Biggest Prog Tragedy
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Topic: Biggest Prog Tragedy
Posted By: WaywardSon
Subject: Biggest Prog Tragedy
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:25
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Of these departures, which one still makes you want to break down and cry? Mine is Fish leaving Marillion |
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:26
| Mine is when Hackett left Genesis and Phil Collins took over and destroyed them. So I voted other. |
Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:28
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Syd Barrett going completely *bonkers* and as such being forced to leave PF was quite a tragedy I think. ------------- 
Jesus never managed to figure out the theremin either |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:31
It wasn't all Collins fault that Genesis got crappy, it was the whole bands fault, understand??  ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:33
Agreed  I'm tired of reading this. IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT! AAAR! -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: clairvoyant
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:33
EXACTLY. Tony Banks still wrote the biggest portion of their material after Hackett left... |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:36
Yeah but It was Collins who direct them, on a interview I saw with him it was he who got them to write those daft love songs.  ------------- |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:43
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Mike Rutherford was a pretty poppy guy too, just like Collins! Im not sure about Banks though.. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:45
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Granted, he had taken total control but if only they could've slapped Roger back into shape.......
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 20:59
Fish leaving marillion and morse leaving the beard...though i still like some of SB output after he left...its hard for me to say that about Marillion  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 21:30
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I like Steve Hogarth so I can't say anything about Fish. It would
have to be Genesis because they became irrelevant after Gabriel left.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 21:32
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Only reminding forum posters that calling other person as "idiot" isn't a good manner to have an educated and learning discussion. Agressive posts containing this word to be edited. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 21:45
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Gabriel leaving Genesis. Dont care much for Waters leaving PF because their last two albums (Wall and Final Cut) were crap. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 21:47
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I m y personal oppinion, the worst was when Gabriel left Genesis....
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Posted By: kebjourman
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 21:49
amen
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 22:31
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What about Greg Lake leaving Crimson?
The obvious answer for me is Gabriel (& Hackett!) leaving genesis. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 22:35
It could be, but we have to talk about Lake, Sinfield, Giles leaving Crimson, also Wetton... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 22:38
Steve Howe, Carl Palmer, John Wetton and Geoff Downes forming Asia 
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RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 22:47
darn, you beat me to it!! Def Asia! ------------- 
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 22:54
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Posted By: alioshak
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 23:09
| Definitly Gabriel leaving Genesis... the group missed so much with his departure |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 23:22
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Gabriel leaving Genesis. ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: razifa
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 23:33
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When Gabriel left Genesis there was a tragedy but when Steve Hackett left that was a catastrophe... ------------- ********** **razifa** ********** |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 00:14
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PUNK ROCK! ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 00:26
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Syd being removed from Pink Floyd. The photos with him hiding in the background of the band tear me in half. |
Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 00:31
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I have to agree with the mob here. Easy call for Genesis.
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Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 01:06
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Interesting poll.. I choose easily Peter Gabriel ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 01:07
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Peter Leaving Genesis Also Trevor Rabin Joining Yes
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Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 01:09
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Well, this is a real funny poll, because:
1) The solo work of Fish is very poor, but MARILLION is now better than never!!!
2) Roger didn't leave PINK FLOYD. The band was over, and then Gilmour decided to resuscitate it!
3) SPOCK'S BEARD was being repetitive with only Neal composing the songs. Now the band is showing a new refreshing sound, and it's good!
4) Peter Gabriel was having great ideas, but he couldn't develop this with GENESIS. I think he choosed the best: let the band follow your way, while he gone with his own steps. And the 4 piece band made 3 excellent albuns, before goes into pop... then, Gabriel exit wasn't a disaster!
Then, for me, not one of these happenings wasn't disasters, but natural choices that gave us opportunities to discover new sounds from these incredible artists...
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 01:48
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 02:13
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As I'm more of a Floyd fan than a Genesis one, I'd settle for Waters leaving PF - or whatever really happened. The albums PF made without Waters are pleasant enough to listen to, but they are also rather soulless.
Another, though lesser known, tragedy (according to my personal taste) was Richard Sinclair leaving Caravan. It is no coincidence that the band's best album, "In the Land of Grey and Pink", was the one to which Richard contributed the most - both as a composer and as a vocalist.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 02:13
Anderson and Wakeman leaving Yes..to be replaced by The Buggles
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 03:01
i don't think punk rock was such a tragedy for prog - it gave the rock scene a jolly good kick up the backside!!!  -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 03:14
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Not real tragedies, because the loss of great musicians as Gary Thain, David Byron, Helmut Kollen, Rick Van der Linden, Jeff Porcaro, Keith Moon or John Entwistle among others are real tragedies, so a bit in a less serious mood:
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 03:40
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^^
Yes, the above mentioded losses are the real tragedies.
About the poll I think the departure of Steve Hackett caused more damage than the departure of Gabriel.
The 4-piece Genesis was still very good.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 03:43
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How about Steve Hackett & Steve Howe deciding that instead of writing the greatest prog-rock guitar album ever, they'd get a squeaky voiced singer & release 'GTR' as a horrible AOR album...
Now that was a tragedy! ------------- 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 04:02
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Peter Gabriel... The died of Symphonic Genesis For always yours, Mandrakeroot.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 05:18
It was a tragedy for Syd - but would the band have produced such masterpieces as "Meddle", "DSOTM" or "WYWH" if Syd had remained in the bad, addled or not? Harsh, I know. Likewise, Fish had to leave Marillion - although I wish he'd go back. "Clutching At Straws" really sums up his emotional state at the time, and is noticeably weaker than the predecessors. There's still time for Mr Dick to go back and resurrect Marillion properly - Marbles has shown that they still have the potential. I agree on Genesis being a team effort - the trio clearly wanted to make a few bucks and they did. Maybe they like what they did after "Duke", but I don't. My loss, I suppose. The biggest tragedy for me was the loss of Freddie Mercury - a fabulous and irreplaceable singer with a brilliant musical imagination. True, it took his knowledge of his own impending doom for him to stop mucking about with the pop rubbish and lead the band to come up with "Innuendo", but he was such a great showman - the world will wait a long time before we see his like again. RIP Freddie  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 05:40
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Hackett leaving Genesis, IMO.
I did like ATTWT and Duke; I think they are both excellent albums, but it was clear that the glory days were over. What happened to their music after Duke was the biggest tragedy in rock music history. Period. Also with regard to 80's Genesis, and how they feel about it now. I've heard Banks say that Invisible Touch is the album he is least proud of. He claimed different at the time of it's release, of course and Chester Thompson also said that it got to a point with Genesis where they were so huge, in the mid 80's that 'something was lost' Playing with them seemed to not be the special thing it had been in the 70's. They had become a product. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 06:58
Thanks for the response and editing, I do't like it when the forums turn sour.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 08:17
Agree. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 08:25
Oh yes, I fully agree with you here, don't get me wrong. It was more of a personal tragedy for poor Psychic!Syd than for the band. But a tragedy it remains...
And poor Freddie, indeed. Queen without Freddie = No Queen. -------------
Jesus never managed to figure out the theremin either |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 09:15
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Gabriel AND Hackett leaving Genesis.
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 10:31
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 11:05
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Back in the early 90`s Kansas released a CD called "Live at the whiskey" it was a live CD and musically it was great. The problem that it revealed however was permanent Steve Walsh`s voice was shot ! Since that release Steve Walsh`s vocals have never been the same , he never regained that golden voice he once had (due to a ? life style and constant usage of his voice) .Being a huge Kansas fan that was very disappointing ... definatly a sad situation.
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 11:12
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Owner of a Lonely Heart ------------- 
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Posted By: Dr. Evil
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 13:30
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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 14:12
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Gabriel leaving Genesis was a very sad day for me! ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 15:06
The birth of punk rock in 1976/77
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Posted By: Pneubauer
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 18:05
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^ BAM |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 20:43
Same here...although Waters leaving Floyd was strange and tragic...but Floyd going on without him...thats just bad karma... ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: helofloki
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 00:06
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These bands all turned out fine after these members leaving. Even though I tend to prefer the pre-leaving albums in all cases (except I'm not all that familiar with any Spock's Beard). I chose Roger Waters though. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 01:48
Yes Steve's case was very sad indeed, the abuse of alcohol damaged his vocal chords (Something he has accepted) but also the fact that after he left booze and dope he had surgery and was adviced to leave singing for some time, but he was too eager to get on the road again and didn't took the rest rquired.
Now, that Live at Whiskey shows us a different approach by Kansas, even when they returned to their original music, Steve was passing a poser era and he looked like a caricature of David Lee Roth jumping and making Karate kicks all around the stage, plus the fact that they hired their actual violin player (David Ragsdale) who had a better technique than Robby, but a more Classical/Hard Rock approach leaving behind their country music influences.
Steve should accept his vocalist days are over, he's a great keyboard player and should stick to that, maybe sing one or two tunes (The band could play in a very low tone to help him) and hire a good singer, specially without Robby who was a great support in the vocals..
Iván -------------
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Posted By: White Duck
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 10:24
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-Hackett and Gabriel leaving Genesis
-Barlow,Evan and Palmer leaving Jethro Tull
-Wetton,Cross and Muir leaving King Crimson
-The end of Gentle Giant
And of course the death of master Zappa
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Posted By: crucify_the_ego
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 11:04
| Music reviewers who use the word "epic" as an insult. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 23:08
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What about Steve Howe singing in Beginnings?
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 23:11
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RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 23:30
| Frank Zappa leaving us. |
Posted By: Zenith
Date Posted: May 22 2006 at 16:50
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Peter Gabriel leaving Genesis was indeed a tragedy. ------------- We're only in it for the music!!! |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: May 22 2006 at 21:27
And it needed it.
 Soft rock.
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Posted By: KansasRushDream
Date Posted: May 22 2006 at 22:59
| Gotta be Kevin Moore leaving Dream Theater (for me at least, but not in the big scheme of things of course). |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 22 2006 at 23:32
How could I forget about that??
  RIP Frank
Agree on that too.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 00:48
those of us who love ELP and the Wetton era of King Crimson don't have any complaints hahaha.  mine would be, on a related note, the complete self-destruction of ELP in the late 70's. They were SO MUCH a part of prog during it's heyday. What was one of the most influential, and creative prog groups of the 'golden age' had become a parody of itself and the butt of jokes, and scorn.. still to this day. Even amoung prog fans.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 04:41
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ALL IN THIS LIST
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PUNK MURDERED PROG !!!
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 09:51
Waters leaving Floyd for me... but that should surprise exactly no one. 
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Posted By: _sam_
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 16:45
If punk murdered prog, what are you to say of this site? Prog is still alive!
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I'd have to say Syd Barrett's breakdown was a terrible tragedy, not so much for the fact that he left, as for what happened to him in the process and afterwards...
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 22:51
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In the list, FISH leaving MARILLION... the band really go down (and him too) after this break... FLOYD/WATERS was not so bad musically speaking even GENESIS/GABRIEL... but COLLINS leading GENESIS... that was a tragedy for prof music since they make ATTWT... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 23:37
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With all of these guys, i just don't see it happening any other way. For each person, the band had run its course. They all had to go their own way. Sadly, the remaining bands suffered. Although, I think Floyd did fine with Gilmour at the helm, and Genesis still had a few more good albums in them.
I have to agree with other posts on the true tragedies/abominations, Asia and GTR. How the hell could this much talent produce such drivel? ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 02:56
 to both. ELP's self-destruction (as you very aptly call it) was a real tragedy, as it tainted the band's reputation almost beyond remedy. As to Lake leaving KC, I think he wouldn't have lasted long anyway, with Fripp being such a domineering character and him wanting a bit more of the spotlight. I love the Wetton era of KC as well, but I still think that JW can't hold a candle to GL when it comes to singing. Great bassist too, and what a dish he was when he was younger (Wetton, I mean)...
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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 09:10
Sorry, but this is simply untrue - the band was indeed 'dormant' and probably would have died. But Roger formally served notice that he was leaving, fully expecting the others to just roll over and quit. Instead, it galvanised them into action ..... Personally, I am very sad that Mike Pinder left The Moody Blues. Also, Woolly Wolstenholme left Barclay James Harvest. Neither band were quite the same again. |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 14:15
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Waters leaving the Floyd, after that they just weren't nearly as good. Sure with gilmour in charge the Floyd had some great songs, but nothing like what they had with Waters.
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Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 16:58
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A tragedy by any other name is still a tragedy.
How about Neil Peart losing his wife and daughter? ------------- Some world views are spacious, and some are merely spaced... |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 17:01
Riiiiiiigggghhhhttttt............. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 18:23
right back at ya hahahha.... I guess I agree with you about Wetton
being a dish though I must admit that I hadn't really thought about it
much hahahha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 22:50
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TO SAM:
Re Punk murdering prog,[and I wholeheartedly agree-- mine was an early post on this thread] there has been a' Renaissance'!! ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: Kord
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 05:49
| water sleaving floyd |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 07:06
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Pierre Moerlen dying last year (on May 3rd); he is severely missed by all who know what an incredibly superb musician he was.
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Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 08:38
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I don't think "tragedy" is a word you can use for most of these events...Gabriel's leaving was a sign that they were going different ways, so the chemistry wasn't right anymore, so it was the right thing at the time. The song "Solsbury Hill" explains it pretty well.
I agree that a real tragedy is like Barret's bugging out, Robert Wyatt's paralyzing accident which forced him to give up drumming, Elton Dean's recent death at 60, Lifetime organist Larry Young dying young because of poor hospital treatment for blacks. And Hendrix's death, which (if we are to believe all the people who claim planned collaborations with him) deprived us of albums with Keith Emerson, Gil Evans, Miles Davis, etc. Who knows what trails that guy would have blazed? |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 09:01
for the successive 10 years, of course -------------
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