The heaviest you can like..
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Topic: The heaviest you can like..
Posted By: Krator
Subject: The heaviest you can like..
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 18:49
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Today I was listening to MESHUGGAH's Chaosphere again, and during 'Elastic' ("The song with the minutes of just noise") I thought, "This is the heaviest music I could possibly like." So, I'm curious, where is your limit? I know from experience that it's different from person to person - I know many who think Opeth is 'just noise with screaming.' |
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 18:58
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I'd say somewhere around Rush or heavy KC. -------------   |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:17
| The heaviest I can like is probably anything played on a contrabass saxophone. That's ridiculously heavy. I'm sure Meshuggah could use one... |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:20
The heaviest I've heard is Meshugga, but I would have prefered a more cohesive atempt at melody. If I have a limit, I'm yet to find it but theres needs to be more to the music than that idf im to be inclined to search for heavier music. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:23
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Meshuggah is perhaps the heaviest I've heard, but I wouldn't mind 2-3 times heavier music (as long it's good, of course) ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:49
| No limits. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:54
| Grindcore |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 20:15
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i'm a little retarded: Metallica.
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 01:31
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Meshuggah is as heavy as I go, and about as heavy as it gets not a band about melody mind you ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 01:32
exactly where would that fit in the music? ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Philéas wrote:Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 01:34
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i'm a huge metal fan, so probably Carcass is the heaviest band that i enjoy... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 04:19
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How about this: http://www.hevydevy.com/audio/mp3/syl_detoxetox.mp3 - http://www.hevydevy.com/audio/mp3/syl_detoxetox.mp3 No seriously, I have no limits.  But of course that doesn't mean that I like all kinds of heavy stuff. For example I'm a bit "picky" when it comes to growling ... I'll only accept it if I think it "fits", regardless of how heavy then song happens to be.------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 05:19
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depends on the music usually I don't like really heavy stuff but i like some opeth, so you never know. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 05:34
I'm not sure, because I have neither heard much Meshuggah nor much contrabass saxophone. However, I'm sure they could use it for some nice quirky (and seriously heavy) effects. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 06:15
Why wouldn't it "fit"? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 06:50
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^ For example I don't like the growling vocals on most Post Metal albums - like for example Isis, Cult of Luna and in particular the new Agalloch. How cool this album could have been without the growling ... it totally destroys the songs (IMO). A metal band should realize that when they change their style to more ambient, textural tracks then someone "barking" at you totally ruins things. I much prefer bands like Opeth who manage to adapt the vocal style to the mood/atmosphere of the music. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 06:54
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Meshuggah, Opeth, Atheist... That's about as heavy as i get. |
Posted By: Gravity Eyelids
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 08:40
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I have tried to like Meshugga, after hearng how Steve Wilson loved them, but they are just way to heavy for me.
I guess Opeth or Tool, but I have to be in the right mood for it. ------------- Into this wild Abyss the fiend Stood on the brink of Hell and looked a while, Pondering his Voyage. |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:12
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I haven't yet listened to an album I thought was too heavy. As long as it's done well, then I'd listen to albums of any heaviness. -------------  
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:13
ohhhh but the new Agalloch album is soooooo good!  -------------
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:14
Harmonium. 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:21
I know that many people are enjoying the album - I just don't like the growling vocals in this type of music. For me growling is inherently aggressive, and combining it with calm, subdued textures of ambient sounds rarely works - it either does or just feels like they couldn't decide whether they want to be aggressive or calm. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:26
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Oh, and Fantômas of course
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:41
You haven't heard Inferi's "Shores of Sorrow". Although that's a bit of a different case. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:42
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Meshuggah's Chaosphere is the heaviest album I own, and I really like it. Heavier than that there's just gringcore/noisecore crap that I can't stand. So my limt is pretty high.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:50
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I don't regard music as having limits. My musical preferences span the whole range of sounds, from the most delicate and beautiful, through the abstract and amorphic to the heaviest sounds possible and up to plain noise. I don't think of limits when approaching music. I simply listen to it and if it clicks, I settle with that. I don't pay much attention to the breaking the limits factor when I choose the music for myself, but when recoemmending it to others I am aware of it and try to adapt to that person's "limits".
So I embrace Music, in all its forms and apparitions as long as it suits my brain and satisfies me. Be it the simplest form of it, or the most extreme display of noise/heaviness/complexity and beyond... Those are all sounds after all, it's what you do with them and how you create them that makes the difference.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 12:55
And that's how is supose to be.  ------------- 
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 13:01
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^^^
To us this is how it “works”. But for others it is not the same. And eventually, to each his own way
And what I like this forum (and this thread) is the chance to read and learn of other people’s way to listen to music.
Mine (and yours) is no better way or the right way to listen. It's the way that each brain works that allows for each person's musical preferences (and all other aspects of personality).
So my path, is the right one for me, but not for others and vice versa. There is no right way. There is YOUR way.
In Music that is...
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Posted By: Jason_Clement
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 13:05
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Hardcore or Death metal stuff. :/
Local gigs =P hahaha |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 13:10
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^^ I understand what you're saying and I know people have different preferences and ideas on how to listen to music. I just pointed out that is good to have an open mind to music and not try to limit oneself to the things one knows (playing it safe) just because this band has growling vocals or this other band is in a genre that I don't like ect. ect.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 13:34
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^^^
I agree.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 13:56
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I can only just take Opeth's Ghost Reveries. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 14:18
| Just felt like popping in and making you aware of the fact that the contrabassoon is capable of producing very low notes and thereby is very heavy aswell. It doesn't really match the insane heaviness of the contrabass saxophone though. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 14:22
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I had mentioned The Chipmunks, but there's a better one and claims to be Heavy Metal:
 Yikes, I rather cut my veins than listen to that.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 14:28
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A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers...
Oh, wait, this is about music...
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Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 21:37
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u want it heaaaavvvaaay?? then get Supersilent's 7 dvd......seriously epic catastrophic fusiontronics rockouts!!!!
on the hardcore/metal side u gotta go for Revenge's Triumph Genocide Antichrist...its more than heavy its positively insane violence!!!!!
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 22:15
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depends on how you define "heavy" I really don't like black metal or blastbeat kind of stuff, but I do really like technical death metal. in fact, just last weekend I saw Cannibal Corpse and Necrophagist!  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 19:02
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Bands that I like and consider heavy: Opeth Meshuggah Anathema Pantera Mastodon The Ocean (almost like Meshuggah, sp. on the album Aeolian) Coprofago Into Eternity Scar Symmetry Nevermore My Dying Bride Orphaned Land All That Remains Dry Kill Logic Kalmah Soilwork Strapping Young Lad Green Carnation The Dillinger Escape Plan Continuo Renacer (awesome instrumentals) Disillusion I love contrasts too. ------------- 
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Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 21:58
| Neurosis is pretty heavy stuff too...ok not extreme blastbeat heavy but their thunderous powerful glacial musick does weigh a serious sonic ton or seven...........as |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 22:05
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Either Queens of the Stone Age or some of heaviest Porcupine Tree stuff. -------------  
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Posted By: Prometheus
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 23:08
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well im going to go along with you guys and say that Meshuggah is probably the heaviest i have...but it's just so heavy that it looses that effect, it all sort of molds together and becomes rather dull...a common complaint, or so i hear. i'd say that Dillinger Escape Plan hold a step up above them, although i've only listened to "Miss Machine" ditto on Fantomas to add something not yet mentioned: try out Acid Mother's Temple's "Electric Heavyland"...it's not your average AMT... |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 23:11
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I can get tolerate a fair amount of "heaviness" as long as it's balanced by other elements. When it becomes too unrelenting it puts me off. I like bits of DT, and Fate's Warning but cannot sit through a whole CD. Heavy is just one element and to focus too much on it robs the listener of so much else that music can do. It's like eating nothing but habenero peppers. Sure, a person can build up the tolerance for it, but you miss out on all the rest of the great food in the world.
I've spent bunches of $ on this stuff, I have all the Dt, and Fates, Evergrey, Some symphony X and PoS and more, but can't really say I like it. It gets to be too much. I've given it a fair try and several hundred dollars and now I move on. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 23:16
Sort of a shame that every Blasphemy/Conqueror/Revenge song is pretty much an indistinguishable wall of blastbeats and vocals with almost entirely inaudible guitar. Conqueror were actually situated here during their lifetime, it sort of troubles me that they're the only metal band from Victoria ever to gain any kind of recognition... |
Posted By: hamham
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 04:39
| I can listen to anything in terms of heaviness. The band "Anal C unt" is entertaining to me :) |
Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 08:13
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I like a lot of metal, and like a lot of you guys the heaviest band to date that I've heard is Meshuggah. ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 09:12
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I guess Opeth, which is my favorite metal band also. I mean, Im sure I can take more heavy than that...but when it comes to the Meshuggahs and such...then its pretty much over for me ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 10:06
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Bryan wrote:
Sort of a shame that every Blasphemy/Conqueror/Revenge song is pretty much an indistinguishable wall of blastbeats and vocals with almost entirely inaudible guitar. Conqueror were actually situated here during their lifetime, it sort of troubles me that they're the only metal band from Victoria ever to gain any kind of recognition... hehehe thats part of the appeal for me....i like it when the guitars are so downtuned and lost in the mix it becomes this retarded oppressive noise drone!!!! I love Conqueror too (they were the predecessor to Revenge) and my, were they KVLT!!! thats why we outside Canada probably heard of them heheheh
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 10:43
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Want heavy? Try:
Early Napalm Death
Godflesh
Earth
Sunn 0)))
Entombed
A. C.
Part Chimp
------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Vodkagunblast
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 10:51
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http://www.uniqueleader.com/MP_3/severed.mp3 come on now... meshuggah is far from the heaviest band out there. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 11:00
I've found the beauty of Meshuggah's Music  It took me months to understand it, thought  |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 11:28
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Blind Guardian is the heaviest I can go... and positively NO growling!!
(not even Opeth, I'm afraid.... I'm a sensitive soul...  )------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 11:30
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Are we talking about heavy or about, for want of a better word, brutal? If it's the latter, then I have no limits, although I rarely listen to death metal or grindcore nowadays.
If it's the former, well, I like Sunn 0))), Burning Witch, Thergothon etc. And is anyone here familiar with Brian 'Lustmord' Williams? Here's what I found out about him:
Lustmord's sound investigations are exquisitely crafted manifestations of horror that balance sublime sound references with the body's natural queasiness about ultra-low frequencies (infrasound -- frequencies below 20 hz -- has been known to cause vomiting, permanent hearing loss, and even death).
Now that must be heavy. Does anyone here know how often he goes for infrasound on his albums?
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:23
I wouldn't want to take the risk to try one anyways, if infrasound is lethal...  |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 16:16
Well, I listened to a 30-second sample from http://www.soleilmoon.com - http://www.soleilmoon.com , and if I died in the process, then my Internet connection in the afterlife is as fickle as always. Anyway, while I definitely felt some physical discomfort, the infrasounds he used bore a certain beauty. I'll try to check out more of the stuff. I'm fairly confident only prolonged exposure to such frequencies can cause damage (after all, Brian Williams IS alive), but I'll be careful.
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 02 2006 at 20:38
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Posted By: rainbow111
Date Posted: December 03 2006 at 12:22
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Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath (whichever is heavier) I don't like Thrash or Death metal...it's terrable! ------------- It's got to be slow Taking love the only way It's got to just flow Making love and taking time to let it grow |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: December 03 2006 at 15:43
| ^Black Sabbath is much heavier than Iron Maiden. The latter is harder though. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 02:54
| I gather there's a difference between 'hard rock' and 'heavy rock' so Iron Maiden and Motorhead fall into the former category presumably?! If so then I would say Rainbow 'Stagazer' is about the heaviest thing I like. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 15:52
 Probably latter-day Crimson approaches my "heaviness" limit.
(I have to be in the mood for that, too.)
Other than that, Jeff Beck's last two, & some Steve Morse are pretty heavy, for my collection. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 16:43
I think we're the lightweights 'round here, Petey. I always found Danny and Keith Partridge to be on the heavy side.
Seriously, if it's done with taste and melody even metal can be rewarding. I don't waste time pushing the "skip" button when the cookie monster raises his ugly head, er, voice. Across the board it's a genre that I find too few diamonds to bother mining the field.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:06
Hmmmm... parts of the Mamas & the Papas, and Mountain were pretty darned HEAVY too, come to think of it....
  Sorry -- that was too obvious, wasn't it?  Now post a pic of you in that red Power Ranger suit, Dan!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:11
 Get yer W-I-D-E screen monitors (at least two) ready, progholes.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:38
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peter those pics crashed my computer, damn you!
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:47
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Cryptopsy. (Extreme Technical Death Metal) Tremendously brutal!! Actually I can't understand A WORD of what the singer shouts. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">  
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:49
Perhaps it's not in Spanish, then.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:50
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I love bands like Messhugah, Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Mutant, Theory in Practice, Death, Opeth, etc, etc... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: December 06 2006 at 05:12
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Slayer is the heaviest band I can stand. I know, there are some bands that make their music sound as lullabies, but I don't find anything good on them. ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: Howe Protege
Date Posted: December 06 2006 at 15:18
| Anything void of melody is way past my limit. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 06 2006 at 15:20
| Anything heavier than hardcore and death metal is past my limit. |
Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: December 06 2006 at 23:21
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Well I guess the heaviest I can go is complete drone... like sunn 0))) As said before heavy can be the best form of music is performed right... Some of my favorite examples: Anekdoten - Nucleus Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Phthisis & Donkey-Headed Adversary of Humanity Opens the Discussion Meshuggah - Nothing as a whole Opeth - Wreath, Demon of the Fall, April Ethereal, etc. Guapo - Five Suns Alamaailman Vasarat - Kivitetty Saatana, jaa hyva mieli, Asuntovelka, Tankkaustunti King Crimson - Red, Starless, Larks Tongues in Aspic Pt. II, Level Five Akercocke - Verdelet Devin Townsend/Strapping Young Lad - Storm, Life is All Dynamics, Dedhead, Love? Slayer - Postmortem, Raining Blood, Angel of Death Decapitated - Day 69, The Fury, Three Dimensional Defect, Post ()Organic Sigur Ros - Untitled 08 off of ( ) There are many many more... but then i'd drag in a slew of metal and other stuff ------------- You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 18:46
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Fantomas - Suspended Animation
Melvins - Stoner Witch
Dead Meadow - Debut
Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
The Mars Volta - Deloused in Chromatorium
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
King Crimson - Power to Believe
All are very heavy albums that I like.
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:03
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Sleepytime gorilla museum, I think. It's not about how heavy, but about how creative it is. That's why opeth is so boring to me. Trash, Thrash, Death, Black, Heavy, Happy, Crappy, Slappy, Gothic, Neurothic and the else just sounds funny in my ears, unless the goals of the compositions are placed beneath the label. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:31
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I don't really have limits, but I dislike it when I get the feeling the heaviness is an attitude. heaviness must make sense from an artistic point of view; a band that is heavy just for being heavy usually bores me. unfortunately I have this feeling with most heavy bands. a really heavy band I like are Skyclad; their sound is highly original because of the use of a violin. I would welcome Skyclad into the archives even. another band I like are Ice Age. some artists which are filed under "prog metal" here I would kick out though, because I can't discover anything proggy about them (must I say Devin Townsend?) -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:35
I second that. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:37
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Mine is very low. Probably the heaviest I tolerate is Dream Theater - Awake
I'm not exactly a metal fan -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:46
You've to hear that band, and then tell me if you understand anything Lord Worm shouts (yeah, damn cool name!). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:50
heavy... bah... what do you know about 'heavy '  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:56
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probably as heavy as Opeth, Rhapsody, Dragonforce ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 19:58
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I think many albums that are called "heavy" are not heavy at all. What I miss about them is a bit of dirt. They are loud and fast, ok, but the harmonies they use are so simple and banal that I don't regard them as "heavy". To be heavy you have to be dirty too. "Heavy" has in my opinion absolutely nothing to do with speed, by the way. One of the heaviest albums of all time (in my opinion) is the live album "Vital" by Van der Graaf Generator. There are lots of albums by prog metal bands which are faster, but none kicks me in the guts as much as "Vital" does. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 20:04
you need to post more often
Couldn't agree more. Though YS is the king of heavy.. plenty of
'dirt' in that. Here...Have a couple of clappies... Great album by the way.. have a couple more.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 21:11
Sometimes i question whether he himself even knows what he's singing
 Good band though!
As for myself (i don't think i've posted in this thread yet) there aren't really any limits. Metal is where it all started for me, so by now i've explored it to the extent that i can stomach anything as far as brutality goes. I do find death metal and grindcore are full of boring, uninspired crap and there are perhaps more boring bands than decent bands, but there are some really good bands throughout the style. So, as others have commented, the degree of heaviness isn't a problem at all, it's the degree of originality that interests me.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 22:25
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In terms of pure violence, my extreme would be Messhugah.. Well, WHAT THE HELL could be more violent than Messhugah? (other than hell itself).... But in terms of "death-iness" or pure heavyness, i can take whatever is thrown at me as long as it has at least something resembling a melody, some structure. I even liked a couple grindcore songs. I used to like Benediction, Carcass, Pyogenesis, and even a couple songs by Deicide. Maybe today I wouldn't like them that much if I heared them, but then again, maybe I would. Messugah was too much for me even when I was comfortable listening to Morbid Angel, so maybe things stay the same. But I don't feel the urge, the need to actually find out about this. It's the interest that has fallen a bit, not the capacuty of my ears to absorb pain. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 22:38
| Kayo Dot is about my limit. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 05:33
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To be honest, heaviness in metal and in grindcore has been around for so long that it ceases to have much impact. When you've heard Wormed, Origin, Worship and any generic grindcore or raw black metal band there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go.
I find a band like Shellac or Big Black much more brutal than any metal band just because of the delivery of the lyrics (if there was no irony I'd probably be deeply offended!) All that said, there are no limits for me. That's not to say heaviness can't be used to cover up the fact that a band has rubbish songs, though
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 05:45
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micky's right in that Bronzo are heavier than most black metal bands. you need bass to be heavy, and what black metal usually is, is HARSH. ;) I like drone and funeral doom so there's no limit to my love of heaviness. but I can't stand the Flying Luttenbachers for very long because free jazz mixed with noise is too much for me - I like heavy but not harsh if that makes sense. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 10:12
| If I think about heavy as opposed to light, Merzbow is the heaviest "music" I've ever listened to. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 13:50
I agree that heavy and harsh are two entirely different things! It's good to finally see someone who shares this view. Heaviness is no problem for me either, but I don't like overly harsh music. |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 14:23
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DUN - Eros ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 15:58
I don't quite understand what you mean by "harsh". do you perhaps mean "dissonant"? if so, I disagree. heavy music without dissonance is like a barking dog without teeth ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 02:13
what I mean is sounds at a certain register... noise/power electronics ensembles enjoy making music based around metallic percussive sounds or blasts of pure white noise. black metal bands usually employ high, shrieking vocals that are often distorted and pair that with ringing guitar riffs played very high on the neck.. a lot of free jazz involves someone strangling a reed instrument to death. these sort of sounds are what I term harsh. dissonance is a different thing, of which I enjoy a certain element of in my music - I'm a KC and chamber fan after all. edit: my mistake, the free jazz skronk does fall under the definition of dissonance  but I'm referring to the sheer noise value rather than the disjointed melody and lack of continuity.------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 08:29
Yet again, we agree.  |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 10:30
Even the largest and most capable domestic speakers won't really reproduce anything below 20Hz (and for purposes of musical reproduction, there's no need to do so). So as far as being able to experience "infrasound" at home from CDs or other media is concerned, I think we're dealing with hype really. Of course Lustmord may be able to do something like this live with the right equipment, which I imagine would be an uncomortable experience.
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 10:40
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I enjoy melodic black metal, death metal, thrash metal, speed metal, power metal, etc...
But when it comes to that style called Grindcore, that's just too much for me... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 23:11
You know, heavy and "heavy: are different things; Cannibal Corpse is "heavy", which means its brutal, gory, wild, noisy, an assault to ears and mind. "The thing that should not be", by Metallica, in MASTER OF PUPPETS, now that's heavy: heavier than that riff is difficult to get. Sad but True is another example of a heavy, stomping riff. And really, Black Sabbath was the source of so many heavy riffs and music.... so sometimes noise and violence could be confused with heavyness. So I rephrase what I said earlier: the most violent music I can take os Messhugah, the most noisy some grindocre and death, the most heavy, bring whatever you want, as long as it's good.  -------------
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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 23:12
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Slayer-Raining Blood ------------- 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 23:42
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How heavy can you make it?
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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: January 31 2007 at 23:46
lol,HAHAHAHAHA -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 01 2007 at 22:03
| I am still not "into" the cookie monster growls, no matter if the band is considered "prog" whatever. THe heaviest bands that I have in my collection are Pantera & Phil Anselmo's side project - Down. I consider System of a Down heavy, but with more twists than other "metal" groups; although it has become a pattern. I do agree that among the usual progressive rock groups, King Crimson is the heaviest, with Rush being able to outriff if they wanted to. Unfortunately, for this to happen we would need to find a time machine & send Neil, Geddy & Alex back to 1978 ... |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: February 01 2007 at 22:19
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Heavy is a state of mind, it really has little to do with riffs or growls. It's about concentrating energy. King Crimson is a lot 'heavier' than many metal bands. Hell, Johnny Cash was heavy. I wish I could explain it better, but I think maybe you get the point?
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 01 2007 at 22:32
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prob Green Day
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