evening - surely one of the greatest albums ever made.

In tepid support of Zeppelin's entry, I would cite Dazed & Confused (especially live) and No Quarter as standing well outside the field of contemporary 70s rock.  Whether they are encompassed by the prog label, I probably doubt it, but since when did that matter here? If you are derivative or complicated-sounding, you're IN to prog archives, and I'd rather talk about Zeppelin than whether Phil Collins has managed to knit a jumper out of his belly button fluff yet.

Favourite album Arcer?  I seem to cling to Presence as my favourite, but I've been really getting into Physical Graffiti again recently... 

I agree with you Arcer. It just seems to me that Zep is way more prog than many of the new additions, otherwise I never would have bothered. The idea of expanding the site with a sub group is good.

Here's a previous post, on another Zeppelin topic I found.

penguindf12 wrote: Kinda, kinda not. Led Zep are hard rock, with some progressive leanings, not unlike Eddie Van Halen or Queen. But not full-on prog, because just listening to them you can tell. The only real proggish recording they did was "IV". But if I had my way, we'd include them in this side under the title "hard prog rock" along with Rush, Van Halen, and Queen (and for you purists we'd also have them under "Alternative Prog" so old proggers know they aren't "true" prog or whatever -- including them on this side would be a boon, really. If some Zeppelin fan ignorant of prog stumbles across this site and sees Led Zeppelin on it, they might say "hm, prog? maybe I should look into it" and BANG! we have a possible convert)

At first I didn't request Zeppelin, even though they are my favorite band, as well as Genesis, and Floyd. I added this thread as more of a protest, which seemed right in my bull headed mind, however I regret it now, because it seems to have just crowded the forum more.

It was the addition of Audition that made me do this, and I apologize.

Could you people grow up a little and stop acting so inconsiderate?  Led Zeppelin are about as far from a prog band as you can get....  If you are fan of Led Zep... then go hang out on their website.... they've got a great forum...

K00l Prog Guruz wrote: I think that wen you guyz put all thes e new bands to ad lists then it gets confusing for new proggers like me and stuff cuz then we really dont know wat it is to be prog. like i now know that phil collins isnt prog cuz you cabn just tell and i think zepelin (i heard some stuff0 isnt prog so stop trying to add to much, cuz it makes it harder for young proggers l;ike me to know what it is. just cuz zeplin is a bit like other prog stuff doesnt make them totaly so we shoud make this site ofr more just prog, and then we woud have a strong obvios line to not cross. thats what i think

well said Kool, I apologize, you've opened my eyes.

No.  we should leave Zep out.  Great band, love them to death, but not "Prog" in my book.  However, they were a Progressive rock band (meaning they pushed musical boundaries and such.)

gdub411 wrote: Well I applaud you for your undying loyalty to your #1 band and cannot fault your fervor to have them included but they simply are a tremendously talented hard rock band.

and even at his age Robert Plant is still a looker right Gdub? 

Rob The Plant wrote: gdub411 wrote: Well I applaud you for your undying loyalty to your #1 band and cannot fault your fervor to have them included but they simply are a tremendously talented hard rock band. and even at his age Robert Plant is still a looker right Gdub?

That old geezer even looks worse than Greg Lake.

gdub411 wrote: Rob The Plant wrote: gdub411 wrote: Well I applaud you for your undying loyalty to your #1 band and cannot fault your fervor to have them included but they simply are a tremendously talented hard rock band. and even at his age Robert Plant is still a looker right Gdub?  That would geezer even looks worse than Greg Lake.

Now that's an impossible comparison, have you seen Greg Lake lately?

Speaking of Led Zeppelin, shouldn't John Paul Jones be here?

Zooma and the Thunderchief are much more progressive than LZ. I think JPJ was the prog link in Led Zep. Some of his keyboard work, especially No Quarter, was pretty over the top. A multi-instrumentalist who was very underappreciated in that band.  

threefates wrote: Could you people grow up a little and stop acting so inconsiderate?  Led Zeppelin are about as far from a prog band as you can get....  If you are fan of Led Zep... then go hang out on their website.... they've got a great forum...

Cool, whats the URL 3Fates?  I didn't know about it...

danbo wrote: Speaking of Led Zeppelin, shouldn't John Paul Jones be here? Zooma and the Thunderchief are much more progressive than LZ. I think JPJ was the prog link in Led Zep. Some of his keyboard work, especially No Quarter, was pretty over the top. A multi-instrumentalist who was very underappreciated in that band.

One of the most underrated Artists I can think of, Zeppelin's most progressive work was done by him, and I've often thought that his non Zeppelin work must reflect his progressiveness. I'll check out Zooma and Thunderchief, never heard them. Thnaks for that note!

sigh, I've been through this whole add led zep thing three times since ive joined. here we go again.

Although Led Zepplin is good, they are not really much more than good ol' fashioned rock and roll. (with the exception of a few scattered songs.)  They do have thier own sound by, I would say, Led Zepplin 4 but just because they sound different doesnt mean that they are progressive. Rush did start out wanting to be like zepplin. to be exact Zepplin meets Yes, and Yes is prog. I think Zepplin started out as Cream wannabes with high pitched vocals. Remember what you said on the radiohead discussion "Just because you like them doesnt mean they are prog."

I could say alot more, but i dont want to damage any feelings.

Hangedman wrote: sigh, I've been through this whole add led zep thing three times since ive joined. here we go again. Although Led Zepplin is good, they are not really much more than good ol' fashioned rock and roll. (with the exception of a few scattered songs.)  They do have thier own sound by, I would say, Led Zepplin 4 but just because they sound different doesnt mean that they are progressive. Rush did start out wanting to be like zepplin. to be exact Zepplin meets Yes, and Yes is prog. I think Zepplin started out as Cream wannabes with high pitched vocals. Remember what you said on the radiohead discussion "Just because you like them doesnt mean they are prog." I could say alot more, but i dont want to damage any feelings.

Cream wannabes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHH!

That's all I have to say.

Yardbirds- Cream  

                 Zeppelin

Yardbirds first, yardbirds turn into The New Yardbirds, which became Zeppelin. Cream arose around the same tiem, they were influenced by eachother. Mighty Different.                                                                                                    

Wrath_of_Ninian wrote: threefates wrote: Could you people grow up a little and stop acting so inconsiderate?  Led Zeppelin are about as far from a prog band as you can get....  If you are fan of Led Zep... then go hang out on their website.... they've got a great forum... Cool, whats the URL 3Fates?  I didn't know about it...

http://www.led-zeppelin.com/forum/ - http://www.led-zeppelin.com/forum/

Rob The Plant wrote: Yardbirds- Cream                    Zeppelin Yardbirds first, yardbirds turn into The New Yardbirds, which became Zeppelin. Cream arose around the same tiem, they were influenced by eachother. Mighty Different.

Rob, Cream started in 1966 and Ended in 1969 when Led Zep 1 came out.  Also, a big influence on Led Zep was The Jeff Beck Group with Rod Stewart on vocals that released Truth in 1967. No need to be upset about it.  Led Zep picked up the ball and ran further and longer than either of the groups went.  They perfected that type of blues based rock.

To nswer your question Rob.

Page entered the Yardbirds after the departure of eric Clapton *(introduced to the band by EC), and played bass (Jeff was the lead guitarist) untill the departure of Jeff, then he became the lead guitarist.

He was with the yardbirds from early 1966 to 1969, forming Led Zep from the ruins of that band (the new yardbirds, they had to fullfill some concert obligations)

Rob The Plant wrote: But Page's style remained throughout the yardbirds. When did he start in the Yardbirds? Yah the Jeff Beck Group, can't say I'm a big Rod Stewart fan. "If you think I'm sexy..."

 That happened 10 years later. 

 He used to sing the blues once upon a time and sang them well. Check out some early Faces and the affor mentioned Jeff Beck Group.  Also around 1985 did a sang on a remake of People Get Ready on a Jeff Beck CD Flash.  That was a great song.  Really give you an idea of how well he sang the blues (also some great guitar by Beck).  

If Jimmy Page treated Robert Plant the same way Jeff beck treated Rod Stewart you just might have heard him singing that or worse. 

I saw Rod a couple times in the early days he was great. So was Robert Plant. I am not comparing them.

Rob The Plant wrote: I know, I just like to promote Robert Plant.

I understand, I like to do the same with Greg... the difference is that Greg was in a prog  band...

threefates wrote: Rob The Plant wrote: I know, I just like to promote Robert Plant. I understand, I like to do the same with Greg... the difference is that Greg was in a prog  band...

I see your point.

arcer wrote: The only song which Zeppelin ever openly admitted to being prog-influenced was 'The Song Remains The Same' which Jimmy knowingly constructed as an excercise in prog rock-ism.

True, but I'd say Zeppelin had more prog moments than that. For me, Kashmir is their proggiest moment, and Houses of the Holy is their proggiest album.

Like many others in this thread, I too genuflect at the altar of Zep, and if my friends back in the 70s were anything to go by Zeppelin were huge with Prog fans.

Having got all that off my chest, I don't think Zeppelin was ever a prog band in the sense that it is understood on these boards. They took hard rock into places it had never been before, but they remained a hard rock band whether they were blending it with folk, world or any other influences.

ledzep is not prog

danbo wrote: Speaking of Led Zeppelin, shouldn't John Paul Jones be here? Zooma and the Thunderchief are much more progressive than LZ. I think JPJ was the prog link in Led Zep. Some of his keyboard work, especially No Quarter, was pretty over the top. A multi-instrumentalist who was very underappreciated in that band.

Very good point Danbo, JPJ's solo material is very progressive: kind of a sophisticated prog metal feel to some of it?

I really dont understand how people can can Zeppelin "A blues rock band", it seems so unfair to me... They started off as blues rock and then pushed the bounderies of what music was.  The thing is , Zep's best known material is their blues stuff, but they did so much more; i know no band that encompassed more musical styles. Also, contrary to popular belief they arent a classic rock band!!! How can one put them in the same grouping as Ac/Dc, The Rolling Stones, and The Eagles for that matter?!?! They arent Prog as we know it on this site, but they are indeed the most progressive band in rock history and should be up here just for that. More and more it seems band that"progressed" are being added, so why not Zep: I say we rewrite history: Here are some resongs why they should be added, first an album overview:

Led Zeppelin 1: This record pushed rock music into new territory: Nothing like this had ever been done before. Around this period, Zeppelin also developed a strong following for their live shows: Ian Anderson even admits that Zeppelin blew Tull of the stage many time over... This is mostly a "blues" record, but consider "Dazed and Confused": it takes a blues rock riff and turns it into an intense experience: THERES A BOW SOLO ON GUITAR FOR GODS SAKES!!!!....how is this "Simple rock"?

Led Zeppelin 2: No argument here, a simple hard rock album, NOT PROG.

Led Zeppelin 3: Here we Zeppelin shaping a more unique and distinctive sound. "The Immigrant Song" is a perfect example of them moving away from their blues roots and PROGRESSING. Half of the album is also "folk rock" and on par with anything The Moody Blues or Jethro Tull did during this period, this is not yet a prog album, but the signs are definately showing.

Led Zeppelin 4: The classic... It starts off with two easy and accessable "RADIO friendly" tracks and then becomes a pure progressive album. I challenge any one to say that any off "The Battle of Evermore", "Stairway to Heaven" or "Going To California" isnt prog. LISTEN TO IT! Again, immense progress is shown: This album is leaps an bounds above Zeppelin 3.

 Houses of The Holy: In my opinion the best and most experimental  Zeppelin album. THis entire album (with the exeption of  "the Ocean") is what we would call "Prog". "No Quarter" is on par with any other quintessential prog group's epic: The lyrics are special, the keyboard is superb; the guitar is perfection.The mellotron in the "rain song" as moving as anything i can think of. Let us also consider the cover and the sleeve: Would you see this on an Ac/Dc album? I think not. This album is as progressive as Yes, Pink Floyd or Genesis; its just more accesable and less bombastic.

Physical Grafitti: This double album features Zeppelin exploring even more musical styles than ever before: eastern influence, southern blues, celtic: even a song begining with a simulated bagpipe. "In The Light" and "Kashmir are the highlights, and guess what they are? PROG.

Again im sorry, this is getting long winded, but i have to make my point.

Presence: What seems to be a basic blues rock album is accualy a very complex record under the surface. The bulk of the recrd revolves around the lengthy "Achilles last Stand" and "Tea For ONe":The former being incredibly complex and refering to Greek Mythology(what a classic rock thing to do) and the latter being a blues epic which raised the bar on the genre. We also have complex timing and counter rythem in the bridge of "Nobody's fault but mine". PROG

(sorry if im pissing any one of, but this is the only way to show the bulk of their material is progressive).

In Through The Out Door: a very JPJ/ synth oriented album. It would have been nice to see Zeppelin head into this direction, but unfortunately, John Bonham's death prevented this from happening. It's Zeppelin with heavy orchestration: and i do believe it is once again prog.

Coda: a compilation of old stuff...doesnt really count.

Other Reasons?

im sick of typing....later

the musical box wrote: danbo wrote: Speaking of Led Zeppelin, shouldn't John Paul Jones be here? Zooma and the Thunderchief are much more progressive than LZ. I think JPJ was the prog link in Led Zep. Some of his keyboard work, especially No Quarter, was pretty over the top. A multi-instrumentalist who was very underappreciated in that band.   Very good point Danbo, JPJ's solo material is very progressive: kind of a sophisticated prog metal feel to some of it?

Actually JPJ's solo stuff (from what i remember, its been three years since ive heard it and it was only assorted things) is much more "prog" than anything zepplin ever did.

Hangedman wrote: Just thought of something funny, if led zepplin is added as prog that would make guns and roses neo-prog. , my oh my this site would fall apart at the seams.

Just because Axel Rose is a cheap ripoff of one of thegreatest vocalists in history, doesn't put his music anywhere close to Zeppelin.

I've created a monster!

Rob The Plant wrote: Just because Axel Rose is a cheap ripoff of one of thegreatest vocalists in history, doesn't put his music anywhere close to Zeppelin. I've created a monster!

to me axel rose is only more annoying than robert plant (yes even when i was a lad of 15 and zepplin was my favourite band i didnt like plant all that much). Im not arguing that guns and roses is better than zepplin, because they are far from being as good as zepplin was, they do share a lot with zepplin with style, and in no way was i saying guns and roses should be on the site i was making a joke..... like this thread is

the musical box wrote:   Led Zeppelin 1: This record pushed rock music into new territory: Nothing like this had ever been done before.

Can't agree. Several elements of early LZ albums, went back to Jeff Beck (in fact quite a few of us early LZ fans used look out for the lifts from earlier Beck albums, e.g. compare Hangsman's Knee and, Gallows Pole ) - and then Jeff Beck reckons he was trying do something wrt heavy rock along the lines of Vanilla Fudge (explaining Beck Boggert Appice). Have a listen to Jeff Beck's Truth (which had John Paul Jones and Keith Moon, the latter gave rise to LZ's name, in on the sessions) and certainly (Cosa Nostra) Beckola .

Dick Heath wrote: the musical box wrote:   Led Zeppelin 1: This record pushed rock music into new territory: Nothing like this had ever been done before.   Can't agree. Several elements of early LZ albums, went back to Jeff Beck (in fact quite a few of us early LZ fans used look out for the lifts from earlier Beck albums, e.g. compare Hangsman's Knee and, Gallows Pole ) - and then Jeff Beck reckons he was trying do something wrt heavy rock along the lines of Vanilla Fudge (explaining Beck Boggert Appice). Have a listen to Jeff Beck's Truth (which had John Paul Jones and Keith Moon, the latter gave rise to LZ's name, in on the sessions) and certainly (Cosa Nostra) Beckola .

If Keith Moon and Page started a new band it would go down like a Lead Zeppelin.

I think it was Led Zeppelin's on stage performance that put them over anyone else in the beginning, because of their improvisation, although the album is also very electric.

70sSoundquality wrote: alan_pfeifer wrote: 70soundquality, What is this song your'e talking about?  I don't think Zeppelin ever did a song named that. You wouldnt think that if you havent heard it. Led Zeppelin, 1979, In through the out door. Carouselambra is the title.

I know the song Carouselambra from 'In through the outdoor' and you may think of it as prog because its got synth running through it and its 10 minutes long with a time change midway but  its quite a simple repetitive song really and not all that progressive.

I love Led Zeppelin to bits but they weren't prog back when i saw them in 1979 and they sure are not prog now

Swinton MCR wrote: Aaaargh - Another band I ignored in my youth, Led Zep - Am I going to find untold prog jems upon their albums........I SHOULD BE TOLD !!!

How on earth could  you have ignored Led Zep! What did you listen to in your youth?  Abba?

Abba - Abba - Abba, You Cad Sir!, I listened to Genesis and some more Genesis and then a bit more Genesis, then some Yes then a lot of Yes then some ELP and a Camel or two then Twelfth night and IQ and marillion and..................

But of course I heard Abba at every single "Do" and pub I went in, thus I heard a lot of Abba too

I was surprised to see this band is up for consideration, as I consider them anything but prog rock.  Also, I just wanted to say that I was genuinely surprised that Queen is not in the archive either... Did a quick search and found that a lot of people don't consider them prog here either... could have fooled me.

So no to Zeppelin (not that I thought they had any chance of getting in anyway), and a resounded YES to Queen, which this thread really has almost nothing to do with anyway but oh well... 

Swinton MCR wrote: Abba - Abba - Abba, You Cad Sir!, I listened to Genesis and some more Genesis and then a bit more Genesis, then some Yes then a lot of Yes then some ELP and a Camel or two then Twelfth night and IQ and marillion and.................. But of course I heard Abba at every single "Do" and pub I went in, thus I heard a lot of Abba too

Funny I could never get into Genesis or Yes, still can't  I worry that i can never truly be a prog fan when i dislike those two major bands...

BTW I'm a lady! not a sir

Oliver- I love 'No Quarter' its an amazing song, beautiful guitar midway and Roberts voice is really emotional.

This thread is dead, we've decided not to add Zeppelin, and in my opinion Queen should not be added either. Boundaries, we need boundaries. I started this because Autograph was added, but Manni said it was a mistake and took them off, so I'm settled. If you want to suggest any bands there's a particular forum for that, and I believe Queen has been brought up already.

So many new bands.

Rob The Plant wrote: Dick Heath wrote: the musical box wrote:   Led Zeppelin 1: This record pushed rock music into new territory: Nothing like this had ever been done before.   Can't agree. Several elements of early LZ albums, went back to Jeff Beck (in fact quite a few of us early LZ fans used look out for the lifts from earlier Beck albums, e.g. compare Hangsman's Knee and, Gallows Pole ) - and then Jeff Beck reckons he was trying do something wrt heavy rock along the lines of Vanilla Fudge (explaining Beck Boggert Appice). Have a listen to Jeff Beck's Truth (which had John Paul Jones and Keith Moon, the latter gave rise to LZ's name, in on the sessions) and certainly (Cosa Nostra) Beckola . If Keith Moon and Page started a new band it would go down like a Lead Zeppelin. I think it was Led Zeppelin's on stage performance that put them over anyone else in the beginning, because of their improvisation, although the album is also very electric.

Jeff Beck let Jimmy Page steal away with the heavy rock idea, partly because Beck's interests kept changing direction (aka attention span), and a bad motor accident didn't help. Check the changes and different musics on the following released over  10 years:

Truth - early British rock, blues, heaviness and covers (and yet another version of Ol Man River), and Rod Stewart sounding great and still audience shy.

(Cosa Nostra) Beckola: some might say Led Zeppelin 0 -classic line-up of Beck, Stewart, Ron Wood (still a bass player), Nicky Hopkins (who actually toured with this line-up)  and Tony Newman (who was then to go off and dabble in early British heavy rock with May Blitz). Stewart and Wood formed the ultimate pub band, the  Faces with the remaining Small Faces (Marriott had gone to playing boogie rock with pretty boy Peter Frampton, fresh from the Herd).

The Orange Album (that's how was sold in the early 70's because of  picture of an orange on the sleeve - like the misnamed Beatles White Album) but strictly the first of two The Jeff Beck Group LPs- e.g. with Bob Tench, Cozy Powell, Max Middleton etc.  (Middletone was to bring Beck towards a jazzier style). The second album was Rough & Ready. Music: blues rock - never worked out why the last track on the first JBG album changed its name from LP to CD - on the LP it is called Raynes Park Blues (having spent several wet Sunday afternoons in Raynes Park in the early 70's, this tune captured the feeling very well).

Beck Boggart Appice: (sort of Cream meets LZ meets Vanilla Fudge, power trio). Japanese only double live LP as well. Broke up after one studio recording, but apparently were rarely sober on tour. I must have been fortunate to catch them on sober night in the English Midlands, when I saw one of my favourite gigs ever - support (Pete Bank's) Flash also in fine form. Appice played in Rod Stewart's later Vegas-oriented bands.

In the meanwhile Beck was playing with Stevie Wonder  (I think on Superstition and albums from that period).

Wired: Jeff Beck's first jazz rock album. Max Middleton and Jan Hammer featured separately as keyboard and tune-writers/arrangers. A rather unsubtle message with the tune Led Boots ?

Blow By Blow: the second jazz rock album with Jan Hammer now fully taken over from Max Middleton. (In the meanwhile Middleton also formed a spin off band, Hummingbird, with some members of The Jeff Beck Group; later recorded with guitarist Robert Awai on the  jazz specialist label spun from Harvest Records in the late 70's and then played with Geordie, Chris Rea's Band for many years).

Jeff Beck with Jan Hammer Group: Live (in London) a mix of Beck and Hammer Group studio tracks played live - seem to be having fun. Jan Hammer keeps reappearing through Beck's subsequent career - most recently touring with Beck in the UK in early summer 2004.

BTW check out Beck playing with John McLaughlin, covering a Modern Jazz Quartet tune, Django, on McLaughlin's (great and very varied album) The Promise - is on the playlist for my radio show tomorrow night, concentrating this week only on good cover versions.

Rob The Plant wrote: This thread is dead, we've decided not to add Zeppelin, and in my opinion Queen should not be added either. Boundaries, we need boundaries. I started this because Autograph was added, but Manni said it was a mistake and took them off, so I'm settled. If you want to suggest any bands there's a particular forum for that, and I believe Queen has been brought up already. So many new bands.

, sorry if anything i said offended you buddy. put it behind us?

Wired: Jeff Beck's first jazz rock album. Max Middleton and Jan Hammer featured separately as keyboard and tune-writers/arrangers. A rather unsubtle message with the tune Led Boots ?

Blow By Blow: the second jazz rock album with Jan Hammer now fully taken over from Max Middleton. (In the meanwhile Middleton also formed a spin off band, Hummingbird, with some members of The Jeff Beck Group; later recorded with guitarist Robert Awai on the  jazz specialist label spun from Harvest Records in the late 70's and then played with Geordie, Chris Rea's Band for many years).

Dick,

I may be wrong but I could have sworn Blow By Blow was first 1975 and Max M. was still playing with JB.  I saw that tour and Mahvishnu Orchestra opened with Jean Luc Ponty  and Michael Waldon on drums among others (Visions of Emerald Beyond).  Then Wired came out witrh Jan Hammer the following year 1976 or 7. I am doing this from memory so I may be wrong.

Led zep. greatest of bands. hevy metals bit not reelly a progrock band.some odd track  a little bit like the progmusic sounds but to say prog is not accurate i think.

we have saying in my country (greenland)- man who inspect the hemmeroids cannot see polar bear attack him.

Hangedman wrote: Rob The Plant wrote: This thread is dead, we've decided not to add Zeppelin, and in my opinion Queen should not be added either. Boundaries, we need boundaries. I started this because Autograph was added, but Manni said it was a mistake and took them off, so I'm settled. If you want to suggest any bands there's a particular forum for that, and I believe Queen has been brought up already. So many new bands. , sorry if anything i said offended you buddy. put it behind us?

that's okay. I guess you could say I'll still Hang around with you Hangedman !

Oracle wrote: Led zep. greatest of bands. hevy metals bit not reelly a progrock band.some odd track  a little bit like the progmusic sounds but to say prog is not accurate i think. we have saying in my country (greenland)- man who inspect the hemmeroids cannot see polar bear attack him.

......Excellent point...

Rob The Plant wrote: [QUOTE=Hangedman][QUOTE=Rob The Plant] that's okay. I guess you could say I'll still Hang around with you Hangedman !

Clever!

I think if Led Zeppelin is added then, the who would have to be added and the byrds and steppenwolf and so many others that aren't prog at all.

Swinton MCR wrote: And Sabbath, and Deep purple !

Maybe it is too much to ask of the Admins but I was thinking that an area devoted to bands that influenced Prog or Pre-Prog if you will and another for bands or albums that were influenced by prog but not actually prog. 

Many years ago, 1968-72. progressive rock were those artists who were either slightly or completely disinterested in single sales. The UK bands were Moody Blues 1967>, LZ 1969>, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Yes, Genesis, ELP 1970 and many I can't remember.

Due to the redefinition of Prog Rock, I agree that not one of the above should be included because they either don't exist or they don't fit the criteria.

Oh,sorry I forgot Pink Floyd, 1858> queen Victorias favourite band. (Don' t get offended, poor British sense of humour.

Velvetclown

Is that Queen Victoria or Freddie Mercury?

I dont normally say this, but I think Zep should be added. Jethro Tulls first two albums are blues, and there on here. So why not add Zep? THey have some undniably proggy moments, and they need credit.

Ok, lets cut the nonsense......THERE ARE NO PROGRESSIVE ROCK BANDS.....THERE IS ONLY PROGRESSIVE ROCK MUSIC!!!!!........so lets stop being so picky and elitist and get over our "this is OUR site lets hoard it and covet it" phase....

Add the Led Zeppelin albums which ARE progressive....Add the Queen albums which ARE progressive.....Add the ELO albums which ARE progressive. I've said it once, I'll say it again....if this site was TRULY serious about show casing prog music, then music must override band...period.

I say put them in. Not everyone on this forum agrees with every band in the archives so put them in. Question for the doctor. Why does Zeppelin blow?