Epics Of Dream Theater
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Topic: Epics Of Dream Theater
Posted By: Yito
Subject: Epics Of Dream Theater
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 13:56
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Yes¡¡¡¡ another poll of Dream Theater (the new name of this site is Dream Theater archives but they deserve it, specially for this four songs   .------------- Psalm 96 1 Sing to the LORD a new song; sing to the LORD, all the earth. |
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 14:00
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ELP ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 14:03
*exhausted, cannot even scream anymore*
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 14:04
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A Change Of Seasons, but of course I love them all.
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 14:04
I knew you would show up sooner or later.
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Ghost Rider wrote:Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 14:12
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Six Degrees.
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 14:22
I also get into that same state of euphoria when I see the epic Change of Seasons mentioned on a poll list ,I had no idea you liked it that much GR, isn´t it just awesome!
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Posted By: The Letter M
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 14:57
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I voted for Octavarium, although I can understand why people will choose A Change of Seasons. And by the way, it's "A Mind Beside Itself", which is really good, if only just for Erotomania.
What happened to In The Name Of God, or Home, or Trail Of Tears? I'd still consider them epics, albiet of the shorter kind (10-15 minutes). Those are all good songs too. -Marc. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know. I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will. If I die tomorrow, I`d be alright because I believe that after we`re gone, the spirit carries on. |
Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:05
| Six Degrees. |
Posted By: white_russian
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:14
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tie between a change of seasons and 6 degrees.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:17
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A Change Of Seasons.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:32
Liar. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:33
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:44
| A Mind Beside Itself gets my vote, partially because it's a great song and partially because it had no votes. |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:52
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Six Degrees because I like it more than the others. They are all great, but I like 6degrees better. Octavarium I like the least because it's just a rip-off of all the classic bands with a drwam theater edge.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 17:26
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A Mind Beside Itself!!!! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 17:32
hahah... you are evil and will burn in for all eternity hahahha my vote.... the secret other option.... 5) Other- Dream Theater didn't do any epics really... this is part of a recurring nightmare that the Symphonic team suffers... that there is NO waking up from.. yeah.. .that about sums it up hahaha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 18:36
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Six Degrees is my favorite album, but it's both disc that make it so great, take one away, and it just isn't on the same level.
I see "A Mind Besides Itself" is behind a bit, and it's my favorite of the four. It definately has the most character of the four.
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Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:15
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I voted for 'A Change of Seasons,' the most tasteful and mature composition written by Dream Theater. I must say, however, that I am shocked that A Mind Beside Itself only has 3 votes! I definately prefer to Octavarium, and it's about equal with 6 Degrees for me.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:19
hahahha... what do I have to fear from the acne scarred set  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:29
Long boring posts that you will read and hate every second of!  -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:33
hmmm... I will take ^ to mean a threat of even posts in even more useless and repeated Dream Theaters threads and polls... so I'll shut the hell up hahahha .
One more thread or poll and Raffaella will need to be carried into the
rubber room and I can't let that happen to a fellow horseman... you win
this round buddy ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:34
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Ah, Ivan does all the work for your team anyway.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:37
hahahha... the secret is out.... Ivan works while Raffaella and I plot against Dream Theater hahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:39
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Hmmm for Micky I would recommend Falling Into Infinity
Seriously I hated it at first but then it started to grow on me
Seeing that our tastes are um well slightly different, maybe you would love it at first listen!
Just an idea... *can picture Micky mumbling"more like falling into hell!!"*
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:42
Raffaella also gets her kicks torturing DP haters.
Like, if I were to say that Deep Purple were baffoons with less talent than a pole dancer and Ritchie Blackmore would sound better with his amp unplugged and duct tape over his guitar strings, she'd probably get mad.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:43
hahah... I do have a Dream Theater album that I bought a month or so ago... think is.. .I still haven't listened to it. hahahha... I've heard multiple samples sent to me by prospective converters... it just isn't my thing... the jesting is in good nature.. I'm not THAT elist.. oh man Metallica ... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:52
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Which president once said " Some men you just can´t reach Wait a sec...I see in your reviews you have Uriah Heep Salisbury?!! Micky is one of us!
Tomorrow will be my Gentle Giant day, I will report back Sunday night!
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:58
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Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence in their best in my opinion, Dream Theater's best song ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 22:02
good deal... I did give DT a fair shake... great talent but the music did absolutely nothing for me... none of it.. I enjoy metal so I don't know what the hangup is... I tried them out before I came here and started my alter-ego as Master of Prog Elitists (no mellotron.. no prog) so it's not a manifistation of that. I remember absolutely hating Petrucci ..that much remains clear in my mind.. and the insipid vocals.. the nasty (bad nasty) bass tone of Myung... it just wasn't meant to be I guess. Some day I'll pull that album out and try it ... once I have attained my quest of owning every prog album done between 1967 and 1979. Then... I might give them another shot It's more fun having fun with the kids anyway... most of them are good sports..------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 23:04
Okay then, that's quite fair. Stop coming into these DT threads and complaining then. I find I have the ability to vote unilmited ammounts of times. I haven't been voting thatr many times as you can see though... Is this the same with everyone else? -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 23:25
hahah.. complaining? oh man... if I was to start complaining it wouldn't be about the group. It's just not for me. IF I was to start complaining it would be about the veritable projectile vomiting of damn polls and threads that Dream Theater seems to span around here. Since I'm not the complaining type i'd suggest be thankful I don't start
Besides I'm helping keep this thread from sinking to the depths of hell
only to be replaced by a similar poll in a week or two. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 23:25
Woah, wait, someone plays bass in DT? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 23:28
or so I herard.. sounded like someone doing scales over and over again.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:01
You listened to When Dream and Day Unite didn't you?
I really love John Myung's playing. Most people that don't even like Dream Theater will say that he is a great bassist. Listen to some songs off Awake and Falling Into Infinity (Trial of Tears and Lines in the Sand) for some great bass tones. -------------
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:08
Myung is one of the best bass I have studied or heard. I can play three albums worth of his matierial and each one was a challenge morse so than any other bassists I have taken the time to learn. He doesn't get the press John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess, and Mike Portnoy get, but I sincerely think he is the most skilled musician in the band.
If you would listen to metal bands, then you will understand just how important Myung is to DT's sound. He's not all that up front in the mix, but he's very present comapred to other prog metal or metal bands.
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:17
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Mind Beside Itself wins
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:17
hahah.... technically I think he is lights out... from what I remember hearing I wasn't impressed with the sound. I've heard Awake isn't a bad album.. I'll check it out. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:21
*GR faints at the very thought of Awake* |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:22
that's right you have that album don't you... I guess that wasn't the album I heard wasn't a bad album... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:44
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Ok, since you two are hands down my favorite non-Dream Theater loving posters on this bored I'll give a quick rundown of every album.
When Dream and Day Unite- Sounds like Rush with more of a metal edge, a few cool songs, but it has the least musical quality. I will admit the bass tone is not up to snuff.
Images and Words- Best selling album, it actually sold gold which is very rare for a prog metal album. This album really gave the Progressive Metal genre a push. It's a complete improvement from When Dream and Day Unite. There's too much w**king in some songs, but I highly reccomend "Learning to Live" which I believe should have universal appeal. The only drawback of this album is the triggered snare comes off as cheesey, good thing they ditched that after this album.
Awake- My second favorite Dream Theater album, has three killer songs "A Mind Besides Itself", "Scarred", and "Space Dye Vest". I can't see what is not too like about those three songs. The only drawback is "The Mirror" and "Lie" two songs I can honestly admit are subpar for Dream Theater's standards.
Falling Into Infinity- Poppy but not cheesey, but Dream Theater had tight strings attached by Elektra from this album. There are some timeless songs like "Lines in the Sand" and "Trial of Tears", but this is sadly one of Dream Theater's darkest hours. I would really have loved to see what they would have done if they had full control Mike Portnoy stated a twenty-five minute epic was in the works, but Elektra never let it come to be.
Scenes From a Memory- The most important album of their career. No individual songs standout, but this is album where the entire album is magic. Single songs are not reccomended, but the album as a whole is. The musical acrobatics that Dream Theater is known more is most upfront on this album. It is a turn off to some, but I personally love it, as do many Dream Theater fans.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence- Brilliant start to finish, and is without a doubt my favorite Dream Theater album. The tones are perfect. The first disc is very experimental with excellent songs like "The Great Debate", "Blind Faith", Misunderstood", and "Disappear" argueably the most unique song in Dream Theater's catalogue. "The Glass Prison" is polarizing. The second disc is a fourty-two minute epic, which is just musical heaven. Not as well acclaimed as other Dream Theater albums, but it's so hard to describe. It isn't heavy, but it isn't exactly soft. It is it's own thing in my opinion. Train of Thought- Deceptively more progressive with each later track. Falls more on the metal side, so I wouldn't reccomend it for fans of softer prog.
Octavarium- This album is all about "Sacrificed Sons" and the title track. There isn't as much technical skill, but this album is structured a little poppy towards the beginning. Not highly reccomended, but there's less musical acrobatics on this album. Influences are very apparent.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 00:48
awesome.... well the album I do have appears to be the one I need to have... I will listen to it tomorrow and share my thoughts. This time I really will ahhaha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 02:57
ha ha ha, I am looking forward to your thoughts on this.
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Posted By: Sathvik
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 04:02
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A Change Of Seasons hands down ------------- 
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Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 07:31
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A Change of Seasons by far.
I would like to note that in my opinion A Change of Seasons is in my opinion the best song by Dream Theater and Im surprised http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5000&FID=42 - AtLossForWords completly ignored it in the "quick rundown".
In fact this is the song which has the least "Musical Acrobatics", except for one very technical unison which is completly in good taste, in fact it is humoristic (Especially on live shows). This song also features the best vocals IMO, The best drumming. He plays like a fusion drummer on this song, not like a "super technical prog metal drummer". The way Portnoy communicates with the other instruments on ACOS is just awe inspiring. Also this song features the best "killer riffs" including a fantastic riff towards the beginning of the song in a time signature of 17/16 (the gesture to Erotomania), and many, many, many more mind blowing riffs.. Also, my favorite Petrucci solo appears on 17:18 of A Change of Seasons. Don't judge Petrucci before you hear this solo (in 7/4), or actually, all of ACOS. The entire song features no shredding solos whatsoever, and he just plays like a master throughout. ------------- 
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Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 08:12
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Octavarium
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 08:38
yes at the risk of causing dissent and rancor in the symphonic team.. I will listen to it today... God helpe me though... if I should actually like it.  hahah------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:52
I too am eager to hear your thoughts on it. I'll be waiting.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:54
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Has any of you ever heard of the Delete button when you quote? Those pyramids are next to illegible.... *runs for cover* |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 12:03
The sky must be falling into infinity.
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Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 13:11
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Why do you run for cover after each post, mister Ghost Rider? -------------
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:07
Opps
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:12
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Yes, I'm a she... Why do I run for cover? It's a kind of a joke between me and some of my friends here on the forum... In this specific circumstance, between me and my fellow symphonic team partner. In most other cases, it happens whenever I dis DT... but by now no one gets offended any more!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:41
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I'm seriously fed up with the gratuitous Dream Theater hating on this
site. Even though they're terribly over-rated and much of their
discography is fairly uninteresting, they have made at least two very
good albums, Images and Words and Awake, and they have been influential
both in and outside the Prog Metal genre. Even if one doesn't like
them, they deserve respect, because they are skilled musicians and
composers, even though they tend to be excessively wanky far too often
for their own good. Please try to acknowledge the two good (and
important) albums that they have made. I realise that I might sound like a fanboy, but believe me, most of DT's albums disappoint me aswell, except for the two I mentioned above, which are good and deserve respect. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:49
well you do sound like a fanboy... but we like you anyway... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:00
Great!  It's very hard not to sound like a fanboy when posting something like that. But I actually have a really hard time with most of DT's work, except for those two albums, which I find enjoyable. Their other albums always lacks something at some point, but even the worst ones have their moments aswell, and it's those moments, together with Images and Words and Awake, that make Dream Theater a band worth respecting. Check out my post in the "remove the vocalist" (or whatever it was called) poll. No fanboy would say something like that. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:05
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Train of Thought was LaBrie's low point as a vocalist. He's much better on Octavarium. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:52
And to think I found him rather tolerable on ToT... True, he sounded a bit like James Hetfield, but it was better than hear him shriek as on "Once in a Livetime"  . |
Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:54
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I love them all!
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:55
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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 16:00
Ok, that's enough...I won't vote on a Dream Theater poll again ------------- [IMG]http://www.travelwithachallenge.com/Images/Travel_Article_Library/Sacred-Travel/Machu-Picchu-350.jpg"> [IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/panchopc1/machupicchu-1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 16:47
Come on guys, nobody noticed anything?
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 16:53
I guess you voted for everyone. Perhaps even multiple times. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 17:13
they are worth respecting ... a band of that caliber of talent can't be dismissed. I did try to listen to my first DT album all the way through this afternoon... I couldn't quite make it all the way through.. before I felt this burning desire to hear ELP - Toccata but I will try again to listen to it all the way through. I may even try reviewing it.. I'll be fair in the grade but probably a bit scathing in my critique of it. It is a classic of PM and will grade it accordingly.. but my comments may reflect why some like me have serious serious hang ups about this group. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 17:21
It's just great to hear that you giving the band a listen. If you find some things that you enjoy, all the better. I'd be very interested to see this review when published. Not so that I can tear it up
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 17:24
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It seems as though we finally reached a little love and understanding from both sides! Wonderful!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 17:32
no problem.. I'll send you a PM you when I post it. obviously I want a few complete listens before I do.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:28
Could you send me one as well Mikey???... I've only been trying to get you to listen to that album for like 2 years now. ... And don't forget your 7 listen rule. I really hope you do come to enjoy it.-------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:31
oh course.... I know my rules hahaha.. but yes I'll PM you a heads up.. to expedite the process I put it on my mp3 player and will listen to it once each day this week and post a review a week from tonight. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:34
LOL... It's kind of like the Mideast Peace Talks isn't it. -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:38
oh that's a real confidence builder.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:40
Wow,that is some self-sacrifice. A whole week of DTs,enough to shake anybody!
Why not just forget that and read my review of Herbivorium or whatever the last album was called: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=44672 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=44672 Why just upset DT fans when you can double team on ELP too?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:45
(x2)my first double 5 clappie award goes to you sir for managing to offend both parties great review by the way... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:49
The best Octavarium revew, however, goes to: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=35831 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=35831
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:52
That wasn't done by Valarius by any chance?  |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:53
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Mickey,this is the one where I offend ELP fans:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=38597 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=38597 Stoney,I wonder if anyone has actually ever managed to completely read JKGs review? I've never managed to listen to the album in one sitting nevermind that epic... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:54
AAAAHHHHHHH... I can't stand it anymore.. I made it through half of that.... did he ever get to the album ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:55
I've read it, but in my defense, the forum was moving very slow that day. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:56
hahahh... I actually do have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.. You are my hero Tony.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:58
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Some people used to think I was a troll....
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:58
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4823&FID=42 - micky Special Collaborator   Symphonic Prog Specialist Joined: October 02 2005 Online Status: Online Posts: 3666  (That explains a lot. )------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 21:01
You know Flossy and I reviewed it for five stars too. I quie like Flossy's TFK, PoS, and DT reviews. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 21:02
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^ Wahahahaha! ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 21:03
hahhaha same here it appears... word got to me though the person remains unknown to me.. that someone opposed me being an SC because they thought I was a Troll hahah. Can't blame them... I can be a bit eccentric at times (I'll never let you live that down by the way hahhaha) ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 21:04
hahah.. when you have it figured out.. let me know hahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 02:14
Yikes!!! Better set aside like 3 hours to read all that. -------------
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Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 07:14
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I have a question to all you DT haters and lovers;
How many of you are actually musicians, or atleast amateur musicians?
I think the main problem (it's not a real problem
) is that Dream Theater's fan-base is full of "fanboys" who know nothing about propper music. They do not really comprehend Dream Theater's complexity and genius, but they like them anyways because Petrucci plays guitars very fast. Also, the fan base also contains a few people who know stuff about music, and they can actually understand the music and like it for the right reasons, but those people are referred to as fanboys just because they like the same band as the stupid guys who don't know sh*t about music.Also, many DT haters know nothing about music. I respect people who might not like DT for sensible reasons... But some people just don't like DT because they don't want to be considered "fanboys"... Or just use the classic argument "They are just w**kers boasting in their speed".
Well I would just like to say something vulgar for once after shutting up about this for a very long while of consistently annoying "DT haters" threads:
To all you who claim that DT are just w**kers showing off technique, You are stupid, you know nothing about music. Your mind is just way too small to truely comprehend the genius of DT. Try covering one of their songs before you open your mouth, or better yet, just shut your mouth for good.
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 07:24
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Nice ^ ------------- sig |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 07:32
So basically anyone who doesnt like DT is stupid.
Do you think that Albert Einstein would be spinning Dream Theater discs if he were still alive today? One little known fact about Mr Einstein: He Wasn't Much Of A Musician Einstein would relax in his kitchen with his trusty violin, stubbornly trying to improvise something of a tune. When that didn't work, he'd have a crack at Prog Metal. |
Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 07:43
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You obviously didn't actually read what I said. I did not say whoever dosen't like DT - you are stupid.
I said whoever claims that they are not artists and they just wank over their virtuoso abilities - you are stupid.
Excuse me but there is a difference.
And also - There are a few musicians such as J.S Bach, that I didn't like before I played a piece by him. I think, if I was not a musician I would have never been able to comprehend (or coming close to comprehension) the genius of J.S Bach.
Another Example - I would have never been able to understand the genius of T.S Eliot, because I am no poet, and I have yet to actually read a serious poetry book in my life. Therefore I don't go out and say that T.S Eliot is full of bullsh*t and he just goes on blabbering about nothing using his "High Language" and indulging in it.
P.S, by no means am I comparing DT to J.S Bach, or T.S Eliot. I don't think THAT much of them :P -------------
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 08:08
How do you know that DT arent superior to TS Eliot if you,as you admit,have never read any of his work or that of any poet? Because someone tells you that Eliot is superior art? It is all about opinion,but it is best to form your own which is what I have done based on listening to DT and comparing them to bands I like and also those I dislike. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 09:14
Tony, you're my man....  As to what The Lamb says: first of all, I don't think words like 'stupid' should be thrown around like that in a public forum (Mods, sorry if I'm stealing your job, but I can't keep quiet on this one..). Then, as I'm known - jokingly or otherwise - as one of the major DT bashers on PA, let me explain my point of view: I am not a musician, and as such I would never dare to say that DT are showoffs, w****rs or anything like that. The only thing I can say is they commit what, to my eyes, is the greatest musical sin of all: they bore the hell out of me - and I own five albums of theirs. Is that enough? |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 09:18
Isnt that against Symphonic Prog Team rules...? Iván,check the small print immediately
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Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 09:49
Mmm you are sortof ignoring the fact that I never accused "people who don't like DT" as stupid. People who has them for sensible reasons (like Ghost Rider) have the right to do so.
All I said was I think that people who say DT are technical showoff are just... stupid. Not because they have bad taste, but because they choose to critisize in inappropriate ways things that are simply beyond their understanding.
Tony R, I don't know if DT are superior to T.S Eliot, and I think the comparison of the two is beyond absurd. I only know that I would never critisize T.S Eliot (especially not in inappropriate ways), being a person whose knowledge of great poetry is close to nothing. -------------
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 11:08
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I'm with TheLamb on this one (except for the issue of calling people stupid ). People who don't know anything about music should not comment on how other people make music. I know nothing about painting, so of course I never comment on the technique of painters, even if I don't like their paintings. However, I don't agree that people who comment on technique without proper knowledge are stupid. I kindly tell them to learn music theory and then make a statement. Calling them stupid won't solve anything, Lamb. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 11:54
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The idea that non-musicians shouldnt comment about musicianship is patently absurd.
You can learn to accurately critique any "art" without being able to practice those disciplines yourself. If you have the intelligence of course....
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 11:57
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Has anyone actually talked about Dream Theater's epics in the past 4 pages of this thread? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 11:59
They obviously arent worth debating unless you are a musician or a 16 yr old savant....
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 12:10
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Savant capabilities: Music is another common savant ability. Many performers with autism have perfect pitch and also have a great memory for music. In some cases, a person can hear a classical piece once and play it back in its entirety.
What am I saying, dunno really, just wanted to be part of this great thread  ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 12:10
My little son thinks your avvy of the two legged horse is hilarious!
His father on the other hand thinks your post is!Speaking as a musician with a grade 3 in musical theory from The Royal Schools of Music(signed by The Queen) I would say they are all excellent musicians.
Good day gentlemen.
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