RUSH is..........
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Topic: RUSH is..........
Posted By: DallasBryan
Subject: RUSH is..........
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 09:19
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see what www.progarchives.com, calls them?
boy does this describe this forum!!! They get slated a lot in prog circles, but this is mainly due to their fans who tend to get stuck in a rut when they find Rush and think nothing could ever compete. This is nonsense of course but Rush have made some fantastic music. I honestly think there's not a bad track on any album up until Presto. This, for me was the start of their decline. I was very disappointed with Counterparts ... their worst ever. Get *anything* other than the last 3 (even then, with the exception of Counterparts, they're ok). A great, great band that contains brilliant musicians. I know Peart's lyrics are pseudo-everthing garbage but the music is so good -cut and paste I dont hate them, but when I think of progressive rock I certainly dont think of RUSH. I personally think there is a debate for all three choices. pseudo-everthing garbage lyrics(and that ratboy voice) is the problem.   
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 09:21
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I love Rush. I want to have their babies. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: headboy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 10:09
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i have!! |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 10:11
I bet that stung a little. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
headboy wrote:Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 10:13
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I once asked my mother what it was like to have a baby and she said it was like passing a melon. However...Rush are, er...great!
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Ouch!Posted By: headboy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 10:57
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what are you saying about Rush...?! that would make a good question... If Rush were fruit what would they be? Should inspire some interesting answers! http://www.atascape.com - www.atascape.com he's not the messiah,he's a very naughty boy! |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 11:03
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A passion fruit?
Sgt.: Huh! 'Flu, eh? They should eat more fresh fruit. Ha. Right. Now, ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: headboy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 11:14
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brilliant |
Posted By: project23
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 11:42
| They aren't prog, more just rock this days.They were more "progressive" at one time. I still like them alot. |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:39
passionfruit? ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:42
If Reed likes Rush, Then I donīt 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:58
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Gadzooks,The Jester is on my case now! Good job he's dead! ------------- 
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Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 14:02
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 16:48
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I've never been sure about considering Rush a prog band - they're not really, are they? Fantastic hard rock/metal band that goes above and beyond, writing epic length tracks with quiet bits and heavy bits and all manner of sections - but is it really prog? No. But I'm glad they're in the archives - EVERYONE should hear Rush. Mind you, I hear what the Dead Jester is saying... Maybe I've had one too many "happy ciggies" tonitgh... |
Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 16:53
| i agree with certidid. rush more of a rock with some prog flair. |
Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 16:59
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I personally think Rush is very borderline hard rock/prog but I'm fine with them in the Archives. Styx on the other hand ...........No, just no ------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 17:05
whoa whoa, how can you say that? the material on albums like a farewell to kings and hemispheres is not just hard rock with "prog flair," its PROG! If Rush is hard rock with prog flair, than groups like Opeth or Queensryche shouldn't be considered prog either. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 17:55
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Oh no - I agree with Aqualung on this! I have always considered Rush borderline prog, though, like Aqualung, I don't really have a problem with them on the site. Styx, on the other hand, does not qualify as prog even on a good day... Peace. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:54
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After seeing Spinal Tap do 'Stonehenge' it's impossible to keep a straight face through '2112'. They have a well deserved place in my heart, my adolescence and the archives, but the world has moved on since then. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:57
And so have RUSH!. been thinkin Is it sausages?
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How do you pronounce your nickname?
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:05
Close enoughh - think of an adjectival form of sausage. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:08
As in that sausage tasted very sausagey? -------------
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:27
 ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:27
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I had a friend back in the late 70's and we had this discussion about Rush back then. He kept pulling out their early albums and compared them to ELP. (Of course he played guitar and I played keyboards so you can imagine which side of the fence we were on) But in the end I did respect Rush for creating prog music. Not completely in the box prog but prog none the less. I think of several songs even their radio cuts, that could be classified as prog as the structure of the song was so different than your usual rock and roll or pop song. They are not huge favs of mine but I do like them and I do think they are prog and they do belong here. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:31
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Rush are not prog. They are unique. So they defy classification! So don't do it. Or else. OK?
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:42
Kind of like you Reed boy. I say prog just because they are different. I know they have multi sides to them. Kind of like I band I like. -------------
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:47
Well alright then. You may go now! -------------
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 20:04
Syzygy is the alignment of three celestial bodies in a straight line. It's also the name of a newer Prog group (three members) that rocks very hard. Not quite metal, but no droopy sausage.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 20:13
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Love is..........................................never having to say syzygy. -------------
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 20:15
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Ooops.... It's pronounced: Siz eh gee
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 20:20
I could say it to myself-but no-one else comes close! -------------
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 20:22
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It also describes a pair of linked or correlated things, and gets a massive amount of points if you get it on a triple word score (of course, you need a blank to do it). As for pronunciation, I don't know how to get the IPA on this machine, but the second syllable is unstressed and close to a schwa. A good approximation would be Siz uh jee, but I think 'sausagey' sounds better. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 00:00
| Have you checked out the band? Syzygy, that is. |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 00:51
I have one song of theirs on my comp, off of their recent release MOTH... its not bad! They're very ELPish (no, i didn't say elvish, you silly prog geeks). Syzygy.... if you say "Sizzle G" quickly then that almost does it. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 03:33
Alex Lifeson characterizes Rush simply as a power trio,no great definition mystery in it for him,apparantly. ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: headboy
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 03:54
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i have an album called 'Frying Tonight' by Sausagey.... are you referring to that? http://www.atascape.com - www.atascape.com ---------------------------- excuse me,is this the 5min argument or the full half-hour? |
Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:11
Hey, I thought you were supposed to be outta here? Grand exit and all that, etc.
...and this is your brain on crack.
What's an everthing? Look, Peart's a great lyricist. He's had his off days (like some songs on Hold Your Fire, Presto, and Roll The Bones) but you can't dismiss him as a sh!tty lyricist.
So? Many people don't. Rush was a prog at one time; now they're not. It's not because they're not making great music, it's because (like Yes, King Crimson, Kansas, etc.) they cemented their style twenty or more years ago and are just building on it. You can't tell me that Spock's Beard is truly a progressive band just because some long tunes came out of those guys. Much of the music we hear nowadays is a variation on one theme or idea or another. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy it.
Hey, I thought you were supposed to be outta here?
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:13
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Hee Hee.... ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:16
Like Elvis then?
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:42
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Rush is Hard'n'Art to my opinion (or maybe Proto-Prog-Metal :-)), but there's no such version for reply... ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 05:39
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Proto-Prog-Metal,that sums up Rush rather nicely. A sort of precursor to Queensryche and Dream Theater. Good definition! ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: maddog
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 06:33
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They are not a prog-rock band,they hardly are a rock band.I can't stand the vocals of Geddy Lee,i don't appreciate the intellectual style they think they have,i could have been much less polite but.....anyway i hope they would have borned in 2112 or in any era after my death. ------------- Vielleicht irrte sich der general-general-general |
Posted By: headboy
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 07:11
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hmmm..
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Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 07:33
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I know that many people hate Rush passionately so maddog expresses a feeling that's very common outside of our little prog fraternity. ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 13:21
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Hardly a rock band? We are talking about Rush here aren't we? Not Jennifer Rush !
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Posted By: plodder
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 15:29
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I'm not voting. What stupid choices. Counterparts, their worst album. I'm sat here mouth, open in disbelief. Presto the start of their decline?? You have too be joking. Presto is fantastic. I know that everyone is entitled to their opinions but aye karamba. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 15:57
Exactly like Elvis, but with talent, musical ability, song writing ability, intelligence and integrity.. Nothing like Elvis then, I guess..
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 16:04
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MOTH is good, but they have more aspects then ELP to their sound. Actually, most of the album is instrumental. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 16:13
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IT TOOK A VERY SICK PERSON TO COME UP WITH THE ELVIS IS DEAD PART OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could you ruin the memory of Elvis by describing his death in such a sick,demented and vulgar way? # 1 Elvis fan in the U.S. Deanna
Maybe a bit of tangent, but I know what I mean. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 18:11
| I like Rush a lot. I would go so far as to say they are my favorite band. But I wouldn't go so far as to say they are pure prog. There first album was nothing but hard rock. There was not an inkling of progressive music on that record. They reached there progressive peak on either A Farewell to Kings or Hemispheres. Starting on Permanent Waves they started doing New Wave stuff with occasional progressive bits and odd meters on about half of their songs. Since then, they have become less and less progressive and more and more mainstream. That is my statement, if anybody cares. They started becoming very pop rock around Roll the Bones and Counterparts. |
Posted By: plodder
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 19:22
Aieeeeeeeee. What is the matter with you people. Pop rock?? Counterparts?? It's the heaviest of all their albums. If you want to argue it's the least progressive, then OK I'll go along with that, but pop??. You have to be kidding me. |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 19:24
lol, thats Rush in a can for ya. proto-prog-metal? honestly people. don't you think we spend a little too much time labeling things? The music is what it is, call it hard rock, call it prog. Even a harsh cynic must concede that, as mentioned above, there are definitely some, if not many, progressive elements to their music. Pieces like Xanadu, Cygnus (I and II) and 2112 are undeniably influenced by progressive rock. Is the band still prog? Maybe not, but multitudes of one time prog bands moved on to other musical styles. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: project23
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 21:36
Counterparts is the album that got me to start listening again. I lost interest for awhile after hearing Hold Your Fire. 
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 05:25
| RUSH IS SIMPLY THE FIRST PROG METAL BAND. THEY ARE LIKE SABBATH FOR PROG |
Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 06:01
King Crimson were (and still are) much more heavier and progressive than Rush. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 06:30
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Well if you call that cacophony of noise, music maybe so. On the other hand if you want actual tunes then Rush are heavier (but not neccesarily prog) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 06:48
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I agree with Reed Lover. About everything. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 07:13
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^ I don't agree with Tony R....................when he said that the Admin here are a bunch of faggots! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 07:59
| Pseudo prog that's it. |
Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:13
do you believe that albums like red, lark's tongues in aspic, construkction of light and power to believe are just noise and nothing else....?? -------------
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:35
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I guess that Rush are Art Rock, certainly from about 'Moving Pictures' onwards, although I'm sure the term hadn't been formed back then! I would just like to say that I think 'Counterparts' is a great album... significantly better than 'Presto' anyway. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:58
| Art Rock then to Pseudo-Prog, then to Pop/Rock |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 11:10
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melodic hard rock with pseudo prog arrengements. Nothing else! ------------- 
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 06:48
I AM A BIG FAN OF KING AND I BELIVE THAT THEY WERE THE FIRST PROG ROCK BAND BUT HEY MAN RUSH WAS THE BAND WHICH BROUGHT HEAVY METAL RIFS TO PROG. NO MATER HOW HARD CK OR YES PLAYED RUSH WERE THE FIRST TO USE METAL STUCTURES WITH PROG THEMES. AND AS FOR THE PROG, IF NATURAL SCIENCE, CYGNUS I AND II, 2112, YYZ AND MANY MORE OF THEIR SONG DONīT HAVE PROG STRUCTURES THEN I MUST HAVE LISTENED THEM WHEN I WAS DRUNK. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 07:58
If Rush aren't prog after recording The Fountain of Lamneth, Xanadu, Hemispheres etc, then I don't know who is. They may have veered away from it in later years, but they still qualify with ease, certainly a lot more than Queen! |