keef Hartley
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Topic: keef Hartley
Posted By: memellypee
Subject: keef Hartley
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 04:27
| can't find anything on here, surely this is a band that ought to be included........ some really good albums....... |
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 08:11
I agree with you.
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Posted By: memellypee
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 09:54
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I think that these were the only albums as Keef Hartley, and The Keef Hartley Little Big Band..
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 11:33
| You forgot "Lancashire Hustler" (1973), with a rehandled line-up. |
Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 17:18
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Absolutely should be included. The problem is sub-genre; some think (me too) that it should be under Jazz rock/fusion, others are for new category 'prog blues rock' (sounds good). Let me paraphrase it, I think that the time for inclusion is near. ------------- 'Sundown,yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast..... Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.' Bob Dylan |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 17:21
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I am waiting for Geck0 to see this thread.....
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 17:38
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I am here Jody! Yes yes yes, definitely! I have Halfbreed, The Battle of North West 6, The Time is Near and Overdog and I believe they should be included. I started writing a bio for them a while back and I was going to send it to admin, with some MP3s. Maybe if I send the bio in here, people can help me complete it, or help me with it slightly? What I have so far: Keef Hartley Band The Keef Hartley band performed some great jazz/fusion/proto-prog pieces over a series of about 5 albums, I believe they are worthy of inclusion. They started off as a heavier, more blues based band, but always had a unique sound. Later albums became more jazz fuelled, but they still had an element of rock to them. Not everything that they have released is progressive or indeed, jazz or jazz/fusion. I guess the proof is in the listening! Keef Hartley Band history (paraphased from http://alexgitlin.com/khb.htm - with my own additions): Together with Colosseum, the Keef Hartley Band of the late 60s, forged jazz and rock music sympathetically to appeal to the UK progressive music scene. Drummer Hartley had already seen vast experience in live performances as Ringo Starr's replacement in Rory Storm And The Hurricanes. After leaving John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, drummer, Keef Hartley, formed his own band, namely the Keef Hartley Band and this consisted of official and non-official members over a series of 6 albums. Keef Hartley brought in guitarist/vocalist/lyricist Miller Anderson, New Zealand born bassist Gary Thain (later of Uriah Heep), organist Peter "Dino" Dines and guitarist Spit James. Spit James only lasted the one album; after this, Miller Anderson took over full guitar duties. They released their first album "Halfbreed" in 1969 and this album is a relatively undiscovered classic and is a very difficult album to obtain, on vinyl or CD. This album consisted of some great tracks, including: Sacked and Born To Die. Their second album "The Battle of North West Six" was released in 1970 and continued on in very much the same vein as Halfbreed, but with an even more jazzier tinge. Henry Lowther guested on both of these albums on trumpet and violin. Other brass players were brought in as well; on saxophone and flute over forthcoming albums. All albums have their highpoints, but Halfbreed is a classic release and you can do no wrong in trying to obtain this album, along with the second. Country: England (except Gary Thain - New Zealand) Prog Genre: Jazz/fusion or proto-prog (you decide!) or none (if that's the way you feel!) They have no official website, but information can be sort here: http:alexgitlin.com/khb.htm and http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2214/keefh_b.htm Discography: Halfbreed (1969, DERAM SML1037) Miller Anderson (guitar, vocals) Spit James (guitar) Gary Thain (bass) Dino Dines (keyboards) Keef Hartley (drums) Plus guests: Henry Lowther (trumpet, violin) Harry Beckett (trumpet) Lyn Dobson (tenor sax, flute) Chris Mercer (tenor sax) Battle Of NW6 (1970, DERAM SML1054) Miller Anderson (guitar, vocals) Gary Thain (bass) Mick Weaver (keyboards) Henry Lowther (trumpet, violin) Jimmy Jewell (sax) Keef Hartley (drums) With guests: Spit James (guitar) Mick Taylor (guitar) Mike Davis (trumpet) Harry Beckett (trumpet, fluegelhorn) Lyn Dobson (tenor saxophone, flute) Chris Mercer (tenor saxophone) Barbara Thompson (baritone saxophone, flute) Ray Warleigh (flute) The Time Is Near (1970, DERAM SML1071) Gap for artists, help me out here! Overdog (1971, DERAM SDL2) Little Big Band (1971, DERAM SDL4) Seventy Second Brave (1972, DERAM SDL9) Keef Hartley solo album Lancashire Hustler (1973, DERAM SDL13) CD: Walhalla WH 90339, 2004 Dog Soldier (another Keef Hartley project) Dog Soldier (1975, United Artists, UAS29769) CD: Mason Records MR 90330, 2004 Compilations: The Best Of Keef Hartley (1974, 2LP, DERAM DPA3011/2) Not Foolish Not Wise (Mooncrest, CrestCD 043Z, 1999) I forgot the classic live album "Little Big Band", I need details for this also. -------------   
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Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 17:59
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If I may assist:
THE TIME IS NEAR:
Artists:
Miller Anderson (guitar, vocals) Gary Thain (bass) Dave Caswell (trumpet) Lyle Jenkins (tenor and baritone saxes, flute)
Keef Hartley (drums) Guests:
Stuart Wicks (piano,organ)
Del Roll (percussion)
Source: Keef Hartley's sleeve notes from US LP first pressing, DERAM/LONDON DES 18047 ------------- 'Sundown,yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast..... Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.' Bob Dylan |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 18:05
Cheers  It saves me time and effort, if we work on this, we will have something to submit! Also details for Overdog, Little Big Band (that could be rather large!) and Seventy Second Brave are welcomed. As well as Keef Hartley's solo effort (which I've not heard, so I've no idea how proggy it is) Dog Soldier (which does include Miller Anderson, if memory serves). Actually, I have the Overdog CD, so I'll post the lineup when I can. Overdog Keef Hartley (drums & percussion) Miller Anderson (vocal & guitars) Gary Thain (bass guitar) Mick Weaver (keyboards) Guests: Dave Caswell (trumpet & fluegal horn) Lyle Jenkins (tenor sax & flute) Johnny Almond (flute) Jon Hiseman (drums & percussion - on "Theme Song / Enroute / Theme Song Reprise" and congas on "Imitations From Home") Peter Dines (keyboards - on "Roundabout") Ingrid Thomas, Joan Knighton and Valerie Charrington (backing vocals) -------------
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Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 18:14
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LITTLE BIG BAND : Artists :Mike Rosen (trumpet)
Derek Wadsworth (trombone)
Mike Davis (trumpet)
Danny Allmark (trombone)
Terry Noonan (trumpet)
Chris Mercer (baritone & tenor sax)
Martin Drover (trumpet)
Lynn Dobson (tenor & soprano sax, flute)
Harry Beckett (trumpet)
Barbara Thompson (alto sax)
Roger Wade (tenor sax)
Pete York (percussion)
Keef Hartley (drums)
Garry Thain (bass)
Miller Anderson (guitar & vocal)
Derek Austin (organ & piano) ------------- 'Sundown,yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast..... Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.' Bob Dylan |
Posted By: memellypee
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 18:16
Keef Hartley Band - Overdog - 1971You Can Choose; Plain Talkin; Theme Song; Enroute; Theme Song Reprise; Overdog; Roundabout; Imitations From Home; We Are All The Same Keef Hartley, Miller Anderson, guit.; Gary Thain, bass; Mick Weaver, key.; Dave Caswell, tp.; Lyle Jenkins, sax.; Johnny Almond, flute; http://www.rockzirkus.de/lexikon/bilder/h/hiseman/hiseman.htm - Jon Hiseman , drums; Peter Dines, key.; Ingrid Thomas, Joan Knighton; Valerie Charrington, alle voc.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 18:20
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Thanks! I've added Overdog details above! Should that be Nocturns and not Nicturns? -------------
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Posted By: memellypee
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 18:23
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Then of course there is the Overdog reissue, which comprises the following tracks;-
1.You Can Choose 7. We Are All the Same |
Posted By: memellypee
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 18:31
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nope Nicturns it is. as per
http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar/1905/rock/disc/khartley_72b.html - http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicStar/1905/rock/disc/khartley_72b.html ,
this guy even knows who made the tea,tremendous information....
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 18:37
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Of course, I have that re-issue myself, I just noticed I forgot to add the two singe edits of Roundabout! Hang on, my version only has the Roundabout parts one and two singles, where did you get that version from? I want it! -------------
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 19:09
Hafbreed is one of my favourite late British blues boom albums (jazz rock though???????? but if Colosseum's Those About to Die has subsequently become jazz rock when it was called jazz blues when first issued........). Born To Die and its slow burn blues guitar solo, regularly gets aired here. BTW John Mayall makes a brief appearance on Halfbreed - and in some respects Hartley was continuing in his former's boss's footsteps with blues with a jazz brass backing (e.g. like Bare Wires). When I heard of Deram were issuing Halfbreed on CD format in 1992 I ordered it straight away - glad I did, because typical of Deram with their more obscure reissues (e.g. early 10 Years After, Savoy Brown) deleted it from catalogue soon after (hence the difficulty in finding it now) - BTW for completeness,, the CD cat no is 820 978-2. Did I hear the whole of the Deram's Hartley back catalogue had been remastered since 2000? Some time in last 5 years I heard on Paul Jones Radio 2 blues show, a longish and most certainly live track by the Keef Hartley Band - a real knock out. So has one of those little UK blues labels (e.g. Indigo) got hold of tapes for a CD issue - but Amazon isn't forthcoming (Indigo btw have disinterred Blodwyn Pig, Chicken Shack, Duster Bennett and Groundhog recordings that had not seen the light of day previously)? |
Geck0 wrote:Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 00:56
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I've never heard Born To Die on the radio Dick, which station is this? I've never even heard a Keef Hartley Band tune on any radio station. The only time I've heard one of their tunes, is in a remix form, by some DJ. So am I correct in assuming you don't feel them worthy of inclusion in the archives then Dick? There has been two re-issues of Keef Hartley Band albums, viz. The Time Is Near and Overdog. Overdog has the single edits of Roundabout (an amazing tune infact). You should be able to get them on Amazon easily enough (or maybe not, I was lucky). Unfortunately and I have no idea why, Halfbreed and The Battle of North West Six, which are less jazzy and more blues and rocky (and more progressive), have not been reissued. I have Halfbreed on vinyl, which means it's going to be difficult for me to send MP3s from that album for classification, but I have a South Korean import of The Battle of North West Six and the remasters (with great liner notes), of The Time Is Near and Overdog. Jim, there are some live tracks on the compilation: Not Foolish Not Wise I'm not sure if these are excerpts from the live album "Little Big Band" or not, but I suspect they could be. It was possibly one of these tracks you heard on Paul Jones' Blues Show (which I listen to on occasion, but I missed that for some odd reason!). The two remastered albums are by Eclectic and were co-ordinated by Mark Powell and used original master tapes by Paschal Byrne, so they're very good remasters indeed. I have all of the Duster Bennett Indigo releases, as well as the re-issues of the full Blue Horizon albums (including the American only release: "12 Dbs" (which I have on vinyl also). I also have his Fingertips album, which was an Australian release only, on CD. I've not heard Bare Wires, so I cannot comment, but I believe Keef Hartley Band had just enough progression to warrant inclusion here. Obviously the decision is not down to myself, or the other fans of the band and I respect the decision at the end of the day. But at the end of the day, if this band gets exposure (even if only by the people who decide whether they should be included here or not), then I'd be a happy person. They deserve recognition for sure. -------------
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Posted By: memellypee
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 04:17
| We all agree, this band in all its forms are worthy entries to the Rock Forum, Why do you think a guy with the voice of Miller Anderson, faded into semi obscurity when so many other far worse bands and singers made it . His voice was really excellent..... |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 15:15
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Yes, I agree and he was often rather existential with his lyrics at times also, an excellent writer. I happened to see him play in the late 1980s in a blues band with lots of other performers, but at the time I hadn't heard of him, so that is a real shame. If we can finish off the relavent information, I can start to prepare some MP3 to send. I have a few MP3s from Halfbreed (but I only have the album on vinyl). I have 4 CDs containing Keef Hartley Band music, so I should put together some of the better tracks for the additions team. I shall sort something as soon as I can. -------------
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 15:18
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Miller Anderson surfaced on Deep Purple's rehash of their 'Concerto For Group and Orchestra' affair around 1999. Seeing as I didn't like the original I never bothered with that, but he's apparently on it...
As for Keef Hartley, he's yet another sure fire inclusion for a 'progressive blues' category, but of those here 'jazz rock/ fusion' would have to suffice- certainly 'The Time Is Near' and 'Overdog' fit that genre pretty well, imo.
However, 'Halfbreed' is by far his best work from what I have (I own that, Time Is Near and Overdog- didn't buy the other I saw around after being assured that 'Lancashire Hustler' was a 'pile of s****' by a knowledgeable record fair stall holder). Perhaps it's because my dad gives it a regular airing and has done since he rediscovered it around 2000, but that was always a terrifically inventive and enjoyable album to me. I did hear 'Leavin' Trunk' on the Paul Jones Blues show around 2001 on Radio 2, and I think 'Halfbreed' came Number 1 in a poll I once read of 'most underrated album' or some such a few years back.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 15:31
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The Battle of North West Six is definitely worth buying also Salmacis, but it hasn't been remastered, so it maybe very difficult to obtain. I have a South Korean version, it took me ages to find! I really want Halfbreed on CD, as it is one of their best. Born To Die is just a great tune, Leavin' Trunk may well be the best version of that tune (I've not heard the John Mayall's Bluesbreakers version, but I have a got a live Derek Trucks Band version) ever recorded. Miller Anderson also played on Boogie Brothers (with Kim Simmonds and Stan Webb) by Savoy Brown. He also was in a short lived band called Hemlock, who put out one album also. Again, I've never heard it. But I am very intrigued to hear both of these. Yes, there isn't a progressive blues category (if their was, I'd say early Fleetwood Mac were worthy of conclusion), but as it goes, jazz rock/fusion certainly fits a lot of their music. -------------
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