Journey poll
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Topic: Journey poll
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Subject: Journey poll
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 04:28
| For always yours, Mandrakeroot. |
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 04:56
Early stuff by Journey was prog rock , then Steve Perry joined and they changed a bit , more into AOR but at times still progressive ... Journey should definitely be prog related any respectable site with members with even average IQ`s would tell you that  If they are not here (which I havent checked) it makes this site look less than awake 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 07:01
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first album (and the lesser second) might fit in for sure, but then the rest of is crap ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 08:02
not for me. |
Sean Trane wrote:Posted By: wooty
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 08:18
NO! Journey plagued my existence all through the eighties with lame MOR non music! 
We might as well bring back Billy Joel or Air Supply. Steve Perry
was much better at posturing and creating longing facial expression
than any of the sounds he made! It's a wonder they never hired a dance
choreographer! I just can't forgive them  .
------------- "We turn and turn in the animal belly, the mineral belly, the belly of time. To find the way out: the poem." |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 08:50
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Just for their first album??? NO!!! |
Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 11:29
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Early Journey, Yes. Later Journey (Steve Perry era) - pure pop, NO, No, no. ------------- David - Never doubt in the dark that which you believe to be true in the light. http://www.myspace.com/aardvarktxusa - Instrumental rock http://www.soundclick.com/aardvarktxusa |
Posted By: ProgFan
Date Posted: April 15 2006 at 12:14
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Especially early Journey, but the later Journey not so much but they are sometimes a little bit prog |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: December 08 2006 at 21:30
| YEAH,LISTEN PEOPLE AND PLACES ETC ETC. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 08 2006 at 22:00
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I don't know... That's not a too traveled journey for me.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 07:21
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Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 10:11
Yeah. That is a fantastic track  |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 10:19
| can we just include the first 2 or 3 in the archives and forget the rest? I think alot of artists should be in here, but only their PROGressive period represented, i/e Santana early part as Prog Related, Bowies progressive mid period as Prog Related, Eno's progressive early career, as Prog, etc. If a band made a Progressive Rock album it should be represented in the archives probably under prog related, but the rest of their discography should not appear here! This is a prog rock site and you dont owe the artist full inclusion of their discography. You do owe the public the inclusion of ALL progressive rock albums/CDs though, IMO! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 11:27
| The site policy is that if a band is added to the site, their full discography is listed DB. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 12:17
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No. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Woodbridge
Date Posted: January 06 2008 at 02:09
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The first three Journey albums are very much Prog, and are more "prog related" than a lot of bands featured on this site. These particular albums are very symphonic, elongated, experimental, and psychedelic. It's like Pink Floyd having sex with Yes while Led Zeppelin videotapes it for Kansas's viewing pleasure. In fact, Kansas lifted the riff to "Carry On Wayward Son" from Journey's "I'm Gonna Leave You", and Rush ripped off instrumental bits to "Tom Sawyer" from Journey's "Nickel & Dime."
Sprinkled throughout their AOR phase, there are plenty of tracks that have Prog qualities, several per album in fact. Far more progressive than Triumph, for sure. Their AOR material is also superior in quality to latter-day releases by Yes and Genesis, two "Holy Grail of Prog" bands. Journey had just as many "true prog" albums as Styx, and just as many AOR albums, yet Styx is on the site as Prog Related and Journey isn't.
Journey has been cited as at least a partial influence to several Prog bands and/or their members, such as Dream Theater, Queensryche, Symphony X, Jan Hammer, Asia, and Marillion.
Neal Schon, guitar genius, blends melody and technical versatility well. Highly underrated, played with Santana, worked with Jan Hammer.... Gregg Rolie, keyboards/vocals, one of the MVPs of classic Santana.... Aynsley Dunbar, drums, played with Frank Zappa, Jefferson Airplane/Starship, Jeff Beck Group, and several other acts... Steve Smith, drums, is a famed jazz fusion percussionist and exemplifies amazing skinswork with Journey..
Without listing the first three albums (Undeniably Prog!!) I'm going to list songs from every album with progressive qualities. Complex structures and composition, fantasy/science fiction themes and quality concepts, technical instrumentalists who combine passion and dexterity, having been influenced by and influenced in turn multiple prog acts, extended song lengths and concept suites, changes in key and tempo and time signature, lots of the prog qualities are here....
INFINITY-
"Wheel in the Sky"
"Patiently"
"Winds of March"
"Somethin' to Hide"
"Opened the Door"
EVOLUTION-
"Sweet and Simple"
"Lady Luck"
"Daydream"
DEPARTURE-
"Walks Like A Lady"
"Someday Soon"
"People and Places"
"Precious Time"
"Departure" "I'm Cryin'"
The ENTIRE "Dream after Dream" album (Hearkens back to their prog days, very symphonic/folksy and experimental. Probably their most Prog work yet)
ESCAPE-
"Escape"
"Mother, Father"
"Who's Crying Now"
"Still they Ride"
FRONTIERS-
"Edge of the Blade"
"Troubled Child"
"Back Talk"
"Frontiers" "Rubicon" RAISED ON RADIO-
no prog, although it was a concept album
TRIAL BY FIRE-
"Message of Love"
"One More"
"Castles Burning"
"Still She Cries"
"Colors of the Spirit"
"Can't Tame The Lion"
"Baby I'm A Leavin' You"
"Trial by Fire"
ARRIVAL-
"Higher Place"
"All the Things"
"Livin' to Do"
"Live and Breathe"
"Kiss Me Softly"
The ENTIRE Red 13 EP is prog, no question....
GENERATIONS-
"Faith in the Heartland"
"A Better Life"
"Out of Harms Way"
"Beyond the Clouds"
So, at LEAST 30% of nearly every album after the first three are Prog or Prog-Influenced, some more than half... and the only album with no progressive qualities is a concept album!!
I feel that if Triumph, Asia, Styx, Alan Parsons Project, and Santana merit inclusion on PA for being prog-related... then so do Journey. At least an entry for "Journey (Pre-Perry)" and their first three albums would suffice... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ChiefKrazyHorse/?chartstyle=basic10">  (Weekly Plays)
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 06 2008 at 11:02
| If anyone is ready to do the work required to add them, let me know and I will get a final decision from the Admin team. Do not actually do any work meanwhile of course, in case they are rejected. |
Posted By: Woodbridge
Date Posted: January 06 2008 at 12:35
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I'm willing to help out with the band bio and album descriptions and such. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ChiefKrazyHorse/?chartstyle=basic10"> (Weekly Plays)
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 06 2008 at 14:22
| OK, I'll ask the Admin team for a decision. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 07 2008 at 06:26
seems fair enough.... seems like a cut and dried case for PR.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Woodbridge
Date Posted: January 07 2008 at 21:12
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Here are some Youtube links displaying Journey in progressive or proggish glory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZGcl_16KA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZGcl_16KA (People and Places)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx2BQ3GEfRA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx2BQ3GEfRA (Wheel in the Sky in its true form)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHQL2yVPDaw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHQL2yVPDaw (Of a Lifetime, off their first album)[This clip SMOKES]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIXax2YJvyA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIXax2YJvyA (Kohoutek... Porcupine Tree fans would LOVE this)[This clip BURNS]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poxR2BwpIUA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poxR2BwpIUA (Look into the Future [Album Version])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq_2D8OKUZc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq_2D8OKUZc (Topaz [Album Version])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WwLAISN3wg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WwLAISN3wg (Daydream [Album Version])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8pAPvAIFPE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8pAPvAIFPE (One More [Album Version])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SVu5wPDsYU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SVu5wPDsYU (Winds of March)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU-nhw-UMr0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU-nhw-UMr0 (To Play Some Music [Album Version])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tYSeyqaJmQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tYSeyqaJmQ (Nickel & Dime [Album Version])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJxXux4ceMc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJxXux4ceMc (Steve Smith Drum Solo)
ENJOY! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ChiefKrazyHorse/?chartstyle=basic10"> (Weekly Plays)
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 09 2008 at 03:45
| Journey have been approved for addition as Prog Related. |