Åkerfeldt vs. Wilson
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Topic: Åkerfeldt vs. Wilson
Posted By: Open-Mind
Subject: Åkerfeldt vs. Wilson
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 08:40
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My vote goes to Steven Wilson.. What's your desicion? ------------- "I'm on a roll, I'm on a roll this time, I feel my luck could change.. " |
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:05
Mikael Åkerfeldt for the win! 
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:14
| Steve Wilson as a song writer, Mikael Åkerfeldt as a vocalist/guitarist. I can't choose between them, really. |
Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:24
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Åkerfeldt! He is, simply put, my favorite songwriter of all time. Always has been. ------------- 
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:33
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Åkerfeldt. (how do you pronounce it?) I repesect Mr.Wilson's work, but I never really got into PT and found him to be really arrogant in all the interviews I've read.
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:43
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Akerfeldt is better in all the aspects. (Technical (playing guitar, both electric and acoustic), like composer, singing, it's emotionally depper...). Maybe Wilson wins producing albums ;) ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:52
You pronounce it Awker-felt.
Can't wait untill their collaboration with Portnoy goes underway.  -------------
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MajesterX wrote:Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:52
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Wilson is the Bee's knees
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 10:37
| Though both are excellent musicians, songwriters and vocalists, I vote for Akerfeldt. His style suits my tastes more. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 10:39
I'd say Oh is closer to the correct pronounciation of Å than Aw is. |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 13:22
I mix the "Aw" and "Oh."
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Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 13:42
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Wow this is a tough poll considering these two are the heads of my favorite prog band (PT) and my favorite prog-metal band (Opeth).
I'd take Wilson as a producer anyday, but as for songwriting, guitar playing, and vocals Akerfeldt wins hands down. ------------- When the world is sick Can't no one be well But I dreamt we were all beautiful and strong 
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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 15:30
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Åkerfeldt
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 15:38
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Never been a huge Wilson fan, but I love Akerfeldt so pretty easy. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:14
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Danger! Danger! My "linguist's sixth sense" went off when I saw those previous posts trying to describe how to pronounce "Åkerfeldt" using English orthography, which has always been notoriously inconsistent! According to Wikipedia, the Swedish Å is pronounced [o:], similar to the vowel sound in toe. Does this sound right to you Swedish speakers? Anyway, I go with SWilson. Just too prolific to be ignored. ------------- 
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 16:47
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One is an asshole, one is a fan favorite. They both know how to make good music. -------------  
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:12
I guess the asshole would be the British of the two, right ?
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 17:49
You probably win. You're Swedish  -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 20:27
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You guys are nuts! But there's certainly no doubt that Mikael is an infinitely more gifted musician than myself. As for being an asshole, well maybe - what's the evidence, I'm curious?  SW |
Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 21:31
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Steve. Love his production. Love his voice. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 21:35
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I voted Wilson since I like his music better, even though I like Opeth. I hate Wilson's personality, however, but I wouldn't let that dictate my vote.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 21:40
Bloody hell!! That's nice! When did we meet exactly? SW |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:38
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Wilson, cause Wilson's voice and musical talents are superb. Saying I like Mikael better because Wilson's personality isn't good is me saying I hate King Crimson and Robert Fripp.
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:40
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:42
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He's real Wilson, Mike.... Steve: those who don't like you are Flower Kings fanboys who didn't like your comments on Stolt  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:43
I'm not a fanboy, I just find it wrong to insult musicians simply because they have a different approach. -------------
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:50
As much as I respect Mikael's work, it is Steve Wilson all the way for me - a true musical genius. [so speaks a fangirl].  ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:51
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BTW I voted for Wilson as well, Opeth are good but a bit too heavy and get kind of repetitive after a while - PT's best albums don't get boring.
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Posted By: Supertwister
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:52
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Mikael Åkerfeldt. Tough decision, I really like both of them, and the odds are against Steve Wilson because I have more of Opeth than Porcupine Tree or any of Steve Wilson's other material.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 22:53
Agreed
I love all those crappy bands he named like TransAtlantic, Spock's Beard, the Tangent and the Flower Kings.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:16
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[/QUOTE] I just find it wrong to insult musicians simply because they have a different approach. [/QUOTE] In fact I spoke with Roine about this, and apologised - my comments about these bands was borne out of frustration with certain jounalists trying to lump us into some kind of "neo-prog" movement. And frankly it's just not my kind of music. Of course it's true that it's an ugly thing to criticise other musicians, but I don't think there's any musician on the planet that has not at some time been critical of their contempories in the press (including Mikael A). Many times I have had to eat humble pie with the guys from Dream Theater because I've had to come clean in the press and say I don't really dig their music (and these guys are my friends!) SW |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:19
Fanboy or not, an asshole is an asshole.
Anyone that takes it upon themselves to insult a band that features Mike Portnoy is an asshole. Mike would never say a bad word about anyone. Apparently being a member of Transatlantic means you shouldn't be treated as nice as you are. Steven Wilson apparently does say bad words about others. It was this same nasty individual that was unplugged by Yes, and I don't think it's because they thought his band was playing to long. This same individual also said that it's to Tool's credit that it's O.K. to play prog again. I have a question for this individual, since when was it not O.K. for a musician to play any music other than the kind he wants to? When was it not O.K. for musicians who want to play Prog of play Prog?
I don't have any respect for any musician as talented as they may be to go out and give an interview where they insult another band, musician, or genre that they don't particularly like. It's not professional of them at all.
EDIT: If Roine Stolt plays Neo Prog, I'd like to know just how his projects sound like Jadis or Pendragon. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:29
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Other people (serious musicians) probably don't spend too much time worrying about exact labels, Vince, unlike us. And it is often a very fine line between modern symphonic prog and modern neo-prog. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:36
I just find it wrong to insult musicians simply because they have a different approach. [/QUOTE] In fact I spoke with Roine about this, and apologised - my comments about these bands was borne out of frustration with certain jounalists trying to lump us into some kind of "neo-prog" movement. And frankly it's just not my kind of music. Of course it's true that it's an ugly thing to criticise other musicians, but I don't think there's any musician on the planet that has not at some time been critical of their contempories in the press (including Mikael A). Many times I have had to eat humble pie with the guys from Dream Theater because I've had to come clean in the press and say I don't really dig their music (and these guys are my friends!) SW [/QUOTE] Tlossy - I think that SW has made a valid statement here and though we hate seeing bands criticised by other artists, it is as SW infers a practice that occurs regularly. In fact SW has had to take a lot of flak from prog music fans as well as other musicians. If the criticism was extreme then I am sure SW and DT would no longer be friends. Everyone has a right to express an opinion whether it is something we like or don't want to hear. That is part of being fortunate to have democracy as a standard on this forum. I think criticsm should not be taken personally but used as vehicle of learning and from there we should move on with a new lessons "under our belts". Cheers -------------
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:39
Hold up here. I understand why you might get offended by things musicians say under stress. For example. I've seen interviews where Daniel Gildenlow (Daniel Gildenlow is amazingly humble, we all know it) has come off as arrogant. Obviously Wilson is on good terms with Portnoy, as they are doing a side project with them two and Akerfeldt (which should be awesome). You can't judge a person on a couple things they say. May have been a bad day, a stressful concert, whatever. Stuff happens. Whether Wilson is an asshole or not should only be decided if you know him...which you don't. Stop acting like a hungry politician looking to pick apart an opponent. Leave the crow's work to crows. Hehe, I just noticed my top played artists on my list. Glad I look like a fanboy now and all. That's cool. =( Oh, by the way, I actually voted Akerfeldt, hehe. Mostly for sheer versatility. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:42
I completely understand personal opinions, I hope people still have them. If Steven Wilson doesn't like Transatlantic or Dream Theater that's just fine with me. My problem is that it was unprofessional as a musician to say statements like he did about Transatantic and their genre. Musicians from the international to local levels are always going to have opinions on other bands and genres, that's cool on a personal level, but to publish those opinions should be sickening to a fan of any kind of music.
Gary Holt did a very similar thing in an interview dissing on EMO. Do I like EMO, no not one bit, but I still find it unprofessional to insult another musician or music genre in a published interview. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:48
You can consider it unprofessional, but it will only be speculation until you're in the position of being asked what you think of such and such band/musical movement. And if a musician says they don't like another musician in a published interview, who would actually find such a thing "sickening?" Perhaps distateful and "unprofessional"--whatever that means anyway--but sickening? Nah. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:52
I just find it wrong to insult musicians simply because they have a different approach. [/QUOTE] In fact I spoke with Roine about this, and apologised - my comments about these bands was borne out of frustration with certain jounalists trying to lump us into some kind of "neo-prog" movement. And frankly it's just not my kind of music. Of course it's true that it's an ugly thing to criticise other musicians, but I don't think there's any musician on the planet that has not at some time been critical of their contempories in the press (including Mikael A). Many times I have had to eat humble pie with the guys from Dream Theater because I've had to come clean in the press and say I don't really dig their music (and these guys are my friends!) SW [/QUOTE] I'm sure all the Dream Theater Fan boys here just love that.......................
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:54
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As unprofessional as it may be, what do you say if you are asked a direct question like, what is your opinion on rap music? It's really tough to get around that kind of a question without stating how you really feel, unless of course you lie about it. Personally, I will try to be as nice as possible, but I'm not going to lie about something in order to be "professional". Being professional is more than just not saying bad things about others, and I'll be damned if the definition of professional is to "lie about everything in public so as not to offend anyone" Just some food for thought. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:55
^ That's what I was saying, but you put it in better words.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 08 2006 at 23:57
I feel like bashing my head against the wall multiple times for starting this sh*t.  -------------
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:01
Why, if it is in fact Steve Wilson, you have started a great thread that ultimatly involed the actual musician in question. I would say that's not too shabby.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:03
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Come on, Mike. We haven't had a really good discussion in awhile. At least not one about DT. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:03
He could have responded in a much better way than he did. He could have said "I don't enjoy that genre of music" rather than what he did which was along the lines of how they were ripping off of '70s bands and they will never plays that music as well as the older bands did and etc. That was just a terribly unprofessional response.
I'll say it again loud and clear.
I HAVE RESPECT FOR OPINIONS, I HAVE RESPECT FOR TASTE, BUT I DON'T HAVE RESPECT FOR A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN GOING INTO DETAIL INSULTING THE EFFORTS OF ANOTHER BAND!!!!
Given my current mood swing of anti-Dream-Theater- loving on this forum lately, that didn't make me feel any better. I'd like to eat some humble pie with DT though. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:08
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With all this professional and unprofessional talk, Vince, it seems like you hold SW to a higer standard than ordinary people. Is this true? If so, why does is matter? People are people, and I'd not necessarily respect, but admire a musician willing to speak his mind rather than just smile and say, "Well this band is just fine." or "I have no opinion on this matter." ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:14
I don't know, it is funny in a silly kind of way. They, that being DT are getting quite a few bits lately.
It's got to be good for album sales, at least as a result of this site anyway.
I'm pushing TFTO while I'm at it. All fans of prog should own a copy as they should own a copy of Images and Words.
I do agree that opinions on the professional stage should stay withing the boundaries of respect, but we are talking show business here. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:15
Am I holding him to a higher standard than ordinary people? Yes I am. Am I holding him to a higher standard than any other musician, no I'm not. I think it's terrible when a musician puts down the work of another?
I don't think you understand just how much work it takes for any musician to make any kind of album Stony. There's just so much that has to go into it. For someone who hasn't sat in a recording studio and a rehearsel space day in and day out to get a perfect result, it's impossible to understand how frustrating of a battle it is.
Other people and fans of music have all the right to criticize it. A musician on the other hand, one who's been through such a struggle should understand just how insulting it is to say to another musician "you can't do this as good as they did". That's pretty much saying, you put your heart and soul into recording a masterpice, but I think it's anything but that. You'll never be what you want to be and that's just fine with me.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:20
Well thanks for clearing that up. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 00:24
Life as a musician can be a bitch and just think of all the bad blood that's been exchanged over the years between band members etc etc. It's a nasty business. I have been there, got the T shirt.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 04:44
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I think both musicians are excellent, though i voted for steve w as i've not been into opeth that long, they're a different animal really. BTW welcome to the ruff'n'tumble of PA Steven !!!
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 09:46
..Except Geoff Tate... But other than that he's really nice for being so all-over-the-place and busy. He answers tons of fan questions and gives frequent news on his forum.
It DOES matter. The average person does not have hordes of fans and followers who look upon them as role-models such that they will listen to every word the person says and take it for truth. What do you think the average person will believe more- your friend's cousin's aunt's opinion, or your idol's opinion who you are obessed over? Does it matter whose opinion matters more now? -------------
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:11
I had to have a good laugh when I read this. Who would have thought that Steve Wilson would get involved in this thread.I hope Steve Wilson comes back to the forum and it wasn't just a one off. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 10:23
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Oh my god! SW was here? My hero! Hehe... -------------
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 11:11
So who did you vote for then? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 11:15
A musician releasing an album is a TARGET to criticism and opinions, and that criticism can and will come from anywhere, wether you like it or not. If a musician is unable to cope with the feedback he receives about his work, be it from the press, fans or other musicians, then he might as well record music for himself and never release anything. Nobody can please everyone, especially in music.
As a musician myself I have dealt with some frustrations about other people's opinions towards my music. In a local radio interview, the show host compared us, on the air, to Evanescence, while our style is more of something like an improbable cross of many elements and influences such as Opeth, PT, The Cranberries, etc. Why ? Because we have a metal edge and a female lead singer, and that was the only comparison he could come up with (radio show hosts in and around Montreal are definitely not in it for the music, let me tell you that!!!). Not being an Evanescence fan, needless to say I found his remark dreadful, but in his mind he was being kind to us. That served as a lesson. You have absolutely NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER about what people will say about your music. The only control you can have is how you react to what is being said.
Peace to all !
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 11:58
Unfortunately many musicians put their image into their recording rather than their heart and soul. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 12:17
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>Anyone that takes it upon themselves to insult a band that features Mike Portnoy is an asshole. Why? Because you are fan you can't accept that someone else may not find his work so wonderful? It's admirable that you feel your righteousness so strongly, but are we not all free to express an opinion about music that we don't care for? >Mike would never say a bad word about anyone. Well he is a friend of mine, and I can tell you that he certainly does! >This same individual also said that it's to Tool's credit that it's O.K. to play prog again. I have a >question for this individual, since when was it not O.K. for a musician to play any music other than >the kind he wants to? When was it not O.K. for musicians who want to play Prog of play Prog? You take me out of context - the point was that the media have accepted progressive rock again since bands like Tool, Radiohead, Muse, and The Mars Volta have made it "cool" again. In that sense it's "OK" to play progressive music again from a media perspective. I've been playing progressive influenced music for 20 years so you aren't seriously suggesting that it took a band like Tool to come along before I could make music that I wanted to? That would be absurd. >I don't have any respect for any musician as talented as they may be to go out and give an interview >where they insult another band, musician, or genre that they don't particularly like. It's not >professional of them at all.
OK - I have a question. It's not OK for me to criticize other musicians - and we all accept that I was wrong to do that - but it's OK for you to criticise other musicians in this public forum as a reviewer? Here's a few choice comments from your review of Death's Leprosy album: "This is a terrible album" "Schuldiner writes the majority of the juvenile riffs throughout this album." "The production is awful, no clarity, no definition, but a bunch of distortion that fits the attitude of the music." "this album is a waste of money in any collection." I guess you think it's OK for you to say these things because quite clearly you are right about this (nonone could possibly have an alternate opinion) and I'm wrong about Transatlantic. I fail to see the difference, although of course I'm not excusing my comments, which I concede were regrettable. The thing is that I (like you) am extremely paissionate about music, and in my interviews I am passionately opinionated in my views, both positive and negative. If I could charachterise my conversation with a journalist as being like an enthused discussion about music (the kind I'm sure you have had a hunderd times with your friends, where something may be a masterpiece, and something else may suck), then perhaps you will start to understand how these statements find their way into the press and appear 100 times worse then they might otherwise. In fact my statement that Yes have been sh*t since the seventies I pretty much standby (and I've heard the same sentiments many times from many progressive fans), and the reason it was said with such passion was because as fan I absoultely ADORE their seventies work (in fact recently in a major interrview I conterversially named the criminally under-rated Tales From Topographic Oceans as one of the top 20 UK albums of all time) and I feel quite irate about the lack of quality of their subsequent work. By the way Yes didn't even talk to eachother on that tour - it was very sad to see. One final thing: although I've been very opinionated in my many interviews over the years, I don't think I've ever made a personal insult against anyone, as you have done to me, no matter how much I dissed their music. S |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 12:48
No that's not the case at all. I've repeatedly said in this thread that I respect everyone has different taste, but I can't respect another musician saying something like this about Mike Portnoy. He in his personal life of course will say a bad word about someone, but he's not going to hold an interview and say anything close to what you said about Transatlantic.
"And I think that bands such as the Mars Volta, Radiohead, Sigur Ros, and Tool have made it okay to use the word ‘progressive’ again. It isn’t the kiss of death it might have been a few years ago. "- Steven Wilson
That bit is from an interview in Guitar Player magazine. (July 2005)
http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=2&storycode=9219 - http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=2&storycode=9219
You didn't specifically mention anything about media perspective in that interview, which is the one I was referring to. By "kiss of death" do you mean the media? Or do you mean being "progressive" means that you half an hour long
You have also been talking out of both sides of your mouth about how PT is "progressive".
" I can't really answer this question as PT has always tried to avoid any generic classification " "we make "porcupine tree" music, I guess. These days I'm not really sure I know what "progressive" means"
that's from a Progarchives interview.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14590&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14590&PN=1
"Progressive rock is a big part of Porcupine Tree,”
that's from Guitar Player again.
http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=2&storycode=9219 - http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=2&storycode=9219
I'm not giving an interview as an acclaimed musician, you are. I don't think it's fair to compare someone who is a music reviewer, to a working musician. The two have completely different functions. As I've said before, I respect that you have strong opinions on music, but I don't respect that you willing bash another musician in a published interivew. If you want to bash another musician in a publication, why not become a reviewer?
I apologize for my earlier comment
 , I should have posted in a much more mature manner than I did. It's not fair to say you're an asshole. However, I don't always approve of the manner you express your personal opinions.-------------
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Posted By: Zweck
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 13:18
| AtLossForWords: I don't know about you, but I tend to contradict myself quite often, depending on how much I can be bothered to make explain something clearly, how I'm feeling that day, what I've been thinking of lately, only when I do it it doesn't get documented when I do it. When you're doing interviews(Not to mention MANY interviews) these sort of things will come out much clearer. As long as you're human, and as such in motion, you'll be quite hard pressed to be consistent all the way through life. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 13:22
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>"And I think that bands such as the Mars Volta, Radiohead, Sigur Ros, and Tool have made it okay to >use the word ‘progressive’ again. It isn’t the kiss of death it might have been a few years ago. "- >Steven Wilson
>You didn't specifically mention anything about media perspective in that interview, which is the one >I was referring to. By "kiss of death" do you mean the media?
Yes, abolutely. It's always been OK with me to play whatever music you want. The problem is purely one of public and media perception. >You have also been talking out of both sides of your mouth about how PT is "progressive".
>" I can't really answer this question as PT has always tried to avoid any generic >classification " "we make "porcupine tree" music, I guess. These days I'm not really >sure I know what "progressive" means" >"Progressive rock is a big part of Porcupine Tree,”
>I'm not giving an interview as an acclaimed musician, you are. I don't think it's fair to compare >someone who is a music reviewer, to a working musician. The two have completely different >functions. As I've said before, I respect that you have strong opinions on music, but I don't respect >that you willing bash another musician in a published interivew. If you want to bash another >musician in a publication, why not become a reviewer?
Here's one for you....I F***ING HATE THE RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS!!!! And you can quote me on that.... SW |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 13:33
Thanks for clearing that up, Steve. I'm not a publically critiqued and interviewed musician, so unfortunately I don't quite understand how the media needs to be handled. I'll make sure that I take more into account than just the man's words in the future.
"Here's one for you....I F***ING HATE THE RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS!!!!"
 Yes Steve, I do hold the muscian's opinion higher than those of reviewers. Most reviewers have no idea about not only the musical element of music, but also the expressive and the laborous parts of music. Not many reviewers are ever going to understand just how laborous it is to work on new matierial in a rehearsel space, or find a new dimension of playing matierial in a recording studio. It's bloody hard to groove to an incomplete recording in the studio when you can't see the drummer hitting his damn cymbals.
I've no doubt said some hurtful things in reviews I've posted here, but that's part of the reason people read them. I say some good things about many musicians too, and it's likely that someone else has said the complete opposite of what I have.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:03
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I've enjoyed the discussion greatly, really. Any musician that believes in what they do and has spent years struggling to acheive it (nearly 20 years now), is of course going to come across from time to time as defensive and arrogant, but then "bigging up the Tree" is part of my job when I'm doing press. I do believe that PT have acheived a unique sound and approach to our music, but I'm also not blind to the fact that this doesn't make it better, and leaves many people cold. But it's exactly as I want it to be, and that's the most important thing. S PS - PAIN OF SALVATION?????? Shhhhhhhiiiiiiiite! No actually I never heard them, just kidding... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:03
Here's how the (music)Press works Vince:
Would be reported as "Prog Reviewer admits to worshipping musicians..."
"The same reviewer admitted that most of his reviews were hatchet jobs and that he hates musicians.." The Press always tell the truth.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:05
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:06
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Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:08
Oh god, I second that with all my heart. Here's to hoping Scarsick won't be too concept heavy. I doubt it, judging from what I've heard, but still. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists">
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:09
Maybe your puny Neo-Prog specialist mind simply cannot digest the concept? -------------
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:10
It should be a good album, but I think that if it has another concept in the vein of BE (I mean, Gildenlow has come up with much better)...  -------------
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:10
Have they finally released details on it? PoS are really sparse on detail it seems (they never update their website). -------------
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:11
Maybe I can, but it's essentially the equivalent (as I told stonebeard last night) of Gildenlow taking a pair of tweezers and pulling out each individual hair on his ass. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:12
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^ I'm still thinking of how to....tactfully describe that concept.
Which reminds me:
New PoS, Marillion, and possibly Porcupine Tree albums in 2007!
If IQ manage to release a new album before the year is over I'll be in heaven.  Edit: Can't forget Rush!!!  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:14
Should be a fantastic year, with maybe a couple of live shows to see as well (Rush definitely, but hopefully Marillion will come out here, they did with the Marbles tour).  -------------
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:15
Yet the concept is so deep that it makes all those other more "realistic" concepts look very narrow and just plain weak. The concept that would please Cyggie would be a plain and emotional one (ala Remedy Lane). One of the weakest PoS concepts and the content is all too one-sided 
Hopefully Scarsick isn't like that. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:15
I doubt they'll stop in my city, but I'm willing to drive to Chicago, Lansing, Cleveland, or Indianapolis...essentially a 200-mile radius from here. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:17
I'm excited about the new PoS and PT albums (I love In Absentia and Deadwing). IQ and Rush, well lets just say I can forget about them. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:19
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You better turn around and start walking out of here before things get ugly, Mike. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:20
Hey, that's not true, I love a lot of concept albums, in fact my favorite album is a concept album. Some concept albums I really enjoyed: The Who- Quadrophenia The Who- Tommy Frank Zappa- Joe's Garage Ayreon- The Human Equation Dream Theater- Scenes from a Memory Marilllion- Misplaced Childhood Marillion- Brave I just don't want some obtuse concept about how God is unsure of itself (not going to get in a religious discussion about if God is a he or a she) and made humans to be in that image, it's all a little too cryptic for me. I think the album is good, but the concept is what killed it for me. -------------
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Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:21
Remedy Lane, one sided? Please.  True, it deals with the torment of one person, and BE is very complicated. Be does have a good concept, but Gildenlow seems to have forgotten about making good music in the process. It's practically 75% concept, 25% music.------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists">
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:21
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New Rush is just not good, they should think about trying to write more 10 minute songs than boring 5 minute pop songs.
IQ, on the other hand, is growing. One of my favorite Neo-Prog bands. |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:23
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Some of the music tracks on BE are really amazing and different. The tracks that are there for the concept really hurt the album. BE DVD > BE CD -------------
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:24
New Rush isn't the best out there, but they're trying and that's really all that counts. And they are comfortable where they are at musically and I don't think they plan on returning to the 10 minute Sci-Fi vibe they went for in the late 70s ever again, but it would be nice. -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:25
| Steve, if you're still reading - I'm steadily accumulating the PT catalog, just bought the Stupid Dream reissue along with Signfiy (already own In Absentia and Deadwing) - it's all fantastic, thanks for all the great music. I'll try to catch the show at the Keswick in October. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:37
As if Micky was not enough, there's more people dissing Rush around here... Anyway, who says that 10-minute songs are better than 5-minute ones? DT are proof enough of the untruth of this statement... *rushes for flame shield* Then, I don't really think that the songs on "Vapor Trails" have much to do with pop. Perhaps Rush did some poppier tracks in the past, but their new direction seems rather different to me. Then again, perhaps it's just the fangirl in me speaking... |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:39
I wasn't bashing them, Raffaella, I was just stating what I feel is the current situation with the band. While I don't think Vapor Trails is the greatest album ever, it had more than enough great moments to make me give it a steady rotation in my cd player. Still, wouldn't it be awesome for a sequel to Hemispheres or a wild instrumental like La Villa to pop up randomly on their next album? -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:44
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It wasn't you bashing Rush, Cyggie, it was Flossy... And I agree with you on all counts!
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:44
The music that is available on that album owns anything on Remedy Lane. Remedy Lane does have its moments, its just overrated and very dull compared to other PoS releases. Only Entropia is weaker IMO. I agree with Bluesaga, The BE DVD does own the BE studio album. Gildenlow's presence is just too heavy in the dvd to forget about it 
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:46
Rush has always been about trying out new approaches to their music, and that is the key to their longevity ; fans wondering "What's next?". Even though I really enjoy ALL their albums except TfE, which still has it's moments (the fanboy in me had to scream this
) and especially the late 70's early 80's period, I would not want them to do that all over again... but if they did, I have to admit I would be really happy ! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:46
On the other hand, I can't stand new Rush, because Geddy's voice is mellowier and I liked the heavier Geddy. Plus I don't think new Rush is even good pop. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:47
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New Rush isn't pop, Flossy!
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:49
Yea, but its pretty much poop. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:50
Not really. -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:55
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Tony, where are you when you are needed?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 14:58
Well I could be on gigolo duty if you asked nicely... ....
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:04
Second that regarding the DVDs. The studio however...  ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:04
BTW... Aren't we going hugely OT in this thread? |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:06
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:09
What the heck do you mean by that?!?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:09
Well what's there to argue about? SW is a seriously talented musician,singer,composer,producer,and lyricist.....and Akelfeld has a singing style designed to clear all wildlife off the nearest 40 acres. Rush are the most talented bunch of musicians in the world,continue to release wonderfully progressive albums and those who dont agree will get Terminated. And for a fee I am willing to accompany ladies "of a certain age" Ok?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:17
"Ladies of a certain age..." hmm... I think we are about the same age, but as usual there's prejudice against women who are not 20 any more... Luckily enough, I don't need to be "accompanied" at present... and I'll stop at that! |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: August 09 2006 at 15:28
All a matter of opinion. I like Entropia a lot, it's my third favorite PoS release. So schizophrenic and awesome. I do agree that the BE DVD is amazing, though. Like I said, it's all opinions. I happen to love Remedy Lane, and hate BE. Woo. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists">
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