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Topic: Arion, symphonic prog band
Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Subject: Arion, symphonic prog band
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 08:18
Dear folks:

I'd like to suggest a new band to be included in this website. Arion makes a wonderful progressive music that has a mixture of 70's vintage keyboards and style, great and unique female vocals plus some brazilian music overtones. Although little known their debut CD got some great reviews when it was released in 2001. I think it's about time to put the Arion name where it belongs, in the progressive music's best site ever!

Tarcísio B. Moura



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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 08:53
Any website links would be appreciated, so that we of the Symphonic prog team can get an idea...Wink

OK, found some...

http://www.geocities.com/genesisrafael/arion.html - http://www.geocities.com/genesisrafael/arion.html


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 10:14
Thanks, Ghost Rider. I've sent the required pictures, information and mp3 to ProgArchives for avaliation. 


Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:20
I know ARION's 2001 album, titled like the band itself, and I really enjoy it: beautiful and well-crafted music. Good symphonic prog.
 
   It should be included soon.
 
   Kind regards.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:23
Shall we discuss it tomorrow (tonight for you)? I'll be on MSN tomorrow morning, if Ivan wants to talk with us.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 18:51
Hi, Ghost Rider:

I'd be glad to talk to you. But I don't have your msn. I'm quite a freshman here. Everything's quite new to me. I still don't know how to contact most of the people on this site. (but I love it!)

Best wishes

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 18:55
Hi, Cesar:

I really hope Arion will be post soon. I love this band. It was one of those rare bands that make me believe Prog music was alive and well. I had the opportunity of seeing two of their concerts. Awesome! They play exactly like the album, and also did killer covers of Renaissance (Carpet Of the sun) and Kansas ( Dust In the wind).

Best wishes

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 16:33
After Cesar started this thread and sent me a PM I took the time to listen all the self titled album because I trust very much in his opinion and reached some conclusions:
 
1.- They are undoubtly Prog, that's a fact.
2.- They should be included in Prog Archives.
3.- They are not Symphonic, they are inspired in 70's bands but IMO they are clearly Neo Prog, a genre which is also influenced by 70's Symphonic.
 
If Cesar doesn't do it (Don't want to pass over him) I will start a thread for the inclusion of this good band in the Collaborators zone  but recommending them for Neo Prog.
 
Iván


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 17 2006 at 19:45
Dear Ivan:

Thank you very mucj for writing. It's a pleasure to know you. About Arion's classification, I still have my doubts. The only neo prog compenent in their sound are some guitar solos. The rest is either symphonic rock with jazz, classical and brazilian elements. But to me it is less importante the category than to the group to be included in Progarchives, regardless the classification. If you guys decide it is neo prog, so be it. It is only important for the people who likes prog music to get to know this band.

Thank you very much for your atention and time

Best regards

Tarcísio B. Moura


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 01:58
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Dear Ivan:

Thank you very mucj for writing. It's a pleasure to know you. About Arion's classification, I still have my doubts. The only neo prog compenent in their sound are some guitar solos. The rest is either symphonic rock with jazz, classical and brazilian elements. But to me it is less importante the category than to the group to be included in Progarchives, regardless the classification. If you guys decide it is neo prog, so be it. It is only important for the people who likes prog music to get to know this band.

Thank you very much for your atention and time

Best regards

Tarcísio B. Moura
 
No Tarcisio, thank you, the pleasure is all mine  and welcome to the Forum.
 
I'm sure Arion will be added because it's Prog, IMO is really predominant Neo with a lot of Brazilian elements, tomorrow I will be adding a thread in the Collaborators section for the addition and asking for feedback, if I get some legal link with samples (I have one album but legally not allowed to share it) I will also publish it for feedback.
 
It would be a big advanvce if you who are familiar send me by PM a biography of the band.
 
Thanks
 
Iván


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 10:18
Hello, Ivan:

I will try to get the band's biography. I wrote a very short one to be included in their entry, but I believe you want a official one, right? Getting the MP3 permission is harder, since I lost contact with the band some time ago and you should ask for that in their website: www.arionmusic.com.br.

Best regards


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 18:15
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Dear Ivan:

Thank you very mucj for writing. It's a pleasure to know you. About Arion's classification, I still have my doubts. The only neo prog compenent in their sound are some guitar solos. The rest is either symphonic rock with jazz, classical and brazilian elements. But to me it is less importante the category than to the group to be included in Progarchives, regardless the classification. If you guys decide it is neo prog, so be it. It is only important for the people who likes prog music to get to know this band.

Thank you very much for your atention and time

Best regards

Tarcísio B. Moura
 
No Tarcisio, thank you, the pleasure is all mine  and welcome to the Forum.
 
I'm sure Arion will be added because it's Prog, IMO is really predominant Neo with a lot of Brazilian elements, tomorrow I will be adding a thread in the Collaborators section for the addition and asking for feedback, if I get some legal link with samples (I have one album but legally not allowed to share it) I will also publish it for feedback.
 
It would be a big advanvce if you who are familiar send me by PM a biography of the band.
 
Thanks
 
Iván
 
Iván,
 
Moura sent me some samples of ARION and I liked them very much. Just like you I believe they deserve to be here (neo-prog or art-rock or ...).
 
We need more new bands, especially from our beloved Southern part of the world! Smile


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 03:03
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Hello, Ivan:

I will try to get the band's biography. I wrote a very short one to be included in their entry, but I believe you want a official one, right? Getting the MP3 permission is harder, since I lost contact with the band some time ago and you should ask for that in their website: www.arionmusic.com.br.

Best regards
 
Please Tarcisio, I'm interested in your bio (I rather original things than copied, good or average but are ours), please send it to me via PM and I will start a thread and add it for you of course with your name as author.
 
Iván


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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 20:47
On second thought, I think that the neo label wouldn't be unaccurate for ARION. And consider this, this label doesn't have to bear a pejorative connotation: it all depends on the individual prog lover's criterium. Unlike bands such as Castillo di Atlante, Dogma, Quaterna Réquiem or Anglagard, the polished flavors of Arion's music makes it closer to neo than to traditional symphonic prog, at least in a way. Additionally, you could say that the inclusion of Brazilian folk colors and acoustic elements brings some new particular texture to the neo sound. Not all neo has to be derivative from old-school Marillion, IQ or Pendragon. There's the fine example of The Watch, from Italy, whose neo sound bears influences from KC and VdGG together with Genesis and contemporary pychedelic rock. Also, bands such as Discipline and Daghmar (I don't buy that art rock label that the yhave so carellessly been granted here in the Archives), as well as Versus X, show that neo (the most innovative neo, that is) can comprise potential new trends within itself.
 
   Kidn regards.
 


Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 20:49
 
...BUT...!! All in all, I find them more symphonic prog than neo.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 08:17
Dear Cesar:

Thanks for your explanations. I know how hard it is to find the right label for a band, (if there's such a thing). I still think both neo prog and synphonic prog (or even Art rock) to be rather a mixed bag, with quite different bands coexisting side by side in the same genre. Well, at least to me Arionh's music is closer to what is called generally symphonic prog than neo, but I understand the ones who think otherwise. The guitar solos are very much Rothery-like, there's no denying in it, but the overall sound is too much in the vein of the great 70's bands like Yes, ELP and Renassaince. They are melodic and maybe not too experimental, or simply weird enough,l for some ears, but so were so many classic records by those aforementioned bands. Anyway, I like neo, as much as I like symphonic prog, or art rock, or whatever you call it, as long as the music is good. And I think Arion's music is very good and strong. It's prog and original (ok, not totally original, but who is really?). And they released this fabulous CD in a country with very little tradition on prog music, and even less support from recording companies or the media.  I met this guys in one of their concerts, talked to them and realised how much they loved the music which inspired them. The fact that no one in Brazil cared or believed in an orginal and sophisticated prog band didn't stop them to go out and release this little gem. No wonder they were so praised by the few who heard it, here, in Europe or Japan (where all the copies sent were quickly sold out). That's why I want them in this site. Neo, symphonic, art? You name it! It's progressive music, it's good.

And I thank God there are some people out there who still cares for good music. God bless this site and the hard working people of believers who does a great job here.

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 21 2006 at 22:51
Tarcisio: Please send me by PM the bio, I will inmediately add it but consulting with the Neo Prog team, if you got authorization for the samples, please send me the link so I can provide them to this team.
 
Cesar: Can't agree more with you, that nasty discrimination against Neo Prog is something that we all must forget, I admit I saw Neo over the shoulder once, but today I'm a fan of early Marillion, Pendragon and Magenta among other bands.
 
Iván


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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: August 22 2006 at 00:31
I humbly insist on giving the symphonic progressive label to ARION and let the neo specialists' team take care of any other bands around.

   Kind regards.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 24 2006 at 13:06
Hi Cesar:

Thanks for your opinion. I agree. I don't really see nothing neo prog about Arion, except the aforemetioned fact that some guitar solos seems to recall Steve Rothery's. Is that enough to label a band neo prog? They don't sound like early Genesis at all (as most of the neo prog bands do) and their aproach to music is totally symphonic. Their music is full of shifting rhythms and moods. Most a re long tracks with many moods and full of vintage keybords and the vocals are quite unique. Tânia Braz has a very interesting voice that sometimes remeber the great Annie Haslam when she sings the high notes. I can't recall anyone singing like her when she hits a lower register.The main problem may be the fact that their songs are just that: songs. they don't make a cacophony of sounds and call it a record. I don't know.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 24 2006 at 18:04
P.S. I think that if Renaissance released its first albums nowadays they'd be called neo prog. And even Yes and Genesis would face similar problems (at least with their first 2 releases). 


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 24 2006 at 19:15
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

P.S. I think that if Renaissance released its first albums nowadays they'd be called neo prog. And even Yes and Genesis would face similar problems (at least with their first 2 releases). 
 
Sorry to disagree Tarcisio (I always do, so get used, it's not personal LOL):
 
  1. Renaissance first two albums were closer to Folk rather than Symphonic but all along their career they played in the borderline of both genres.
  2. Yes debut, with covers and everything was a very advanced album, closer to Proto Prog than to Symphonic but since the start we all knew what they were going to be.
  3. Genesis first album was top 40 stuf that didn't reached the charts  because of a bad management, but their second album was 200% Prog.

None of this three bands could be remotely Neo Prog in their first albums for a simple reason, there was no Neo Prog before 1979 or in the worst scenario before A Trick of theTail because for some people this was the first Neo Prog album ever.

I will check with my team, already I have the music and have to insist in my point, they guitar a la Roothery is so strong that Airion can be considered Neo Prog easily, the music is good but IMO less pompous and brilliant as in Symphonic and at the same time lush and sober as in Neo Prog.
 
But please send me by PM the bio you made.
 
Iván


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 06:49
Dear Ivan:

Don't worry about not agreeing with me, it's always good to hear a different opinon. Besides, it would be a boring life if everybody agreed with one another, wouldn't it? The only pont I want to correct is that I know there was no neo prog before 1979, if you read carefully I was just saying that if those bands released their first albuns TODAY, they might be labelled as such.  But really I was joking. I don't really know how to label a band that well. But I like neo prog very much and I rate Marillion highly. During the dark times of the 80's I think they were crucial to keep prog music alive, well and in the public eye, even if some purists did not see them  as "real" prog or things like that.

Anyway I sent you a personal message and it looks like you did not got it. Did you?




Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 18:01
OH, by the way:

Do you really think Arion is less pompous than the average Symphonic band? How pompous they should sound to be labeled as such?


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 22:58
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

OH, by the way:

Do you really think Arion is less pompous than the average Symphonic band? How pompous they should sound to be labeled as such?
 
Tarcisio, it''s not a matter of degrees or precision, it's a bit experience and a bit feeling to value influences.
 
I believe they are closer to Neo Prog, lets wait for whhat the whople team says.
 
BTW: Never received your PM
 
Iván


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 31 2006 at 07:29
I will send a new one. The biography I'm sending is not exactly the one I wrote, since I got no copy of it. I hope you like it. About the samples: do you want me to send to you? Or did you get the ones I sent to the site?

best regards

Tarcísio


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: August 31 2006 at 16:36
HI, Ivan:

Arion Biography was sent by PM. Please aknowledge it.

Best regards

TArcísio Moura


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 07:33
HI, Cesar:

Iwas curious how you learnt about Arion, since the CD is so hard to find nowadays and it seems no one could find it on the internet for downloading. How did you get the CD? Can you tell me?

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 13:18
It's here Tarcisio, I will add it after I can publish the list of bands awaiting for publication since last week 8We need that two team leaders accept the bands we're sending).
 
You will be able to add the discography after this.
 
Thanks
 
Iván


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 07:32
Hi, Ivan:

I'll be waiting then. Did you still want the samples? If so, where should I send them?

Best regards

Tarcísio


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 07:33
Hey, you guys:

Have anybody found this CD on market (outside Brazil) or in the internet? I'd like to know if still avaliable in some form.

Thanks

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:16
I bought it in the Internet last year.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 12 2006 at 07:50
Hi, cesar:

It's interesting, since everybody is asking where to buy it. Where did you find it? Can you tell me which site it was?

Thansk a lot

Tarcísio


Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 12 2006 at 08:26
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Hi, cesar:

It's interesting, since everybody is asking where to buy it. Where did you find it? Can you tell me which site it was?

Thansk a lot

Tarcísio



There are a few sites around that deal in the harder to find stuff. I think a couple are completely supported by our membership.



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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 13 2006 at 16:16
Hi, Cesar:

Ok, I'll recomend to those guys to seek information with you about the sites. I also like your remark about your religion!

Thanks a lot

Tarcísio


Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 14:07
I am listening right now Eyes Of Time from Arion, a wonderful song with fourteen minutes!
What a beatiful piece of symphonic rock!
This band SHOULD be in PA!!!

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 14:11
It is since today - check the list of bands on the homepage!


Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 14:43
Uau, so rapid... Smile

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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 18:31
Hi, progbrazil:

Nice to meet you. Yes, Eyes Of Time is a great song on the CD, but my favorite is still Land Of Dreams. Do you know it? This was the last song they played when they opened for Focus when this dutch prog legend played in Belo Horizonte.

Best wishes

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 19:37
Hey, you guys!

I'd like to thnk you all very much for giving me your time, support and PMs. I not only saw Arion be included here o ProgArchives, but I also found many new friends. Thank you all for the kind words, information, help, advising, critics, suggestions, etc. I could not have made it without you.

My best regards
humbly

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 14 2006 at 20:19
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Hey, you guys!

I'd like to thnk you all very much for giving me your time, support and PMs. I not only saw Arion be included here o ProgArchives, but I also found many new friends. Thank you all for the kind words, information, help, advising, critics, suggestions, etc. I could not have made it without you.

My best regards
humbly

Tarcísio Moura
 
And now what do you think of shortening your sig, TMoura? Big smile


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:35
Hi Guigo:

Thanks again and I'll think about your suggestion!

Best regards

Tarcísio


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 06:51
Hi, Ghost Rider:

I'm having dificulties to get access to the Arion name. A friend of mine told me that when he looked for the name Arion he found about 30 entries, mostly showning the forum about the band, but none was the biography. I tried it myself and I found the same results. The only way to look for it was through the genre, symphonic prog. Is that permanent or does it take some time to access the biography thru name only? Could you clarify this for me?

Thanks a lot

Tarcísio


Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 08:08
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Hi, progbrazil:

Nice to meet you. Yes, Eyes Of Time is a great song on the CD, but my favorite is still Land Of Dreams. Do you know it? This was the last song they played when they opened for Focus when this dutch prog legend played in Belo Horizonte.

Best wishes

Tarcísio Moura


Hi Tarcísio.
You are right. I have listened all CD, and I can't decide what song is better.
Nice to meet you too. I hope we will add many more bands here.
Thank you for this topic.
Flávio


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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:46
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Hi, Ghost Rider:

I'm having dificulties to get access to the Arion name. A friend of mine told me that when he looked for the name Arion he found about 30 entries, mostly showning the forum about the band, but none was the biography. I tried it myself and I found the same results. The only way to look for it was through the genre, symphonic prog. Is that permanent or does it take some time to access the biography thru name only? Could you clarify this for me?

Thanks a lot

Tarcísio
 
Moura,
 
One alternative path.
 
1. Go to "Switch Index" (ProgArchives homepgae) and click Symphonic Prog.
 
2. There you'll find a list of bands and then click Arion. The bandpage will open.Smile


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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 11:54
'Obrigado' for your efforts Tarcisio Moura, I have put your Arion review in my thread about symphonic rock Thumbs Up ! And I will buy that album soon!


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:47
Hello, Flávio:

It's always good to meet someone who enjoys good music. Yes, I think the whole CD is a masterpiece, no wonder I worked so hard for Arion to be included here, I think they deserve the recognition. Anyway I heard T6ania Braz is working now in a solo CD and I'm eager to hear from it. If I can get a hold of it I'll tell you.

Best wishes

Tarcísio


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:49
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

'Obrigado' for your efforts Tarcisio Moura, I have put your Arion review in my thread about symphonic rock Thumbs Up ! And I will buy that album soon!


Hello Erik:

Pleased to meet you. I read some of your reviews and it's good to contact you. I hope you enjoy the Arion CD as much as I did. Keep on the excellent work!

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Prog-Brazil
Date Posted: September 15 2006 at 15:10
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Hello, Flávio:

It's always good to meet someone who enjoys good music. Yes, I think the whole CD is a masterpiece, no wonder I worked so hard for Arion to be included here, I think they deserve the recognition. Anyway I heard T6ania Braz is working now in a solo CD and I'm eager to hear from it. If I can get a hold of it I'll tell you.

Best wishes

Tarcísio


THANKS !!!!! Big smile


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 16 2006 at 07:45
You're welcome.

Prog forever!

Tarcísio


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 10:08
Hey everybody!

Anyone out there knows the e-mail ou msn address of  martijnmartens? He has recently written some reviews, but I can't find a way to send him a PM.

Thank you very much.

Tarcísio.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 21 2006 at 07:35
Thanks for the information!

Tarcísio


Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 20:44
I was listening to Arion today, it is really great, not to mention emotional and moving.
Not so sure if it could be called Neo though.


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 23 2006 at 21:03
Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

I was listening to Arion today, it is really great, not to mention emotional and moving.
Not so sure if it could be called Neo though.
 
 
Really it's in the limit, has elements of both, the lush keyboards are 100% Symphonic but the guitar a  la Rothery sounds as Neo Prog.
 
Anyway it's an excellent band and we are happy to keep them in Symphonic.
 
Iván
 


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 20:34
Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

I was listening to Arion today, it is really great, not to mention emotional and moving.
Not so sure if it could be called Neo though.


Hello Waywardson:

Well, I was glad to see them labeled as symphonic prog, because that's what i think they really are (plus a few elements of neo prog in some guitar solos). You can find them now in the ProgArchives on the symphonic prog  category. For some reason an * was added to their name (Arion*), probably to avoid confusion with the Arion music label in europe. Anyway I'm really glad they are included in this site and in this category (you have to go there to find them).

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 24 2006 at 20:50
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

I was listening to Arion today, it is really great, not to mention emotional and moving.
Not so sure if it could be called Neo though.


Hello Waywardson:

Well, I was glad to see them labeled as symphonic prog, because that's what i think they really are (plus a few elements of neo prog in some guitar solos). You can find them now in the ProgArchives on the symphonic prog  category. For some reason an * was added to their name (Arion*), probably to avoid confusion with the Arion music label in europe. Anyway I'm really glad they are included in this site and in this category (you have to go there to find them).

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura
 
TM,
 
The * is used because there is information missing for the band. Smile


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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 04:12
Tomorrow I will receive the Arion CD, I hope to review it the same day Wink I am looking forward to the vintage keyboard sound, I love to be flooded by Moogs, Hammonds and Mellotrons Approve


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 04:34
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

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The * is used because there is information missing for the band. Smile


Guigo, doesn't the asterisk mean they are a new addition? I added Arion myself, and I had all relevant information at my disposal.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 08:46
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Tomorrow I will receive the Arion CD, I hope to review it the same day Wink I am looking forward to the vintage keyboard sound, I love to be flooded by Moogs, Hammonds and Mellotrons Approve


HI, Erik. I hope you enjoy the keyboards sound. Sérgio Paolucci plays a lot of grand piano, Hammond and Moogs (plus some other synthesisers), but unfortunatly it seems he was unable to get a Mellotron, those early instruments are very hard to find here in Brazil.. But really you won't miss it it, at least I don't in this CD context. He was able to get a vintage mini-moog synthesiser that he programs himself, though.


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 08:50
 
TM,
 
The * is used because there is information missing for the band. Smile
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HI, Guigo:

If there's any information missing, I'd be glad to give it. But really, is it the case? I think everything that was asked was provided. Anyway, if so, just ask.




Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 10:23

Hello Tarcisio.

That Arion CD must be really good to please me if there is no Mellotron on it .. Wink

I remember another wonderful Brasilian symphonic rock band using much Grand piano, that was Loch Ness on their album Prologue, this evoked a lot of tension with the harder-edged electric guitar Thumbs Up

I hope to hear your comment on my review...
 


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 25 2006 at 18:18
Originally posted by Tarcisio Moura Tarcisio Moura wrote:

 
TM,
 
The * is used because there is information missing for the band. Smile


HI, Guigo:

If there's any information missing, I'd be glad to give it. But really, is it the case? I think everything that was asked was provided. Anyway, if so, just ask.


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Duh... the info I had is that (*) is used when something important is missing, etc. as a feedback for the teams responsible to complete the discographies and/or edit errors and omissions. If I'm wrong I'm sorry! Embarrassed  


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 13:39
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Hello Tarcisio.

That Arion CD must be really good to please me if there is no Mellotron on it .. Wink

I remember another wonderful Brasilian symphonic rock band using much Grand piano, that was Loch Ness on their album Prologue, this evoked a lot of tension with the harder-edged electric guitar Thumbs Up

I hope to hear your comment on my review...
 



Hi, Erik:

I just read you review. Well, I'm glad you liked the record, although I don't really agree with everything you wrote. I still think they're very much a symphonic prog band, but I also understand it takes some time to get all the subtleties their music offers. They're only different. On the surface the CD really sounds a bit neo progressive in some parts, so I reckon other reviewrs opinions. Anyway, I'm glad you wrote the review, it's far better than mine!

And  yes, they do not have a mellotron on the album, but as long as I remember during one of their shows I saw Sérgio Paolucci playing and old ARP String Essemble synthesizer which, I think, it's the same he plays on record and this instrument is also part of the prog history, isn't it?

I'm looking forward to hear some of the bands you mentioned on the review. I'm really curious about them.

Thanks for writing and I hope we can talk more soon

Tarcísio Moura




Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 26 2006 at 15:21
Hello Tarcisio.
 
Yes, our reviews were quite different in several ways, also the rating. To me the music sounded more modern and accessible than I had expected and also the atmosphere was in general more close to early Marillion than Yes or ELP, I had expected a more typical Seventies sound. But both reviews are positive and I hope it will seduce other progheads to discover Arion. And I hope you will visit my thread about symphonic prog in the Prog Music Lounge, it is loaded with recommendations Wink


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 07:45
Helol, Erik:

Yes, I think different people and different opinions will always appear. I still think the best of them is not really their obvious 70's influences, but the mix with brazilian roots. That gave them a sound of their own. Maybe is a little hard to find all the small details and nuances. At least it took me some time to fully appreciate it.  Anyway, it is always good to hear other opinions.

By the way, how can I find your thread? What's the music lounge?

Best regards!

Tarcísio Moura




Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 27 2006 at 13:11
If you click on Active Topics, you can find the Prog Music Lounge, the first choice, then you will find my thread entitled Symphonic Prog Appreciation Thread, on page #1 I have selected all progrock specials from countries like Spain, Italy, Japan, USA, ... etc. I hope you will find it, lots of recommendations Wink


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 09:21
Hello, Erik:

I visited you r music thread, very interesting and lots of new bands! Congratulations for the great and patient work. I like prog bands with female singers. If you know many of them around could you tell me which one's you think are the best?

Thank you very much

Tarcísio


Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 28 2006 at 11:56
Tarcisio, thanks for the compliments, how good to read that my thread about symphonic prog pleases you Thumbs Up
 
My recommendations for bands with female singers: Italian band Aries is great and also Nexus, especially the album Metanoia and let's not forget Bacamarte with the 'classic' Depois Do Fim Clap !


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 07:15
Hi, Erik:

Your prog thread is really amazing, I wonder how you do it and when you find time to hear, avaliate and write it a!l!LOL

Anyway,m thanks for the recomendations. I got Metanoia form Nexus and I'll be reviewing it soon, I'm waiting for Aries to arrive.

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 08:02
Well, Tarcisio, my secret is that I have a progrock database with more than 2000 reviews I have written in the last 15 years for several progrock magazines and progrock sites. For my symphonic prog thread I compile these reviews out of my progrock database, it's a less time-sonsuming than first listening and then writing as you presumed Wink Nonetheless, it takes a lot of time to make all those specials but it is fun and I am very pleased with all those positive reactions, like from you Thumbs Up
 
Bacamarte is from Brazil, do you know that awesome band?
I am looking forward to your reviews!
 
By the way, I have posted your reaction in my thread, OK?


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 14:42
Hi, Erik:

I just heard Nexus Metanoia CD and I found it really outstanding! Although I still think Arion is better (at least in the originality and lead singer topics) I have a place in my heart for them. I thank you for the recomendation. It is always a pleasure to find such great bands to hear and it's a pity so few people have the opportunity to do so. People like you are a great help to spread the word. Keep on the excellent work.

Thanks for posting my opinion in your thread. It's only sincere.

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 13:47
Hi, Erik:

I Loved the Aries CD! Very, very good. It was a nice surprise.Thanks for the recommendation.

Best regards

Tarcísio


Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 15:05
Hello Tarcisio.
 
Thanks, good to hear your positive remarks about Aries, this band deserves more attention!
 
I just told in my thread about symphonic prog that during the progrock evening I organized last Friday your band Arion was embraced, lots of symphomaniacs intend to buy it Thumbs Up But we had a discussion about the category, in the end somebody said 'neo-symphonic prog' Wink


Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 15:43
I have listened to the album and i think it´s pretty good!

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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:24
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Hello Tarcisio.
 
Thanks, good to hear your positive remarks about Aries, this band deserves more attention!
 
I just told in my thread about symphonic prog that during the progrock evening I organized last Friday your band Arion was embraced, lots of symphomaniacs intend to buy it Thumbs Up But we had a discussion about the category, in the end somebody said 'neo-symphonic prog' Wink


Hi, Erik:

Yes, I think Aries should get more attention. I loved it, very good music, I keep listening to it over and over.


It must have been very cool the progrock evening. I wish I was thereTongue. Well, some people would say Arion is neo progressive when they hear two of the guitar solos (namely on Eyes Of Time and Land Of Dreams). they do ressemble Steve Rothery style, but that's it. The rest is quite symphonic and I see no traces of neo prog anywhere else. But really it does not surprise me. I've seen a lot of bands that I would say it's more symphonic than neo prog, and they are included in that category and that includes Nexus. So I think its a matter of opinion more than anything else. It seemes that very few people are willing to accept new bands in that "top" label, isn't it?

Best wishes

Tarcísio 


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:36
Originally posted by memowakeman memowakeman wrote:

I have listened to the album and i think it´s pretty good!


Hi, Memowakeman:

I'm really glad you liked it. I was lucky to see the band live and I can tell you they play exactly like the CD, but unfortunatly the record does not reproduces the whole performance (specially the charismatic singer Tânia Braz, who also used to dance during the instrumental breaks, giving a hint of her time as a flamenco and classic dancer). But anyway, it's good to know that Arion's music reached your country. I hope they live up to your expectations.

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 13:04
Hello, Cesar:

I just read your review about the band Aisle. You got me curious about it and I asked for the CD. I'll write when I get it.

Thanks for the recomendation!

Best regards

Tarcísio Moura


Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 14:26
Hi, Memowakeman:

Just got a CD from a mexican band called Cast. Beyond Reality is really a great album, it quite surpised me. Do you know any other albums from this band you recommend?

thanks a lot

Tarcísio B. Moura


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 13 2006 at 14:39

My good friend Tarcisio,

Have you thought in navigating through our forums? Wink Leave this topic only for Arion and visit other fine places here in PA.

In other words: dę um bordejo por aí, uai!
 
Hug
 
 
 


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Posted By: Tarcisio Moura
Date Posted: October 16 2006 at 14:06
HI, guigo:

Ok, I'll. There are so many topics... it was easier to talk right here, but I got your point and you're right.

Best regards

Tarcísio



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