The Silly Romanticist Club
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Topic: The Silly Romanticist Club
Posted By: Scapler
Subject: The Silly Romanticist Club
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:33
I'm officially starting the "Silly Romanticists Club"
Who wants to join? If so, post here why YOU deserve the prestigous title of silly romanticist member extrodanaire.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:35
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids)
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:39
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:40
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids)
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The "Silly Romanticist Club" shall dream about destroying you. But, could you kidnap our girls first, that would make destroying you SO much more romantic, and then we save them and slip of into the sunset.
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:41
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids)
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:43
Scapler wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids)
| The "Silly Romanticist Club" shall dream about destroying you. But, could you kidnap our girls first, that would make destroying you SO much more romantic, and then we save them and slip of into the sunset. |
On horseback.
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:43
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  |
Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.
I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh... I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups!
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:48
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  | Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh...I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups! |
Dude, lay off the acid.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:50
Arrrghus wrote:
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  | Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh...I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups! |
Dude, lay off the acid.  |
Ah, I too remember these feelings of naivety....only to be crushed and have all hope destroyed....and now, here I am, obsessing on a forum
BTW don't make lifelong plans about a single girl, there's a fine line between romantic and downright obsessed
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:51
Arrrghus wrote:
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  | Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh...I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups! |
Dude, lay off the acid.  |
The acid of love Alex, the acid of love...
Missionaries Without Monasterys will be the most pwnish Prog Supergroup I will ever be in, and I will be in many, mark my words. And through it all I will be married to Hope, and have a wonderfully talented daughter named Marucha. IT WILL HAPPEN!
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:52
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  | Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh...I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups! |
Dude, lay off the acid.  |
Ah, I too remember these feelings of naivety....only to be crushed and have all hope destroyed....and now, here I am, obsessing on a forum
BTW don't make lifelong plans about a single girl, there's a fine line between romantic and downright obsessed
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I can't help it! I'm an obsessive and overly-romantic person!
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:58
Pose a question for me- like- your the teacher and you want to lead a duscussion- beacuase in all honesty, I have no clue what the sh*t to say in here.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:59
Scapler wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  | Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh...I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups! |
Dude, lay off the acid.  |
Ah, I too remember these feelings of naivety....only to be crushed and have all hope destroyed....and now, here I am, obsessing on a forum
BTW don't make lifelong plans about a single girl, there's a fine line between romantic and downright obsessed
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I can't help it! I'm an obsessive and overly-romantic person!
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Seriously, this seems like joking, but in all seriousness, don't obsess too much on one person. It can have devastating results
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 21:59
Drew wrote:
Pose a question for me- like- your the teacher and you want to lead a duscussion- beacuase in all honesty, I have no clue what the sh*t to say in here. |
Just pretend you're a romantic and you're fine.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:11
I've noticed myself slipping towards naivety more these days, due to not so recent liking/more recent talking to of a certain girl they tend to do that, then you slip into a false sense of "hey maybe this is possible", and finally they whip out the "oh I had no idea" and act like liking them is betraying them, and then you can't stand to look at them for the next month....at least I'm currently in the more pleasant part of the cycle (if you can call it that)
Yes, I'm bitter, what of it, at least I'm not whining how "no girl likes me" because I don't give much of a sh*t anymore so 
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:14
heyitsthatguy wrote:
I've noticed myself slipping towards naivety more these days, due to not so recent liking/more recent talking to of a certain girl they tend to do that, then you slip into a false sense of "hey maybe this is possible", and finally they whip out the "oh I had no idea" and act like liking them is betraying them, and then you can't stand to look at them for the next month....at least I'm currently in the more pleasant part of the cycle (if you can call it that)Yes, I'm bitter, what of it, at least I'm not whining how "no girl likes me" because I don't give much of a sh*t anymore so
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Well, if you stay friends for a while, things could change.
You know what's weird? Helen notices me more ever since I asked her out.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:17
Arrrghus wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
I've noticed myself slipping towards naivety more these days, due to not so recent liking/more recent talking to of a certain girl they tend to do that, then you slip into a false sense of "hey maybe this is possible", and finally they whip out the "oh I had no idea" and act like liking them is betraying them, and then you can't stand to look at them for the next month....at least I'm currently in the more pleasant part of the cycle (if you can call it that)Yes, I'm bitter, what of it, at least I'm not whining how "no girl likes me" because I don't give much of a sh*t anymore so
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Well, if you stay friends for a while, things could change.
You know what's weird? Helen notices me more ever since I asked her out.
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Who knows, maybe she does like you but she's confused, though the same thing w/ me and Ms. f**k up my life(IT'SA JOKE PEOPLE A JOKE) happens, and I think it's curiosity, at least in my situation
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:32
I'm in.
I have silly, romantic, outdated notions about the timeless importance of love, honour, respect, equality, tolerance, empathy, etc.
I don't like "slasher" or "shoot 'em up" flics -- I like period costume dramas. (In many of my favourite movies, NO ONE gets shot!)
I been known to like slow, beautiful romantic prog songs with lots of acoustic guitar, flute, viokin, etc. (The stuff many here dismiss as "filler.") I even like "More Fool Me."
Some of my favourite Victorian novelists are -- gasp! -- WOMEN!
I like flowers, laughing brooks and little birdies -- I think smiling babies are cute.
My favourite song on Relayer is "To Be Over." On Lizard, it is "Lady of the Dancing Water."
I've never had a one-night stand, and if I took a girl out on a second date, it meant I liked her.
I don't like contact sports, and I've never been in a strip club. (I'd be embarrassed, and I think they are degrading to both women and men.)
Bands with names that refer to death, corpses, evisceration, torture, necrophilia, blood, guts, etc, repel me.
I'm a pretty good cook.
Many of my bosses and co-workers have been women, and I have no problem with that.
I live in an area where almost all the red-blooded males hunt, but I've never hunted. (I've never been hungry enough.)
I drive a small car, and walk to work.
I can understand poetry.
I have never punched anyone.
In short, I am hopeless.
But I can chop wood, and I LOVE motorcycles! 
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 26 2006 at 22:44
Okay, I confess, I'm a romantic in denial (I guess no more)
I believe in equality and such and such, as Peter mentioned, I find pornography and strip clubs as blatant exploitation and degredation of women, I don't want sex until marriage (I know that's really ) I also believe love should be based off of personality and compatibility and shouldn't be merely skin deep.....
I've yet to find anyone who wants to put up with this crap though
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 03:33
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood |
Script For A Jesters Tear was the story of my life when it came out in 1983 (23 years ago... ); hopelessly infatuated with a girl at the time (who has since become one of my longest standing close friends), I'd spend long hours gazing out of a window in a winsome manner - I like to think this was sheer romanticism, but I was a 19 year old male, so I suspect there may have been other elements at work...
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 03:50
I like to think I'm a bit of a romantic, and what used to be referred to as a "new-man".
I'm a pretty good cook, respect and love my wife, family and friends (indeed, am unafraid to use the word "love"), can get all dewey eyed at a nice sunset, loved 'Brokeback Mountain', I think 'Something' by The Beatles is the greatest love song ever (and probably the most perfect song ever written) - like Peter, I've never been to a strip club (and actually feel sorry for those who work in them, and pity those who frequent them), have never punched anyone, love the so called 'filler' tracks on prog albums, like "Harlequin" and "For Absent Friends" (but not More fool me - bleagh), I love our feathered and furry friends (although smiling babies make me suspicious... - what exactly are they smiling about?)...
However - I do quite like violent movies (so long as they're well made)
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 03:58
I could have maybe qualified for this about a year ago, now I've become jaded and detatched from the idea of being "romantic". Oh well.
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Posted By: B.B Hood
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 04:59
I'm a girl lol. Of course I am romantic
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 05:16
unfortunately i am a bit of an old cynic regarding matters of the heart, though i have always believed society/media puts too much emphasis on expecting everyone to be the perfect couple with 2.5 children, snuggling up with the papers and tea in bed on a Sunday morning - somewhat detached from the real world judging by the Jeremy Kyle show, for instance! Though i am very romantic about the natural world, i love watching wildlife programs, appreciate romantic art and music, it's all about escapism and fantasy.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 06:36
i can't understand what you are all talking about, could anyone give me a hand? also, do you actually know about the difference between "Romanticism" and "romantism"? they're completely different things.
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 07:53
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Okay, I confess, I'm a romantic in denial (I guess no more)
I believe in equality and such and such, as Peter mentioned, I find pornography and strip clubs as blatant exploitation and degredation of women, I don't want sex until marriage (I know that's really ) I also believe love should be based off of personality and compatibility and shouldn't be merely skin deep.....
I've yet to find anyone who wants to put up with this crap though
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It may be really , but you can only give away your virginity once. Plus, I happen to be a Christian.
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 07:54
Jim Garten wrote:
I like to think I'm a bit of a romantic, and what used to be referred to as a "new-man".
I'm a pretty good cook, respect and love my wife, family and friends (indeed, am unafraid to use the word "love"), can get all dewey eyed at a nice sunset, loved 'Brokeback Mountain', I think 'Something' by The Beatles is the greatest love song ever (and probably the most perfect song ever written) - like Peter, I've never been to a strip club (and actually feel sorry for those who work in them, and pity those who frequent them), have never punched anyone, love the so called 'filler' tracks on prog albums, like "Harlequin" and "For Absent Friends" (but not More fool me - bleagh), I love our feathered and furry friends (although smiling babies make me suspicious... - what exactly are they smiling about?)...
However - I do quite like violent movies (so long as they're well made)
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Ahh! Brokeback Mountain!
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 07:57
Jim Garten wrote:
loved 'Brokeback Mountain' |
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..."
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 09:24
andu wrote:
Jim Garten, a brave man wrote:
loved 'Brokeback Mountain' |
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..." |
I find today's youth, on the whole, to be rabidly homophobic. 
They are perhaps less racist that previous generations  , but the pendulum has really swung backward as far as accepting or even tolerating homosexuality goes. They use the word "gay" when they really want to insult one another, tease mercilessly about it (many youth suicides result from this), and have even made "gay" into a generic put down, meaning "lame, stupid," etc. (I really hate to hear the word used that way.  ) I think the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and its initial perception as a "gay disease," was largely responsible for this shift in attitude.
 Re the inquiry about the difference between "romanticism" and "romantism," the first is a word (the meaning is easily found in a dictionary), and the second is not. (It is the first, mis-spelled.) 
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 09:50
@Peter
I totally agree on what you said about these recent social behaviours. They make me get worried, these days.
I assumed there is an "ism" for "romantic" in English, as there is for "romanticist".
Romanticism is a cultural movement from the past, pretty well sumarised here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism ), and a romanticist is someone belonging to that movement. "Romantic" is a person who likes flowers, music, is attentive to emotions, blah-blah; it's just a popular notion, derived from the fact that 1. "romanticism" is actually "romantism" in most european languages and 2. "romantic" is (just a soap-)version of the actual meaning of "Romanticism". The "Romanticism/t" word was actually later created in order to avoid confusion with the meaning of "romantic" in English (also in european languages "romantic" means someone belonging to what we call "Romantism" and youy call "Romanticism"). is that clear?  
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 09:59
In Finnish the word 'romantiikka' is used both for the artistic movement and the thing we should be talking about here.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 10:00
Vompatti wrote:
In Finnish the word 'romantiikka' is used both for the artistic movement and the thing we should be talking about here. |
that's what i was talking about 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 10:01
andu wrote:
@Peter
I totally agree on what you said about these recent social behaviours. They make me get worried, these days.
I assumed there is an "ism" for "romantic" in English, as there is for "romanticist".
Romanticism is a cultural movement from the past, pretty well sumarised here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism ), and a romanticist is someone belonging to that movement. "Romantic" is a person who likes flowers, music, is attentive to emotions, blah-blah; it's just a popular notion, derived from the fact that 1. "romanticism" is actually "romantism" in most european languages and 2. "romantic" is (just a soap-)version of the actual meaning of "Romanticism". The "Romanticism/t" word was actually later created in order to avoid confusion with the meaning of "romantic" in English (also in european languages "romantic" means someone belonging to what we call "Romantism" and youy call "Romanticism"). is that clear?   |
Thank you for that!
Now, you country has a rather suspicious name: are you a nation of sighing, dewy-eyed, posey-pulling poets? 
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 10:10
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 15:15
Scapler wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Okay, I confess, I'm a romantic in denial (I guess no more)
I believe in equality and such and such, as Peter mentioned, I find pornography and strip clubs as blatant exploitation and degredation of women, I don't want sex until marriage (I know that's really ) I also believe love should be based off of personality and compatibility and shouldn't be merely skin deep.....
I've yet to find anyone who wants to put up with this crap though
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It may be really , but you can only give away your virginity once. Plus, I happen to be a Christian.
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That's partially my reasoning, as I am one too (I have many other reasons as well from a more logical standpoint) , though I can tell by most of my peers around me that that doesn't really stop any of them (though they're not too religious)
Jim, regarding Brokeback Mountain, I probably would have thrown up during it. BUT, I am like that with any "love story" movie....again, though I don't agree with homosexuality, I am not in fear of it in any way...As Voltaire sort of said regarding a totally different issue, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," only instead of speech and what not you sub whatever it was I was just talking about I don't remember
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 15:47
Peter Rideout wrote:
andu wrote:
Jim Garten, a brave man wrote:
loved 'Brokeback Mountain' |
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..." |
I find today's youth, on the whole, to be rabidly homophobic. 
They are perhaps less racist that previous generations  , but the pendulum has really swung backward as far as accepting or even tolerating homosexuality goes. They use the word "gay" when they really want to insult one another, tease mercilessly about it (many youth suicides result from this), and have even made "gay" into a generic put down, meaning "lame, stupid," etc. (I really hate to hear the word used that way.  ) I think the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and its initial perception as a "gay disease," was largely responsible for this shift in attitude.
 Re the inquiry about the difference between "romanticism" and "romantism," the first is a word (the meaning is easily found in a dictionary), and the second is not. (It is the first, mis-spelled.)  |
It's not that I'm homophobic, but tell me what part of this is acceptable: Two cowboys leave the wives they have married, and one of them has children they abandon to go have some "cowboy fun" in a tent
It doesn't matter if these cowpeople are gay or straight, they already have families, and leaving those families, even if they are in love, is despicable, and a shirking and downgrading of the responsibilities of both a husband and parent.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:04
Bryan wrote:
I could have maybe qualified for this about a year ago, now I've become jaded and detatched from the idea of being "romantic". Oh well.
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I'm kinda trying to become that, but I seem hopelessly caught in the middle. Any advice on how to be more such?
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:32
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  |
Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.
I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh... I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups!
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Why 16?
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:32
"cowboy fun in a tent" 
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:34
Peter Rideout wrote:
andu wrote:
Jim Garten, a brave man wrote:
loved 'Brokeback Mountain' |
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..." |
I find today's youth, on the whole, to be rabidly homophobic. 
They are perhaps less racist that previous generations  , but the pendulum has really swung backward as far as accepting or even tolerating homosexuality goes. They use the word "gay" when they really want to insult one another, tease mercilessly about it (many youth suicides result from this), and have even made "gay" into a generic put down, meaning "lame, stupid," etc. (I really hate to hear the word used that way.  ) I think the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and its initial perception as a "gay disease," was largely responsible for this shift in attitude.
 Re the inquiry about the difference between "romanticism" and "romantism," the first is a word (the meaning is easily found in a dictionary), and the second is not. (It is the first, mis-spelled.)  |
You're not the only one to note this, it's sad but true.
I've especially noted that they "tease mercilessly about it", not only each other. I have experienced immature kids using Skype to call strangers just to insult them.
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:36
Arsillus wrote:
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
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Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.
I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh... I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups!
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Why 16?
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It is when her step-dad will let her start dating...only one more month...
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:37
I don't think I am, really.
I'm all for the non-degradation of women and all that junk and I'm sincere in my feeling (when it's not hungry). I like nature.
But I have punched people and I enjoy shooting movies. I eat meat raw and I hunt with my own blood and bare hands.
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:38
Scapler wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
Scapler wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
I'm joining: hell, I've wept like a baby listening to Script For a Jester's Tear and Misplaced Childhood, several VdGG songs, etc.
I also have silly romantic thoughts about Helen.
Plus, I write poetry.
Top that, bitch.  |
Well, I took it for granted you would want in. Your thoughts of Helen qualify, you're in.
I qualify becuase of the silly and romantic Concept Album I wrote for Hope, sigh... I need to finish writing the keyboard/viola parts to it so we can RECORD it! Then, when she turns 16 and I ask her out, and she says yes (which she will) I can shyly say, I wrote this album for you. She will listen to it, be freaked out a little, then realize it is the sweetest, most romantic thing anyone has done for her and be forced to fall in love with me. Then, I can write songs in my old age about enduring love while touring with the latest Prog supergroups!
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Why 16?
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It is when her step-dad will let her start dating...only one more month...
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That's a good idea.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 01:12
Scapler wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
andu wrote:
Jim Garten, a brave man wrote:
loved 'Brokeback Mountain' |
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..." |
I find today's youth, on the whole, to be rabidly homophobic. 
They are perhaps less racist that previous generations  , but the pendulum has really swung backward as far as accepting or even tolerating homosexuality goes. They use the word "gay" when they really want to insult one another, tease mercilessly about it (many youth suicides result from this), and have even made "gay" into a generic put down, meaning "lame, stupid," etc. (I really hate to hear the word used that way.  ) I think the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and its initial perception as a "gay disease," was largely responsible for this shift in attitude.
 Re the inquiry about the difference between "romanticism" and "romantism," the first is a word (the meaning is easily found in a dictionary), and the second is not. (It is the first, mis-spelled.)  |
It's not that I'm homophobic, but tell me what part of this is acceptable: Two cowboys leave the wives they have married, and one of them has children they abandon to go have some "cowboy fun" in a tent
It doesn't matter if these cowpeople are gay or straight, they already have families, and leaving those families, even if they are in love, is despicable, and a shirking and downgrading of the responsibilities of both a husband and parent.
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I've never even seen the movie, I'm straight, and why are you quoting me? I advocate tolerance/acceptance of others' homosexuality -- not the "adoption" of it by all! 
Are you grownup enough to understand those distinctions?
Anyway, what is up with your "cowboy fun?"
What if they were in love? (As, I believe, is the premise.)
It is just the sex that makes you hate, but the sexual realm does not totally define us as people. There is more to us than what we do in bed, with another consenting adult, and such people don't just "decide" to "go" gay -- they are gay all along.
BTW, straight people in love have sex too, and find it to be "fun," and pleasurable.
But it does not define them, or sum them up as humans. They could be "saints," psychos, or anything in between.
Would you ban all divorce? That will make for a lot of kids being raised in some very happy homes, all right!
Ditch your 2000 year old book of myths, think it through, and grow up. You and society are not threatened. (See ancient Greece and Rome.)
Homosexuality has always been there, and even exists in the animal kingdom -- should we burn them all? Goodbye, Da Vinci! Bye bye, Bowie! Ta ta, Tchaikovsky! Sayonara, Elton! See ya later, Mick! 
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 12:54
Peter Rideout wrote:
Scapler wrote:
Peter Rideout wrote:
andu wrote:
Jim Garten, a brave man wrote:
loved 'Brokeback Mountain' |
wow, you're quite brave to confess that, i haven't seen any till now. when i say it, people stare at me with large eyes and open mouth... "whaaaat?..." |
I find today's youth, on the whole, to be rabidly homophobic. 
They are perhaps less racist that previous generations  , but the pendulum has really swung backward as far as accepting or even tolerating homosexuality goes. They use the word "gay" when they really want to insult one another, tease mercilessly about it (many youth suicides result from this), and have even made "gay" into a generic put down, meaning "lame, stupid," etc. (I really hate to hear the word used that way.  ) I think the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and its initial perception as a "gay disease," was largely responsible for this shift in attitude.
 Re the inquiry about the difference between "romanticism" and "romantism," the first is a word (the meaning is easily found in a dictionary), and the second is not. (It is the first, mis-spelled.)  |
It's not that I'm homophobic, but tell me what part of this is acceptable: Two cowboys leave the wives they have married, and one of them has children they abandon to go have some "cowboy fun" in a tent
It doesn't matter if these cowpeople are gay or straight, they already have families, and leaving those families, even if they are in love, is despicable, and a shirking and downgrading of the responsibilities of both a husband and parent.
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I've never even seen the movie, I'm straight, and why are you quoting me? I advocate tolerance/acceptance of others' homosexuality -- not the "adoption" of it by all! 
Are you grownup enough to understand those distinctions?
Anyway, what is up with your "cowboy fun?"
What if they were in love? (As, I believe, is the premise.)
It is just the sex that makes you hate, but the sexual realm does not totally define us as people. There is more to us than what we do in bed, with another consenting adult, and such people don't just "decide" to "go" gay -- they are gay all along.
BTW, straight people in love have sex too, and find it to be "fun," and pleasurable.
But it does not define them, or sum them up as humans. They could be "saints," psychos, or anything in between.
Would you ban all divorce? That will make for a lot of kids being raised in some very happy homes, all right!
Ditch your 2000 year old book of myths, think it through, and grow up. You and society are not threatened. (See ancient Greece and Rome.)
Homosexuality has always been there, and even exists in the animal kingdom -- should we burn them all? Goodbye, Da Vinci! Bye bye, Bowie! Ta ta, Tchaikovsky! Sayonara, Elton! See ya later, Mick! 
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I think what he was getting at (although worded a bit differently) is that though they may have been in love, they shouldn't abandon all previously made responsibilities for it. And about the divorce thing: do you really think banning divorce would make kids miserable? DIVORCE ALREADY DOES! My parents are divorced, and it's always a debacle going to my dad's house, they always talk badly about each other and (if you couldn't tell from some of my other posts) it's left me very psychologically messed up. And I'm not against persecution for anyone no matter what they do (except maybe serial murder and such), including gay people. Now, I a) see it immoral for myself to do it and b) am personally repulsed by the thought of commiting such an action myself (because I'm hetero, i.e. I don't think I could "go gay" as you said before). HOWEVER, my morals are for myself and only myself, enforcing them upon others is a violation of their freedom. So, as such, whilst I don't exactly advocate homosexuality, I don't think homosexuals don't deserve the mocking, discrimination, and persecution they've been getting.
Back to the romantic thing.....I really like this one girl but I know nothing's gonna happen... I guess that makes me more of a pessimist than a romantic, eh
BTW Peter how do you change color in posts? I can't seem to figure it out for my life
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Posted By: Falling Flower
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 12:56
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids) |
I love the world. 
Well...I hate the world too.
But I love the world.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 13:01
Falling Flower wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids) |
I love the world. 
Well...I hate the world too.
But I love the world.
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you're in 
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Posted By: Falling Flower
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 13:13
Hm...romance...Well...I'm romantic in a weird way...I'm a necrophiliac.
No not the kind of necrophiliac that has sex with dead people. 
There are some necrophiliacs, like me, who don't take it so far with the dead.
Necrophilism is all about being dominant in a relationship, findaly having all control about it. That's why almost all necrophiliacs developed their love for the dead after a break-up that they did not expect or after relationships in wich they were being used.
In my case it comes from not having a family until I was almost 3 years old. My mother gave me away to friends at birth, they kept me for a month and then gave me to other people etc. Meaning in the first 3 years of my life I had a band with several people but they always pushed me away again and I couldn't do a thing about it.
So now, because of those problems in my childhood, I feel strongly attracted to the dead.
I have a couple of bones, human and animal, I named them, I talk to them, I nurse them, they're a part of my life. And they can never go away. I have all control over them and over our "relationship".
I'd never go as far as having sex with them, but apparently my case is one of necrophilism too.
Isn't that romantic? 
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Posted By: Falling Flower
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 13:27
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Falling Flower wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids) |
I love the world. 
Well...I hate the world too.
But I love the world.
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you're in 
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No. 
I love the world, I love our planet, I love every little thing living on it, I love life, I love love. 
I just hate mankind for our ignorance. We're destroying ourselves and our beautiful planet with everything on it in so many different ways and most of us don't even realize or care about it.
I hate myself for not being able to save the world, I hate myself for not being able to make other people listen to me and see that we have to change our way of living if we want out childrens children to be able to breath normaly and go outside without being afraid of getting shot or run over.
I hate the fact that some people on this planet do realize what we're doing to it, yet they don't get heard. The people only think about here and now, they don't care that their children might all die in a nuclear war if we don't stop building atom bombs, they don't care that their grandchildren might all die of longcancer if we keep poluting the air. They're too stuborn to look beyond their own little lives and see the bigger picture.
That's the part I hate. (I can go on like this several pages but I doubt anyone would read it)
For the rest I'm all love. 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 14:35
Awww, that was a cool message, Debby and I agree with you. Well said. 
You're still weird though.  
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Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 14:39
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Well, about a year ago, I would have joined, but I've changed since then, so I'm gonna start a Cynical Hate the Worlders club, I fully expect every Tool and Hicks fan to be there (that's an order kids)
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Can I join to both clubs? 
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Posted By: Falling Flower
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 18:02
Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 28 2006 at 18:12
This is a fun little thread!
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 06:48
Falling Flower wrote:
Hm...romance...Well...I'm romantic in a weird way...I'm a necrophiliac.
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Ha! Tony R owes me twenty pounds!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 09:51
heyitsthatguy wrote:
BTW Peter how do you change color in posts? I can't seem to figure it out for my life
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At the top of the post box is a capital A with a heavy black line under it -- click on that.
^
Too bad, though, I have copyrighted my use of colour in posts here -- every time you do it, you'll need my permission, and there is a significant co$t for that.
I have a special deal on now: one year of unlimited colour for $3000 American.
BTW, I don't actually change colour (I avoid tanning) -- just my text does! 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 10:30
Of course, hence why I said it. 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 10:31
Visitor13 wrote:
Falling Flower wrote:
Hm...romance...Well...I'm romantic in a weird way...I'm a necrophiliac. |
Ha! Tony R owes me twenty pounds! |
Brilliant!  
I've not laughed like that for ages. 
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 10:37
How much do I owe you for this Peter?
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:36
Geck0 wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Falling Flower wrote:
Hm...romance...Well...I'm romantic in a weird way...I'm a necrophiliac. |
Ha! Tony R owes me twenty pounds! |
Brilliant!  
I've not laughed like that for ages. 
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Thanks!
And let me put it this way... Rico is a constant source of income for me ...
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:44
Geck0 wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Falling Flower wrote:
Hm...romance...Well...I'm romantic in a weird way...I'm a necrophiliac. |
Ha! Tony R owes me twenty pounds! |
Brilliant!  
I've not laughed like that for ages. 
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I don't understand. 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:50
English humour maybe, Vompatti?
Visitor13 was alluding to a (I presume) fake bet between Tony R and himself, that alluded to Debby being a necrophiliac.
Then when Debby mentioned it, Visitor13 made it seem like Tony R and himself had been discussing such a thing beforehand, which, of course, was not the case.
It's the kind of subtle humour I love!
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:52
Geck0 wrote:
Visitor13 was alluding to a (I presume) fake bet between Tony R and himself, that alluded to Debby being a necrophiliac.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:54
Well I do hope it was fake.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:54
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 11:59
Go on hoping, guys .
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:00
Hang on, so if it's not fake, how in your right mind would you even think of such a thing? 
It's not something I'd think of associating with anyone...
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:03
Really? I could have sworn that... oh, never mind.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:21
It's not like there's no precedent. Look here, towards the bottom of the page (I used to be Manunkind, BTW):
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17454&KW - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17454&KW =
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:26
Rico too?
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:28
^ Yep. And he loves it, just read the next page of that thread.
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:29
I love when threads get hopelessly off topic!
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:32
"The Silly Necrophiliac Club"
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:32
^
It's not that off topic - after all, these things are done by moonlight, aren't they?
... or so I've heard...
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:35
Vompatti wrote:
"The Silly Necrophiliac Club"
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I wonder, would Debby find that offensive.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:37
Arrrghus wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
"The Silly Necrophiliac Club"
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I wonder, would Debby find that offensive.  |
Of course I meant silly in a good way. 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:37
I don't think she would, but if she does, I'm the one to blame here, not Vompatti or anyone else.
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:39
Geck0 wrote:
Hang on, so if it's not fake, how in your right mind would you even think of such a thing? It's not something I'd think of associating with anyone...
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A decent percent of the people on the archives are not in their right mind.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:40
^ That's probably true.
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:42
WEEEEEEEEE!!!! LET'S TINKLE IN A TRASH CAN!!!!
See what I mean?
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:45
Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:45
Well, at least I don't do drugs.
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:46
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:53
Back to the subject, I happen to be a HUGE romanticist.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:55
I'm not really a romanticist, but certainly silly.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:57
Oh, so you've said the same joke before, eh?
Hahaha. 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:59
^ Twice, both times with regard to Rico.
I can't wait for him to see this thread  .
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:01
Well, Manunkind, you owe me £20!
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:06
Geck0 wrote:
Well, Manunkind, you owe me Ł20! |
I'll quote a passage from my welcome thread:
Manunkind now works as a gardener in one of the Martian Greenfriar monasteries. He says he's found his ghak there (Martian word meaning left hand glove absent-mindedly lost a long time ago) and so he feels complete. He doesn't want to go back.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20894 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20894
You'll have to look for him there  .
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:08
Is he hanging around with Sun Ra?
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:10
Sun Ra's on Saturn, seems you slept during your astronomy classes .
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:14
Nothing to do with Astronomy... I saw a program about him, but I can't remember where he's from, but I know it sounds like a lot of fun.
Thought maybe Manunkind was there too, but oh well...
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:16
I almost believe he really is out there...
(I mean Manunkind, of course)
Oh well, thanks for the fun chat, but gotta log out now and dig someone up to appease Rico. Goodnight!
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Posted By: Falling Flower
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 17:37
Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:00
Holy crap! This got long while I was gone for the weekend!
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 18:16
Visitor13 wrote:
I'm not really a romanticist, but certainly silly. |
Oh, but you are, all romanticists are extremely silly and ridiculous, we just take ourselves to damn seriously. For example, I went to a Boy Scout Camporee this weekend, and my tent partner (my ASPL) and I stayed up for five hours just talking about the girls we like, and other stupid stuff like love and the like. To an outside observer, this activity looks extremly silly, and looking back, it looks silly and obsesive to myself as well, but it is not the romanticists place to look at things like this logically.
(Oh, and on the second night, there might have been poker involved, every Boy Scout's survival kit should include a good deck of cards)
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 19:09
^Poker is so romantic.
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 19:18
Vompatti wrote:
^Poker is so romantic.
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Um, I was in the tent with another GUY, and I don't lean that way. So stupid, the whole troop had such a good poker game going on, then staff shut us down. Something about being "past lights out" and "disturbing the camp" or some such crap.
Lights out is never when there are cookies, coblers, and shotguns!
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 20:36
WOOT
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 03:49
Scapler wrote:
It's not that I'm homophobic, but tell me what part of this is acceptable:Two cowboys leave the wives they have married, and one of them has children they abandon to go have some "cowboy fun" in a tent. It doesn't matter if these cowpeople are gay or straight, they already have families, and leaving those families, even if they are in love, is despicable, and a shirking and downgrading of the responsibilities of both a husband and parent. |
Sorry to come back to this subject, but I've been away for a couple of days, and was unaware of the offense I'd caused by referencing such a despicable film whose only intent is clearly to undermine society's moral base.
Just a couple of things:
1 - when the two main characters get together, they are single men with no ties - the whole premise of the movie is what happens when they go their separate ways, and meet up later when their lives have changed completely. It's an age old story about old flames meeting again after years apart, given a new (subversive, evidently) twist.
2 - the story is beautifully told, scripted, filmed & acted.
3 - it is only a movie
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 04:06
Scapler wrote:
WOOT
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I'm All In! 
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