Mars Volta Amputechture rating
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Topic: Mars Volta Amputechture rating
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Subject: Mars Volta Amputechture rating
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 00:51
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I just checked the page on that newly released album, I've noticed the vote who is the pwerson who voted one star?, has that person listened to the album, looks more like a grudge vote. Thats the frustrating thing when people have something against a certain band and give them a bad vote not on the merit of their music but because they don't want them on the prog archives. I wonder who gave the five star as well, have they heard the album yet?. So far I only trust the vote that gave it four stars. I want to know honestly whose actually heard the album and what they think of it. Is it an improvement on Frances or what? ------------- |
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Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 00:58
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I totally agree...You can listen to Viscera Eyes on their myspace account. I was very impressed by it to say the least. The first one is the first part of the song and the one below it is the rest of the song. http://www.myspace.com/themarsvolta - www.myspace.com/themarsvolta ------------- "Science is all metaphor"-Timothy Leary [IMG]http://freespace.virgin.net/martin.jones10/amonpic.jpg">[IMG]http://imagegen.last.fm/red/artists/Yeti316.gif"> |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:03
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cool, I'll check that out. Unfortunately It hasn't been released in NZ, probably a week or. I'm looking forward to hearing their new stuff, they're a very fresh sounding act, I think the future of prog to a large extent lies in these guys. ------------- |
Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:06
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The album is already out online. I grabbed it earlier, I haven't listened yet.
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:07
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Reviews should not be allowed before the album is actually released. It's possible that he has heard the album (although it's not likely), but if he did he did so illegally, and we don't want to encourage that. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:09
When you do tell us what you think of it  .------------- |
dagrush wrote:Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:10
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Listening to Viscera Eyes on their myspace page, sounds a lot more pyschedelic than their previous efforts, which is a good thing. I've also noticed Omar is on synths.
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:15
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Hey, Viscera Eyes is all music. And it's not as incredibly repetitive as songs like L'Via L'Viaquez were. Cool. I might actually buy Amputechture. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:19
Agreed, it's probably just some troll who thinks they aren't Prog or something. I know I can wait until it comes out, I don't download really anymore anyways. Are people just not a bit patient anymore? ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 02:01
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why are people reviewing albums before you even know the album...
probably explains why there are 7 reviews.. and not a damn word said
about the album... great job guys
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 02:24
peoples secret agandas, some are fanatics that want TMV high in the top 100 list while others want them out. It really sucks when people do this because no one who sees its rating will have a good idea how good the music is. I agree with the person that said earlier on this forum that albims should not be reviewed until they're released, (perhaps also) and/or actually listened to in its entirity in more than one listening. ------------- |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 02:36
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well i eviewed it. I've had it for a good week which isn't long. But it's all I've lsitened to. I'veh eard it a good 20 times AT LEAST and pobably much more. My review is accurate to how I feel I promise. It's a great album. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 02:39
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Great, thanks Kingvolta, I just read your review, I glad to here that the music is more tighter on this album. ------------- |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 02:42
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yes it's a very good album. I wish people'd actually write reviews...long enough to be submitted. It's an album worth many words so I'm not sure what everyone's up to. As for that one star review--it probably was a 70s junkie judging by this site but I will say there are many Volta fans that aren't happy with this release because it's so different...who knows? Either way it didn't deserve it... ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 03:04
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Here's my review. I don't want to put it on the site because I've only heard it once and probably did a bad job describing it, but here it is: http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/journal/2006/07/10/176297/ - http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/journal/2006/07/10/176297/ ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/">
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 03:07
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that's not too far off i suppose. i'd still give it a bit more time. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: YYZed
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 11:03
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Well the album has been leaked for about a week. So it is quite possible that someone has listened to it and is ready to review it.
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 13:03
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how on earth is the possesive of "it"- its, i need you to prove that for me
Aaron
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 13:04
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frankly votes shouldn't count unless a review of x amount of words comes along with it
Aaron
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 13:54
Ratings without review should not be accepted at all. As to the number of words - 50 words review sometimes can be more informative than 500, so it should not be taken into consideration.
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 14:01
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yeah, but some effort and thought needs to be put into it. a review could simply say "this album sucks" and be no more helpful than a rating without a review. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Spiderprog
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 22:00
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The album is an incredible triumph. There are tracks in it such as "Day of the Baphomets" that are, in my opinion, some of the best prog music ever recorded. The compositions are so complex and the orchestration is so dense... I think it's their best album and establishes them as the most creative and advanced band currently active. With this album they joined my personal pantheon of prog which includes Yes, Genesis, VDGG and Banco. I can't wait to see them perform this live...  |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: July 10 2006 at 22:27
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=its - Link "It's" is the contraction for "it is."
Some people thought I was just being an elistist grammar snob jerk, but they were wrong; there actually are people who just don't know. Grammar really should be a seperate class in more schools. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Myxomatosis
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 00:01
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I'm not ready to write a review yet. I've had this album for several days now and have given it several listens. This one is going to divide the hardcore fans big time. It's such a grand prog album. One of the best in a while. These guys are the new wave of YES/Criomson. ------------- Look around...Choose your own ground |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 00:09
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Has the album been formally released yet?
If not, then delete all ratings until it's released.
This pisses me off. I don't care if it's exactly the same as the one that will come out, but if it's not been formally released and people start reviewing it, I think the album should be taken off PA. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 00:53
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No, stonebeard, it's not released until August 22. I agree; there is no reason for this album to be on PA until it is released. king volta's is the only good review, and I'm sure that he has it saved somewhere else. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 01:02
I agree fully. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 04:56
Oh yeah, and "separate" contains two "a", as well.
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 05:20
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It's pretty strange that any kind of illegal activities are not allowed on the forum, yet people are free to review albums that haven't been released yet, albums they've illegally downloaded. Delete all the reviews now, this album is not out yet. This should also be the common procedure with all future releases. As it is, Prog Archives does accept illegal downloading, whatever fancy words you admins write here on the forums. |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 05:32
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So it is officially released on 22 August, can't wait, is that a global release or just a US/Europe release? ------------- |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 12:03
right right, i think i use it correctly now that i think of it
but i do agree with you, grammar should be a separate class
Aaron
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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 14:01
I'm in Canada, it's not illegal here. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/">
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 16:01
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it reminds me a lot of Tremulant EP. I don't see anything that HOOKS me as much as anything on the first two albums but then that might be good, I found they both suffer from overplaying.
guy's really evolving as a guitar player, we can't just call him Fripptana anymore. |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:31
I do as well.
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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:42
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I think people deserve to know ahead of time whether or not this album is any good. Having listened to it twice, I can honestly say that if I'd [waited and] spent the $20 on the CD I'd feel pretty ripped off. That's a good-sized bag of weed right there that could have seen me through Syd Barrett's entire Discography. And most review sites don't do a good job of reviewing albums --- they let the craze get to them. It's how bands like Green Day and Blink 182 managed to last so long. Hype rules all, and on Prog Archives I think it's a good thing when people get to decide ahead of time what's worth their money and what isn't. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 20:10
Not the way the orchestra plays...
 1. CDs (just like movies) are sometimes released first outside the "world" (Europe/North America) for several merchandise reasons.
2. In the case of new CDs, many bands (or labels) intentionally let them leak to feel the wrist of future buyers and also to guarantee a bunch of positive reviews (generally those first to review are die hard fans and the ratings are high).
3. That way, not all copies are illegal and not all reviewers are acting illegally.
Hence, the Admins, Collabs and Forum Members of PA use to do a research before shooting astray with the danger not only missing the target but hitting innocent people.
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Posted By: kingofbizzare
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:43
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Even if an album isn't "out" yet, that doesn't mean you can't get a legal copy of it. For example, my local new/used vinyl and CD shop almost always has copies of an album for sale the Friday before it's "officially" released. I bought the new Muse album on Friday, even though it technically wasn't released until today. I'm sure other places do this too.
I think reviews of an album should be allowed within a week before it's release. Legal copies of it can be found around that time and it'll give people who downloaded it earlier time to digest it more and be able to give an accurate review. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingofbizzare/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:47
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Well, promo copies are legal copies to a degree. You can't sell or trade them (or at least we couldn't when I was working at a student radio station), but they are formally released by the company, unlike leaked illegal copies. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 11 2006 at 23:38
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What is it about August 22nd? Three albums are coming out that day that I want. Gov't Mule's new one, White Willow's new one and now TMV's new one. Weird! It shall be a busy end of month for me! As for reviews, I agree with Stonie, et al., albums shouldn't be reviewed before an album has been released, unless someone has officially been sent a promotional copy (because they're a reviewer or something). -------------   
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:20
That's all wrong in this case, I'm afraid. The Mars Volta have published one song - Viscera Eyes - on their MySpace site. Obviously they wanted to give the public a little taste of what to expect. But not the whole album! They have NOT and will NOT let the album leak intentionally. All leaks are illegal. Yes, you're probably right that it depends on the case but in this case all reviews and ratings should be deleted. Until that Prog Archives officially accepts illegal downloading. No matter what you say. If that's fine, then so be it. But please, if you delete everything that is even remotely related to illegal file sharing activities here on the forum, at least act consistently and do so on the main site as well. Otherwise it's just ridiculous and seriously affects your credibility, at least in my eyes. Nothing personal here, Atkingani. Just how I feel. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:31
I understood, Logos and the information contained in your post is part of the research I've asked for. So no "official leak" occured.
But didn't some people received an advanced promo for review purposes? I've met some situations like that here in PA (not for this case)... that's my doubt. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:34
It's a day before my birthday, so maybe they all want me to buy their albums?  ------------- 
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:39
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Basically, I'm really hyped about this album! Me and a few of my friends a huge volta fans, it's basically going to be pure manna! -------------  
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 14:14
I really don't think that's the case with these reviews; however, even if it is, the people who actually have legally listened to the album can simply repost their reviews once it is officially released. At this point it appears that PA condones listening to leaks, since the average viewer will assume that those reviews simply listened to the links as very, very few people receive advance review copies, especially this early. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 17:04
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Progarchives does not condone illegal activity. Indeed, we are often criticised for our attempts prevent file sharing on our site.
We are not however in position to judge how people come into possession of the albums they review. If people chose to indulge in illegal activity outwith the site, that is up to them.
As far as Progarchives is concerned, we wish to add information on new releases as soon as it becomes available. If people chose to submit reviews of those albums before their official release date in their country that is up to them. We are not in a position to monitor when albums are released in different countries, or who has advance copies, promos etc.
Those submitting such reviews should be aware though that if they have indulged in illegal activity, submitting a review may offer a useful pointer to the authorities that they have done so.
If we become aware of any attempts at manipulation of the ratings, these will be dealt with per the existing rules.
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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: July 12 2006 at 17:27
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^^^It makes sense!!! ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 22:03
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First 10,000 Days, now this. I too felt uneasy about seeing a
review on the main page - it's not like the release date is even that
close, it's 5 weeks away! But here's an attempt not to be
US-centric - Aug. 22 is the US release date, anyone know if there are
earlier release dates in other countries? At least if the site
waited until that date to add the entry it could put a patina of
credibility on the whole matter of legal/illegal - but like the admins
stated, it's a lot of extra work trying to pin down release dates over
all the world to satisfy this criteria. This being said, having early reviews on the site is pretty tame - it does not condone illegal downloading nor does it reference any means of obtaining such, so there's really little harm I suppose. |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: July 13 2006 at 23:33
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I think that you should take everyone's review with a grain of salt. We are all human.
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: July 14 2006 at 04:54
The first high quality leaks almost always come from promos (I don't know about this one because it's a bit of an odd encoding). So if it's been leaked, it's almost certain that a significant number of people also have legal copies too. Which means that any review could potentially be legitimate! |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: July 17 2006 at 20:47
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just a thought. the person that runs the TMV myspace is the same person that runs the Comatorium forums and knows the band. take into account that over at the Comatorium forums they have a whole section labled "Spoiler" for peoplewho download the leak and listen to it and talk in the spoiler section of the forum. this person put viscera eyes on the myspace and runs the spoiler forum under the eyes of the band members themselves. i'm pretty sure if the mars votla catred so much about the leak than it wouldn't happen. the band hated the frances leak because it was such bad quality. this leak is near perfect quality and will not badly reflect what the realy album will sound like at all--it is virtually the same if you edit out the silence added by encrypting AAC files to mp3. delete the silence and you have the real amputechture! and if it bothers people THIS MUCH i promise my review is accurate and also that i will be buying probably more than one copy of the album when it releases =) alright i'm done ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 18 2006 at 03:25
| But often it's not the band who own the copyright, it's the record label. The fact that the band doesn't mind, or even condones the leak, does not make it legal. |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: July 18 2006 at 12:21
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I know it's the fact that they are on a major record label otherwise leaks wouldn't be a big deal at all. I really hate their record label (Universal) because it seems that they have done nothing but pester the band. GSL is alright though and I believe that GSL is and indie label however I cannot remember. Anyways I was just trying to throw it out there that those of us that download the leak aren't like commiting the ultimate sin or anything. We're just excited to hear new music from one of our favorite bands. And by the way it's safe to assume that at least 70% of those that download the leak will get the reall thing--especially because of the Mars Volta's stress on artwork (not really "stress" but their artwork is a part of the overall experience) and also because the leak is most likely not the "final" version though this time it is very close...the only thing i can possibly hear being doen is volumizing and having the flows being fixed. Otherwise the leak IS the album...anyways I just don't like getting the rat because some people download a readily availible leak. It's not much consolation, but I'm happy with my review I suppose (I wish the others would write good reviews !!!) and I'm happy because I know that I will be buying a few copies when the album comes out--and I will be trying to get a vinyl pressing so that = three...the band gets their money from me (I also have T-shirts and two single 10" and Scabdates on vinyl...and I'm looking to get the other two studio albums on vinyl too...). Anyways I just wanted to point out that at least some of us leak-downloadeds aren't looking for trouble or to be screamed at. Also I'm not much worried if the reviews are deleted or not--I had planned to edit mine when the album came out anyways (it opens up witrh "this album hasn't been released yet..."). Anyways, cheers to all and enjoy the new album whenever you choose to get it. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: Gog/Magog
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 07:57
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Well seeing as the release date has been put back to September due to the leak, they are either remixing or re-recording parts of the album, so all the reviews on here are now defunct! -------------  |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: August 07 2006 at 08:08
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