Experimental/Post rock Appreciation Threa
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Topic: Experimental/Post rock Appreciation Threa
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Subject: Experimental/Post rock Appreciation Threa
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 02:24
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Perhaps my favorite genre after the generic melting pot that is Prog Metal, is that of experimental / post rock. It is probably one of the most ignored genres here, aside from the foreign prog not from Italy. You rarely hear any discussion of these bands outside of GY!BE and Sigur Ros, and that is limited at best to the numerous threads on Yes, Genesis, and Dream Theater. This genre also has hardly any reviews and is few in number of artists. Does no one like any bands outside of GYBE besides the few collabs I know who are diehard fans of the genre like Chamberry? I realize that a lot of this section is under development and lots of work is being done(Ive seen the progtology page), but I'm really hoping we can create more awareness for this genre. The future of the progressive movement really lies here(neo 80's, 90-05 metal, 00-15 experimental??), in my opinion, with prog-metal at the waning point really. All of the great prog metal bands are in their last years, with maybe only 2 albums left in each band(and none of it looks to be very refreshing/unique). I'm really hoping we can get this genre up and moving by the turn of the next year, and the sooner the better. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 02:35
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My problem with this genre is that I find post-rock music very hard to find and even over ebay it can be very expensive when shipping is thrown into the equation. I try to get as much as I can, but I’m limited in the more popular bands. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ounamahl
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 02:44
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True! And I've been spending most of my money to older-prog or to newer symphonic/metal stuff lately. The only Post-Rock albums I have are "The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place" and "Takk...", both are probably 5 star albums so I have a warm feeling for post rock. ------------- This is an electrified fairytale |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 02:51
| Tortoise is one of my favorite bands. |
Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 05:27
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You make some pretty big calls on the future of prog-metal.
Care to explain why you see the genre on the wane with no hope of a resurgence?
I enjoy post-rock and am looking to expand beyond Sigur Ros and GY!BE, so any recommendations would be appreciated.
Lately though, my need for post-rock has been fulfilled by Ashes Against The Grain as I believe this album to be heavily influenced by the genre (to my ears anyway).
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 06:11
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Some others to know are Tortoise, Mogwai, Explosions in the Sky, and Belle Orchetre. But really, you can go to the post rock page here and find tons of great bands.
I don't know how much vitality this thread will have, because I started the exact same one a couple weeks ago, and it's still floating around, but I really do love this genre, and I love to see others that share the same passion for it as I do. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 07:03
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There are a lot of great post-rock bands out there, some of which are just making it on to this site. There are a bunch of unknown, indie type bands that you can find legal mp3 files to sample their music at www.download.com. I discovered GYBE a couple of years ago. Since then , Explosions in the Sky, Mogwai, Tortoise, Mono, Red Sparowes, The Album Leaf, Tristeza, Windsor for the Derby, 65daysofstatic, and many more. For me - great music, never boring. |
Posted By: Magic Mountain
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 08:35
| Ulver is great. I own 'The Balke Album", "Perdition City" and "Blood Inside." All three are fantastic. I agree with UtUmNo1 that Agalloch "Ashes Against the Grain" is a fantastic album. Of course the usual bands associated with post rock like GY!BE, Explosions in the Sky and Sigur Ros are great too. |
Posted By: UtUmNo1
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 11:09
Mate, I'm happy to talk Agalloch all day,any day,with anyone!  
Can't get enough of this great band.
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Posted By: Stefanovic
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 11:13
did anyone mention Pelé or The Mercury Program ? 
two very fine melodic post-rocking experiences !
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 11:33
well think about it, Prog Metal had its boom in the 90's. It's only logical to assume it is past it's peak and a new genre will be at the forefront in the years to come. You can't be on top forever. Even the classic Prog only had 10 years to it at its peak. It's not like prog metal will die, but something else will inevitably take over. All of the famous prog metal bands are aging. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
UtUmNo1 wrote:Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 11:50
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Has anyone heard of the band "Yowie." They are a MathRock Don Caballeroesque Post Rock group and really should be on the Archives. -------------  http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: Stefanovic
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:00
Don Caballeroesque sounds good to me 
a wee bit more info (link, etc...) would be appreciated though
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:01
yay, an appreciation thread.  Experimental/Post rock is among my recent discoveries in music (actually it would have been the latest, if jazz wouldn't have barged in a month ago  ) and it blew me off. Perhaps not the most eloquent form of music, perhaps not the most entitled subtlety of methods and perhaps not the minimalism greatness to everyone's expectation. Nonetheless a dark flavour I rarely encountered, a compendium of delicated maneuvers within that organ-like atmosphere and a passionate shout towards an artistic style. shortly said, Experimental/post rock rulez!  here's what my knowledge reflects till now: godspeed you (!) black emperor! not only masters of the genre, but - by a quick ascension - a favourite music band of mine, generally speaking. Three astounding albums that, with complete sincerity, are close to/"related to"/ exactly masterliness. A sincere sinister conception in a impetous form of music play, a mastered touch in a groundbreaking expression, a fine sip of wine when we normally just go for plain liquids and false aromas.  f#a# (infinity)just read my review. masterliness!f#a# (infinity) (vinyl version)the first two pieces, basically; the feeling is definately cut, but it works fine; dead flag blues finishes differently, by a soft humorous improvisation. can only say it's good they haven't remained limited and select.  slow riot for new zero kanadathe only album that won't get five stars , only three. characteristic continuation of the f#a# style, just in a more fashionable scent and in a cool enough motion. I like the two tracks, but it's a bit too stretched to call them equally great. the work was done well, just the motion follows its allowed form of manifestation. nice EP, proving what I really like in this genre, that such releases have the same attitude as normal, long, elaborated works (LPs etc.) lift your skinny fists like antennas to heavenread my review. it's not my favourite, but damn close to the extremity of being perfect. amazing epic-stored imagination, ecclectic sound manipulation. et caetera, et caetera, et caetera. masterpiece. yanqui u.x.o.(off-topic) amazing cover!  (on-topic) sounds very modern and is a bit loosened on the same tranquill, neverending, impetuos imagination. but there are some part within it that just make you shiver. now I'll probably play fair and give it four stars (contrary to what I priorly said), but it's a great album. three-in-a-row, without a doubt.Godspeed seems awfully silent nowadays, I just hope they'll place once more music under this group and under this legend label. it isn't the same without the exclamation point!  a silver mt. zion (or thee silver mt. zion orchestra and the tra-la-la band) easily understandable, the most prominent side project of Godspeed. and as artists of unchanged virtuosity or vision are involved (togheter with other new ones, equally interesting), it's fine and reasonable to take some of Godspeed's magic and to place it over here. I desperately want to point out how A Silver Mt. Zion is a very artistical movement, how deep the valences of their music can go, how veridic their expressed emotion can be and, naturally, how Efrim doesn't shout, but does art vocal (I've read it or heard many times, it  me off!)  he has left us alone, but shafts of light sometimes grace the corner of our bedroomsthe best album (and, naturally, a phenomen debut). godspeedian and the mt. zion detachement, all in one. some heavy manners or some lights frivolities. some deep thoughts and some smooth waves. an album of reality, an ellusion of the surreal.  born into trouble, as the sparks (is the word correct, I don't really remember) fly upwardswhy is this the best considered album?  kidding... follows the great line and doesn't avoid much from the usual characteristics. sounds very good and gives you the satisfaction (if) of being in the right meanders and flying upwards, towards that shattered egocentric musicality. this is our punk-rock, thee rusty satellites gather + singthe lowest creation. a great option towards the epic, but not convincing otherwise. but not to be dismantled, good moments worthy like always. it's more of an aroma and it's more of a secret meaning. barely easy to listen, rarely to be succesfully understood in its entire.  the pretty little lightning pawas I've said over at slow riot, expect EP greatness. sure, it's a more melodic submission, but goes individually good. the ("almost" ) title track is a gem, the rest is mt. zion vision intellect. horses in the skyread my review I absolutely adore the thick sorrowness that seems to be the ideal here. I consider this the second best achievement after the debut, no offence to born into trouble. and I sometimes feel like what they are doing here, in places, was never done so maturely before (and is risky to be ever done again)recommend e/pr band! don't dare to over-shadow, don't dare to neglect, dear fans. explosions in the sky another prominent effect of the genre, slightly too concentrated on their usual things, nonetheless a clear contact with the known music forms, with its places in which uniqueness to enter, to stay, to shine.  or  how strange, innocenceI liked the debut very much and I appreciate it heavily. there's that "innocence" of style that botheres, there are those un-said things that will come brilliant later. minimalist tranquillity, guitar polyphony, percussion "attempts" of a godspeedian magic, a cohesion mood, a not at all strange sensation that everything is...perfect.   or  those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forevera bit heavy, drodgy and obscure, as to not work; this work did not enchant me, in fact, out of the prejudice of simplicity being unequally evolved towards maturity, I sort of dislike part of this album. still it's way better that the debut and more mature as an act. reserved, still...  the earth is not a cold dead placesliiightly too liked, dear fanboys their greatest work nevertheless and oh, what a close touch towards perfection. emotions, musical astonishments, enviromental cluster, on-going instrumental diversity. a great album. kudos to the reach of eloquence and of absolute art (by the band, chronologically) friday night lights OSTread my review. fall from the top towards the loose minimum. didn't like it. the three guest interventions are weak. the style is submitted to...to what, can I ask? to the soundtrack requirement. the rescue [EP]ep gem! read my review I'm only gonna quote myself by saying that about half of the music done here is better than half of the music done generally. they also break considerably from the conformism, I (we?) can only hope it's gonna resemble the explosions in the sky future. Explosions In The Sky announced an upcoming release (album), can't wait. 65daysofstatic extremely provocative music, coming from a really unconventional meaning of "experimental" or even of "post". I just wonder if this is e/pr magic we're talking about or, moderately, a e/pr extremity that should be regarded carefully. heavy, dark, appealing to the metal temptation, telling frames of imagined dynamics. they weren't the best e/pr experience so far, considering my taste, they'll stay within an edge.  stumble.stop.repeat [EP]didn't like it. minimal things, done bit loose. it's a promising start but nothing more. technique was the only thing coming out loud and that itself with some problems (coherence, complete atmosphere blend et caetera). expect a review of mine on the weekend. oh yeah, ep magic no more.   the fall of mathvery acclaimed, won't say no, I'm just torn between accepting it's brutal convention or disapproving the fact that they treat the "heavy" subject too...too...dramatic. some gem moments, otherwise the queery taste of thunders on your back. it's a good album.  hole [EP]this, strangely, came out good as an impression. I even consider it as good as the fall album. yes, this works and this resembles the taste of the style they want. it's a less heavy interest, but it's much better musically.  one time for all timeand this is 65daysofstatic's best album, one I really enjoyed. if the intention is the multitude of expression, the mature use of experimentality or the music flavour not being totally mechanized, then this is the greatest thing you'll hear (if not, you don't really understand real treats, only materialized popular moves). for what it's worth, it's a fine conceived concept and a shock service for the fan acoustic. --------------- that's about all for now, I am expanding my view into Experimental on a weekly basis. ------------- 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:02
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I like what I've heard from Post-Rock, however, I don't really have the time to hear all the lesser known bands. When I first came to the site, I noticed that the Post-Rock section is rather empty and thought it would be a good idea for me to help fill it with reviews, but I ended up concentrating on lesser reviewed Prog-Metal instead, because I write those reviews with more confidence. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:05
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Furthermore, I disagree with someone pointing out the Prog-Metal decline. It doesn't look like a genre that anything is going to shift my attention from, some exciting obscure stuff has been coming out lately! This year is especially fabulous for interesting P-M. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:05
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I have all GYBE's albums and they're astonishing - nothing can be better!!!
I also have Sigyr Rys' Takk(pretty nice), Oceansize's Effloresce(good too),Bark Psychosis' Hex(good),65daysofstatic's The Fall of Math and almost all studio albums by Mogwai.I like Post Rock
BTW, here's some songs from Russian Post-Rock band BOSCH'S WITH YOU - http://boschwithyou.narod.ru/bosch3.htm - http://boschwithyou.narod.ru/bosch3.htm |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:22
that someone was me ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 12:55
| Lovely music, Post-Rock. So far, I've heard Gospeed You! Black Emperor, Explosions in the Sky, Do Make Say Think and Mogwai. My favourites are Do Make Say Think and Explosions in the Sky. Currently, I have neither time nor money to explore the genre further, but as I really like what I've heard so far, I'm going to get some more Post-Rock as soon as possible. |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 14:05
I know the band and I believe they will be added under RIO/Avant-prog, which is the correct place for them IMO. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atomic_Rooster
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 14:11
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I have to admit, im fairly ignorant as far as Post-rock goes. The only album i have is Agaetis Byrun by Sigur Ros, which i thought was pretty boring after five or so listens. It is certainly peaceful, but it fails to capture my attention. Does anyone have recommendations for an album that might break me into this genre?
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Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 14:12
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On regards to putting Yowie in RIO That sound fair. If anyone wants to hear them I could only find one song and its on their myspace. http://www.myspace.com/yowie%20%20 - http://www.myspace.com/yowie ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10">
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 17:27
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Post-rock? What? When? Good to see people liking this genre and having the "patience" to listen to the bands mentioned.
There are many albums to help you get into the genre, but first I would like some info on your musical taste to give you a good starting point. ------------- 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 17:32
Godspeed You Black Emperor is certainly very good. Other than that, I have little experience with the genre, and I won't until I get more money .
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 17:56
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^^^ What are you planning to get next?
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 18:12
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I'm always shocked whenever people talk about Post rock, how little mention () gets.
IMO it is the greatest album ever recorded. There is simply nothing better. It has the perfect blend of beauty, ethereal moods, and driving melodies. I listen to it at lest twice a day... ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 19:20
I like this album, but I need to be in a certain mood to appreciate it. I don't have the same problem with the other Sigur Ros albums except that I only listen to Agaetis Byrjum at mornings or nights and never in the day, but with () I need to be sad or in a melancholic mood in wich I rarely am. Still a great album. -------------
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 22:03
If Sigur Ros' sedated tranqulity bores you, try some 65daysofstatic. |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 22:12
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65 days is like the coffee of prog
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Posted By: I|I|I|I|I
Date Posted: November 01 2006 at 23:35
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My favorite part of post-rock is that it encompasses many styles throughout it's influences - listen to a band like Pelican and you'll hear some metal, or listen to Do Make Say Think/Tortiose and there's some jazz... or better yet, some Magyar Posse can offer you a slightly classical sound. I'm a big fan of what post-rock is doing for music, as it's moving away from the simplistic forms of modern pop music. While the music itself isn't usually too complex, the form of a post-rock song definitely varies and shows some more artful treatment of dynamics. Good stuff, overall. ------------- Go and listen to my music. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31725 |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 00:50
details? as I don't like coffee... -------------
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 03:15
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I’m not sure either of the decline of prog- metal. A couple of Tool’s albums have managed to cart at #1 in the That said Sigur Ros has achieved tremendous success also, and their latest album Takk… has gone gold in two countries after just a year or so. In conclusion both genres are growing and expect to see the two intertwine. -------------
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 03:18
Neurosis, Isis, Pelican, Cult of Luna, Irepress, Red Sparrowes... I think the two have already intertwined quite firmly. |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 03:37
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Perfect, it has already begun. The two go togeather well IMO. -------------
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 05:41
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Just remembered - I also have BELL ORCHESTRE's album and EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY's The Rescue, both great. Also I'm trying to write my stuff of that kind
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 06:04
I just love it. But all post rock is just incredible ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 07:20
As I say, it is a wonderful album. How is Bell Orchestre, in your opinion? I'm interested. -------------
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 07:29
Agreed.
Many progressive Metal and Avant bands also use post-rock elements, e.g. maudlin of the Well, Kayo Dot, Novembre(latest), Agalloch(the two last albums). ------------- sig |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 08:51
Well, I hope to buy some GYBE, as of now I've only heard it on the radio. Then I'll probably move to Sigur Ros. If they impress me as well, I might move beyond that, but I have no idea where.
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 12:22
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@ rico by coffee i mean its energetic, lively, upbeat, etc. great to start your day with, both coffee and 65days ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 13:06
invigorating yes. I interpreted coffee as the loud bang. 65days are very heavy and they deal with that magnificently. I just wonder sometimes if the heavy "mash-up" isn't a sacrifice on the melodicity or luscious comprehension's side. One Time... treats best the style and the emotion. Fall Of Math is slightly too much of a hard treaty. -------------
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 02 2006 at 22:37
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bump to the first page, im evil
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 21:22
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Two new bands will be added to the archives. http://www.alien8recordings.com/artists/11/Set-Fire-to-Flames - Set Fire To Flames and http://nippop.com/artist/artist_id-241/artist_name-world___s_end_girlfriend/ - World's End Girlfriend . One is another side proyect from the Godspeed family with a very dark sound like in the first ASMZ album, but with a more ambient and darker sound. The later band, is a very adventurous and "theatrical" one. It's a bit more experimental or avant-garde than your average post-rock band, but still being very melodic and with a movie soundtrack feel to their sound. Get them while their hot. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:09
I saw World' End Girlfriend being added, cool name. 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:40
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as I've said on my...elaborated (sigh)...post, I've prepared a review for the un-reviewed till now debut EP of 65daysofstatic, stumble.stop.repeat.
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:55
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btw chamberry, I really loved that album by Tone, thanks ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 02:27
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Solidarity huh??
Yes, sounds cool....
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 19:48
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No problem OG and memo. If anyone is interested check out this mp3 from their new album, Solidarity: http://www.neurotrecordings.com/artists/tone/audio/Tone-Solidarity-03-Towers.mp3 - http://www.neurotrecordings.com/artists/tone/audio/Tone-Solidarity-03-Towers.mp3 To be honest this isn't a good representation to their sound. (Think Glenn Branca, but less noisy and more rocky) Taken from their website: This time around Tone capitalizes on the space provided by the doubled percussion to open the band to careful passages; conversely, they allow a formidable counterweight to the enormous soaring attacks of five guitars. Solidarity expands the boundaries of Tone, whereas they once communicated a single new idea, they now communicate a new method of thought  -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: November 05 2006 at 00:40
 We Will Carry You Over The Mountains (2002)Some of it took me by surprise, while some "remained" at expressing some composition and some emotion I knew long before, from other such programatic or versatile e/pr experiences. I believe this album is very good; don't recall who exactly said that this debut album thrilled him more than the rest, but this one is a heck of a interesting job and it gives me the time clench to get to the others, as soon as possible. Some Godspeed, some Explosions soft acoustics and some "Magyar Posse", a clear definition with which to interact and a new thing to take account of. New, as well as old-fashioned. (Even) Unique, as well as always there. It's a music turned bit melodic and bit thematic, but that's in great colours and dynamic impressions. Experimental is sometimes there to shine and the chords are sometimes there to crack, if you get the idea or the distinction. With a clean flow and a sharp attention towards any loose moments, I can say that after the first two piece (one introductory in its entire and one in the clouds of a movement), every moment kept me in suspense and in that feeling I can only like (or, even better - cause it's a definitive plus if it happens - to capture and to rapture me). Sound is familiar and conventional, but for me, that's the experimental/post I know and the accurate one I can like. Interesting guitar manifest, though for the first time I heard it in perspective and not in the lead of every great breath (thinking of course Explosions). Alert percussions, in which I catched the rhythm and let myself driven away; sharp, effective and all that... Pacific Ocean = best song and one great e/pr option, if it wouldn't be too much to consider. Maybe it's just the mentioned visionary and illuminating debut, but that can only mean that the rest comes even more brilliant. -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 05 2006 at 11:58
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^^^ That would definetly be my next Post-rock purchase along with Mono's You are there. Both albums are praised around the internet quite alot so I guess it's just a matter of time before I get them. (Christmas is just around the corner) After I recommended their second album to you I gave it a listen since it was along time since I've heard their album. It hit me like a brick! I forgot how good it was, how emotional and powerful it sounded and if their debut sounds better than this one then I'm in for a treat. -------------
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: November 05 2006 at 12:32
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The only post-rock album I own is Sigur Ros' "Takk..." (indeed a 5 star album in my book and it got me into post rock) That said, any other post rock album I have has been sent to me by a friend or through the forum etc. Some good starting places IMO (I'm no expert though): Sigur Ros- Takk...- not quite as wispy as their previous effort, ( ) (still a good album) but I found it to be pretty accessible from first listen, especially "Gong" and "Hopipolla". Possibly the happiest album EVER. (and my favorite post-rock album) Explosions in the Sky- The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place- first off, thanks to Dalezilla for sending me this one it is a fantastic, uplifting album, and the instrumentation seems to follow more of that of a stripped down, more rock-instrument based group (not soundwise, but it just doesn't have the mass orchestration other groups in the genre tend to have) . The songs seem to blur together almost as one piece, which I believe the band said was intentionalGodspeed You! Black Emperor- Lift your Skinny Fists like Antennas to Heaven- this is a good starting place because it seems to be ever so slightly more musically structured and thought out than their debut, f#a# (infinity). Static is a song that particularly stands out to me. One of Godspeed's trademarks is their insane crescendos that start off from the most minimal (at the beginning) gradually gaining steam throughout the course of the song. Don't be disheartened if the beginning seems a little slow, the buildup is worth it. And that's my two cents on that, hopefully I can get some post rock from more bands in the future (as in BUY them )------------- 
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Posted By: DamianC
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:09
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I would be so happy to finally hear a prog rock band that mixes the electronic elements that 65daysofstatic does. That something I have been trying to look for, forever. Or a Electronic Progressive group that does a mixture of many assorted electronic music styles like IDM but more organic with clasical music type compositions. Of course I have never heard it be done. 65daysofstatic is REALLY AMAZING! They have to be on my tops. Are their any other bands that sound a lot like 65daysofstatic? ------------- -Damian C. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:13
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I want to try out some Mono.Recommendations? -------------  |
Posted By: DamianC
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:40
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I'm sorry I didn't get that. You want to try out a group with the name Mono or do you want a recommendation from what to listen to by 65daysofstatic? I'm confused. ------------- -Damian C. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 10:46
This year's album is awesome ... try "Moonlight" or "The Flames Beyond the Cold Mountain": http://www.myspace.com/monojapanrock - http://www.myspace.com/monojapanrock ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:01
Try One More Step And You Die for the amazing Com ().  ------------- sig |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:05
Indeed. It's my favourite Mono album (haven't heard the debut though). -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:08
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Com(?) is a very strong track - but as an album I prefer You Are There.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:03
Indeed! A great album. I like it more than the follow up. I don't have their debut nor their new album, but I've heard alot of people talking about Mono's You Are There being one of the best albums of the year from the post-rock side of music. I'll be buying it with some christmas money. To DamianC: Sorry man. I don't know of a band that sounds like 65daysofstatic. If you find one then feel free to spread the word. I would like to hear it. -------------
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:09
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So, there are only 23 bands listed in this genre on the archives.
Are there many others that we know about? and if so..why haven't they been added? ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:18
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Also (I've finally decided to make the effor and listen to all the streaming songs...)
I just came across Don Calloabaro (or whatever...) and It first struck me as math metal, and I was confused as to why it was in thsi catagory. So I clicked on to their page to read what was written about them ,hoping there would be something about why they were included in this section and not prog metal, but no. Their paragraph calls them math-metal as well.
So my question is, what is the link between post-rock and math metal, if any. Why is this band here? ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:25
Yes. There are tons of post-rock bands that aren't in this site. Some of them are post-rock, but aren't really progarchives material. Some of them are too poppy others are too ambient or they aren't clearly post-rock ect. Another problem is the lack of information. Most of this bands prefer to live in the shadows giving very little to none info of their sound, of who they are, discography, band photos and other things like that wich makes it hard for us too write a decent bio or add their albums because of it. -------------
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:30
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oh yea... I noticed that with GY!BE. i could barley find ANYTHING on them. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:37
They are math metal, but as you can see we don't have a math metal genre. I think they are in post-rock because math rock is a close relative to post-rock. Hella is another math rock band and they are in the Avant-garde genre. I don't know alot from the genre, but I believe the band http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2570 - Slint where the fathers of math rock and coincidentally most of the post-rock bands are influenced by this band. The missing link? I think so. Excuse my babbling. -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:42
GY!BE has alot of info around the internet compared to a band we're trying to add, Daturah. Here's the info their website has to offer: DATURAH is an instrumental five-piece from Frankfurt/Germany playing some kind of ambient noise rock. Members: Mathias - guitar, sounds // Flo - guitar // Patrick - drums Benni - bass, synth // Seb - samples, synth Additional Members: Raul - live visuals And that's it. -------------
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 18:43
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Thats awesome, haha ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 19:03
Really? I think they're mocking us. -------------
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 19:07
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I was just listening to The Velvet Underground, that's pretty experimental/post-rockish to my ears. -------------  
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 19:21
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I know I'll sound ignorant, but I still haven't listened to The Velvet Underground...
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Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 20:54
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yep they were one of the first few rock acts to heaviliy incorporate avant garde elements into their music, though they always wrote such amazing pop songs like Sunday Morning, Femme Fatale etc
Have been listening to sound samples of Tarentel and yeah they're really good, their current stuff is v heavily percussive and loopish, bit like This Heat.....
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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 20:55
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Have anybody heard to They dont sleep? They aren't on this site but there's no doubt they're post rock. They are as post rock as yes is symph. Look for their Space site.
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 21:15
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Well my dear friends... I live in Chile I mean the end of South America so you can imagine how hard it's for me to find/buy music... Thanks to PA I found this new stuff called Experimental/POst Rock so I began to buy CDs in order to enjoy the music of this fabulous bands... There are really new and good stuff in most of the albums that I got. Exquisite compositions, weird athmospheres, awsome lyrics (specially on Sigur Rós albums) and a real compromise ti take music beyond the actual frontiers... RIght now I've got in my colection: GODSPEED YOU! BLACK EMPEROR -F#A#o -Yanqui U.X.O I really love this bands because almost every song is a chaotic epical full of sadness and dark athmospheres... 65daysofstatic -The Fall of Math It's the first album that I buy of this band. Very electronic and very weird too. It's one of my last acquisitons so give a few weeks to understand it... A SILVER MT. ZION -He has left us alone but shafts of light sometimes grace the corner of our rooms -Horses in the Sky Really good stuff, very romantic and nostalgic, full of epical moments... Totally recommended... RED SPAROWES -At the soundless Dawn One of the most amazing surprises that I heard in years. This album is totally amazing from first to last track. Powerful guitars, and compositons full of anger and angst... MOGWAI -Come on die young -Rock action -Happy songs for happy people -Mr. Beast Really good stuff. Great band, honestly. Every album it's a great surprise, full of memorable and sad songs. Great work on keyboards/synths and a constant tendence to make mini-epics... SIGUR ROS -Agaetis Byrjun -Ba Ba Ti Ki Di Do (EP) -() -Takk... Like I said before, great lyrircs and also great compositions. Maybe SR it's one of the most "famous" bands of this stuff but their albums are simply wonderful, specially my favouriote Agaetis Byrjun... EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY -Friday Night Lights OST -The Rescue Maybe I still don't get the stuff of EITS but it's one of my least favourites (I need to find more of their albums)... DON CABALLERO -What burns never returns -American Don -World class listening problem Another niche surprise. Every album it's really a challenge even for prog rock fans. With some delicate inffluences of Crimson any of their albums will make you feel very-very uncomfortable... TORTOISE -It's all around you Unfortunately it's the only Tortoise album that I have. Great stuff, for some moments very close to fusion and minimalism... ULVER -Kveldssanger -Perdition City Unfortunately I don't own more Ulver albums. This two are great but totally different. Kveldssanger it's dark, medieval and classical. Perdition City it's full of electronics and samplers (well, it's "mucis to an interior film") and totally sad... Great stuff, really... Well, that's all... If we are looking for the next prog music, here it is... Peace & love... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: DamianC
Date Posted: November 10 2006 at 11:46
Good news friend I was told about a band similar to 65days. They way t hey explained it to me was they sound like a heavier version of 65days and they are called "maybeshewill" www.maybeshewill.net ------------- -Damian C. |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: November 10 2006 at 11:59
As chamberry already pointed out, there are TONS of bands still waiting to be added. When we first started out earlier this year, there were only a few bands in this section, so I think we've done pretty well, considering how little information is available. However, should any of you guys want to speed up the process, you can always write biographies for bands that have already been accepted. You can monitor our progress here: http://www.progtology.com/home/progarchives/postrockchart.xhtml - http://www.progtology.com/home/progarchives/postrockchart.xhtml -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 20:49
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Added Set Fire To Flames. Anyone who likes A Silver Mt. Zion, Godspeed might wan't to check them out. Here's a little info on them: Initially the idea was to gather a group of folks together in a members montreal apartment and record as much as they could over a five day period. As set fire to flames explains, ”...[we wanted] to conduct the whole five day recording session like a series of experiments… to get lost in the sound as it was actually happening… to make the whole recording an exploded intense event… to push tolerance levels and limitations with a group of people sonically… to become shut-ins… to operate on no sleep/confinement/ intoxication… some of us were interested in seeing what would actually happen if we attempted to record improvised drones and textures under those conditions… and what impact that might have on yr. head… how individual/collective tension would play out… and what the end result would sound like… so a lot of experimentation with tolerance, repetition and duration… drones…” http://www.alien8recordings.com/artists/11/Set-Fire-to-Flames - http://www.alien8recordings.com/artists/11/Set-Fire-to-Flames Sounds interesting? Then check them out! -------------
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 20:59
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:17
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I don't have the link at hand right now, but in MySpace you can find a Japanese band called STILL LIFE IN THE ATTIC: they play a RIO-meets-postrock kind of prog that I find turly amazing, They should be listed here in PA.
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:29
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So( sorry I'm being noobish her, but I'm new to this genre and just love everything to death, I love the music, the sounds, the idea, and even the culture and people of it! but i still feel like I don't "get" a lot of things in it) are there bands that are definitely post rock and exerimental/drone bands that are accepted into that genre, but are prog enough to be in the prog archive's version of that genre?
Like... can a band be undoubtably post rock, but not be accepted here because their brand of post rock isn't proggy enough? ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:31
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That sounds like a very interesting mix Cesar. I really like the RIO and Avant-garde genre and of course post-rock as well. I'll look for them and check them out. Thanks for the info. -------------
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:33
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Just discovered GY!BE this past week. It's brilliant, atmospheric epic. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:44
Well there are post-rock bands that aren't in the archives because they're more related to another genre (like pop for example), but if there's a band that's 100% post-rock then I don't see why they shouldn't be in here. The bands that we rejected aren't here for a reason and I can tell you why two of them are rejected. I don't know the other two. Piano Magic is too comercial and more pop than your average post-rock and Eluvium has more to do with ambient and drone than post-rock. There are other cases when we have trouble deciding if the band is really post-rock or not like in Rachel's. This band is often mentioned with others from the genre, but their sounds is clearly neo-classical. I haven't heard of Jaga Jazzist yet, but the debate on them is wether we put them on the jazz rock/fusion genre instead of the post-rock genre since they have both of them in their sound. So you see, most of the bands we have trouble with are the ones that are borderline with another genre or that are just use post-rock as influence to their sound. -------------
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:46
That's good to hear King of Siam. I hope that with this you'll be interested in finding more about the genre and artists. I know I did and look where I am now.-------------
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:48
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Hmm interesting.
May I ask why drone bands aren't in here? I think its a great genre, and very innovative and exciting, definitely "progressive", IMO and I tihnk if we're gonna throw math rock into post rock, we can surely throw drone rock in there too. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:52
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To be honest I don't know that much about drone bands or genre except for Cluster and the previously mentioned Eluvium. There are some bands in the genre that have some drone elements in their sound like Set Fire To Flames, but I can't answer you that question since I'm not well educated on this.
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:56
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Yea, I don't know that many big signed bands either, but there are a lot of drone artists where I live, one whom I am really good friends with, and will possibly collaborate with soon, and I just think its great stuff. Mostly improvised music,that completly expresses emotion and feelings through a drak, usually loud, setting. There are jsut some really beautiful things going on in that music.
I'll try to do some research, and if we can find enough drone bands that you guys think are prog enough, we can add them in and open up the post rock genre to drone music. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:06
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:07
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That sounds great. I'll be looking forward to that info. To be honest I think if we're going to add a drone band to the archives, the best place to put them is on progressive electronic along with the drone works from Klaus Schuzle and Tangerine Dream unless they have a post-rock feel to them then we (the post-rock team) will take them into concideration.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:09
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:20
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:27
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Come on already!
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 12 2006 at 12:30
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I vote look! Its definitely fulfulling if you love GY!BE.
Nothing you will find will disspoint you (hopefully).
It seems like this genre is a hit or miss... either you "get it" and love it to death, or just can't stand it and don't understand what the fuss is. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: November 12 2006 at 15:16
Playing three really, really slow notes over and over again for 20 minutes and calling it a composition isn't prog. This subject comes up every now and then, and I really don't see what IS prog about bands like Sunn 0))), unless you consider any band with long songs to be automatically prog. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 11:55
You should ask Philippe if any bands in the krautrock and progressive electronic sub-genres displayed on the site follow that description... If they do, we will have a refreshing angle to look at this issue. ------------- sig |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 13 2006 at 13:04
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I'd hardly call drone music "Playing three really, really slow notes over and over again for 20 minutes ". I think that statement is quite ignorant, but for lack of time and resources I can't really back up my argument either... ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:53
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ok.
So I talked to my friend who has much more knowledge of drone music than I do, and this is what he said
"some really good drone bands, in the realm of drone/ doom or doom metal type stuff are Sunn 0))), Boris and particularly Nadja, who are really amazing.
Sunn 0))) also has two side project type bands called Khanate (which are more noise oriented) and Ginnungagap, who play acoustic doom-- using acoustic guitars, tambouras, and other kind of 'native' droning instruments. Also Boris & Sunn O))) just released a collaboration album together. Acid Mother's Temple, a psychedelic band from Japan are really amazing... they have some drone music, like the other cuts on their album in which they play Terry Riley's In C, and songs like "what do i want to know?" are really the epitome of psychedelic drone, but a lot of their stuff is more heavy psych freak out hahaha mmm... terry riley and la monte young are also considered kind of like the godfathers of drone music-- they are more in the realm of 20th century classical-- and are no where near the intensity of today's doom metal, but are still amazing to check out... as well as Tony Conrad (a friend of The Velvet Underground & Faust) Some modern drone artists who are very different from the doom oriented stuff are Daniel Menche, who uses alternate sound sources to make his music (like broken glass), Molasses (a side project band of Gy!be, fly pan am, etc...) who sound more like droning, eerie post rock, and also some of David Kristian's less electro oriented work, like Room Tone... whom are all coincidentally on alien 8 records (www.alien8recordings.com), based out of Montreal there is also a lot of really quite stunning drone driven experimental pop music like Animal Collective and Our Brother the Native, who also have a heavy folk tinge. I also suggest you check out Folke Rabe-- just because of how subtle and almost completely 'non-musical' his compositions are... like a recording of the hum of a fluorescent light if you're looking for anyone on myspace either check out Expo '70 (www.myspace.com/exposeventy), who are based out of Missouri, and are good friends with a friend of mine who makes music under the name Cantus Firmus (www.myspace.com/cantusfirmus)... but his music is more psych folk oriented, in the vein of popol vuh-- but is definitely worth hearing. but i would say out of everyone i've listened-- Nadja, is the epitome of what you're looking for-- they have post rock, ambient, doom and heavy drone elements-- i would check out their only full length 'Truth Becomes Death'... really amazing stuff " I'll try right now to get some more info on some of these bands and websites and such.
but if we stil want to give this drone thing a try... those are some bands he feels worthy of mention. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 18:04
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_music - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_music
This has a pretty extensive artical about modern drone bands and where the genre originated.
I'm sorry I'm moving this thread into other waters...
So to keep it on topic.
I'm glad to see topics like these floating around more often now. There seems to be a lot of people interested coming into this one, and also there has been great feedback in the "What's your all time favourite Post-Rock album".
Its cool to see more people taking interest in this genre ( myself included, as I've only been a fan for a few months now...) ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 19:03
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Alot of the drone bands in the wikipedia article are in PA. There are also some bands you didn't mentioned, but are on PA as well like Bardo Pond, Flying Saucer Attack and maybe Ghost to a lesser extent. Most of this bands use drone elements, but none are 100% drone (if it excists). About Drone/Doom metal then I wouldn't say since I'm not a prog metal speciallist. -------------
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Posted By: Filmdirector2
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 21:04
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A nice Post-Rock band for me is Jasmin, they've got free complete MP3 downloads for free on their page on Last.fm.
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:35
Uh, I've listened to a ton of the aforementioned "drone doom" and actually enjoy some of it, but you can't deny that bands like Sunn 0))) and Boris (well, the latter mostly in their dronier moments, they don't fit exclusively into this category) rely on extreme simplicity for the effect generated by their music. It has the capacity to be interesting stuff, but it's a pretty big stretch to consider it part of the progressive rock movement. If some of the other bands to whom you were just refering are dramatically different from this then we'll view them on their own merrits, but regardless of my apparent "ignorance" on the subject, the prog-metal team has rejected both of the aforementioned bands, and I have yet to hear a contemporary of theirs for whom I could forsee us making an exception. |
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Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 03:47
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