Bjork
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Bjork
Posted By: Open-Mind
Subject: Bjork
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 13:25
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One of the most unique artists that is producing music nowadays, which combines in her music a wide texture of musical genres: from Jazz to Techno to Classical Music. Her voice and the extraordinary singing style is a trademark of Bjork's career. But even when we look further than the known artists that Bjork have worked with, if it's in the music, the videos or the plastic art, she still keeps a warm space for young artists to express themselves within her music. And also she maintains her ability to stay updated, to surprise, and to excite in her music. (O-M) Bjork's discography: http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bjork/discography Bjork's picture: http://www.jthreadgill.com/pinstripe/bigimages/bjork.jpg ------------- "I'm on a roll, I'm on a roll this time, I feel my luck could change.. " |
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Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 15:06
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I just wanted to ask you all to vote and, in addition, to note where do you want to see Bjork - Prog Related section or Art Rock section (If you voted 'Yes') ------------- "I'm on a roll, I'm on a roll this time, I feel my luck could change.. " |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 15:11
| I'm not very familiar with Bjork's output, but from what I know I think she deserves to be included, as she is a progressive artist in the true sense of the word. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 15:13
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yep, I like her, I think she would deserve. (then again, what do we do then with Laurie Anderson?   )------------- 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 15:31
Not really sure she belongs here. She's certainly experimental , but for me her first albums were trip hop. Loved Debut ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 16:17
| Some of her work is really interesting and experimental, but prog?? |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 16:21
Exactly I would not include her, just because you are experimental doesn't mean you are a Prog artist. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Bryan wrote:Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 16:23
Oh no, I balk at the thought of Bjork!
Definitely Bowie before Bjork...
Have there been any suggestions for Tori Amos?
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 16:26
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Not so sure about her earlier material (much as I like it) but Vespertine and Medulla both deserve inclusion as prog related at the very least. They feature RIO artists like Robert Wyatt and Zeena Parkins and are as adventurous and experimental and, yes, progressive as Radiohead's Kid A and Amnesiac or anything by Kate Bush. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 16:27
I quite like Tori Amos, and I have a few of her records as well.. However, I've never really thought about whether she's progressive or not. I suppose she is in a way, at least Prog-Related. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 16:34
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I haven´t heard that much Tori Amos, but what I have heard has been quite impressive. (A little bit like Kate Bush in some parts)
I really love the song "Crucify" The video is great!
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 21:33
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I always believed there's a difference between progressive and Progressive Rock:
1.- progressive: Any artist that goes beyond their time and/or leaves the boundaries of the common mainstream beyond, it's an adjective and qualifies the approach of the artist towards music. I believe Bjork MAY fit in this descriptoion and probably does.
2.- Progressive Rock: The genre that is our main reason to be here and hard to describe, Bjork is mainly an experimental mainstream artist, better than most wecan listen anywhere but at the end mainstream.
She's weird and has some experimental material but IMO that's not enough to be Prog as in Progressive Rock.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 22:18
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The trouble is we include Bjork we'd have to include Yoko Ono and her rubbish so I voted no. ------------- |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 07 2006 at 22:57
Agree with you and Homer Simpson:
Iván
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 08:57
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in which subgenre? RIO/avant prog or krautrock? I think it's time to re-situate the debate about eventual additions. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:11
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Agreeing with Zyzygy here: Medulla is certainly a lot more experimental and progressive than most stuff included here in the archives. Her three first albums are quirky mainstream pop (just like most Kate Bush albums). But Björk left the mainstream from Vespertine (or Maybe Selmasongs) and on. She more than qualifies as prog-related. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:17
Another candidate for "Progressive Pop". Although she also made some Avant-Gard albums ... pretty much like Tori Amos, for that Matter.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 09:26
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If you actually listen to Tori Amos and Björk's last couple of albums, there is really no point comparing the two at all. And when it comes to experimenting, Björk is lightyears ahead. They are both female artists, that's about it. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 11:01
Well, Allmusivc, the most general and wide musical site describes a ot of genres and sounds to describe Bjork:
None of them Prog, and we're talking about a site that considers Journey Prog
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 10 2006 at 06:24
As with Beatles, Deep Purple, Mahavisnu Orchestra, Return to Forever... ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 17:48
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In my opinion she should be included here. I don't like her, though; only respect her works.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 26 2006 at 20:38
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Oh please, what0's the point of resurrecting this again, Bjork is more interestoing than mainstream POP but she has crossed a lot of genres including Trip Hoip, dance, etc and none is Prog.
She's weird that's all, some Prog is weird but not all weird music isd is Prog.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 01:47
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Again I'd have to point out that if we add bjork we'd have to add Yoko Ono - and nobody wants that to happen, so lets drop it. ------------- |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 06:49
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as i said somewhere else, i don't think "progressive electro pop" qualifies for inclusion on the PA. not even such an experimental artist like Bjork.
i may be wrong as i haven't listened to this kind of music for a long time now, but i think 90s electronic (trip-hop included) has a certain characteristic that prevents it from being prog (prog rock, electronic, experimental, etc): the music is not performed, but it's sampled. the creation of the sounds is mediated, so inthis case the word "creation" can be questioned (only up to a point, though, and only in relation with other genres and in abstracto, as i think that in abstracto sampled electronics are music in the same degree as any other genre). i don't know much about music machines so this may be stupid, but if a music isn't performed (both for recording it and for playing it to audiences), if the sound isn't obtained "manually", let's say, this music doesn't qualify for any prog relation (which doesn't make it less good or less music).
IMO. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 07:12
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No from me. Lets draw the line somewhere for Odin's sake! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: December 27 2006 at 07:15
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At least Journey has three albums which are progressive (fusion). Check their three first albums to know about. I'm tired of pseudo-prog artists that "although they have 124421998492 pop albums, they have one that is more progressive than the most of albums in PA". Come on, Prog Rock is not "things I like that are not mainstream" . There are thousands of bands who made some few songs more experimental/elaborated. If we will add all this bunch of artists, sooner or later we will have 10,000 bands in the site and most of them uninteresting to the prog fans. Even Allmusic will have more credibility to determine what is prog than the PA. |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 20:01
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No offense, but we have here bands like Sigur Rós who in my opinion are very much like björk's music. I say this now that I own all of their albums and Björk's too. And rest assured it is not based on the similarity of the voice/language, otherwise I'd suggest Emiliana Torrini to be added.
Then you say she has some trip-hop, ok, some experimental, ok, very true. How about Peter Gabriel? I'm not putting him down here, in fact he's my second favourite artist of all time, but he did his Sledgehammer and Don't Give Up and such. Then he did his experimental stuff. I think along these lines I mean these artists are very similar, around what I've called psychedelic prog or psychedelic rock, but the rock would be a bit vague as it'd hold in such as Jefferson Airplane. But to what a HC progfan wants, björk gives more than Peter Gabriel perhaps. I think she and her work belong here as much as the rest. And for the matter of defining the (sub)genre, I never thought of her music as rock, must be a bit because the only thing "rock" and her album vespertine for example have in common is a singer. Might be a useless comment, but we do have bands here that are called prog only because they have extraordinary time signatures in their songs. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 20:54
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 21:08
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I think the perfect word for her music is eclectic. It's a good, pleasant mix of different genres, but that doesn't make her progressive. Just because something is unique and creative doesn't always mean it's progressive. Let's take for example Run DMC, they made stuff that was unique and creative but hardly progressive. I admit that Bjork has a lot more merit as a progressive artist than Run DMC but hte fact still stands that she's an interesting, creative artist, but not one who can truly be tagged a member of the progressive music scene -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 21:10
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I completely understand your point, but then, one thing I disagree with. THe only close to dance song I've ever heard from björk would be "There's more to life than this", which then again isn't dance. Trip Hop I'd allow, but rarely. Dance... no. Pop, yes some songs all right. But that's not a merit that closes her away, or not as I see it.
Anyway, on a side note, I don't listen to Peter Gabriel because of his name, nor should he be kept here because of it. I listen to him because he's an awesome artist, be it prog related or not. Damn, Phil Collins is a big name and surely prog related having played in Genesis too, only difference there is that he made somewhat worse music than Gabriel. And still, I refuse not to compare these two, as a long time (as long as it can be in my age) fan of both, and having heard their music over and over again. See into it, and you realise they both work with pretty similar methods and ways. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 00:16
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 00:18
| Bjork isn't prog. Drop it. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 00:40
So true! ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 13:23
Since when has any form of music not been available for plundering into a form of prog? Is this the 21st century insular approach to prog - certain has little to do with the freewheeling, let's try anything attitute of us first generation prog fans of the 60's. When artists as as varied as Robert Fiipp and Allan Holdsworth have been involved in projects that include dance/drum'n'bass (BPM & M) and trip hop (Riptyde) - and of course Fripp has played punk too - then the only rule for fusion of musical genres in progressive music: is there are no limitations. And Bjork would get my vote for inclusion - listen beyond the pop stuff. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 13:28
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I think Bjork has some prog elements, she would be a great inclusion, she mixes post rock, trip hop, and some other folk stuff with her magnificent voice. I agree with Dick Heath. The only restriction in prog is that you can fusion it with everything you want. ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 13:38
Let me make this clear first: I don't know much about Bjork's output, and I have no interest whatsoever in seeing her added to the DB. However, I completely endorse what Dick said in the above post. From what I've been able to see since I first started to post on PA, everybody seems to have their own perception of what prog is about, and sometimes this entails conveniently forgetting facts such as the ones Dick aptly pointed out. The Mars Volta were born out of the ashes of an emo-hardcore band, and many of the more obscure acts included in the DB have borrowed elements from kinds of music which are apparently polar opposites of prog. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 21:46
There's a difference, Fripp has played music that is accepted as Prog by everybody, IMO and the majority of Progressive listeners Bjork has never done anything related with Prog.
Genesis spent most of their career (In term of years) playing POP but they were a trascendental Progressive band in their first era, so they are here, but this is not the case of Bjork.
All her albums have the Dance/Alternative/Trip Hop component at least in one song each one and nothing remotely Prog.
She's eclectic, blends non prog styles into some interesting form of mainstream....yes, but nothing further than that.
If she ever releases a 100% Prog album, lets add at least the album (If this is allowed) but until today, she has done nothing remotely Prog.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 22:06
| I am satisfied. I won't demand that she's added to the list, I just want to give her the credit from what she has done in this field. And personally I'll still have my opinion of her music, be it what it is. |