Jimi Hendrix
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Topic: Jimi Hendrix
Posted By: Progressive??
Subject: Jimi Hendrix
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 16:50
| well, i think that if The Beatles, and Iron Butterfly are in the archives, then The Jimi Hendrix Experience shoul be too. |
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 16:53
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For what he did for guitar playing maybe he should.
Someone told me that the song "1983" was his proggiest moment.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 16:58
you haven't heard it? .... if you haven't... you really need to find a copy of Electric Ladyland... that is an album that should be in everyone's collection. oh yeah... I always thought it was his prog moment in the sunshine... great track... essential album... edit... and a big NO from Micky on the poll question... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
WaywardSon wrote:Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:02
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There are some proggish moments on Electric Ladyland, but I don't think
he should be included in the archives. Great musician and songwriter,
one of my favourites, but he hasn't had a particularily big influence
on Prog to be classified as Proto-Prog. He hasn't made enough Prog or
proggish material to be included as Prog Related either. Sorry.
Psychedelia isn't always Prog or Proto-Prog. Not all good music is prog music.  |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:02
| Great as he was, No. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:04
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I'm a pretty big fan of Jimi Hendrix. There is no doubt that he expanded the possibilities of rock music and was a major player in pushing the prog movement. Also, considering that the Soft Machine and The Nice were closely affiliated with the lad also pushes his prog credibility. And don't forget 'Band of Gypsies', considered an early example of fusion music. -------------  
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:06
Fusion of Blues and Funk maybe, but not of Jazz and Rock, like most Fusion is. Great live album though! |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:07
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Joe Satriani once said Electric Ladyland is his favourite Hendrix album (and he is a Hendrix fanatic!)
I´ve heard 1983 and really like it, I think I will get this album.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:08
agreed on the blues and funk.... and any album with Machine Gun get a clappie from me... wow!  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:18
As long as you (or anyone else) don't call it an epic because of it's twelve (on the Live at Isle of Wight album, 22) minutes! Wonderful song though, I agree that it deserves a clappie! |
Posted By: Progressive??
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:22
Iron Butterfly didn't have great influence, though.
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:24
I'm not too big on Iron Butterfly.  -------------
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:25
Then I suppose they ought to be kicked out. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:31
| Hasn't had a big influence on prog? I can't think of a musician who has had more influence on practically all living guitarists since! |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:34
But how big of an influence has he been on the development of the Progressive Rock style? Not enough to be included, I'm afraid. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:40
couldn't agree more.... there isn't a guitarist alive that he hasn't influenced... but that still doesn't make him prog... why can't people get that through their heads hahhah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:44
| Btw, this topic ought to be moved to the "Suggest new bands/artists" section. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:54
Indeed, after adding progressive pop like The Beatles this site should add the late guitar genius Jimi Hendrix. His influence on the progrock guitarists is more substantial than the influence by The Beatles on progrock bands (the main reason for Chief mailto:M@X - M@X to add The Beatles to this site) so a big hand for Jimi on Prog Archives, Electric Ladyland rules  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:56
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The genre that got the most influnce from Hendrix was prog, imo. -------------
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:59
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Exactly where do you hear traces of Hendrix's music in prog, except for
in the technique and style of guitarists? I have listened to quite many
prog records, and so far I haven't detected any Hendrix influence in
the compositional structures or lyrics or whatever. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 17:59
well honestly... if Jefferson Airplane was added.... Hendrix will be as well I suspect... not the end of the world... but how about leave his influence on an instrument aside.. less we start putting Les Paul here in PA's and concentrate on the music... if Hendrix ...then Cream will be next... where does it end brothers.....  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:05
| I think both the Proto-Prog and Prog Related categories are getting very out of hand. This is supposed to be a site for Progressive Rock. That does not include bands that influenced Progressive Rock or sound similair to Progressive Rock, in my opinion. I agree that adding notable influences such as The Beatles has a certain value, but really, since the music isn't Progressive Rock, what's it doing on a Progressive Rock website? I mean, if we're going to include all the direct and indirect influences on Prog, we need to add many classical composers and a whole lot of jazz artists, aswell as many more rock and pop bands from the '50s and '60s than we already have on the site. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:05
Well, Micky, mailto:ChiefM@X - Chief M@X with all his wisdom decided to add The Beatles, meanwhile Wishbone Ash was also added along bands like Rdiohead, Talk Talk and JM Jarre so ............. what's next  , Paco De Lucia, the most progressive flamenco guitarplayer of all times  ?
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:06
| I'd like to see Johann Sebastian Bach added. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:09
Too poppy  !
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Posted By: Progressive??
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:09
| keith emerson has said that he has been more influenced by guitar players like Jimi Hendrix , than by piano/keyboard players |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:14
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H..ELP |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:20
For playing, yes. But how much of Hendrix's music do you hear in ELP's music? Compare the amount of Hendrix influence to the amount of influence from classical music. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:20
I know... the man with the plan..makes the plan.... just throwing out my two cents as usual.... I agreed with the Beatles... Radiohead.. Jean Michel Jarre.... I do have a problem with the creeping in the psychedelic groups into this.. so I just voice my objections for what they are worth... Prog grew OUT of psychedelia... while related they are seperate in my book. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:21
Amen. |
Posted By: Progressive??
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:22
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ELP is a band that plays symphonic ROCK , and even when you hear a lot of, say, Copland, they're still a rock music band.
HENDRIX IN THE ARCHIVES!!!!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:23
I hear a lot of Copland, yes. But I don't hear anything of Hendrix. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:23
as a showman of course.... .that's a damn flimsy excuse to anoit Hendrix prog Had he lived... he probably would have joined the prog movement... but alas did didn't...and he didn't...------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 18:33
amen.... Prog is the elevation of rock to artistic standards.. don't focus on just symphoinic influences... anyone who has been here more than a week should know that prog is SO MUCH more that symphonic prog.... Hendrix was a blues artist though progressive in nature of course... pure and simple... blues is about emotion... not art.. They are not compatible in my musical world-view. That's it for my soap-box... this I'm sure will be M@x's decision to make. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 20:35
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Ahh - ''1983 .... (A Merman I Should Turn To Be )" Who cares. if it is Prog or not. It is one of the greatest tracks ever recorded. Light years ahead of some of the music already on this site, and far more progressive too. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 20:55
to use a previous posters wise words... Not all good music is prog music. it is a great track from an incredible album After I finish this DVD I need to put Electric Ladyland on... I haven't listened to that in so long. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Progressive??
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 20:58
could not disagree more. art is also a way to express emotions. if not, none of Peter Hammil's songs are art.
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Posted By: Progressive??
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 20:59
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why does Micky write so weirdly?
HENDRIX IN THE ARCHIVES!!!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 21:05
Could you please try to offer valid answers to our arguements instead of calling our writing weird? You won't get anywhere with your quest unless you provide some solid proof that Hendrix did have a significant influence on the prog rock movement and the music it turned out as a whole. Again, that does not include influencing/inspiring individual guitarists. Micky and I have offered our arguements agains Hendrix's inclusion in Prog Archives as Proto-Prog, now we want to see your arguements, not just "he influenced many guitarists, in prog aswell" or "Hendrix in the archives!" screamed in caps. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2006 at 21:06
I couldn't agree more.... art....great art can evoke emotions... but you miss the point... Prog IS art...intended to be treated as art.. to be reflected upon.. to be pondered and considered... and subject to individual listeners attention.... blues tells a story... the blues ... is not held to the same artistic standards the prog is... why do you think that Prog was in part a break from the constraints of blues-based rock. Not that artists didn't incorporate the blues in the mix of musical styles that prog did. IMO as always so don't get your panties in a wad ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dr4Wazo
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 00:42
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and what about Peter Frampton ------------- 
"Mëem Otsilennhetëe Dros Sun Surra Steuhn Do Nansei" |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 02:06
hhahah... he did do a double live album.... more prog in that alone than Hendrix has ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 03:17
Oh no, that too... Are there no limits to your skeletons in the closet? BTW, as much as I like Hendrix's output, I don't think he should be added to PA. If we're looking for influential guitarists whose output can (at least in part) considered prog, we should look to Jeff Beck. "Blow by Blow" is a jazz-rock masterpiece of the first order! |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 03:30
| If, then he would need his own genre, "Blues Prog" together with "Cream", "Iron Butterfly" and others... |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 03:52
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Considering that there are lot of craps on PA, i don't see why Hendrix should not be included as proto-prog. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 03:56
Yes, we could create a lof of sub genres in proto-prog, and so we could include Hendrix into psyche blues-rock or prog blues, Jefferson in "US psyche", etc...that would open the door to even more bands. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:06
| Guys, just remember that we can make suggestions, but ultimately it's for the site owners to decide... Personally, I would be in favour of more subsections, though the danger of seeing many definitely unprog bands get in would increase. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:16
There are already many 'at least doubtful bands' on this site so let's re-organize Prog Archives by creating sub-genres like heavy progressive, psychedelic inspired, Sixties proto-prog, progressive pop, etc., this will enables us to add Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zeppelin and Santana because I keep on saying that it's a shame the we have to read reviews about many  bands while the abovementioned, very pivotal and creative bands are still not added  ... !
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:19
Pearls of wisdom, Erik... Let's just hope someone listens to us! |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:22
I wish mailto:M@X - M@X considers me as 'a pearl of wisdom'  !
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:47
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YES, but in Prog Related ------------- 
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:58
Me as 'pearl of wisdom' in Prog Related ...  .. ?
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 07:15
^ 
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 07:35
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 09:41
Let's start a poll: "Should Erik get his own subgenre?" -So. What kind of prog is your favourite? -I've always liked erik neuteboom prog
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 10:08
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I have created an own subgenre entitled Prog Andaluz but it's rejected while we are still looking at subgenres like Raga-/Indo-rock on Prog Archives, very confusing ..
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 17:09
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He's maybe the best guitarist ever and I enjoy his music a lot. But I don't find it to be Prog, neither he had so much influence on pure Prog artists. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">  
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 17:11
I haven't heard any Spanish prog, but judging from the close relation to the folk music (flamenco) people seem to have down there, I'm sure that there is a particular style of prog in Andalusia, and in Spain in general. I'm all for that new subgenre! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:09
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Progressive is not the same as Prog Rock.
Jimi Hendrix was a minor influence on some Krautrock bands - but hardly influenced Prog Rock as a genre at all. He's not even Prog-related. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:31
| Many progrock guitarplayers are influenced by the late Jimi Hendrix, I presume these guitarplayers has put that influence in their music so to me it sounds reasonable to conclude that Jimi Hendrix was very influential to progrock ... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:43
damn right partner... and no.. there are NO limits to the skeletons in my closet.... unless you are just referring to my choices in music...  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:44
you've got (always had hahah) my support on this one... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:46
oh man... talk to Erik.... the man has some great suggestions... I reviewed one he suggested to me by Mezquita.. WOW! You'll love it.. trust me... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:47
that man ^ knows what the hell he's talking about ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:57
| Did you know that when Jimi lost his mother (alcoholic, destroyed liver) when he was 12, the guitar became a substitute. Even when he went to the toilet the guitar was with him and he also imitated every sound with his guitar. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 19:06
Hendrix was a master.. and his influence even trickled down ....I tried that with my first Rickenbacker... I ate, slept, even bathed with her... how'd she repay me for all that love... got her neck broken in a nasty fall... I was never quite the same afterward. My playing suffered as welll ... or so I tell everyone ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 19:09
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Poor you Micky, perhaps a misplaced childhood could have tributed to some magic |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 19:15
hahahha that's true... I could have been the next Chris Squire... only a foot shorter and even more of a pain in the ass Well here's to normal childhoods everywhere ...they're not all that they are cracked up to be.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 19:23
Ok, so let's get back on topic!
I again ask you where you hear Hendrix in any Prog song. In all the Prog I've heard, I haven't heard one single direct influence from Hendrix. If you provide me with evidence that he was a major influence on the developement of the classic Progressive Rock sound, I will consider changing my mind. The arguement you're using suggests that Hendrix is proto everything, not only Prog. You say he has influenced practically every guitarist, in that case you'd have to name him even as Proto-Pop (Pop, of course, referring to post-1970 Pop) to some degree, as there are Pop guitarists influenced by him. I'm sure one could somehow trace his influences as far as rap or electronica or other guitarless genres with this attitude. We need to draw the line somewhere. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:35
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First I have said "that Jimi influenced many progrock guitarplayers", not "practically every guitarist", that's quite a difference, Phileas!
The influence of Jimi Hendrix on progrock guitarplayers:
- the use of wah-wah
- creating unusual sounds with your guitar
- the use of the amplifiers for distortion
- the changes from rhythm guitar to solo
- the wild stage performances (from Keith Emerson to Gianni Leone from Il Balletto Di
Bronzo)
.. to name a few!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 07:20
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Those points have, as far as I am concerned, little to do with the
compositional structures, the music itself, in Prog. It was also Eric
Clapton who first used distortion in popular music, and I'm sure he might have changed
between rhythm guitar and soloing before Hendrix did aswell. Regarding
the stage performances, I can hardly see what impact they have on the
music. The use of wah-wah can hardly be used as an arguement, because
the wah-wah pedal is an accessory for electric guitar. It's a bit like
saying that the first major artist using Fender amps in the early 50's
influenced prog, because Steve Howe used Fender amps. It doesn't really
work out in my mind. You have, however, one point that is more reasonable than the others, the one about Hendrix influencing people to create strange sounds with the guitar. However, during that time, there was much psychedelic experimentation in music, and I don't think Hendrix is the sole source. I also think that this arguement suggests that we could also consider Electric Blues artists of the '50s such as Muddy Waters or B.B. King as Proto-Prog, since they often used extensive soloing on the guitar in their music, a form of playing that is also found in Prog. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 08:13
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Although I would not describe Jimi Hendrix as Prog, "Electric Ladyland" comes very close (1983 - a merman i will turn to be), he was a very progressive musician technically and in the studio, he knew about distortion being a fan of Eric Clapton (he was chuffed to find Eric was a big Hendrix fan!) and visited Jim Marshall's shop, where Clapton bought his famous "Bluesbreaker" combo, used to good effect on the "Beano" album. If at all Jimi could be included in a Prog-related sub-genre called "Blues-Prog", but things are quite complicated as it is!!!
Original 1968 UK sleeve for "Electric Ladyland" - Jimi hated it!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Electric_ladyland_nude_front_and_back.jpg">
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Posted By: User123abc
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 17:16
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Anyone remember Robert Fripp saying that he imagined King Crimson to be 'what Hendrix would sound like playing Bartok.' Hard to say there wasn't some influence. But then again, by that logic, anyone important in developing the blues tradition could also be considered influential... So I guess this is just trivia :-) |
Posted By: Progressive??
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 21:35
| There is a book about progressive rock (I don´t remeber the name) that said trhat Jimi's music was a really important part in the foundation of Progressive rock. In fact, Jimi was part of what in that book was called: "first wave", along with Procol Harum, the nice, and others |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:25
That's not influence, that's just a comparison Rober Fripp made between his and Hendrix's music. He didn't mention being influenced by Hendrix, and I don't hear much Hendrix influence in his music anyway.
Do try to find out the name of that book, I'd be very interesting to read it. As far as I know, no one considered Hendrix to be part of the early Progressive Rock movement during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Hendrix played Psychedelic Rock and Electric Blues. I can accept him being called a "Progressive Blues" artist, but not a Progressive Rock one. I accept that he might have had some influence on Prog, but as far as I can hear when I listen through the classic Prog records, there isn't enough of Hendrix in there to justify his inclusion as a Proto-Prog artist on this site. Again, if we ever were to have a Progressive Blues category on this site, I'd accept his introduction into it. However, as we don't yet have that category, I think that Jimi Hendrix should be left out until it's implemented. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:47
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I think the whole debate boils down to
1 Being Progressive
2 Playing Progressive music
Hendrix was Progressive in the way he changed guitar playing, but then so was Eddie Van Halen when he introduced two hand tapping to the masses.
But both of them didn´t really play Progressive music.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:22
Amen, brother! At last someone with some sense... |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:26
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Absolutely not, Hendrix was built off of show styles that musicians have little appreciation for. Hendrix never did anything that was "progressive" he was just a blues guitarist with an edge. -------------  
"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 13:35
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Oh, just a blues gitarist with an edge? I can remember me an album Electric Ladyland on which he blends several styles, above that he has played not only blues but also rock, psychedelia and some great varied work on the acoustic guitar In my opinion Jimi Hendrix was already 'progressive minded' in his mother's womb |
! Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:06
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Perhaps he was progressive as a Blues guitarist, but I standby my
opinion that he hasn't had a sufficient influence on Prog to be
included as Proto-Prog. Like I said though, he'd fit in a Progressive
Blues category, but since we don't have such a category yet, I think
it's better to leave him off the site completely. We can't have all the
Psychedelic bands and artists of the late '60s here, can we? |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:09
Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:13
De acordo!  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:18
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Maybe in the future we could have a rock/metal/blues genre?
Then we could accept Hendrix, Rainbow...OK...OK.....it will never happen
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 15 2006 at 10:03
No. Equally bad. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: August 16 2006 at 01:35
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I need to find out more about Hendrix, I used to own his greatist hits but I don't think thats enough. ------------- |
Posted By: Progressive??
Date Posted: August 16 2006 at 16:57
i took this from this page.
The development of Progressive Rock MusicThe development of Progressive Rock Music, a difficult task Late 60s and beginning of the 70s I would say it all began with psychedelic music, i.e. essentially Jimi Hendrix and earlier PINK FLOYD (all their stuff with Syd Barrett). Some people say that The BEATLES also had a contribution to the prog movement). Then came bands such as KING CRIMSON and YES at the end of the sixties...... i
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 16 2006 at 19:23
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"I would say" Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles. |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 05:52
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I voted Yes, as proto-prog, but be aware:
If he is ever admitted in PA, chances are that the forum members and others would start adding enourmous number of compilations, live, semi-legal ottakes etc. Hendrix albums, while he officially released only five: (Are You Experienced, Axis:Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland with JHE trio, Band of Gypsys with the same trio and Cry of Love as solo).
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 19 2006 at 07:48
Actually, there have been many more official releases lately, such as rarities compilations and a couple of live discs, but there are still tons more rubbish out there, sadly. |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 16:06
Hmm... could "Hey Joe", covered by the newly born Deep Purple be an evidence
...? Well; you can come up with two other Beatles songs DP also covered (around the same time!); but there might be more... Apart from covers, Hendrix Experience was certainly a "psychedelic" band, and the effects of psychedelia over prog rock cannot be denied. I'd say "yes", to the extent that other bands are involved; so far Jefferson Airplane, Iron Butterfly and Beatles (despite all their poppines before '65) are here, so why not Jimi!?!? (also, why not for The Doors, The Who, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Grateful Dead, et al. either!) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 29 2006 at 16:07
Third!
(Se no habla Espanol; sorry )------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 05:58
So does "Band of Gypsies"!
. That album was also truly revolutionary ie: progressive and would deserve wider acceptance.Including Hendrix is "make, or brake" for the Archives reputation as a genuine Prog site - as opposed to a well designed website that promotes preferred Prog artists and Neo-Prog wannabees.
Not forgetting that the much accepted Prog-Metal wouldn't exist without the inspiration Hendrix provided. Still, no-one has been able to successfully copy him, only coming close at times.
Not likely to be Proto in that sense..., but the real article to this day.
Think about it...
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Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 06:22
I'd see nothing wrong with that, but please drop that offensive Proto crap... that was mainly designed for the inclusion of the Beatles. I will never agree with such humiliating description to a number of other leading artists.
Hendrix was and is still Prog. Not Proto bullsh*t! Blues aside....
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 06:46
| I wouldn't mind seeing Jimi Hendrix and also Cream in proto prog, as they both developed psychedelia, and thus evolved the birth of progressive rock. |
Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: November 04 2006 at 14:06
I am not sure if that's the case with you Phileas, but some people make an assessment on a "Best of" collection. Those are notoriously unrepresentative of an artist's true depth and tend focus on commercial success, ie: sales.
Hendrix provided inspiration to post-Beatles artists, offering a definitie psychedelic - and later more jazzy - flavour (Band of Gypsies), whilst he could play the Blues well, too. There is nothing wrong with that.
Many noted artists pay tribute to his legacy, Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report), John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (Deep Purple), The Kronos Quartet to name but a few.
Even Miles Davis was keen to record with him, only prevented by his untimely departure.
I am not one to talk you into Hendrix though, but you could be missing out...
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: November 06 2006 at 06:59
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^^Hendrix - Davis relationship is interesting, because Davis is said to have written the Mademoiselle Mabry track in Filles de Kilimanjaro album for Betty O. Mabry, who left him for Hendrix! Also, the same track is said to have quoted directly from Hendrix's "The Wind Cries Mary"... ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 09:57
hmmmm.... I think proto is the only possible valid reason to see Hendrix in... and that is a stretch as it is. He was a revolutionary guitarist of course but the music itself is simply not prog... or really that much of an influence on prog as a whole. His playing, and what he did for the guitar is reverered as it should be. Musically though... no way ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:15
I own just about everything Hendrix has done. And I don't believe there's enough Prog in there to justify his inclusion as Proto-Prog. |
Posted By: S Lang
Date Posted: November 09 2006 at 05:37
Pleased to hear, but why bother spending money on something inferior.....?
 To me, the Archives remains incomplete without the inclusion of Hendrix, Cream, etc. They did set the trend for Prog, as opposed to numerous Neo-Prog, Prog-Metal performers that are given undue prominence here, at the expense of genuine innovators.
I believe in "live and let live" and in that light, your dogged perseverence for exclusion is not very well received. I am sure that you could name a few that in your opinion don't belong here, but I don't recall such fierce opposition to them. Have I missed something?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 09 2006 at 05:44
He says that Hendrix played psychedelic music and psychedelic music influenced prog. He doesnt say that Hendrix started the "Prog movement". If you are unaware of Hendrix's influence on modern rock music,especially heavy rock,psych and guitar-based Prog,then maybe you need to do some research before making bold statements of disbelief. |