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Topic: Meshuggah
Posted By: yeppp
Subject: Meshuggah
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 13:34
Just discovered this band couple days ago. I'm not a fan of metal but this is such a great band ! Really original band ! what do you think of it ?



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 13:45
I love them and there is not one single album in their discography that I don't like.Haake's drumming is amazing.

I highly recommend DestroyEraseImprove,Nothing & their brilliant ep I,which is just one long 20+ minute song.


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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 13:54
Excellent forward thinking band.  They have progressively gotten more odd and complex with their rhythms over time.  Their latest, Catch 33, incorporates more soundscapes.  The major drawback to the band is that they do tend to repeat a lot of sections and often you find yourself wishing for change.

Destroy, Erase, Improve
Nothing
Chaosphere

all great albums.


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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 14:05
Destroy, Erase, Improve is sometimes overwhelming. Still having trouble with their addition to PA. An impressive band.


Posted By: SaintVitus
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 14:25
Headbanging and Beerdrinking 

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Posted By: Progshrike
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 15:07
Great Stuff!! I especially like "Chaosphere"

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Posted By: Lex C
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 15:08
Meshuggah is amazing I honestly think that they are the most progressive band out there right now.


Posted By: ProgFan
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 15:10
Meshuggah is good, but I don't like the grunge in their songs


Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 15:17
Mind-boggling time signatures, but no recognizable melody...ever.

Still, they're amazing to listen to.  They're one of those bands that you can never quite keep up with, and just when you think you can, they're a step ahead again.


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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 15:19
Originally posted by yeppp yeppp wrote:

Just discovered this band couple days ago. I'm not a fan of metal but this is such a great band ! Really original band ! what do you think of it ?
Meshuggah
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 15:20
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Mind-boggling time signatures, but no recognizable melody...ever.

Still, they're amazing to listen to.  They're one of those bands that you can never quite keep up with, and just when you think you can, they're a step ahead again.
 
Check out Textures - they just released a new album. They remind me of Meshuggah a lot, but they are much more melodic and diverse. Doesn't mean that they're better than Meshuggah though - I like them both!


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Posted By: helofloki
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 15:30
Meshuggah has the most amazing groove. It gets pulled off so well in the polyrhythmic sections, while the guitars kind of pulse along (not to mention they are ridiculously heavy) and the drums hit hard. Listening to it, I feel like I'm getting thrown around and smashed between smooth undulating surfaces. So awsome.


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:03
As has been observed above, they tend to get repetitive - and I find that where they're not actually repetitive - ie using unusual time signatures and slight changes to rhythms, that it ends up sounding rather samey anyway - but I find that with the minimalist composers like Philip Glass.

The approach to composition of their more recent work is quite interesting in itself - being fairly well rooted in the minimalist school of thought, but I find the whole philosophy too structure focussed rather than musically focussed.

What I mean by that is that there are so few changes in the other elements of music that I get bored quite quickly - I prefer my music to be more rounded.

Having said that, I do like the sound of the brutally heavy soundscape they create - just in small doses.

I understand it's supposed to come across as hypnotic, and can hear how that effect would be created, but I still find Hawkwind and early Metallica more hypnotic - ie the key for a hypnotic feel to me seems to be in simplicity of rhythm with shifts of organic cross rhythms rather than huge swathes of carefully calculated (one might suspect pre-programmed) polyrhythms.

Just my few pennies.

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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:06
One of the heaviest and most complex bands in the world. Meshuggah are possibly my favorite metal/prog-metal band! Destroy Erase Improve and Chaosphere are both brilliant albums and the I EP is awesome too!
 
Recommended albums:
 
 - Destroy Erase Improve
 - Chaosphere
 - Nothing
 - I


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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:31
I can't stop listening to Catch 33.. the quiet moments they've added on that album fully round out the sound, while of course remaining as disharmonious and amelodic as possible! If you've judged them only from their early thrash material then pick up Catch 33 as it is incredibly haunting and delicate in places. Also, the harsh monotone vocals are less present - I understand that they're most offputting for the traditional sympho/space rock fans.

(probably should adapt this into a review)


Posted By: Stars Die
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:34
I can't stand them, Their music is just annoying and gives me a terrible headache, they are an example of how bad things get when bands are just Progressive and forget about melody and writing good songs..

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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:41
Destroy Erase Improve is a great album, very memorable songs which are also technically proficient,
you should also check out Fredrik Thordendal's solo album
Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects - "Sol Niger Within"
I personally feel that its even better than any Meshuggah albums, some dazzling guitar playing on that sucker!


Posted By: Minkia
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 17:59
Meshuggah: now there's an original modern band, whether one calls it prog, frog, metal, whatever. For sheer time signature weirdness and will to be different Meshuggah are the ultimate.

One cannot but admire these guys who have been striving to sound original throughout their discography.

Everyone should check them out...honestly!!   


Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 20:55
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Mind-boggling time signatures, but no recognizable melody...ever.

Still, they're amazing to listen to.  They're one of those bands that you can never quite keep up with, and just when you think you can, they're a step ahead again.
 
Check out Textures - they just released a new album. They remind me of Meshuggah a lot, but they are much more melodic and diverse. Doesn't mean that they're better than Meshuggah though - I like them both!



Just checked them out... Textures definitely get my seal of approval!  Thumbs Up


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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 21:13
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Mind-boggling time signatures, but no recognizable melody...ever.

Still, they're amazing to listen to.  They're one of those bands that you can never quite keep up with, and just when you think you can, they're a step ahead again.
 
Check out Textures - they just released a new album. They remind me of Meshuggah a lot, but they are much more melodic and diverse. Doesn't mean that they're better than Meshuggah though - I like them both!



Just checked them out... Textures definitely get my seal of approval!  Thumbs Up


What Textures cd have you listened to?

If it's Drawing Circles I think that cd is pretty good but their debut Polars is killer.


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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 21:20
I used to like them a lot- but after a while all of their songs started becoming very tedious. They need to differ their songs a bit.


Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 22:03
Great band! Very unique and hypnotic. I can certainly understand how some may not like them, and i sometimes get a little tired with them if i listen for too long, but i find them fantastic none-the-less.

They seem to be getting more and more experimental as well. The polymeters are getting more intense and complex, i believe they're starting to experiment a little more with odd time sigs, as opposed to the old constant 4/4 thing, and they were complex enough with 4/4!

And i second the Sol Niger Within recommendation. I have the original version, and it's completely insane. A less mechanical, avant-gardish Meshuggah. What a trip!


Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 22:41
They were just pretty good up until I and Catch 33, which are two of the most original and intense metal albums I've ever heard and have propelled them into the ranks of my favorite bands.  Tomas Haake is ridiculous.


Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 23:23
They are a great band, but I can't help getting a little aggravated with their relentless heavy music. Other than their last two releases, I can't really get through a full album.
 
But yes, they are ridiculous, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for them.


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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 23:25
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Mind-boggling time signatures, but no recognizable melody...ever.

Still, they're amazing to listen to.  They're one of those bands that you can never quite keep up with, and just when you think you can, they're a step ahead again.
 
Check out Textures - they just released a new album. They remind me of Meshuggah a lot, but they are much more melodic and diverse. Doesn't mean that they're better than Meshuggah though - I like them both!



Just checked them out... Textures definitely get my seal of approval!  Thumbs Up


What Textures cd have you listened to?

If it's Drawing Circles I think that cd is pretty good but their debut Polars is killer.


It was Drawing Circles, but I will check out the other one too, thanks!


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Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 23:38
In my opinion, "I" is the single best progressive metal song ever written. Absolutely stunning. Catch-33 is fantastic too but drags in some places. Though the "Mind's Mirror" may be one of the greatest moments of progressive metal ever. When ever I hear "I" or "Minds", I think to myself that THIS is what so-called prog-metal should sound like.

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Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 23:40
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Mind-boggling time signatures, but no recognizable melody...ever.

Still, they're amazing to listen to.  They're one of those bands that you can never quite keep up with, and just when you think you can, they're a step ahead again.


You're forgetting the 4-note motif that is played at least once during the first 3 or 4 tracks off "Chaosphere". And they DO have melody, listen to "Acrid Plasticity" and the unbelievably uplifting solo to "Sublevels", quite possibly one of the bests solos ever.


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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 23:52
Originally posted by coffeeintheface coffeeintheface wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Mind-boggling time signatures, but no recognizable melody...ever.

Still, they're amazing to listen to.  They're one of those bands that you can never quite keep up with, and just when you think you can, they're a step ahead again.


You're forgetting the 4-note motif that is played at least once during the first 3 or 4 tracks off "Chaosphere". And they DO have melody, listen to "Acrid Plasticity" and the unbelievably uplifting solo to "Sublevels", quite possibly one of the bests solos ever.


And the last minute and a half of "Straws Pulled at Random" from Nothing.  That's some pretty cool use of melody, and almost in a major key!


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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:48
I can listen to some of their stuff from time to time, but quite often I find the songs extremely monotone and never going anywhere... Simply not my taste normally, I guess

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Posted By: apostle
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:53
I think they are a good band but are overrated. They repeat a lot of parts in songs and they sometimes become tedious. Very talented musicians though.

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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 14:12
Originally posted by Minkia Minkia wrote:

Meshuggah: now there's an original modern band, whether one calls it prog, frog, metal, whatever. 


Ladies and gentlemen (as we all know, _mostly_ gentleman),

We have a new subgenre!

Frog Metal!




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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 17:08
Originally posted by apostle apostle wrote:

They repeat a lot of parts in songs and they sometimes become tedious. Very talented musicians though.
Now, that's exactly my point!

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