Who are the Big 5 supergroups?
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Topic: Who are the Big 5 supergroups?
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Subject: Who are the Big 5 supergroups?
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 20:47
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inspired by rush topic...thought this was curious, i consider alot of prog bands to be super prog, whether i like em or not.
YES
ELP
Genesis
Moody Blues
Tull
Rush
probly forgot a few...but who exactly are the big 5? -------------  "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 20:51
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Yes
Genesis King Crimson ELP Gentle Giant These are the founding fathers..... -------------  |
Posted By: Bionic Commando
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 20:57
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Genesis, Yes, ELP, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd. Those are my big five anyway.
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Posted By: Proghat
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:15
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Pink Floyd Rush Yes Genesis King Crimson I'm actually fairly certain that the above list is nigh undipsutable (although GG and Tull could easily be on there as well.) As for MY top 5 supergroups: Dream Theater Camel Rush ELP Transatlantic But I don't really know what qualifies as a "supergroup". I also need to mention that I love Yes, KC and PF, but I like DT, Camel, Rush, ELP and Transatlantic just a smidge better. I also love Caravan, Return To Forever and Spock's Beard, but I don't think that they're necessarily supergroups (they're close, however.) |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:29
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I don't know if their is a logical reason to ask for the big as against big 4 or big but here are my observations.
Yes Genesis and Pink Floyd are the big 3 that seem to vie for best prog band ever.
The argument for Yes is that at their best there is noone better and the individual talents of it's members.
The argument for Floyd is their popularity fame and records sold.
The argument for Genesis is that they have sold almost as well as Floyd, they have spawned popular solo acts and have the best discography
Yapping at the heels of the big 3 are King Crimson that really got the genre started, ELP ( unfortunately their dreadful decline post works vol 1has given amnesia to how huge they were in their heyday ),the Moody Blues, Dream Theatre and Jethro Tull.
Others may put up their personal favorites but generally these are the big acts. ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:45
| The considered Big 5 are Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull and ELP. But there is no use in talking of a "Big 5" when we have at least 20 major prog acts. |
Posted By: majicray2112
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:51
My top five so far are: King Crimson, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Pink Floyd, and Dream Theater. But I'm still looking
------------- Krimson Fan |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:52
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i feel like this should be easy
i think it may have more to do with popularity and impact on prog rock
so...
Yes
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
i think ELP is out because that band is completely forgotten among most people
Yes and Genesis for obvious reasons, Pink Floyd just because they are huge... and pretty good, Jethro Tull is quite diverse and has opened the doors for many people into stranger music, King Crimson is one of those bands where, when you find them, they are never forgotten, huge music,
Aaron
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 21:54
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I don't know how you could put Moody Blues into the mix. They're proto-prog and never made the leap into full blown prog. Let alone enough to consider them one of the big five. Also, Dream Theater started in the mid 80's far removed from the begining of the prog-movement. King Crimson - Started the whole thing ELP
Pink Floyd
Yes
Genesis ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 22:06
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Difficult, but none of the usual suspects for me. Perhaps Gong,
Hawkwind, Van der Graaf Generator, Magma and Amon Düül 2. But Embryo,
Can, Guru Guru, King Crimson or the Residents are close contenders and
might be named by me on another day. Or some other artist I just don't
think of at the moment. In any way, definitely not the usual suspects,
with the exception of King Crimson. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 22:20
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I've got to go with Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, and ELP. You could mix it up alittle. Maybe put Rush in there, but I don't know who I would take out. These have to be the five most important groups in prog. Just my opinion of course, but I bet there could be a strong argument made for these five. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Lex C
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 22:42
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Changes with Time 70s - Yes King Crimson Jethro Tull Genisis Pink Floyd 80s - (my knowledge here is scarce) Zappa, Rush + 3 more 90s to Present The Mars Volta Tool Meshuggah Opeth Dream Theater |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 22:42
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I thought it was six?
Usually the six are:
Yes
Genesis
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
ELP
Jethro Tull
but personally? I don't know what five I would pick, there are just too many great bands/artists out there. ------------- |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 22:49
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Yes, Genesis, ELP, KC, Floyd. Honorable mentions: Tull, GG, Rush. |
Posted By: ProgLucky
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:02
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My top BIG 5 supergroups is:
KING CRIMSON marked the birth of a mature and extremely aggressive ''progressive'' sound (psychedelic with symphonic, electronic, experimental jazz, and even metal and folk).
Pink Floyd (psychedelic & space rock)
Jethro Tull (folk prog)
Rush (progenitors of progressive metal) Marillion (NEO PROGressive or the prog of the new wave)
''Progressive Rock is a music made for the dreams,
the escape, to feel a multitude of emotions''. http://www.progarchives.com/prog-book.asp - http://www.progarchives.com/prog-book.asp
Ronald Couture - ProgLucky (founder of ProgArchives.com)
Quebec, CANADA
http://www.progarchives.com/prog-book.asp -
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Posted By: Lex C
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:03
| OOOO This is a very good topic we have the founder's response All hail |
Posted By: ProgLucky
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:08
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Don't forget ...
I speak in French..... very bad in English language
''All intelligent listeners should be made aware of the wonders of this style!''
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My love to you all :-)
Keep on proggin!
Ronald Couture
Quebec, CANADA
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Posted By: kebjourman
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:09
i like your taste
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BaldFriede wrote:Posted By: mgallard
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:12
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Without reading the prior posts: 1- Genesis 2- Pink Floyd 3- Frank Zappa 4- Yes 5- Marillion Mogens |
Posted By: mgallard
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:19
Without Genesis neither Marillion nor Rush would have existed (though Rush has a lot of Led Zeppelin influence too). I find it surprising that you did not include Genesis, that's all :-) don't like them? Ave Proglucky, great site. Mogens |
Posted By: ProgLucky
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:24
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Hello Mogens
GENESIS is my 6th TOP supergroup.
ProgLucky
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 00:14
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Transatlantic with out about doubt is the biggest. You can't beat Stolt, Morse, Portnoy, and Trewavas all on the same album. All from different bands making incredible music.
honorable mention to
The Tangent
Liquid Tension Experiment (Pre-Rudess Dream Theater)
Neal Morse's (?) album
Ayreon -------------  
"Mastodon sucks giant monkey balls." |
Posted By: peppino
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 00:50
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Tull
Genesis
Gentle Giant
ELP
Yes
Sorry King Crimson, but you are #6 on my list. ------------- (insert insightful statement here) |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 01:00
I heard of the big 5 not including Jethro Tull, but also heard of the big 6 with Tull.
Despite our personal tastes, those are the generally considered big 5 or 6.
Iván
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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 01:20
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ELP, Liquid Tension Experiment, Transatlantic... Oh, we're not talking about supergroups, we're talking about supergroups... I get it. My personal choices would be Genesis, Dream Theater, Van Der Graaf Generator, Pain Of Salvation and Magma. The real big five would probably be Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, King Crimson and ELP. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/"> 
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 01:21
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 01:48
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As we are talking about the supergroups and not (only) about the favourite ones, my list will look like:
Van der Graaf Generator
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
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Yes
Pink Floyd
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 01:53
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Yes
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Rush
Jethro Tull
I reckon this is fair, bands like Camel, VDGG and GG should be in there too but there just isn't enogh room ------------- 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:21
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There should be a big seven:
King Crimson
ELP
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Yes
Jethro Tull
Rush
If I had to drop 2 to get to a 'five' the it would be Rush and King Crimson.Rush came later and were worshipped by metalheads as well as prog fans.Crossover band that appealed to all rock fans that accounts for a lot of their success.King Crimson were successfull in Europe but not as much elsewhere.ELP should remain in as they were one of the biggest bands in the world 1970-1977 selling out massive venues from South America to Japan as well as America and Europe.Then it all went tits up but that doesn't change where they were at their peak.
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Posted By: dima_olkov
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:29
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Pink Floyd
Genesis
VdGG
Jethro Tull
Gentle Giant ------------- PF, Genesis, KC, Yes, VdGG, GG, Camel, Jethro Tull |
Posted By: suomynona
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 03:40
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Though I'm not as familiar with some of the lesser known artists here are my five; Genesis (Gabriel era in particular, best overall) Yes (incredible musicianship) ELP (terrible lyrics, but there instrumental work is supreme) Pink Floyd (not as "progressive" as the others, but their works are outstanding) Supertramp (though on the popish side, this bands music is quite tight and well composed, there is a reason for there great success.) |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 06:12
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My symphonic rock dinosaurs (a cynical nickname by the venomous UK musical press in the mid-Seventies) are:
- Genesis: innovative blend of folk, rock and classical, captivating shifting moods and wonderful 12-
string guitars
- Yes: amazing interplay, virtuosic skills
- ELP: virtuosic and self-indulgent, the inventors of 'pomprock'
- King Crimson: capricious, their debut album is one of the most pivotal progrock
albums, alternating between the feminine (Mellotron/acoustic guitars) and male
(fiery electric guitar and saxophone) side
- Pink Floyd: great atmospheres and very compelling soli on guitar and keyboards, I
love the controversial The Wall and consider this 2-LP as their best effort
(subjective!)
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 06:27
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In terms of commercial success: Genesis Floyd Yes ELP (if only for a short time) Rush King Crimson and Tull come close. VDGG, GG, BJH, Camel never made the big league in terms of sales But if it's personal choice: Camel Genesis Strawbs Mostly Autumn Gryphon |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 06:35
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In terms of commercial success worldwide:
1. Pink Floyd
2. Genesis (though mainly due to Collins-led 80s pop-rock output) 3. Jethro Tull 4. Rush 5. Yes that's purely on album sales and isnt 100% accurate as reports vary wildly.What is certain is that Jethro Tull have sold vast quantities of albums and not many here seem to know that.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 07:15
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To me, the biggest five are: 1. King Crimson 2. Yes 3. Genesis 4. ELP 5. Rush/Jethro Tull (tie) Edit: Oh, GG and Camel would share the 6th place. 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 07:46
Just curious. Has Genesis sold more of their prog albums than Jethro Tull? Because if that list is made including We Can't Dance etc. I think of that list as a bit misleading. Jethro Tull were much bigger than Genesis in the early to mid 70's weren't they? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 08:15
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1. PINK FLOYD
2. KING CRIMSON
3. JETHRO TULL
4. GENESIS
5. YES ------------- 'Sundown,yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast..... Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.' Bob Dylan |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 12:54
Very much so.If you discount the 80s Genesis albums (which you cant really do) then JT would indeed be second!
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 13:25
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Uggh... I probably have 20 top 5 superbands (sounds like a heavy duty rubberband).
If I had to choose:
Genesis
VdGG
Yes
Frank Zappa
Pink Floyd
and Tull and Steve Hillage and Caravan and Dream Theater and Rush and Mahavishnu Orchestra... ------------- 
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 14:11
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I love to many bands to pick just 5! -------------  
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 14:13
Exactly what I should have put instead of making myself think. -------------
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 14:17
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Its Seven Supergroups, not five
Camel
King Crimson
Yes
Emerson Lake and Palmer
Gentle Gaint
Van Der Graaf Generator
Genesis
List Complete
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 15:44
Strange, from what I have heard so far the big 5 doesn't include King Crimson. The reason is pretty simple: many people who doesn't even know what is prog rock knows some songs of Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, ELP and Jethro Tull. King Crimson nobody knows, classic rock stations don't play them. They are restricted to the prog audience. Usually people discover them when they search something else than Yes, Genesis, ELP, Rush, Marillion, Tull, Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, Supertramp, Renaissance. |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 15:53
Moody Blues has to be in the list, of course. All the people I know that like classic rock and lived in 60's and 70's consider them progressive rock. They are better known than King Crimson, even as a prog rock band and all the people I know who likes prog, are prog addicts, etc, don't consider King Crimson the first, because The Nice, Procol Harum, The Moody Blues, Deep Purple were doing progressive rock before King Crimson even existed. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 16:00
well said my friend.. and those colors are just cheerful as hell.... put Jethro Tull in hot pink for me and you'll have a friend for life.. always considered it the big 6 and then everyone else.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 16:16
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Genesis Yes ELP King Crimson Pink Floyd Followed by: Jethro Tull Marillion Rush Camel Dream Theater IMHO, of course. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 16:31
hahah.. if I didn't know how much you loved Camel.. I would have suggested replacing them with VdGG... but I'm not in the mood to be told to bugger off at the moment hahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 16:43
Good to hear from you Micky, you USA proghead lunatic  ...
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Posted By: Dr4Wazo
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 16:45
I think I share the same point of view ------------- 
"Mëem Otsilennhetëe Dros Sun Surra Steuhn Do Nansei" |
Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 19:02
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This is another of those topics that will never have a definitive answer. Everyone, quite rightly, has their own opinions. Generally, like a lot here, I agree that the 'big three', and indeed my personal faves from the early days, were, or are Genesis, Yes, and Pink Floyd. Most of my friends at the time also listened to those three the most.
After them we had King Crimson, ELP and Jethro Tull. Then came a third tier, including VDGG, Camel and Gentle Giant. Rush appeared just after that.
So, the big 6, as I would put it, would be, (in no particular order):
Genesis
Yes
Pink Floyd
King Crimson
ELP
Jethro Tull
If you had to drop one, it would probably be Tull.
It would be interesting to do a big 5 of more modern bands. If you took the starting point from the rise of Marillion, then a big 5 could look like this:
Marillion
Flower Kings
Dream Theater
Porcupine Tree
Spock's Beard
All of which I like, apart from Dream Theater!
Just my opinion, of course.
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 19:16
Actually, most of the people who aren't prog fans but still are casual listeners tend to think of King Crimson very often while none have ever heard of VdGG. -------------
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Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 19:22
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1. Genesis - God
2. Yes - God's Deputy
3. Jethro Tull - Probably the best "human" band there ever was, all around... (Genesis and Yes being inhuman - Godly)
4. Gentle Giant - No one can even come close to the sheer complexity and musical genius this band has created... Even the gods didn't create music just as intellegent as these guys...
5. Dream Theater - You can talk all you want about KC and ELP, but its a matter of taste. I prefer Dream Theater. I think they are much more innovative, plus they are technically, emotionaly, and in every way basically, better musicians than anyone else...
Some more noticable giants:
~King Crimson, I guess for.. "Inventing" progressive rock, and released a couple of other great albums
~Camel, they have came up with some kind of magic formula blending simple, easy to remember melodies with outstanding complexity and depth. I adore them for this... Easy to listen, but without losing any of the complexity...
~ELP, I guess they must be good because other people like them alot... I don't... Tarkus has it's moments, besides that... I don't like em...
 ~Pink Floyd, same deal... I dont like them at all... Every time I hear them I feel like killing myself, but they are so boring that I just fall asleep before I get a chance to actually kill myself... But they are so popular, I guess they must be good to some extent...  ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 22:05
thanks hahah... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 22:47
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There is no big five.
Progressive music is to broad to be summarised to five bands.
but my 2 cents:
1: Yes, the ultimate progressive band, managed to reach the non-prog music listeners also.
2: Pink Floyd, don't like them very much myself, but they reached the masses and opened the road for many bands that where more daring.
3. Magma: from the french isle of rock music, they've gone where no band has gone before, creating a complete new subdivision of space rock and jazz rock and mingle it with classical music.
4. Genesis: brilliant music, with occasional nice singing (improved after Gabriel left)
5. Dream Theater: I don't like their music, but they did what an entire generation of prog lovers hoped for, they brought prog back into the equation. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2006 at 23:10
and for the trifecta quote... nice list... though by your description.. you could have put ELP in place of Yes.. and no one would have been the wiser... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: theblastocyst
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 02:23
| The big 4 are Yes, Genesis, King Crimson and Pink Floyd. The fifth is a tie between ELP and Tull. This is just based on supergroup status. My Top five favorites out of the supergroups are Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Camel and Gentle Giant (even though the last two unfourtunately never got the respect they deserved |
Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 03:48
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The big 5 supergroups???... I think there's more than 5 but... well, here's my list... YES GENESIS KING CRIMSON CAMEL ELP Peace & love... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 07:32
And the winners are:
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 07:45
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A supergroup status you would have to take into account public awareness, concert and album sales ect. It is nothing to do with personal taste. Therefore the top five is
Genesis wouldn't make the list in the truest proggiest sense. They only sold out tours and had megastardom as a pop band, not as a prog band so they can't be included! |
Posted By: Liquid Len
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 12:34
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Personal opinion based on nothing more than taste,
1st division
Genesis
Yes ELP PFM VDGG
2nd division Jethro Tull Pink Floyd Gentle Giant Greenslade King Crimson
3rd division
Camel
Caravan
Focus
Tangerine Dream
Gryphon ------------- Can you tell me where my country lies? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 12:45
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I just realised I hadn't posted here yet... OK, if we consider the "founding fathers" of prog, then I would have to say: King Crimson Yes Genesis (though not a big fan) ELP Pink Floyd Jethro Tull (as a sixth member of the elite) Of course, if we want to include other influential bands from the early Seventies, each embodying a different take on prog, I'd have to mention VdGG, Gentle Giant, Caravan, Camel, Focus and some of the Italian bands. Rush, as much as I love them, came somewhat later... and please, please, please, no DT!!! |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 14:45
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It's pretty clear that Pink floyd, Yes and Genesis are the big THREE, since almost everybody mentions them in their replies. Then we've got KC, Rush, ELP and Jethro tull as the four to compete for the last places. VDGG and GG i donät see as competition to these, no matter how good they may be. I don't know, personally i'd put Jethro and ELP on there, instead of King Crimson (but i've never been a fan of ITCOTCK, so i guess that many will disagree). |
Posted By: Fat_Trace
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 17:51
Pretty much agree with all of this 'cept maybe I would have Floyd higher in the list, although thinking about the time period they would have Barret with at this time who Did Not do prog. I would have include Caravan though ------------- http://www.LaserMyWords.com/"> 
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 08:47
| the big 3 thats easy............Pink Floyd, Tangerine Dream and Frank Zappa. |
Posted By: ryba
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 08:52
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yes
rush
genesis
vdgg
ursiny
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 09:40
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The Big 5 seems to be the five most succesful of the early 70s prog bands: Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, ELP and Jethro Tull... ...IMHO, it's defenitely arguable. The 5 prog acts (Listed in PA, including proto-prog and prog related.) who have sold the most (In the US, RIAA is the only ones who keeps track on sold units in their country as far as I know.): The Beatles (168 millions), Pink Floyd (73), Queen (31.5), Rush (24.5) and Genesis (21.5) My own top 5 (atm) is: Genesis, Amon Düül II, Steve Hackett, Yes and ELP |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:26
I'm sure as heck not an expert on the 'krautrock' scene though I really dig it.... but have seen several sites refer to Amon Duul II as one the most important and influential groups that you may have never heard of... epecially the Joe-Six Packs of the musical listeners of the world. Nice shout out... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:32
A matter of taste, Micky , even very subjective ... did you know that Rush also influenced the Krautrock scene  .................. !
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Posted By: blazko
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:42
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In my opinion, the Big 5 supergroups are: King Crimson Soft Machine Van Der Graaf Generator Caravan ELP ------------- -=B=- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:45
hahah.. never heard that before... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Thyme Traveler
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 20:00
What about... Queen, Triumph, and ....
George Michael ------------- Fire up the flux capacitor ! We're taking this Delorean through all four dimensions. What is the future of prog ? Genesis reunion ? I'm not telling!That could upset the thyme/space continuum. |
Posted By: spacecraft
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 20:23
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Aren't super groups made out of musicians who were in otjher bands and formed to become massive (or super). Using this context ELP would be first and that's it, however Transatlantic would be laughed out the door.
UK would probably be next, King Crimson wouldn't count as they have had 30 million different musicians in there.
So there you have it, a definitive 2 super groups in prog rock.............but no, someone else may talk some sh*t. ------------- To Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 20:26
hahah... no one here would do that... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: July 29 2006 at 00:43
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Top of the Top of the 70's are (in no particular order):
King Crimson / Genesis / Van Der Graaf Generator
When I am saying "best", I normally mean "I like most" as opposed to "other people think"
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 02:29
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1. Yes
2. ELP
3. Pink Floyd
4. Genesis
5. King Crimson
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 08:47
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Only Pink Floyd is a super group like Beatles and Stones... ------------- My Webpages: http://www.goblinx.com.br/en - http://www.goblinx.com.br/en http://grobsch.deviantart.com - http://grobsch.deviantart.com |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 11:26
| Were'nt 'ASIA' the first supergroup. I remember them being billed as such by the press in the early 80's! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 16:15
No, the first Prog Supergroup (As a team created from members that came from other Groups) was ELP:
BTW: There were several Supergroups before ASIA, probably the most notorious after ELP was UK. Iván -------------
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 18:36
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No Ivan, the first supergroup was Cream !
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Posted By: spacecraft
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 19:22
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What famous group was Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce in? Before Cream. Clapton wasn't exactly a huge name back then, it is noted by most observors that ELP (all members had some success) were the first supergroup, and not Cream, who. by the way, aren't prog...but in this place you never know. ------------- To Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 19:26
| Cream was more progressive and influential than many bands on this site! |
Posted By: spacecraft
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 19:40
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Noted, but they were not a supergroup. ------------- To Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 19:41
not to stick my big nose in uninvited... not that that's ever stopped me... but surely you are not saying that Cream was not a supergroup are you. Please.. say it ain't so brother... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: spacecraft
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 19:43
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Not in the way ELP wer, all 3 came from successful bands, who all had major releases and hits, Much as i like Cream and their members, the same cannont be said of Cream. ------------- To Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 19:54
dude.... wrong.... hahahha "Cream could be viewed as the first rock supergroup to become superstars, although none of the three members were that well-known when the band formed in mid-1966. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:8i6cmpn39f1o - Eric Clapton had the biggest reputation, having established himself as a guitar hero first with http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:17d6vw9va9qk - the Yardbirds , and then in a more blues-intensive environment with http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:jtkbu3y5an2k - John Mayall's Bluesbreakers . (In the States, however, he was all but unknown, having left http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:k86gtq8ztu4o - the Yardbirds before "For Your Love" made the American Top Ten.) Bassist/singer http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:xye997i7krst - Jack Bruce and drummer http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:0ec1z85ajyv8 - Ginger Baker had both been in http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:8tnsa93gy23d - the Graham Bond Organisation , an underrated British R&B combo that drew extensively upon the jazz backgrounds of the musicians. Bruce had also been, very briefly, a member of http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:tghe4jj70waq - the Bluesbreakers along http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:evsxlffe5cqo - Clapton , and also briefly a member of http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A17D846AB7720C0972C4CC8AE7CD208D24FEE8B126E4450C8A93F19D90875E268CF95CAAEF975AB7BAFFF28E85D05D6C8E452FBCC0640&sql=11:87d1vwmva9qk - Manfred Mann when he became especially eager to pay the rent." stolen from Allmusic so I don't waste any more time on this hahahahha All three were legends in the music scene, amoung other musicians, in England before Cream formed... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: spacecraft
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:06
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Once again, noted, but not as major hits as the ELP members had, critically acclaimed, but not major players. ------------- To Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:13
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He's from Mars and we are from Venus, Micky, I will ask dr. Phil to dedicate a programm to this topic !
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 30 2006 at 20:13
I give up brother.... try doing a bit of research man..do some research on Graham Bond, or the John Mayalls Bluesbreakers.. you may find that they dwarfed the 'major player' status you are putting on the individual member of ELP. Anyway you won't find a bigger ELP fan here than me but you're heading down that slipperery slope of insane fanboy than I have personal disgust for.. .regardless of the group.  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 08:50
Yep, they went back to the late 60s and early 70s via a time machine and influenced bands like Guru Guru or Dzyan .------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 08:55
| *sigh* Rush were formed in 1969. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 13:57
*Sigh*. Their first album was released in 1973. I sincerely doubt the first German bands even knew of their existence. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 14:06
| Rush did an extensive German tour in 1969 (still without Neil Peart), you should ask Edgar Froese about that, Baldfriede! |
Posted By: pirkka
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 14:20
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I do think that Cream was a supergroup, no doubt but come on! So is ELP.
Lake was in King Crimson (ITCOTCK)
Emerson was in The Nice
Palmer was in Atomic Rooster (almost with Jimi Hendrix)
All these bands had a status in proto-prog/ prog and some even condsider ITCOTCK to be the first prog album ever. IMO it was the first Symphonic prog album. Anyway: three members from big bands -> first supergroup of prog!
Pirkka
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 02:06
And they influenced him so much that Tangerine Dream sound like a copy of Rush. Nuts. Also I don't know where you got that from, but I rather doubt that a band that has not even published an album will cross the ocean to tour Germany. With what money? And with what expectations? Do you have any idea about the costs of a tour, especially overseas? Hard to believe, unless you can back it up with something. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 02:25
The Graham Bond Organisation also had a young Jon Hiseman (later forming Colosseum) on the drums replacing Ginger Baker when he left.Here is an intersting link I discovered whilst checking that on Google:
http://www.makingtime.co.uk/gbo.html - http://www.makingtime.co.uk/gbo.html
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 02:37
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1.Pink Floyd
2.Tool 3.Fates Warning 4.Queensryche 5.Dream Theater |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 05:06
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BaldFriede, verstehen Sie Spass?
You are a Krautrock expert and you know a lot about music but I presumed you don't know much about Rush so I teased you a little bit with some 'fantasy stories' about Rush ... thanks for your inspired reaction |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 07:49
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Yes
Van der Graaf Generator
Genesis
Gentle Giant
King Crimson.
It's my 2 cents.
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 11:56
With hair like this they deserve to be in top 5. Was their hair stylist taking the piss. Anyway, my personal top 5:
VdGG
Hawkwind
Quicksilver Messenger Services
Gong
Man
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