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Topic: Best Imitation Groups
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Subject: Best Imitation Groups
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 17:29
Some moments of Echolyn sound so much like Gentle Giant I almost scorn them for their lack of originality... for the Porcupine Tree option, I'm thinking more along the lines of the group's earlier work as it better imitates Pink Floyd, IMO anyway. 

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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 17:31
hmm not to sure bout the imatations, think floyd and pink floyd u missed hehe. erm well i know porcupine tree are good

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 17:34
Marillion were a Genesis tribute band in all but name for their first couple of albums. This wasn't a bad thing at the time, seeing as Genesis had totally lost the plot by then, and they did develop beyond that pretty quickly. After all, if you're going to be inspired by anyone, you could choose a lot worse than Gabriel era Genesis.

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Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 17:38

Marillion is not an imitation of Genesis. have you ever truly listened to their released albums.

It's true they where influenced by the sound and the act of Genesis. But that's all.

I doubt Echolyn are a derivative band to Gentle Giant, and Porcupine Tree are not derivative to Pink aswell (for the few song I know of them aren't anyway). Starcastle is the only true imitation band you've mentioned. (I don't know Triumph).

This is not a good poll IMO, so I will refrain from voting in it. But I had to let you know how I thought about it.



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Posted By: Custodian
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 17:41
I just had to put in a good word for Triumph.  Although they were far too lightweight at times (they often reminded me of a very good bar band that had the good luck to get a record deal) I remember them very fondly.  I wouldn't call them a Rush copy band, though.  They were often unfavourably compared to Rush just because they were also a Canadian trio.  The Sex Pistols were a British foursome.  Were they Beatles imitators? 


Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 17:43
I've only heard Marillion and Porcupine Tree, and Marillion is better in my opinion.


Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 17:57
I have 6 porcupine tree albums, and i can honestly say that only one of them sounds like PF, to be honest that one does sound alot like PF, but still, I think you're being a bit unfair labelling them as an imitation group


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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 18:01
Only the early stuff from Porcupine Tree sounds a little like Floyd's early stuff...Marillion sounds nothing like Genesis to me (that label would go to IQ)..  I don't know enough about Triumph.. so I'm going with Starcastle and Yes, I guess...

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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 18:41
What about Trimuvirat (or however it's spelled) and ELP?


Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 18:47

Originally posted by Custodian Custodian wrote:

I just had to put in a good word for Triumph.  Although they were far too lightweight at times (they often reminded me of a very good bar band that had the good luck to get a record deal) I remember them very fondly.  I wouldn't call them a Rush copy band, though.  They were often unfavourably compared to Rush just because they were also a Canadian trio.  The Sex Pistols were a British foursome.  Were they Beatles imitators? 

So you never heard Blinding Light Show?



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Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 18:57
NOT FAIR. Marillion and Porcupine Tree do things I've never heard Genesis or Pink Floyd do and visa-vera. Not voting


Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 19:03
The first time I hear Marillion, the  thing that comes into my mind was the word "Genesis", but merely by the fact that Fish voice has resemblances with Gabriel. In terms of music i can't find much resemblance.


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 19:52
Surprised Spocks Beard aren't on the list - they've borrowed from every early 70's prog band.


Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 19:59
I don't know if these guys should be listed as tribute bands, but I like Marillion the best from that list.


Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 20:17

all modern rock bands are a "Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs" tribute band.

Dark Side of the Moon was nothing but "Wooly Bully" stretched out for a whole album.



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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 20:28
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

all modern rock bands are a "Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs" tribute band.

Dark Side of the Moon was nothing but "Wooly Bully" stretched out for a whole album.

I don't know about Wooly Bully but they used to do psychedelic versions of Louie Louie and Roadrunner.



Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 22:37

I think I heard of an entire album with nothing but "Louie Louie" covers. Does anyone know about that? I'd buy it, but then again...I'm an idiot sometimes.



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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 22:48
After listening to 'How long I have waited', and then hearing 'Knots', my vote goes for echolyn


Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 23:00

Sweetnighter:

I believe the word "imitation" is probably not the best word you could have used, at least "across the board."  Because while Starcastle, Triump and, to a lesser degree, Porcupine Tree do, in many ways, "imitate" the groups with which they are associated, I would not put Echolyn, and particularly Marillion, in that same category.

There is a difference between "imitation" and "influence," and the degree to which a band shows one or the other.  Echolyn is unquestionably influenced by GG, and they go a long way to sounding like GG.  Still, I would not call them "imitative," though they may straddle the line.

Even moreso Marillion.  While they are (or at least were) definitely influenced by Genesis, at no point do I hear "imitation," except perhaps, occasionally, in Fish's "channeling" of Gabriel vocally.

Peace.



Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 10 2005 at 23:20
Triumvirat definitely an ELP rip off, as they copied
almost identically and released CDs 2-3 years after
ELP. Should have been lawsuits for such a ripoff.
Although viewed from today I can see how much
people love ELP and want to hear the same thing in
a different version. Guess alot of Canterbury bands
could be accused of copycatting but strangely they
dont seem to be as guitly. Maybe Triumvirat being
from Germany and the affect ELP had on Italian
scene, maybe they saw this a new music and one to
follow along closely. Ditto to Starcastle and Yes
influence on them.

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 04:30
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

I think I heard of an entire album with nothing but "Louie Louie" covers. Does anyone know about that? I'd buy it, but then again...I'm an idiot sometimes.

I remember that - the late great UK DJ John Peel played a few of the more interesting interpretations on his shows way back in the mists of time - think it was on  Rhino records, though the old memory's not what it used to be. 



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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 04:43

Check out the band 'England; and their album 'The Garden Shed'. It is has the vocal harmonies of Yes and Gentle Giant, the big chords of Genesis and the lyrics of ITCOTCK era King Crimson.

This should make for a terrible album but amazingly, it actually works. No-one was more surpised than me but I like the bloody thing. They released this debut at the very moment punk hit and seemed to sink without a trace. I believe that a follow up record was released quite recently (during the late ninties/early noughties ) but I haven't heard that release.

 



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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 14:55
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

I think I heard of an entire album with nothing but "Louie Louie" covers. Does anyone know about that? I'd buy it, but then again...I'm an idiot sometimes.

I remember that - the late great UK DJ John Peel played a few of the more interesting interpretations on his shows way back in the mists of time - think it was on  Rhino records, though the old memory's not what it used to be. 

And what about the "Stairway to heaven" album, containing about 20 versions of the Led Zep classic, including one by Rolf Harris.Confused 

On the topic, I agree with Wiz, the inclusion of Porcupine Tree and Marillion is unfair, and invalidates the poll.



Posted By: The Owl
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 15:39

Of this type, some of the best "imitators" for me are:

1) The Watch - what might've happened if Gabriel stayed in Genesis.

2) Babylon - Did their own take on the Selling England/Lamb-period Gensis style, only more ominous, had this lead singer named Doroccas (who sounded far more like Gary Numan than Gabriel)  They also had this weird fixation with Nazi Germany in some of their songs, very strange!

3) Raw Material - Very VDGG informed

4) Island - VERY heavy VDGG influence with some Giant and Univers Zero thrown in.

 

 

 



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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 16:11
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

Guess a lot of Canterbury bands
could be accused of copycatting but strangely they
dont seem to be as guilty.


Dallas

There you go again talking about Canterbury bands, again indicating your and my definitions are an Atlantic apart.

As a Canterbury Scene fan since 1968 I find it almost impossible to get to grips with your statement here. So please make it clear which Canterbury bands are copycatting whom.



Posted By: Custodian
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 17:20
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I remember that - the late great UK DJ John Peel played a few of the more interesting interpretations on his shows way back in the mists of time - think it was on  Rhino records, though the old memory's not what it used to be. 

Yes.  Rhino records released at least two volumes of nothing but "Louie Louie."  I used to have the first.  It had the original Richard (?) Berry version, a marching band, and Black Flag's version.  I can't remember the rest, although it must have contained the Kingsmen too.



Posted By: Custodian
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 17:24
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

So you never heard Blinding Light Show?

Not that I remember.  Was that a Triumph song?  Off on a completely unrelated tangent...What do you Rush fans think of "Take Off"?



Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 17:29

Anekdoten = King Crimson

Lemur voice = Dream Theater

Vermilion sand = Renaissance

Tori Amos = Kate Bush

 



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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 17:29
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Check out the band 'England; and their album 'The Garden Shed'. It is has the vocal harmonies of Yes and Gentle Giant, the big chords of Genesis and the lyrics of ITCOTCK era King Crimson.

This should make for a terrible album but amazingly, it actually works. No-one was more surpised than me but I like the bloody thing. They released this debut at the very moment punk hit and seemed to sink without a trace. I believe that a follow up record was released quite recently (during the late ninties/early noughties ) but I haven't heard that release.

 

I last saw a copy of that in a branch of Boots somewhere over 25 years ago - I thought it looked interesting, but didn't want to waste my Saturday job wages on an unknown quantity so I gave it a miss. I've often wondered if it was any good, and now I now - Sigod, I thank you from the bottom of my heart!



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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 17:31
In the wake of Poseidon = In the court of the crimson king

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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 18:46
Originally posted by Custodian Custodian wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

So you never heard Blinding Light Show?

Not that I remember.  Was that a Triumph song?  Off on a completely unrelated tangent...What do you Rush fans think of "Take Off"?

Yes it was one of theirs off the first album (?)

I thought it was quite funny at the time, I bought the Bob & Doug Album and some of it is quite funny in a simplistic kind of way.

Twelve Days(beers) Of Xmas was quite funny



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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 18:50

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/9134/mack2.htm">Like, this is us, eh

Let's have a beer eh!



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Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: January 11 2005 at 20:55

To whoever did not get the memo: Triumph is not a Rush clone. Triumph's been around about as long as Rush; I believe Gil Moore & Mike Levine met Rik Emmett in '73 or '74. Seriously, these bands don't even sound like each other. Gil Moore's drumming is much more static and conventional than Neil Peart's; Mike Levine, while a solid bassist, is no Geddy Lee; Rik Emmett had a similarly-pitched voice, arguably, but his incredible lead guitar playing is what drew attention, as a left-hander who taught himself to play like a right-hander (hence that nifty fretwork). Rik is a fantastic guitar player, better than many of his peers.

Quote I just had to put in a good word for Triumph.  Although they were far too lightweight at times (they often reminded me of a very good bar band that had the good luck to get a record deal) I remember them very fondly.  I wouldn't call them a Rush copy band, though.  They were often unfavourably compared to Rush just because they were also a Canadian trio.

"Lightweight"? Are you referring to some of the singles, like "Hold On" and "Lay It On The Line"? Get the killer Live At The US Festival  DVD and watch these dudes rock out! My fave Triumph studio albums: Just A Game, Never Surrender and Thunder Seven.




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