LED ZEPPELIN
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Topic: LED ZEPPELIN
Posted By: mystic fred
Subject: LED ZEPPELIN
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 16:44
i'm probably sticking my scrawny neck out here, but something's really buggin' me - what the boss would probably call a "sticky topic", but..... should LED ZEPPELIN be included in prog archive???? here's the evidence ; YOUR TIME IS GONNA COME, DAZED AND CONFUSED, THE BATTLE OF EVERMORE, STAIRWAY, THE RAIN SONG, NO QUARTER.... have a listen to those classic tracks and then tell me if they ain't prog! if so i shall throw my prog hat into the river styx and hang my prog head in shame forever. Deep Purple are here and are a worthy, but less so, case than ZEP....so , YES, NO or WHAT...??!!!!! -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 18:21
your evidence is... underwhelming hahahhah. Just kidding of course.. some of those songs are great prog songs. To use a great 'Ivanism' in reverse. ELO did some discoesque songs and albums... doesn' make them a disco group anymore than a couple prog songs made Zeppelin a prog group. Zeppelin was a rock group, an incredible successful one, that did incorporate other influences in their music. ahahha what successful group hasn't done that.... they couldn't steal poor songwriters songs and redo old blues songs forever could they.  So.. for what it's worth..
an impassioned NO from Micky on Zeppelin. Besides the day this
site gets overrun with the roving bands of prepubescent Zepheads
that prowl internet chat sites is the day this site loses a great
deal. I can see it now....(every 3rd or 4th thread)What is the greater prog album Led Zeppelin IV or Foxtrot hahahha. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
mystic fred wrote:Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 18:47
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This has been done before. They have some moments but they are a blues based band. Great band though. ------------- true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants. 
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 19:36
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Led Zeppelin = Classic rock yust as Deep purple & Queen, but since they are here why not? ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 10 2006 at 19:53
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Deep Purple being here so therefore so must Zeppilin? Not a viable argument. deep Purple are Proto prog, Led Zeppelin are at best Prog related so must be judged by different merits. I don't think they'll be included, sorry. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 04:01
Led Zep is one of my favourites bands ( next to mine beloved GG  ), but I still haven't made my mind up about their inclusion or not.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 13:03
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They're not really prog, but I wouldn't be fussed if they were listed here. Excellent band with occasional strong prog leanings. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 13:13
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Ok. So any album which is less progressive than Foxtrot isn't prog? BTW: Nobody says that Led Zeppelin are a prog band, or that they should be added as a prog band. Ok, some people may request that ... but 95% of those who are in favour of the addition say: prog-related. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 13:48
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No. I love them to bits, but they don't belong here. The whole prog related thing is a joke IMO, and they're not prog enough to pe in proto prog. They influenced hard rock and metal by far more than they did prog.
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Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 15:52
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One of my favourite bands, but they just really aren't prog. Well some songs (No Quarter, Achilles Last Stand, Stairway to Heaven, etc.) are sorta prog-ish, but not really that much. Slightly prog-related at most. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 19:56
mmm I dont know let me think...NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont take this the wrong way, Zeppe is one of my favorite bands...if not my favortie...but they are not prog ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 13 2006 at 07:06
| Of course. Great Band on a Great Site |
Posted By: nursethisviper
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 23:42
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I'm on the fence here. Were I to argue for Led Zep's prog-... uh, prog-ness (?) I would use totally different songs. In the Light and No Quarter are, in my opinion, definitely prog songs. Maybe even some more songs like Kashmir, Stairway, or Carouselambra qualify. (I promise I'm not just picking their longest songs, it's a sheer coincidence As much as I love all those songs, and almost everything Zep did, I just can't see them as a real prog band in the same way as Genesis or even Deep Purple is. Prog-related, though? I don't see why not. It becomes increasingly difficult as Zep's career goes on to find bands, including prog bands, that didn't include some aspect of Zep in their own work. For example, Tool has been known to do a fairly sizeable number of Zep covers at their shows (They even did a studio version of No Quarter... which I don't recommend.) Zeppelin's influence alone is enough to include them to an extent.
Maybe if only IV and after were included... I through III were worthless in terms of prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/nursethisviper/?chartstyle=redfive">  Proggin' it up eight days a week...
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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 10:40
| No --- and take Queen out of the site too. |
Posted By: Kord
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 08:54
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NO.....and take out queen.....I agree with him ------------- [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Genesis_Group.jpg" border"> |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:37
My thoughts exactly (though I voted for yes). They're much too influential to be left out. Perhaps we should consider a separate section for those classic late '60s bands like Zep, Cream and The Who that had some influence on the development of prog, at least as far as some seminal bands are concerned. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:39
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NO.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 12:29
| Some of their songs are very proggy (Achilles Last Stand, No Quarter, Kashmir...) but most of their music is not even prog-related. I don't mind if they're included, but I don't think they should be. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 12:35
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Well, the Beatles, some death metal and even Fairport Convention are here....
What the hey -- just bring in ALL the 70s & 80s bands we like. (Prog is a meaningless term now, in any case.)  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 13:49
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Not prog, but prog related for sure. If Queen's here, so should Zep be.
Look at the description of the prog related category and you'll
see.
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 16:54
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No!
Led Zeppelin is a great band, but not prog. As I've heard some other member(s) echo, this is PROG archives, not GOOD MUSIC archives. All prog is good music (except neo
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:01
My sentiments exactly. I've always felt "prog-related" could get out of hand very quickly. I think this site could use a big disclaimer of some sort: "PROG is not a badge of honor, it's a method of describing/classifying music. There are many outstanding bands who are not classified as prog; this does not detract from them in any way." No offense to whoever this was, but someone posted a few days ago "Boston is my favorite band - why aren't they listed here?" See what I mean? It's like this place is a musical country club - "what, you're saying my favorite band isn't good enough to get in?" Need to find a way to quell this sentiment. |
Posted By: crimson thing
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:49
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Maybe if we capped the number of bands who could be allowed in........then for every band we wanted to include, as long as we could agree on an ejection..........although that does sound like the first step on the way to "Prog Brother"......... ------------- "Every man over forty is a scoundrel." GBS 
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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 23:17
| I don't mind LZ inclusion. |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 05:13
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Why would they be included? They are one of the greatest rock bands but they are in noe way prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 05:14
| Some of their stuff is prog-like, but they are no prog band |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 07:52
| As much as I love Led Zep, I don't think they're prog enough to be included here. However there is (at least) one prog site that has included them - http://www.progressiveears.com/default.asp?bhcp=1 - http://www.progressiveears.com/default.asp?bhcp=1 |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 08:59
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No !!! Great band, some tracks that might lay claim to being proggy, but NO!!!!
As others have said, "prog" and "great" music are not necessarily one and the same. Just because they're great doesn't merit inclusion. Yes, I am fussed about it. They're basically a blues band with some rocky licks.
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 14:07
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Of course, as Prog Related. They have a lot of Prog moments, like "Stairway To Heaven", "No Quarter", "Dazed And Confused", etc, etc .... all ALL the live jamming, like the live versions of "Dazed...", of 30 minutes or more. Just listen to them and tell me if they aren't Prog !! And, if here are classic rock bands like Deep Purple and Queen (I agree about them of being Prog Related), why shouldn't Zep be here ? |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 14:34
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Live jamming doesn't make somebody prog. If it did, then DMB and The Grateful Dead would have to be here too, wouldn't they?
I vote no, because prog related can become a slippery slope. IMO, prog related is more for solo projects by prog artists that aren't quite prog (see Peter Gabriel, Jon Anderson, Rick Wright, Syd Barrett, David Gilmour, etc.) instead of artists that occasionally, sometimes have moments that are sort of prog. Queen are more prog than Zeppelin, if simply for Bohemian Rhapsody. (which I don't really like that much, but that's not the point) Besides, Zeppelin mostly ripped off old Blues songs and played them louder and harder; and that's not very prog. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: crimson thing
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 14:54
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I agree on the whole they weren't prog (so no entry here!) And blues was their thing - that was the music they liked. But I would give them credit for progging up Dazed & Confused - especially live - raising it above a straight blues. Also, odd bits of PhysGraf were experimental - not just straight blues. Not prog - but not far off. ------------- "Every man over forty is a scoundrel." GBS
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Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 15:42
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Maybe Prog Related but I'm not sure about it.
Deep Purple is not a Proto Prog or Prog Related or wherever and I think that Led Zep is more prog then Purple and both are hard rock bands with some prog elements. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/erifrog/ |
Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: July 04 2006 at 17:56
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who cares. A good band is a good band.
------------- OBQM: www.soundcloud.com/onebigquestionmark (solo project) nQuixote: www.soundcloud.com/n-quixote (ambient + various musical ideas) |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 04 2006 at 23:43
Geeez, you sure make it hard don't you. Man, and I thought you were going to make it easy.
Oh well,..........................................................................damn, I guess I will have to side with Foxtrot
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:25
I feel the same way basically. Though I would lean more towards them not being included even as prog-related. They had many undeniably proggy moments, and were highly influential, but were mainly a rock band. Your idea of a seperate catagory is intriguing. I'm not sure how I feel about it. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 17:15
| I think they should be considered at least as "PROG RELATED". |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:34
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Another factor speaking in favor of Zep's inclusion is that the bar for
what is accepted as prog is fairly low in my opinion, I keep finding
bands that are equally progressive and even less progressive than Zep
around the archives. The alternatives there are, in my opinion, are these: 1. Clean up the archives a bit and re-define the prog related category 2. Accept the fact that there already are too many not-so-progressive bands included, and include more such bands (Led Zeppelin for example). 3. Remove the whole prog related category completely (it might do unjustice to certain artists, but it would strangle the debate). 4. Start a sister site called "Slightly Prog Archives" and move bands like Queen there, and also add bands like Led Zeppelin. Personally, I think that alternative one or three are the most reasonable. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:43
After adding The Beatles and ELO to this site, "Should Led Zep be included in PA?" is a rethorical question, ........YES, this innovative heavy progressive band fully deserves an addition on this site  !
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:53
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To call them "heavy progressive" is quite a long stretch. Like most
people so far have said, they do have progressive moments and deserve
to be included as prog related, but to actually call them progressive
is a slight exaggeration. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 06 2006 at 05:34
OK, but the same thing could be applied as easily to Queen or other bands. I know some people see red when faced with the equation "if band X is here, so should be band Y" - however, to me at least, it makes perfect sense. One practical example: I've recently bought Wishbone Ash's "Argus" album. Great record indeed, but I really fail to see how it is proggier than a lot of Led Zeppelin's later output. BTW, referring to your previous post, I would be very much in favour of Option 1 - a complete rethinking of the Prog-Related category, possibly with a space reserved with bands who have been influential or influenced by the prog movement when it was in full swing, or even later. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: July 06 2006 at 13:49
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The funny thing is that back in the 70's, many music critics often spoke of Led Zeppelin in the same breath as ELP and King Crimson. When prog went out of fashion, they bashed for the same reasons are beloved prog bands were-being over intellectual and such. The fact they are blues based shouldn't be held against them either; prog is about combining different genres rather than excluding them.
Then again, in retrospect, Led Zeppelin aren't really prog by todays standards, and prog wasn't really ever used as a label back then. When we look at them today they're strait up blues rock with some prog influences and cool jams.
Led Zeppelin are possibly my favorite band ever. I'm not sure whether or not they should be included, some people wan't them included just becuase they wan't to think every good band is a prog band. -------------  
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:02
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Basically LZ is a Hard Blues Rock band... But Progressive... ------------- 
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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:03
| Third option, I don't think they are a typical prog band but i do like them a lot so i could hardly oppose their inclusion. If i had to decide objectively being in an addition team i'd say no. |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: July 07 2006 at 08:48
progressive within hard rock. Not Prog |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: July 07 2006 at 17:51
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Heavy progressive ... ...?!
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Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 16:11
Why not?  ------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |
Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 20:13
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Heavy Progressive!! YES!!! ------------- https://www.instagram.com/erifrog/ |
Posted By: Uther
Date Posted: September 29 2006 at 23:01
we shall overcome  !------------- What! can the devil speak true? Macbeth, 1. 3 |