*vomits* just watched The Wall
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Topic: *vomits* just watched The Wall
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Subject: *vomits* just watched The Wall
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:01
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That was probably the worst movie I have ever seen. This is now officially my most disliked album, I never did like it (its not JUST because of the movie), but this film, and now seeing what it is all about, and how Floyd chose to portray it....dear god, unbelieveable.
Does anyone else have any insight on this film? I am interested in hearing some more review. I find this an appauling film that disgraces the prog name, and the Floyd name at that. Was david gilmour even behind this album/film whole-heartedly? I would hope not, he can do much better. -------------  "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:03
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well, I love it. that's that, I guess. Not much, but enough.
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:04
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its not the best Floyd album. The movie is pretty horrible too. |
Posted By: mecca
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:07
| Yeah, it's pretty bad. The only parts that I liked were the cartoon parts, but those only lasted a tiny bit. But they were interesting. Rest of it was boring, IMO. |
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:11
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Yeah, i will give the cartoon parts the edge...animation is always fun to watch.
But wow...can anyone even think of a more horrible music/film? I cant...STrawbs Grave New World film was a thousand times better than this, and thats BARELY a film! ------------- "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:22
I love it too. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Ricochet wrote:Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:22
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About the music, I can think of things so much worser, I'd make out a whole catalogue. Pink Floyd would have at least 5-6 projects below The Wall, as music. The interpretation of the album into a movie is indeed tad decreptive, still also the movie lives to a standard. I believe that ultimately the challenge resumes not to *vomitting* or *cheering*, but to having or not an affinity towards that or, even more, of understanding it or not. -------------
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:27
The album isn't that bad, it has some classic Floyd songs. The Movie isn't vomite material though. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:31
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im just voicing an opinion i dont mean to offend...i am just interested in hearing how people feel also.
I do believe i understand the movie, I understand the premise, and I personally find the only meaningful part of this time in Floyd are the roger waters sentimental songs about his father. This is why I found the final cut alot more enjoyable than The Wall.
I just found this movie extremely appauling, I was in pain sitting through it, but I felt I had to give it a chance...hoping for that spark. Never came, just an abrupt ending to a ridiculous film for a truly mediocre album.
Floyds Best: Atom Heart, Meddle, Animals, wish you were here ------------- "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:36
I see what you mean, there are a lot of other movies/CD's I would rather listen to/ watch -------------
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Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:40
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lol...if only a had some friends over here with me we would start making fun of it or something to pass the time, rather I had to sit here alone, and in pain!
I feel bad saying it, but this really is the only movie...ever...that has caused me physical illness due to over the top dissapointment and disturbing image after disturbing image after awful song after awful song.
Its like it was almost made to make you sick...that is if your like me and dont see the "greatness" in this album. ------------- "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:49
Music: 
Movie:
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 01:51
If you don't like the album why did you watch the movie?
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Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 02:12
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Well, I actually was not completely firmiliar with the album because I could never give it a chance because what I heard, i disliked. SO i listened one or two times last week to try and get a feel, and just was paying half attention and whatever...figured I would watch the movie hoping it would be more prog related experience straight to me, turned out to be a gay 80's extravaganza.
I heard alot of cool things about it, the movie looked cool on the outside, thats my reasoning, thought it would help me enjoy the album more.
Complete failure. ------------- "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 02:13
| Oh I see. I personally like some of the songs a lot, but some of them are quite bad. A very uneven album for me. Haven't seen the movie though. |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 02:14
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The MOVIE IS FANTASTIC (IMO) and for me its much better than the album, you can undestand more details with the movie. ------------- 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 03:00
| The album is great, but the movie is even better. I'd rate it five stars without a doubt. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 03:24
The music is very dark and offers no hope.The film just picked up on that although giving the lead role to Geldof was always a very dubious thing to do IMO.Should have picked an actor.I havn't seen the film for a long time though.Might be interesting to see it again.I'd suspect the film was meant to be like Clockwork Orange but failed...mainly becaue Malcom McDowell v Bob Geldof is no 'contest'
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 03:35
I endorse your opinion completely (though you never realised I was a woman before a few days ago...  ). I saw the film when it was first released, but I have never really wanted to watch it again, as some scenes were a bit too strong for my delicate sensibilities (you know, being a lady and all that... ). I also agree that Geldof was not the best choice as a protagonist, though at the time he was hot property because of the Live Aid thing.That said, I love the album, especially as I was so lucky as to witness it performed by the band in 1980 at London's Earls Court. It may be uneven and all that, and it's undeniably dark and depressing - however, it contains some of the strongest ever PF songs, notably the perhaps overplayed but never overrated "Comfortably Numb". |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 04:09
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I really enjoy the cartoon parts of the movie. The different versions of the songs also is very nice in the movie, The Wall will always have a special place for me as it is my first prog album. I enjoy the movie because it makes the album make sense, but the acting is pretty bad. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 06:03
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Saw the movie around ten times when it came out in the early 80's >> it was playing for years in second run movies theatres along with Rocky horror the Zep movie and others.
Quite an excellent movie if you ask me. I bought the DVd two years ago and saw it twice since.
Waters went off the deep end (the story line I think is about Syd and his fears at the powers of rock stars).
He wrote this story after realizing the horror of him spitting at a fan in a Montreal concert as the fan was trying to climb on stage in adoration. He was so sick of his own attitude that he wrote the story about how rock stars could actually become political dangers. I think that spitting incidents actually sparked his paranoia and the few years to come
Although I agree that Geldoff was a dubious choice and the movie has him singing the Pink vocals.
Not the best Floyd album but still an incredible moment.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 09:56
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I like the movie, but then again I like wierd psychedelic movies. The goal was clearly to be as weird as possible and not really focus on the story as much as all the weirdo meanings behind everything. I don't watch it regularly, but if im in the mood for something outlandishly strange I don't mind it. I kinda feel this same way about the movie version of the Who's Tommy. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 11:56
I don't know about you, but I was laughing my ass off the whole time, but then again, maybe I'm just sick I found it had its dull moments and its good moments; the end was insane (Comfortably Numb on out) but I didn't understand why they left out "Hey You". Or maybe I just missed it.
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Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 12:34
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The ending almost ruined comfortably numb for me...I had to watch live at pompeii to see how awesome gilmour was after that.
I dont think gilmour was behind this album, nor film. ------------- "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 12:44
I think you missed it. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 12:58
Most people know that The Wall was a Roger Waters thing ... that's very old news. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:07
Goddamn DVD version....  -------------
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:10
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I think itīs an incredible film, Alan Parker did a brilliant job. Itīs also my favourite Floyd album.(although it is very depressing)
Slightly off topic, there is another great film called "Jacobīs Ladder" which reminds me a lot of The Wall.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:12
It's not on the DVD version?  |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:24
I very much appreciate the endorsement,especially coming as it does from the intelligent half of the human species.
 btw I've always like The Wall and played it an awfull lot when I was 20ish.The lyrics made a lot of sense at the time to me..I could relate strongly.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:27
Yay, somebody that agrees Yeah, my worst purchase ever, an utterly dreadful movie and easily my least favorite PF album. No beauty left like in early albums some cheap commercial pop rock wit meaningless filler in between and only two good songs(Hey You and Comfortably Numb) Hey You not even being in the movie. Not that id'd be any better if it was there though. 20 bucks down the toilet, I sold it the next day. Uggh. I thought it was really really horrible. Live At Pompeii, on the other hand...   ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:29
| Is it really true that Hey You wasn't in the movie? |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:38
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I like the album. I'm apathetic toward the movie.
This is kind of the same case as making a movie out of a novel: it never, never, never measures up to the source material.
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 17:20
From Urick's excellent analysis
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 18:00
I think I've seen The Wall three times and I've never noticed that Hey You isn't there.  However, that doesn't make the movie any less a masterpiece.
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Posted By: mecca
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:02
| If the whole thing was animation/cartoon, it would be awesome. Definitely not the best Pink Floyd album, but I absolutely loved the cartoon parts... |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 02:39
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Track listing
1. In the Flesh? does that answer the hey you question?
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7698 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=7698 ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 04:55
Had you read my post both of you would have the answer:
Hey you was recorded , put to images , but never shown with the movie.
Either in the 80's (I'm certain of this since Hey You is my fave track and I noticed it right away), nor in the DVD movie
However it was included in the bonus and they discuss it in the interviews.
A bunch of excellent interviews too and very worthy other bonus tracks. Read my review on it.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 05:53
| I don't like the album, but the movie is top notch in my opinion. Maybe not for the fans of Star Wars movies, but people with an appetite for art movies should check out it. |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 08:05
Well, no because that list is incorrect. I believe The Show Must Go On was also omitted from the film soundtrack, but When The Tigers Broke Free was certainly there! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 12:36
Qualified agreement from me on this one - even though the live shows were spectacularly good (as the live album testifies), I have to say, I'm not a big fan of the studio album, and I cannot abide the movie. I believe Roger Waters is of the same opinion, too - the figure on the back cover of "The Final Cut" is (apparently) supposed to be Roger Waters's father, stabbed in the back by Alan Parker (which is why he is carrying a film canister) ------------- 
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Posted By: N Ellingworth
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 14:31
| I really like the movie, yes it isn't the best produced film ever but it does portray the concept behind the album very well and Gerald Scarfes animation is some of the best I have ever seen. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 14:47
I enjoyed it as an overlong series of music videos. I love the album, and the movie is mediocre... It certainly doesn't make me retch. I like the dystopian themes. What's so gay about it? Do you say that that because it's style over substance (as was common in the 80's -- god that was a lame decade as I recall)? Fashion! There is something very campy about the film. A Queer aesthetic. It's the fashion-sense, the uniforms, and some of the imagery. I wondered if part of the idea behind Bob Geldoff's character was creating an angry, ambiguously gay man. I felt that may have been part of the character background and motivation (both from the movie and album -- he is a mama's boy at heart, and reacts badly to women. Well, partially he reacts badly due to a love/hate relationship with his mother... Some king of an Oedipus complex maybe). But hey, you can't have Floyd without the Pink. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 15:46
| I remember very well that I watched the The Wall movie in the cinema when it was just released: I was very impressed by the dark atmosphere and the emotional scenes but I missed live footage although the Gerarld Scarge cartoons were mindblowing. If I look back at this movie after all those years I still love it but it's a pity that the big ego's Roger Waters and Alan Parker clashed, if they had behaved more as adults their shared creative minds would have made the The Wall movie to a classic. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 16:55
Which is the _point_. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 21:08
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Well I have a soft spot for the movie, even if I think it's entirely overwrought and "obvious". It was once a rite of passage to see this movie at least once, at least in my circle of friends. It was also one of those "man, you've got to see this on acid" things that seemed cool at the time. Personally, I never thought it was a good "acid movie" as it's entirely too heavy and disturbing for that state of mind. Pompeii on the other hand...
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 07:19
So do I - it's a bog in southern Ireland -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 09:29
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Personally I put The Wall in my top ten movies. It really brought the colors and moods of the album to life as well as adding entire new dimensions to certain songs like "In The Flesh". The scene were Pink screams "I'd have alll of ya shot" and the crowd cheers is just chilling.
Obviously if you don't like the album you won't like the movie so don't waste your time and then complain when you didn't enjoy it. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 10:07
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Well it is all a matter of opinion ofcourse, and thats all that I am saying...i guess the wall is for some, and not for others.
But one thing is for sure, it certainly makes "going for the one" the most brilliant later album of the 70's by YES! ------------- "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 12:10
You obviously have bigger problems than not liking the movie if you think Going For The One is better than The Wall ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 12:41
Mate......I think you need to reassess your comparisons..Grave New World to The Wall????? The Wall may appear dated as a film nowadays but most movies do date. Musically it is pure genius!
You might as well compare John Denver to Red Hot Chili Peppers....what you been smoking? ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 18:19
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Not sure I understand, but heres how it goes: The Wall is sh*te, probably my most disliked Floyd Album of Waters Floyd.
Grave New World is a classic, amazing, brilliant Strawbs album, probably their best work.
Comparing Grave New World the MOVIE to The Wall MOVIE is simple, Grave New World is a short, stupid little film that has some enjoyable and humorous moments...while The Wall is a painstaking journey through utter crap for hours.
Grave New World destroys it on both fronts, nuff said.
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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: August 04 2006 at 19:28
| I love the music from the Wall. Saw the movie a very long time ago and i seem to remember that i liked it much better than i expected (given that it got some bad reviews at the time) |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 05 2006 at 05:39
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TLC,
You are still quite young and did not live this late 70's early 80's as the older ones.
I can assure you the album and the movie were strong statements against what Waters consider what was wrong on this planet>>> In a way this album (and film) is the logical continuity of Animals .
I think you might just be growing into it. Just think about the movie and see how it relates to modern society.
Of course the Educational parts are not up to date with what you encountered in your youth. But as a youth that was 20 years younger than Waters was, I still met one or two of them teachers.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 05 2006 at 14:27
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Like the album (8/10), LOVE the movie (9.5/10)...that's all rather objective of course as I haven't seen or heard either in a good while... ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: August 05 2006 at 16:34
| I wonder what that fan who got spit in the face thinks. I mean, he's FAMOUS, but noone knows who he is, haha! He also spawned one of the most well-knows rock albums , at least indirectly. |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 06 2006 at 03:20
I don't like the album much, but in my opinion the movie is just wonderful. But I agree, that it won't probably please people who don't like art movies but prefer Star Wars for example. 
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 13:41
Hey You was originaly suppost too be in the movie, and the scene for it was filmed, but Roger thought that it was too repetative imagery, wasn't that intresting, and did nothing for the film/story, so he took it out. Waters said that (not in those words, but same idea) on the wall DvD commentary, on the DvD you can also see the scene he was talking about. I love the wall, and I keep throwing it back and forth With Dark Side over weather or not it's my fav floyd album. I thought the movie was good, confusing, weird, and what I liked about it was how unconventional and insanley different it was, and how you could get the story without any dialogue, just music and image. Cool idea, but I think there was a lot of room for improvment. ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 13:43
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Watch it while you're high it makes so much more sense ------------- When the world is sick Can't no one be well But I dreamt we were all beautiful and strong 
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 13:58
 ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |