Least Favorite "Great" Prog Band
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Topic: Least Favorite "Great" Prog Band
Posted By: epictetus1
Subject: Least Favorite "Great" Prog Band
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:06
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The 10 bands listed in the poll are considered to be among the elite of progressive rock. They appear prominantly in the Prog Archives Top Music Albums listings. However, I sometimes wonder how many others, like myself, do not particularly enjoy certain "all-time great" bands. For example, I am still trying to like Genesis, Rush and Pink Floyd, but they just do not "turm me on" like Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Camel or Gentle Giant. So I offer this poll, not to see the most popular band, but to see which of the great bands is least popular. Give it a vote! |
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:19
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Camel, I don't think they were great,there are bands more successful and infinately more innovative than Camel. To me they sound too typical. Nice sounding though but certainly should not be anywhere near the top 100, I think they laked that edge and innovation that garnered other prog bands the attention, I think they played it too safe. Pleasant enough but nothing impressive. ------------- |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:20
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Love them all.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:25
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Dream theater is my favorite band so that rules them out.... of all the others, all of them of the "classic" era, Yes is my favorite (and the only in my top ten of all time).... Genesis, Floyd, Crimson, rush, Giant, all masters....so that leaves only Tull, VDGG and Camel.... Tull is very good, I haven't heard Camel, and VDGG is good but it didn't work 100% for me.... so in other words... I have no idea.... but let's be irrational and vote for the band I haven't bought a cd from, for tham shows I don't care much about knowing them... Camel.
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Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:47
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I hate DT with a passion ------------- When the world is sick Can't no one be well But I dreamt we were all beautiful and strong 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:53
I don't hate them with a passion... Only because I decided not to give them enough of a chance to earn that sort of disrespect... 
Anyway, they got my vote, I like all the others. |
lightbulb_son wrote:Posted By: AcostaFulano
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:54
| I just can't seem to completely get into KC |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:55
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I like 'em all. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:57
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I love DT with a passion.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 22:59
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I am fans of them all,but i picked JETHRO TULL although i was looking for ELP. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 23:03
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Dream Theater. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 23:23
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The only one I dislike at all is Dream Theater, and I don't dislike it a lot, it's just not my thing. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 00:03
| I don't care much about Dream Theater, all the other ones are great. |
Posted By: Father Tiresias
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 00:03
| I like them all but if I'd have to choose one, I'd say VdGG. Quite too dark for my taste. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 00:03
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Tull.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 00:17
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And Gentle Giant is officially the best prog band ever...
While Dream Theater is officially the most overrated... ... |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 00:26
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Thanks for giving us the official facts, inpraiseoffolly.
I, too, looked in vain for ELP. |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 00:26
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This is just some ones opinion of the big ten I don`t see it that way at all
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 00:37
I do my best .
EDIT: I disagree with both the "facts" I presented, by the way.
 
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Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 01:44
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I've tried to get into VDGG but it just doesn't do it for me.
Gentle Giant too, but to a lesser extent.
I rate the rest highly.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 01:56
Well I don't have Dream Theater among any of the "greats".  But I also don't absolutely love ELP. Their good, their excellent, but also their mellow and their uncharming. ------------- 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 01:59
Seconded. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 02:44
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There is a gap between Dream Theater and the other nine bands. I´m still trying to find out why. I even like ELP more than Dream Theater. 70´s prog is the best! ------------- Right down the line |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 03:49
Rush, than YES 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 04:34
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Rush, out of those. I still like'em very much though. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 04:53
At last! A poll that Dream Theater deserves to win! 
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 05:10
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actyually I like all mentioned bands, so I'll refrain from voting. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 05:11
Third. ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 05:13
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I was undecided between Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd, almost voted for the latter, but then I realized DT...
Odd24, I definitely agree with you!
and:
 ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 05:29
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King Crimson. I always prefered them out of the 70's prog giants. ------------- 
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Posted By: shanocles
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 06:11
RUSH SUCK! (sounds like a new name for a drink  )
sorry but i just don't get the whole rush thing. ------------- if left is wrong i don't wanna be right... 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 06:41
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 06:43
Oh, and, um, in the first section (best prog band ever), there is now Pink Floyd. Finally a fact I can agree with... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 06:52
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Dream Theater. It's been a long time since i last listened to them, I don't even know why.
I'm not too keen on Gentle Giant (I've only listened to 3 albums of theirs) but then again maybe i should listen more.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 06:53
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 07:04
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Excluding DT, as long as they can't be called "Great" band, my least favourite from this list is Yes. ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 07:11
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I never quite got VDGG so I voted for that but may need to give them more spins
Camel also I find a bit second rate. They have moments of brilliance but to me half each album sounds like jamming.
The other 8 and the strangely excluded ELP are great ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 07:47
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They are all great even if not equally great. I don't dislike any of these. |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 08:02
| JETHRO TULL |
Posted By: Eat_Paris
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 08:03
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we are talking bout the greats here... but in terms of "the least" it will have to be Camel for me.. never get much "kick" out of them... but IMHO.... DREAM THEATER RULEZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- "love prog .. simply because its beautiful" .. and lindsay lohan =P~ |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 08:06
Hah, and your wrong on both counts, very wrong. I voted for Yes, there nothing special to me. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 08:06
| Well of those listed, it's probably Dream Theater. The only album I think is all that great and consistent is 'Scenes From A Memory'. The songwriting obviously came first with that one- ironic that it should be a concept album, then. The others I have of theirs have too many long winded solos for my taste, and too many sub par AOR ballads ('Octavarium' stand up). |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 09:22
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Dream Theater definitely. I listen to them occasionally (well, rarely really). Guess I'm still living in the 70's! ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: RaúlGuate
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 09:39
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I had the same idea for a poll a few days ago, but I thought it was too negative. Nah, it doesn't matter if it's negative. Anyway, I wouldn't have given the option for DT, because we already know that it's one of the most... controversial bands on this site. My vote goes for Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd is yuk for me, although sometimes enjoyable. |
Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 09:45
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I voted KC, because of the ones I know enough of to make a judgement they are the one I like least...I donk really know any GG, and only a couple of VDGG and Camel, but like what I know..... ------------- Facebook hashtags: #100greatestprogrockchallenge #scottssongbysong #scottsspotlight |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 09:46
Dream Theater is the only metal band listed, thus this poll is hopelessly skewed.
They'll be slaughtered like squealing swine by all of us more "traditional-minded" prog fans!
 Wheeeeee!
 Seriously, this poll seems pretty pointless.
Sorry.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 09:51
| Down with Dream Theater. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 10:31
so what? this is a fact of life
 ...apparently the topic starter took only those bands listed in the top 100 or whatever in progarchives... what can we do, when DT is the one and only prog metal band in this scope (which actually shows how much overrated it is!)
go, go, go, kill it, slaughter, rip off their heads
 if DT wasn't on the list, I believe PF would have assumed its role, or Rush maybe... (don't be distracted by the ratings; ask DT bashers which one would they have prefered in place of it!) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 10:37
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Ah, but people might not have voted if Dream Theater had not been present! (I probably wouldn't have, actually) They are both the current poster boy and the whipping boy of prog!!
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 11:00
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I still would have voted in order to bash PF (look at my first post!) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 11:05
| I'd have to say King Crimson. Their debut is a PRogressive Rock masterpiece but after that most of their material does little for me. |
Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 11:16
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I have massisve amounts of respect for KC, but their style doesn't always work for me, that's why I voted that way.....BTW Floyd would be my 2nd choice of those listed, they get a but "DOWN" for my taste most of the time, but when I'm in the right mood it is KILLER...lol ------------- Facebook hashtags: #100greatestprogrockchallenge #scottssongbysong #scottsspotlight |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 11:43
| Like many others, I don't consider Dream Theater to be one of the true greats of Prog. I don't like them that much, so they got my vote. I'm not too fond of ELP either though. |
Posted By: Yito
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 11:45
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Why the people keep say that Dream Theater is overrated is one of the greatest bands ever
 by the way, for me is very hard vote in this poll, but i vote for VDGG, because they have much jams without feeling in their songs.
------------- Psalm 96 1 Sing to the LORD a new song; sing to the LORD, all the earth. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 13:24
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mmm, I really like them all...but if I have to Dream Theater Rush Camel Gentle Giant VDGG Pink Floyd Jethro Tull Genesis Yes King Crimson ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Hacketeer
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 14:18
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I voted for Floyd as I find them exceedingly dull.
I was tempted to vote for Dream Theatre <<<proper spelling! as a) IMO, they are not a "proper" prog band - not an original note in their repertoire, and, b) All the other bands were at the forefront of the original prog movement. ------------- "Just keep me nose clean, egg, chips & beans, I'm always full of steam" |
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 15:00
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King Crimson! Just can't seem to get into them apart from ITCOTCK! ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: White Shadow
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 15:19
| I'm not really a big fan of progressive metal, at all. I mean, Dream Theater has their moments (Metropolis pts 1 and 2, Some stuff on Images) but I don't care for their style. Sorry, but I have to say this was an easy answer. |
Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 15:57
...that's the European spelling. It is not the proper spelling. Either way is proper, however the official spelling BY THE BAND is ER, nor RE. |
Posted By: epictetus1
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 16:17
| The way I came up with this top 10 list was totally objective, based on the Prog Archives Top Albums list.....I just took the first 10 bands that had at least 2 albums listed, starting with #1. Anyway, my curiosity has been satisfied. It looks like the majority of progheads (including me) do not favor prog metal music over the classic Symphonic/Art Rock/Folk/Psych-Space prog music. A generalization, but a fair one I think. Of the most popular bands listed in the prog archives, Dream Theater is least beloved and it sounds as if ELP would have captured some "tough love" too (I can't stand them either). I can understand some people having a hard time with Rush and VDGG. Actually, the poll went pretty much as I thought it would. Thanks for participating and PROG ON!!! |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 16:21
As I've said, that's not what I think. That was my analysis of the poll results at the time.
Now, however, Genesis and Pink Floyd are the best prog bands ever.
Dream Theater, it seems, is still the most overrated...
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 16:23
Heh, PF is in last place, which, like in golf, is a good thing.
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 16:37
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My vote goes to Yes, great musicians but a terrible vocalist.
Sorry, but I can´t stand his voice.
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Posted By: Camelfan
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 17:36
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I don't listen to prog metal so I can't judge Dream Theater and I haven't heard a substantial amount of Rush yet. With that in mind, from worst to greatest: Van Der Graaf Generator (not horrible or anything, just boring sometimes) Jethro Tull Yes Gentle Giant King Crimson Genesis Pink Floyd Camel |
Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 17:41
| Jethro Tull. This is one of few art rock bands, that mostly I can't enjoy. They bore me. |
Posted By: lucky_man123
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 17:43
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Is Dream Theater an elite prog band?
I voted for Jethro tull because I didn't think DT deserved to be on the poll. Jethro Tull is great, but they're still obnoxious. |
Posted By: Filmdirector2
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 19:09
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Gentle Giant for me.
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Posted By: willy
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 23:03
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I like Yes the least, which is saying alot because I like Yes quite a bit.
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 23:10
I don't like this thread; I love all the bands! 
(It's a good thread, I just don't want to choose) ------------- 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 07:21
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I'm not keen on Dream Theater. It would be too strong to say I dont like them at all, there are selected` tracks, but overall they do little for me. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 13:31
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Dream Theater. How can one hate Gentle Giant?! They are the best band ever!!! ------------- Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 13:54
By the way, it saddens me to see that VdGG is the second most hated out of these! |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 14:08
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Out of all these bands, Dream Theater is the only one I don't have in my collection. I have heard them, and I have no desire to own any of the albums.
Of the ones I do have, Camel would probably be at the bottom. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 14:17
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IMHO neither Rush or Camel are among the elite of Prog Rock and much less Dream Theater, the big 6 were always Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull. Itaian bands as PFM, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Le Orme; Dutch as Focus, Sweden as Anglagard or Par Lindh, etc, deserve much more to be in a top list than Dream Theater.
If I had to vote among the real elite I would go with King Crimson, never really understood most of their albums.
But from this list, my obvious choice is Dream Theater.
Iván
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 15:51
The bands you have listed have not at all had the effect that Dream Theater has on the new progressive rock world. I support DT being on this list as they are at the top of the list of modern prog as many of the other bands listed are at the top of the classic prog list. I very much enjoy all of the bands on the list, but sadly I must vote for VDGG. I enjoy their music very very much but I feel dispite the fact that they have a fantastic fansatic lyric/ songwriting base, (basically all Peter Hammill) their instrumental base is a bit off in my opinion. Their lack of true professional guitar and bass players makes them appeal less to me. Also many of their songs are about half as complex as other classic prog bands. I feel that most of the time its only organ, drums, sax and vocals playing. Don't get me wrong, all of the songs that I have heard by them are fantastic, with many of their melodies being captivating. I like what I have heard from Peter Hamill's solo work a little bit more actually. This was a very tough desicion for me of couse. ------------- 
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 17:16
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I thought this was going to be an extremely hard poll. I felt sure ELP would be on here, and, they are, along with Dream Theater, my least favourite prog band. Now, to choose between those two would be extremely difficult indeed! I was sweating, I can tell you!
However, seeing as ELP are not on the list, the choice is made very easy - Dream Theater!!!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 17:45
| ^Although very over-the-top at times, ELP comes nowhere near Dream Theater in terms of sheer cheesiness, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps they should've chosen a singer with different surname... |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 17:56
| I'm pretty outnumbered here, but I think DT is is the second best prog-metal group next to Fates Warning. Every member of the band is a virtuoso with the exception of James LaBrie, who most people despise. Jethro Tull are far more boring thatn DT, though every band on this poll is amazing. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:01
That's the main problem of the band, they are a group of virtuoso players almost in a contest trying to prove who can do the most complex solos and the team work is left aside.
The worst thing is that the most talented of their members (John Myung) can barely be listened by human ears.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: smithers
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:39
| Dream theatre gets my vote ;). But King Crimson probably come second. They only have a dozen fairly cool songs from 1969-1974 then they broke up. Were fairly good in the 80s though. |
Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 19:43
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Hahaha. So nice to see Dream Theater doing so well in this poll!
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 21:20
| I can't stand Pink Floyd, definitely the only one on that list that I truly hate. |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: November 18 2006 at 21:40
That's right, I always found Myung to be the most talented of the band... even if Petrucci is all right I prefer Al Di Meola... But with Myung it's a very even choice amidst other great bass players (even including jazz bassists)
I voted Dream Theater, but basically they are not fitting too well on this list, and in favour ELP should had been listed.
If ELP came in instead of Dream, I would had voted VDGG... they're not bad, but I can't stand Hamill's nihilist philosofizing nor his vocals, and I can't get myself into their music ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 01:37
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Pink Floyd and very close, Dream Theatre...
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Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 04:11
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For those of you who voted for Dream Theater, I pity you. Your heart is as cold as your mind is closed. Go ahead and keep your satisfaction of knowing that Dream theater is the most hated band in prog. They are NOT, however, the most overrated band in prog. This poll is indicative of the fact that that moniker belongs to someone else. So don't call them that. Go ahead and bash them all you want. They're not going to go away. Those of us who appreciate DT will not go away. We'll just keep on loving the same incredible music you will never be able to hope to appreciate. Again, I pity you. And the more DT is hated here, the more cool us pro-DT progfans are. Down with the status quo! ------------- 
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 04:44
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I don't really understand all this "DT-hate". Why so ??? DT are very decent prog-metal band, full of virtouso musicians, participating in excellent side projects. DT are one of the icons of the sub-genre, doing their prog-metal job perfectly. There is whole lotta bunch of DT-clones, really despisable outfits, who rightfully deserve all thumbs down, but everyone seems to be obsessed with giving DT a kick. I am not a big fan of DT, nor of prog-metal in general, but I must admit they have their perfect moments. And my main point - for many people that I know DT served comfortable transitional bridge to finally escape realms of metal on their way to true Prog.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 05:12
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i also voted DT, but i can't see any hate in this. i think you DT fans are overreacting. if you accuse me of "hate" and you "pity" me, that's not good image for DT. you must understand that bands with "hardcore" fans have more chances to get a rejection response from neutral persons. it also fair for both sides to agree on the difficult context. DT fans must agree that many votes here go for DT not because of their musical achievemts, but because of the "DT phenomenon" which, as i said, irritates neutral persons. on the other side, it was not fair to put DT in this list because there's no comparison with the rest, which are all representative for the classic era. there is no common ground, despite the filiations; you can't compare father to son, uncle to nephew. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: jalas
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 11:49
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I have music from all of these bands so I can listen to any whenever I want. I never ever ever pick up any King Crimson. It's not that they're not good, but I never am in the mood. ------------- 
JOIN THE COMMUNIST PARTY! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 11:55
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VdGG.I could never get into them. -------------  |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 12:05
I voted for Gentle Giant, i like all the other groups on the poll but i just can't get round those silly vocals - sorry GG fans!
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 12:11
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I got the impression that DT fans think rest of us actually HATE Dream Theater. I also voted for DT, but I think they are quite good. They are just not on the same level of the other excellent bands mentioned here, IMHO. ------------- |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 12:17
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I voted for Dream Theatre even although I don't consider them a 'Great' prog band.hahaha
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 13:18
It's not hate, so don't get defensive... I myself feel appreciation for their individual talents.. I think "An Evening With John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess" is a superb live non-DT performance, and some Liquid Tension is passable at most. But, aside from some good arrangements, DT's music doesn't strike me as the "high quality" sound I thought they had when I was younger... I recently passed my teenages (I'm now 20), so don't think that all people who dislike in some way DT are close-minded old greasers who live in the past (no offense, good people  , by the way I think you know where that pun came from hahaha). I've heard almost all of their albums (my streak ended when I listened to TOT.. although I've heard some Octavarium) and after listening to many classic bands I look back to DT and don't find it interesting anymore. Their attitude is the first let-down... and there are just too much Iron Maiden and Metallica influences (later some nu-metal) that really spoil the songs, so as far as the music goes, it's a bit overrated, but still they have some decent ideas every now and then. I said in a post that Portnoy is overrated, but he's still very good, I just don't get the fuss about him being the best drummer. Rudess is very talented, and the most talented keyboard player DT's had. Petrucci is very professional (although a bit formulaic most of the time, but extremely accurate) and, well, Myung is the most underrated member in my opinion, I don't hear much praise about him as I do about Portnoy or Petrucci, perhaps because he's so darned drowned in the mix. Let's face facts: they are not one of the "greats" of progressive rock because they just make a collage of pre-established styles and soundscapes, and they incorporated cartoonish elements of NWBHM to sort of spoil the progressiveness. But most of us don't really hate them, just sort of dismiss them... I respect your taste, but as for me, they mightl never gain my attention again------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 13:31
Grow up.
I don't like metal -- only one metal band is listed, so I voted for them. No big deal.
You can hardly judge the state of my "heart" or my mind on that basis.
It's just music, remember -- not religion, politics or the environment.
My dad doesn't like metal either. Oddly, though, my father is a kind, warm-hearted, loving man, with a good education and an open, inquiring mind....
I guess one's taste in music (or one's response to one, insignificant poll) is not really an all-revealing "window into the soul," hey?
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Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 14:29
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As I went to bed last night, I wanted to clarify something from my last post. It hasn't bugged me when people simply voted for DT, but when they genuinely show perverse pleasure in noting that DT is getting "slaughtered" in this poll, it's just plain disheartening. I respect that anyone wouldn't like the band. But to mock them at the same time feels like your laughing at my personal taste in music. Peter, you're right: it's NOT politics, it's music. And that's exactly why I don't understand why I see so many people have flaming, negative posts about them (and mostly I'm referring to others, not you). Personally, I voted for Pink Floyd. But saying something along the lines of "FINALLY PINK FLOYD REALLY DESERVES TO WIN THIS POLL, KILL THEM KILL KILL KILL" is hopefully something I wouldn't resort to. Ahem...
So this is how "grown-ups" act, eh? I guess I'll grow up when I learn to avoid negative polls like this. Now that I took the bait, I'm only destined to make myself unhappy. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 14:47
I, too, agree that Dream Theater doesn't fit in here, and that ELP is the obvious band to go in its place. A bit unfair.
I voted for Dream Theater even though I don't think they're appropriate for this list. I don't hate Dream Theater, but they do leave my heart cold and don't engage my mind (intellect) in a personally satisfying way. It's a matter of taste, experience and association. I just don't connect with the music strongly. I've never been into metal. However, I can enjoy "metal" elements very much when utilised sparingly in songs -- primarily for contrast -- by Prog artists not labelled "Prog Metal". I quite like DT's stuff (what I know of it) because it's not hardcore metal, but there is other music that conforms to my disposition that pleases me more -- that includes all of the other bands listed in this poll. I had to choose something, and DT is the band I like least (though I don't really dislike DT). Really, why pity us? There are plenty of great Prog bands for every Prog taste. There are hundreds of Prog bands whose music I really like, and hundreds more to discover. Why push a band that doesn't appeal to one when there are so many bands that do and will readily appeal? I find great new Prog on a daily basis (shame I can't afford to buy all of the CDs, but there is a plethora of legal mp3s to enjoy at this site, myspace, and at the band's official sites).
So I take it you consider Genesis to be the most "overrated" (your choice of word) bands since they have the fewest votes in this particular poll? Is that the band you voted for then? Which band did you choose, and why? Or did you not bother to vote, preferring instead merely to criticise those who do have a clear dis-favourite which is DT? I would have voted for most any Prog Metal band that I knew reasonably well if it were on the list... Unless a Neo-Prog band also had made the list (though there a few I like, but not the really popular ones). I wouldn't dream of calling DT "overrated" (an overused and overly theatrical term in my opinion) even if others have. Well, maybe I would, but I do have some pretty bizarre dreams. The so-called great classic bands are dwelled upon a little too much for my liking, but it's because they are so well-known that people consistently refer to them. I'd rather did deeper to bring the more obscure into the popular light -- but then as those less-known bands become mainstream amongst Progheads here, the cycle repeats.... So much great Prog and yet relatively few Prog bands are commonly focused on.
And feel free to bash DT bashers too -- they're not going to go away either. For some bashing is it's own reward, and entertaining to boot. Fun, fun, fun, especially when it provokes a reaction. Those who appreciate the not so fine art of dumping on DT (and taking-the-piss with DT 'fan-boys' - a pejorative term) will not go away. Take it with a pinch of salt. It really doesn't matter what I think of the music you like and what you think of the music I like. It's enough that music is liked by ourselves. Indeed, DT has become too popular a target -- the more some express theyir approval the more others will jump on the band-wagon to be part of the Dream-bashing team.
Liking something that many people hate doesn't make you cool -- just different. I'm cool with differing tastes despite others' tastes leaving me cold. Cool is not caring what other's think of your tastes, and nothing wrong with being quietly confident that what you like is special but others just don't "get it." Cool is not worrying about what others think when it's a matter of taste -- accepting that we have different tastes. Pitying others who don't like the same things you like is not cool (I noticed you italicised 'cool' so not sure quite how you're using the term). If you like them -- good for you, I'm cool with that. Just as there are many vocal detractors, there are many who love them. It is because of the number of DT lovers that there are so many DT detractors, of course. Nothing cool about hating, obviously, but some prefer to express disapproval in strong terms simply because they enjoy doing so (and because it can provoke humorous over-the-top reactions). I must admit, however, that knowing and appreciating some of the more obscure Prog bands out there does make me feel a little special. Not very special here, mind you, since there are plenty who know those and far more. Still, sure, down with the status quo -- the status quo is unprogressive by nature. I'm all for change (well, positive, as I see it, change -- i.e. change that benefits me). I'm all for challenging our conceptions and broadening our tastes. I feel that if more people were familiar with the more obscure Prog artists, the so called greats would not be held in quite the same adulatory esteem. The so called greats are populist Prog (well known amongst Progheads). That doesn't mean that they're not excellent, but there's a lot of music out there that I consider to be at least equally good that is hardly spoken of, simply because it's not so well-known. One might say that these bands rose to prominence because they were so excellent, or because they were originators, but that's not the whole story. Being a DT fan doesn't make you part of an elite clique anymore than being a DT hater makes you an elite member of the Prog cognoscenti (those purveyors of purportedly good taste). In my local music store I find DT albums, but I can't find many Prog albums I'm interested in since I'm looking for more obscure artists. My favourite of these poll choices is Gentle Giant. Now they are a big Prog name but little known outside of Prog circles -- the store has none of their albums. And good luck finding albums by recent bands I like in the local music store such as Kotebel, Taal, or Nil let alone classic bands such as Carpe Diem, Crucis, or, a big name here, Magma. I don't pity those that don't enjoy the bands I like, but I do wish they were popular with the general public since I'd like to see more music being made of that ilk. I wish more people would buy their CDs. it's a sahe that so many talented composer/musicians can't afford to quit their day-jobs to pursue music as a real career. And of course it is nice to sahre one's enthusiasm with like-minded people. Some here don't like Gentle Giant -- I will take the opportunity to express with others who don't care for it why I do like it, but I don't expect others to conform to my musical tastes. If they come around, well, sure that makes me happy since I do prefer music as a shared experience and wish i had more friends into the same types of music I really like. I particuloarly wish I could bring my wife over to the Prog-side. -Logan PS Really being cool is not writing inane rambling posts such as this one by me. hehe |
Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 15:36
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Dream theater. I used to like them a real lot. it got boring with the time. Petrucci shreds too much and labrie is too cheesy. Love all the others (the other choises)
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 15:41
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DT.
I only have two studio albums and a live album by them.
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Posted By: Prowler84
Date Posted: November 21 2006 at 17:12
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I like them all but the least favourite one for me is King Crimson. ------------- Steve Harris isn't a God,A God is a Steve Harris |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: November 22 2006 at 09:11
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I've been listening to Gentle Giant recently and, although I don't dislike them, I prefer the others.
I haven't heard Dream Theater; I don't think I'll like them but didn't think it was fair to vote for them on that basis! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |