Kansas-Leftoverture
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Topic: Kansas-Leftoverture
Posted By: WaywardSon
Subject: Kansas-Leftoverture
Date Posted: June 03 2006 at 22:43
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It was extremely difficult to choose one here, but in the end I went with The Wall. Maybe the great lyrics just gave it the edge. |
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 03 2006 at 22:50
I go with Miracles Out of Nowhere, probably the Kansas song where Robby's voice blends better with Steve Walsh's, the part :
Hey there Mister Madman, what' ya know that I don't know
Tell me some crazy stories, let me know who runs this show Simply gives me goosebumps. The middle instrumental section is incredsibly beautiful, mixing the strenght of Hard Rock with the nostalgia of Prog Rock expressed perfectly with the violin of Mr Steindhart in a way no other band did better.
A masterpiece.
Iván ------------- 
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RycheMan wrote:Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: June 03 2006 at 22:57
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Cheyenne Anthem. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:06
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Cheyenne Anthem ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Progdrummer05
Date Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:24
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To me all the songs are great but i'm gonna go with Magnus Opus just becuase it so sick and complex with all the time signature changes and crazy violen ------------- Carry On My Wayward Son |
Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:45
| Miracles Out of Nowere really wakes my feelings up, and it has really fine melodies. I like the entire album, but this is my favourite song. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:56
| I'll go with "Miracles Out of Nowhere" as well. Fantastic vocals, stunning instrumental parts and great lyrics as well. Easily the best track on the album. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 00:00
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A tough choice between "The Wall", "Cheyenne Anthem", and "Carry On Wayward Son". I went with "The Wall" because of it's overwhelming beauty and Walsh's passionate vocals. I love the ending, too. Great song! Great album! Definitely should rank higher than some of the mutts I've seen on the Top 100.
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 00:28
it was close , I will go with Cheyenne Anthem 
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 00:32
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BTW if Kansas can evoke so many "feelings" and do all these "wonderful" things to your senses through their songwriting skills and musicality then why are they not mentioned at all in the top 100 albums on this site ? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 00:34
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Interesting, the three Latins (Raffaella, Rorro and myself) voted for Miracles Out of Nowhere, probably the most melodic track of the album and Guigo went for another melodic song (Cheyenne Anthem), seems that ethnic origins influence our taste for music.
BTW: I agree with E-Dub, Leftoverture should rank much higher, but some progheads don't forgive that they are not Bristish and a few are ashamed to admit the like the band.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 01:00
| Cheynne Anthem. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 01:54
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<<BTW if Kansas can evoke so many "feelings" and do all these "wonderful" things to your senses through their songwriting skills and musicality then why are they not mentioned at all in the top 100 albums on this site ? it is a shame that this is one of the better prog sites on the net because it has so many issues , we keep pointing them out meanwhile non prog bands clog the top 100 and its getting worse every day. Kansas Leftoverture should be in the top 100 I am not saying this because I like Kansas so much I am saying this because Kansas Leftoverture is in a special class of prog , if you don`t think so then listen to it again>>
And when you see some of the bands who are in the top 100 (and I'm not mentioning any names because I don't want to hack people off), it makes one scratch their head in disbelief. You try to search for a reason from so many perspectives, but it doesn't add up. Part of me thinks, "Well, maybe it's because their material became more pop during the 80's" Well, if that's the reason, then take Genesis and Yes right off. They possess everything that makes a prog band great; yet, they're not even mentioned. Not even a classic like Leftoverture. The list is in a dreadful need of revisions. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 01:58
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<<BTW: I agree with E-Dub, Leftoverture should rank much higher, but some progheads don't forgive that they are not Bristish and a few are ashamed to admit the like the band.>>
And not only that, but they're from midwest America and not from New York or Los Angeles. As a matter of fact Kerry Livgren still lives in Topeka, KS, which is only an hour west from where I live. He's even given his testimony at a church about a mile from my house. I think Walsh is from St. Joseph, MO (where Jesse James was killed), which is about an hour north of me. E -------------
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Posted By: Tasartir
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 08:15
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I went with magnum opus, although I haven't heard this album much in a long long time the only song that sticks to my mind still is magnum opus. ------------- ...Histoires Sans Paroles... |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:57
As for Kansas not rating higher because they're not British, I can say fairly confidently that is not the reason. That said, I do know for a fact that there are many European, and particularly British prog fans who have listened to very little Kansas, and who do seem to be predisposed to dismiss the band as gauche, crass, sophmoric, etc. (not my words, I've seen them all used in reviews here and elsewhere). Since people's musical listening habits are not government or church regulated, at least not in most countries, there's not much to be done to change this. A bigger issue, as is belabored in these forums on a fairly regular basis, is the slanted curve used to rate the top-XXX albums. Since a logrithm formula is used to determine position, emphasis is on quantity slightly more than on quality. For example - The top-rated American album is Dream Theater's 'Scenes From a Memory...' at #16. That album has an overall rating of 4.26, or one one-hundredth higher than Leftoverture (4.25), which is currently listed in 123rd place (Point of Know Return is actually rated higher than either of these at 4.27 but is listed in 195th place). So - #16 Dream Theater (Scenes From a Memory) - 4.26 #123 Kansas (Leftoverture) - 4.25 #195 Kansas (Point of Know Return) - 4.27 Dream Theater's album actually has more review ratings of 1 or 2 stars than Leftoverture has total ratings. ANother interesting note is that all three albums have 83% of their reviews rating them as 4 or 5 stars. The big difference? 'Scenes' has 385 total reviews, while Leftoverture has only 80 and 'Point' has only 52. There's also a lot of abuse going on with people giving ratings but no review to justify why. For example, the percentage of ratings of these three albums that have an accompanying review of 200 words or more: #16 Dream Theater (Scenes From a Memory) - 27% #123 Kansas (Leftoverture) - 48% #195 Kansas (Point of Know Return) - 54% So pretty much everyone who's been on the forums for a while (or understands logrithmic math) knows that simply entering a bunch of ratings without bothering to write a review will inflate an album's position. I think you'll find that's how a lot of the Top-100 albums got there (not all - many of them are just damn good albums). I actually take comfort in knowing that Kansas fans take the high road and don't adopt this practice just to get their albums high on the list. Frankly, I've said many times that we should get rid of that damn list and focus on rating reviews instead. But, whatever..... (edit - darn, I keep forgetting these -  ,  , and  ).------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 13:14
Miracles Out Of Nowhere.... though I don't really like that album
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 13:23
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ClemofNazareth I agree with your post completely
Great Post!
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 22:29
Thanks. I'm working my way through the top-250 to calculate what the rankings would be if we only considered ratings where people actually took the time to review them. Pretty interesting so far. The albums where people have padded ratings are pretty obvious. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: TOD KREMER
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 07:00
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The album is a classic. All the songs are excellent to me. I cannot pick a fave. ------------- Stand up to the blow that fate has struck upon you. Make the most of all you still have coming to you... |
Posted By: Enserune_Sparks
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 01:04
cheyenne anthem
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 02:27
They aren't though to pick.
 Should be interesting
 Favoirte from Lefty would be "Magnum Opus" a great peice of classic Kansas material. "Carry on..." would be second for its personal hitsory.  ------------- 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 06:31
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A toss up between "The Wall" and "Cheyenne Anthem". I went with "The Wall".
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 08:34
| The Wall |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 09:42
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Magnum Opus. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 14:14
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Tough poll! I went with Miracles Out Of Nowhere. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
Posted By: PaperDuck
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 16:37
| Magnum Opus by a landslide! Then again, I tend not to enjoy Kansas's lyrics, so it makes sense that the most complex largely-instrumental song should be my favorite. It also seems to have a more... I hesitate to use the word "mature" sound, but that is what I think the rest of the album seems to be lacking. While the rest of the album (with the exceptions of the not very prog songs Wayward Son and What's On My Mind) seems cartoony and preachy at the same time, Magnum Opus is both complex and somehow seems to have better tone. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 16:47
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Magnum Opus followed by Miracles for me - while the music is superb, I do agree with the comments about the lyrics... ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Yito
Date Posted: October 30 2006 at 17:48
"Magnum Opus" is fantastic, but for me is impossible don't vote for "The Wall"
------------- Psalm 96 1 Sing to the LORD a new song; sing to the LORD, all the earth. |