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Topic: Kayleigh worst song ever
Posted By: eddietrooper
Subject: Kayleigh worst song ever
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:23

I really enjoy listening to Marillion, specially Fish era. But there's one song I can't stand: "Kayleigh". When I discovered that this was their biggest hit I couldn't believe it.  I really like Misplaced Childhood, but I usually skip this track. For me it's their worst song. My favourite album is "Fugazi".

Any comments?




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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:26
It's only a matter of taste, for me it's good.


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:28

Any punk song is worse

It's poppy, yes, but it's quite nice in all it's poppiness. Whet do you hate about it so much?



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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:31
How can you skip Kayleigh, its the start of the story!

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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:39
Kayleigh is one of my favourite pieces of music. Why do so many people seem to class anything which sells as rubbish? Great tune, lovely guitar solo, fine keyboards.

(At the time of its release in 1985 I was trying my damnedest to get off with a colleague called......... Kay Lee (honestly)!! However, I got nowhere and a few months later she moved in with a new partner........called Alison. And I never suspected a thing!)


Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:41

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

How can you skip Kayleigh, its the start of the story!

Maybe as English is not my main language I'm more focused into the melodies of the songs and I don't mind the lyrics so much.

Really is not THAT bad, what I try to say is that Kayleigh in my opinion was the worst song of Fish era, so the rest of their material deserved to be more popular than this one.



Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:45

Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:

Kayleigh is one of my favourite pieces of music. Why do so many people seem to class anything which sells as rubbish? Great tune, lovely guitar solo, fine keyboards.

(At the time of its release in 1985 I was trying my damnedest to get off with a colleague called......... Kay Lee (honestly)!! However, I got nowhere and a few months later she moved in with a new partner........called Alison. And I never suspected a thing!)

Thats completely true.  ^^^

 

"Kayleigh" is an awesome song. one of my favorite tracks on Misplaced Childhood. 

The album is amazing listened to in its entirety.  strongly advised for any ardent neo-prog fan. 



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:50
I agree with the thread starter...............Kayleigh =

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:51
Originally posted by eddietrooper eddietrooper wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

How can you skip Kayleigh, its the start of the story!

Maybe as English is not my main language I'm more focused into the melodies of the songs and I don't mind the lyrics so much.

Really is not THAT bad, what I try to say is that Kayleigh in my opinion was the worst song of Fish era, so the rest of their material deserved to be more popular than this one.

Fish's lyrics and inparticular the way he delivers them are very important to each of their songs from that era. As for better songs, they certanly do have better songs but also the likes of Three Boats Down From The Candy, Charting The Single and half of CAS are worse than Kayleigh IMO.



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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:56
its kind of cheesy but an ok tune

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Posted By: Dr Know
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 19:02
I love Kayleigh and Fugazi. I prefer Fugazi to Misplaced Childhood.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 19:10
I don`t love the song Kayleigh (I like it though) but I see it as important to thread the rest of the Misplaced Childhood story together, I do love the guitar solo in it and I also love the personal lyrics, as Kayleigh was Fish`s wife and the video shows her and the kids in it, for these reasons it makes the song special and far more honest than any of the other MTV crap that was being played back when it was a hit  


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 19:41

I like Kayleigh. Not their best track, but a good hit single. Without Kayleigh, Lavender and Heart Of Lothian I wouldn't have known of Marillion back in 1985. It would have happened afterwards, I admit, because of prog magazines and sites, but still...

 



Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 20:45
I like Kayleigh, the guitar riff from Rothery is really nice, and I like the chorus. If you ask me, Lavender is the poppiest song on the album, but I still like it (the whole album is brilliant).

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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:15
Kayleigh actually makes me sick.  Otherwise Marillion is so/so, but that song makes me nauseous.  I just hate it.  Its just so standard, not proggy at all.  Even Genesis's singles (some at least) at the time were more exciting and proggy.

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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:36
Kayleigh is one of the most beautiful songs ever.

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 22:40
If you think that is one of the worst songs ever, you have not idea what a song is. I hope you were exaggerating.

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Posted By: Prog-man
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 23:57

   What the hell is this topic?! Are you crazy?

Kayleigh is a good song! 



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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 00:29
Cheesy indeed,but nothing wrong about it,from my point of view.

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Posted By: Buze
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 01:53

Misplaced Childhood was produced at a time Marillion was very popular. Keyleigh has a more commercial envelope, but this track is essential to the hole album. Yes we could skip Keyleigh but only if it was a standard album, like Clutching at Straws (like a skip Going Under).

And considering what was playing on the radio in 1985, Keyleigh is awesome.


Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 02:47
A sole Kayleigh is better than the whole Clutching at Straws!!!(except White Russian,it's pretty nice anyway )


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 07:28
I'm not a huge Marillion fan, but Kayleigh is quite a nice song and the lyrics are excellent.


Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 07:32
It's not the best song by Marillion, but a quite nice track and there is nothing really bad about it.


Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 07:45
Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:

Kayleigh is one of my favourite pieces of music. Why do so many people seem to class anything which sells as rubbish? Great tune, lovely guitar solo, fine keyboards.

(At the time of its release in 1985 I was trying my damnedest to get off with a colleague called......... Kay Lee (honestly)!! However, I got nowhere and a few months later she moved in with a new partner........called Alison. And I never suspected a thing!)

Thats completely true.  ^^^

 

"Kayleigh" is an awesome song. one of my favorite tracks on Misplaced Childhood. 

The album is amazing listened to in its entirety.  strongly advised for any ardent neo-prog fan. 

They both speak the truth

Rotherys guitar solo is IMO mindblowingly emotional and melodic!



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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 07:49
It's an OK song. I generally prefer all of Script to Misplaced Childhood.


Posted By: lazzalazza
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 08:47
Kayleigh is one of my favourite tunes.... I really enjoy listening to it. The lyrics are charming and clever, music is cunning... This track really stands out of the entire album.


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 11:14
Hey! Hey! You just struck a nerve there. First of all Kayliegh happens to be the name of my first girlfriend and we broke up because my own inconsideration and the song describes it to a T. Second some of the other songs on Misplaced Childhood would not be possible without this introductory piece which sets the mood both lyrically and musically. Third, why does a song have to sound prog. Fourth, it`s a matter of taste, you don`t have to like every track on an album and like you say then skip over it.

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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 11:34
Much as I don't like neo prog, I love Misplaced Childhood in its entirety. I even did something with Kayleigh when I was at college. The song, that is.


Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 11:42
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Posted By: Baza
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 11:51
I absolutely agree with the topic starter, Kayleigh is one of the worst songs ever. I almost threw the cd out of my car the first time I've heard it. This is 80's crap, like Duran Duran or Culture Club or whatever. Neo-prog is overrated.


Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 12:06

Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

I absolutely agree with the topic starter, Kayleigh is one of the worst songs ever. I almost threw the cd out of my car the first time I've heard it. This is 80's crap, like Duran Duran or Culture Club or whatever. Neo-prog is overrated.

i think, talking about progressive rock , maybe Kayleigh of course is not the best prog song, or maybe it isnt a prog song, but for me Kayleigh is a beautiful song, and its good to see it in Misplaced Childhood, its excellent for the album i think...



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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 12:57

I quite like it.Smile

But then, I have room in my collection for beauty, sentiment, and even relative simplicity in music.Stern Smile

"Worst song ever" -- snicker!LOL



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 13:25
^ I agree Peter, woest song ever? No! I still don't like it though.

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Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 13:45
I noticed that some people don't like some songs just because they're poppish, even if the are really good...
For what do we have to be ashamed to like some poppish songs?

For example, I enjoy some Nirvana (eg. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Polly, Lithium), Blur - Song 2, even Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Under The Bridge. And I love Marillion's Kayleigh Maybe it's partly because I don't listen to the lyrics and try not to pay attention to them. But the composers of these songs have made some great work and there are some great guitar riifs eg. in Song 2. I think there are several songs that just must be liked, even if the listener has sophisticated taste that proggers have... And you don't like them just because you don't want to do it.

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Posted By: Rockin' Chair
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 13:50
It is the poppiest song by Fish-era Marillion. It's a fine song but if we compare it to the rest of the album (Misplaced Childhood) Kayleigh is the worst one. 

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Posted By: Baza
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 13:59

Originally posted by Harold Demure Harold Demure wrote:

I noticed that some people don't like some songs just because they're poppish, even if the are really good...
For what do we have to be ashamed to like some poppish songs?

For example, I enjoy some Nirvana (eg. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Polly, Lithium), Blur - Song 2, even Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Under The Bridge. And I love Marillion's Kayleigh Maybe it's partly because I don't listen to the lyrics and try not to pay attention to them. But the composers of these songs have made some great work and there are some great guitar riifs eg. in Song 2. I think there are several songs that just must be liked, even if the listener has sophisticated taste that proggers have... And you don't like them just because you don't want to do it.

I don't agree with that - there any many poppish songs by prog and non-prog bands which I like (for example, some of Syd Barrett's songs from his Pink Floyd era), but Kayleigh is still the worst song ever!!!  Or at least, one of them.



Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 14:20
Most people here admit that they like Kayleigh even if it's quite poppish. But if you don't like it, no problem. Everyone has his own taste in his favourite style of music, and I always respect it (if this style of music iss prog, of course ). But don't say that Kayleigh is the worst song ever!!! Because it is million times better than all the rubbish on the radio that we are forced to listen to

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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 14:23

I can't really add any more than has already been said. You either like it or you don't.



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Posted By: Ounamahl
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 14:50
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If you think that is one of the worst songs ever, you have not idea what a song is. I hope you were exaggerating.


Yup! And I bet you have not heard that song Gasolina or what was it? eerm or Christf**k.. Whatever. Kayleigh is a good song, really good song




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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 15:01

Originally posted by Ounamahl Ounamahl wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If you think that is one of the worst songs ever, you have not idea what a song is. I hope you were exaggerating.


Yup! And I bet you have not heard that song Gasolina or what was it? eerm or Christf**k.. Whatever. Kayleigh is a good song, really good song


 

OK, OK, once more: I meant "Worst song ever".. from Fish-era Marillion !!! I am only talking about 4 albums!!



Posted By: Gary the Ghoul
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 15:56
the song itself is pretty irritating
that's what I think


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 16:00
Originally posted by eddietrooper eddietrooper wrote:

Originally posted by Ounamahl Ounamahl wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If you think that is one of the worst songs ever, you have not idea what a song is. I hope you were exaggerating.


Yup! And I bet you have not heard that song Gasolina or what was it? eerm or Christf**k.. Whatever. Kayleigh is a good song, really good song


OK, OK, once more: I meant "Worst song ever".. from Fish-era Marillion !!! I am only talking about 4 albums!!

That's better.  But, being seeing how I find no faults at all in MC from my perspective, I disagree with you.



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 18:52
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by eddietrooper eddietrooper wrote:

Originally posted by Ounamahl Ounamahl wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If you think that is one of the worst songs ever, you have not idea what a song is. I hope you were exaggerating.


Yup! And I bet you have not heard that song Gasolina or what was it? eerm or Christf**k.. Whatever. Kayleigh is a good song, really good song


OK, OK, once more: I meant "Worst song ever".. from Fish-era Marillion !!! I am only talking about 4 albums!!

That's better.  But, being seeing how I find no faults at all in MC from my perspective, I disagree with you.

If its worst song ever from Fish period Marillion, then I agree with you.



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 18:57
Its an ok song, but otherwise mediocre on a great Neo-Prog album.


Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 19:11

I agree somewhat, though I wouldn't call that song the worst ever.  There are plenty of songs in existence that are worst.  But yeah, when listening to Misplaced Childhood, I've always cringed at the song (and even Lavender) as being very pop and out of place compare to the songs before and after them on the album.

Kayleigh just screams out "Yeah, we put this on the album because the record company demanded that we have a hit single.  Sorry chaps, we know it's overtly pop, but we hope you like it anyway".  And many people do, as shown here on this site.  I'm sure even the band came to liking it, especially when the video got them attention and exposure on America's MTV video channel, and put more money in their pockets...

 

 



Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 19:58

it's just ok, I like the couple section but not the refrain that much

not a masterpiece comparing with other Marillion songs



Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: February 28 2006 at 20:13
Kayleigh is a song that is commercially appealing. Actually, it was this song that introduced me to Marillion and the album "Misplaced Childhood". I think it is beautiful and co-incidentally, "Misplaced Childhood" is my favourite Fish-era Marillion album.

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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 09:35
From a prog point of view, "Kayleigh" really sucks. Otherwise, I think it is a good pop song.

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Posted By: Dr Know
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 11:14

This is all getting rather silly, 3 pages on if it´s the worst song EVER.Angry

Clearly not, there are millions of songs out there that are far worse



Posted By: Derraine
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 12:47

Originally posted by Flip_Stone Flip_Stone wrote:

Kayleigh just screams out "Yeah, we put this on the album because the record company demanded that we have a hit single."

Have to disagree with this. 

First, parts of the song, such as the opening guitar riff, were written even before the Misplaced Childhood project began, so it can hardly be described as being put together on the record label's orders. Second, if the band really were writing a song with the single goal of getting radio airplay, why would they have given it a great, well developed guitar solo, only to cut it from the single edit? Third, Fish's lyrics are always deeply personal and on this track more than any other - it deals with the breakdown of his previous relationship. I doubt he would want such an emotional subject put into a song that he didn't like. 

As you can probably tell from my previous comments, I love this song - well structured, sincere, superbly played music. Ok, perhaps it does have a little of the 'sound of the 80s', but then again so does most of the rest of the album, as did most music written at the time.  



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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 10:07
Kayleigh is a good song but because it was such a big hit it got overplayed...

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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:57
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


That's better.  But, being seeing how I find no faults at all in MC from my perspective, I disagree with you.


Mariah Carey?!


Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 14:44
The piano sound of it is horrible, as is the chorus, but the rest's not bad.

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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 15:27
I can't so I know it... I may have heard it, but I wouldn't know...

I happen to like Blue - Song 2 as well!  Great tune.  I do like some "popular" tunes.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 15:54
I didn't like it when I first heard it. I expected `something more proggy from Marillion at the time. I've since grown to love it and think it's one of the best hit singles of the 80's. The lyrics are excellent, the melodies are strong and Rothery's guitar work is brilliant.

Marillion didn't sell out, though. Misplaced Childhood is a great prog concept album, and Kayleigh was just an advert for that album, luring in many non prog fans into the world of Marillion. For that reason it was a triumph.

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:06
I don't think that this thread would exist if Kayleigh hadn't been such a big hit single. It's a comparatively straightforward song, but there's nothing wrong with that, and as Andy pointed out the lyrics and guitar work are excellent. Misplaced Childhood was where Fish really found his own voice as a lyricist, and Marillion rose up to the challenge of creating equally powerful music admirably. With many albums the hit single is the strongest song - on Misplaced Childhood Kayleigh fits the mood and the nattative perfectly and in context doesn't sound like an obvious hit. Plus it meant Marillion were on daytime radio and Top Of The Pops, which was a big bonus.

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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:37

I like it.

Melodious, catchy song with very good lyrics.

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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 20:10
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I didn't like it when I first heard it. I expected `something more proggy from Marillion at the time. I've since grown to love it and think it's one of the best hit singles of the 80's. The lyrics are excellent, the melodies are strong and Rothery's guitar work is brilliant.

Marillion didn't sell out, though. Misplaced Childhood is a great prog concept album, and Kayleigh was just an advert for that album, luring in many non prog fans into the world of Marillion. For that reason it was a triumph.
 
 Kayleigh was a great rock/pop song. To call it the worst song ever is ludicrous.The 80's was an awful era for progsters as we had endured the punk mutilation of music so Fish & Co gave us something to believe in.Marillion were no innovators but they carried the prog flag high.


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 20:31
Originally posted by Baza Baza wrote:

I absolutely agree with the topic starter, Kayleigh is one of the worst songs ever. I almost threw the cd out of my car the first time I've heard it. This is 80's crap, like Duran Duran or Culture Club or whatever. Neo-prog is overrated.

I'll disagree with that entire remark. There is in no way Kayleigh is similar to Duran Duran or Culture Club, it's distinctly different from anything those groups released. And Neo Prog overrated? You can't believe how much flak the genre gets because it's supposedly "derivative and simplistic Genesis clones". So please, think about what you're going to write before you write it.


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Posted By: thai_prog_fan
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 21:14
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

How can you skip Kayleigh, its the start of the story!
 
I agree. The story has just begun. Kayleigh is a principal character of the story. This song is one of my favorites. Even though this song is somewhat poppish, it is catchy, melodious and powerful. I'm always happy whenever I hear or listen to this song. In fact, if you listen to Misplaced Childhood, you should listen to the whole album and tolerate Kayleigh because this album is a concept.


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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 09:15
Marillion has been (and still is) my favourite for 7 years by now and although I discovered them by means of the song Kayleigh, I nowadays don't have the song in high regard Wink

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Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 14:11
If charts were stuffed by Kayleigh-esque songs, I'd be a very happy camper!

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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:52
Kayleigh surely isn't their best song, but it doesn't bother me.  I think it has serious emotion in there.

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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 23:13
      It's interesting how successful tracks, from bands outside of the mainsteam, get picked on. Sure, sometimes it's a sellout, but that's not always the case. This is an example of a good tune, by a good band, somehow getting through. It may not be the strongest cut from the album, but hits rarely are. It is also essential to the entire piece. I was very happy when this became a hit. In a way, it justified my love of a group that no one else around me had heard of.
     What I found particulary amazing was that Heavy Metal fans liked it. I'll never forget going into a metal bar with a friend, and hearing the band cover "Kayleigh."

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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 23:16
Originally posted by eddietrooper eddietrooper wrote:

I really enjoy listening to Marillion, specially Fish era. But there's one song I can't stand: "Kayleigh". When I discovered that this was their biggest hit I couldn't believe it.  I really like Misplaced Childhood, but I usually skip this track. For me it's their worst song. My favourite album is "Fugazi".

Any comments?

My daughter's name is Kayleigh. Enough said.


Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 16:50
It's not a bad song in and of itself, but it is poor and poppy when you stick it next to other Marillion songs from that time period.  It's always sounded out of place on Misplaced Childhood, and a sad compromise by the band to appease the record company's demand for a hit single.


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 17:06
Originally posted by Flip_Stone Flip_Stone wrote:

It's not a bad song in and of itself, but it is poor and poppy when you stick it next to other Marillion songs from that time period.  It's always sounded out of place on Misplaced Childhood, and a sad compromise by the band to appease the record company's demand for a hit single.
 
Actualy I think it fits in perfectly on Misplaced Childhood, does a good job of setting the scene for the rest of the album.


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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: May 08 2006 at 17:31
20 years ago i used to hear this song on a holiday in Scotland several times a day. Still love it.


Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 20:59
Another purist?? Man, KAYLEIGH is a great song... popish but totally enjoyable specially the lyrics... Sometimes the simplicity takes us to the perfection...

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 22:38
How many times has this thread been revived? LOL

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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 23:15
What a negative thread title! Kayleigh is a great song and certainly brought MARILLION more to the attention of the listening public, than any other of their songs. Smile

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Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 23:31
Hey, come on. It's better than Lavender.

In the same way that biting your tongue is better than having your tongue bitten by someone else.


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Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 23:52
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Actualy I think it fits in perfectly on Misplaced Childhood

I completely agree. That album is an absolute stinker.

I remember buying the vinyl when I was Interrailing in England (when I ended up staying with IQ, but that's another story) and not being able to listen to it for days. I was so excited. Here was a band I had been following from their very first single, that I had queued a week for tickets to see, that I had traveled to Denmark to see again. A band whose two first albums (and singles and 12-inchers and picture disks and bootlegs) I had loved deeply and evangelized for madly (I had turned pretty much half of my 10th grade boarding school into Marillion heads over the course of the previous fall), and now they'd turned in an epic to rival their own Grendel (a song we dug so much that we named our Prog fanzine for it).

Maybe it was because my expectations were so high, or maybe it was because it really was a load of fairly pedestrian Pop-Rock songs sellotaped together to make a fake epic (when I said that to Fish in an interview later that fall, he raised his hand as if to strike me - no joke). But I was not alone in thinking so, most of my Proghead friends were equally underwhelmed and/or appalled. That Kayleigh later became a hit single only proved what we'd been saying all along.

Misplaced Childhood ("Misplaced Brain, more like" quipped IQ's roadie) retoractively runied Marillion for me. It was as if in seeing through that album, I saw the many flaws in the earlier works that I had ignored. I would occasionally listen to Script and Fugazi and even bought the remasters, but the magic was gone. Fish solo - eh. Hogarth Marillion - eh. Yet I keep trying. I check out each new release from both branches because maybe, just maybe something there will spark that magic again.

Well, once it has. On the Fugazi remaster; Cinderella Search. I had completely forgotten about that song, and it really hit home (lisetning to it now, actually - it's not bad).

Maybe I'll give MC one more shot. It's been at least half a decade since I last did.

Welcome back to the circus. Nevertheless...


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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 00:09
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

How many times has this thread been revived? LOL

I know... it's amazing...LOL


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Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 01:38
Wow...most of you bag on it.  It's not TOTAL sh*t.  I downloaded it yesterday, along with BEAUTIFUL, HARD AS LOVE and WHO WE ARE.  I happen to (really) enjoy what I've heard thus far.  IMO, Kayleigh is a (pardon the pun) beautiful ballad. 
Face it, kiddies...having a ballad or two on your records does NOT a bad record make.  It's only when you begin to water down your records with poor writing and production that the records begin to suck.  My opinion; nothing more or less.

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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 01:53
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

How can you skip Kayleigh, its the start of the story!
 
Sorry to be late on this thread - didn't see it before.  That is so true.  When one realizes that Misplaced Childhood is actually one song (or one suite of songs embroidered together - has to split side A and side B on the original vinyl though), you cannot just skip the song and 'get the point' of the album.  So many others have answered positive or negative, depending on their point-of-view.  It boils down to:  Is MC a cohesive unitary piece, or just a jumble of nice songs woven together nicely?  Your answer to that answers your question about 'Kayleigh.'


Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 06:38
Originally posted by Flip_Stone Flip_Stone wrote:

I agree somewhat, though I wouldn't call that song the worst ever.  There are plenty of songs in existence that are worst.  But yeah, when listening to Misplaced Childhood, I've always cringed at the song (and even Lavender) as being very pop and out of place compare to the songs before and after them on the album.

Kayleigh just screams out "Yeah, we put this on the album because the record company demanded that we have a hit single.  Sorry chaps, we know it's overtly pop, but we hope you like it anyway".  And many people do, as shown here on this site.  I'm sure even the band came to liking it, especially when the video got them attention and exposure on America's MTV video channel, and put more money in their pockets...

Kayleigh was never contrived to be a hit single, nor was any of the album for that matter. In fact it was written as a screw you to their record company, they just decided to do a continuous 45 minutes epic, with no breaks (hence the original track titles of Misplaced Childhood Part 1 and Misplaced Childhood Part 2). When EMI heard the record they didn't think any of it was single worthy (they were more interested in Lady Nina as a single) but they went ahead with it anyway and the rest is history.

Kayleigh is the track that really grabbed my attention when I first listened to Misplaced Childhood (though the rest is great too) and so it will always be special (eevn though it's overplayed). It's certainly not worse than 3 of the tracks from side 2, Waterhole (Expresso Bongo), Lords of the Backstage or White Feather.



Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 06:51
I think the perceived problem with Kayleigh lies not with the song, but with the overplaying...........

Having said that, I think several hundred people did themselves SERIOUS vocal damage singing it when I saw Fish at a couple of the "return to Childhood" gigs last year!!!!



Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 07:13
uhhh.. if you think its the worst song ever, you can't have heard very many songs

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 07:17
I think the real crime is Marillion's video for the song, as well as "Lavender."
 
Ugh. Dead


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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 07:19
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Any punk song is worse

Oh don't be so silly.


Posted By: fogwalker
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 17:18
I think it's the only Marillion song I ever, ever liked. All the rest I'd heard until then sounded like a Genesis tribute band, and not a particularly good one at that, and I don't really like Genesis much anyway.....
 
 


Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 17:19
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

How many times has this thread been revived? LOL

Many too many


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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 22:21
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I think the real crime is Marillion's video for the song, as well as "Lavender."

I liked the video for Lavender. The video for Assassing, though... that's a different story.LOL


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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 02:35
Fish's songwriting skills are phenomenal, though his group belonged to a niche (neo-prog) genre of rock, such was their appeal Marillion managed to reach a very wide audience, and break through many boundaries. I dare say many music fans became prog rock fans as a result of Marillion's popularity. I attended a concert on their "Misplaced Childhood" tour and saw a very mixed audience indeed, not just traditional rock fans, and in 1986 this was no mean feat.  Many people even named their daughters after "Kayleigh" it was such a very popular song, how many other prog rock lyricists managed to do that??

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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 03:39
Have you seen the "Kayleigh" page on the Fish website MysticFred?
Crossing the divide between Prog and Pop was a major achievement for Marillion, and lead to a huge ammunt of fans coming into the prog genre that never previously knew it even existed!
Last year at the "return" gigs by Fish the audiences were much more varied than your average prog gig. and there was SO much passion!
P-C


Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 03:41

I don't like it, as i don't like any marillion song.



Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 05:44
Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

Have you seen the "Kayleigh" page on the Fish website MysticFred?
Crossing the divide between Prog and Pop was a major achievement for Marillion, and lead to a huge ammunt of fans coming into the prog genre that never previously knew it even existed!
Last year at the "return" gigs by Fish the audiences were much more varied than your average prog gig. and there was SO much passion!
P-C
 
http://www.the-company.com/kayleigh.htm - http://www.the-company.com/kayleigh.htm
 
WOW! there are dozens of them! I also find the song very poignant, as has anyone who has had a bad break-up, it is based on Fish's own experience. Thumbs Up thanx for the tip!


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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 10:34
   I listened to Childhood few days ago,and I must admit,that Kayleigh is a bit different from the whole mood of the side A.But as a sinlge it is better than the whole H-era!!!


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 12:11
Along with Lavender DillyDilly, Kayleigh are the worst tracks EVER!!!Evil Smile
 
 
Neh-neh-neh-nehneeeeh!!!!!!!!!!Clown
 
 
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 12:15
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Along with Lavender DillyDilly, Kayleigh are the worst tracks EVER!!!Evil Smile
 
 
Neh-neh-neh-nehneeeeh!!!!!!!!!!Clown
 
 
Immature?Dead
Meant to beLOL
yesterday i watched both videos... they are amazing!
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Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 18:12
Yeah, Kayleigh and Lavender dilly dilly, Lavender do dah, bum bum, la-la.  Music to  skip to across a pink garden with flowers and cute puppies...
 
Thankfully Marillion got it together with the powerful masterpiece Clutching at Straws.  Ain't no kiddy pop-songs on that one folks!
 


Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 18:16
nuffin wrong wiv a pink garden and puppies!



Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 18:34
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Actualy I think it fits in perfectly on Misplaced Childhood

I completely agree. That album is an absolute stinker.



Sorry, we dont agree. MC isnt Marillions best album but it is a damn good album IMO.


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Posted By: Minkia
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 18:36
No wonder it's a bad song: it reached the charts! Which means that the moment people at large start liking stuff like that, it instantly turns it into crap.

Still, it's not as bad as Coldplay.    
    

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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 18:37
Originally posted by Minkia Minkia wrote:



Still, it's not as bad as Coldplay.    
    

     


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 18:40
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Any punk song is worse

Oh don't be so silly.


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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: May 26 2006 at 04:33
Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

nuffin wrong wiv a pink garden and puppies!



Yeah. Puppies taste nice. Evil Smile


Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 26 2006 at 04:47
Originally posted by Minkia Minkia wrote:

No wonder it's a bad song: it reached the charts! Which means that the moment people at large start liking stuff like that, it instantly turns it into crap.

Still, it's not as bad as Coldplay.    
    
 
what's the matter with Coldplay?? i admit they're a bit gloooomy but they have got some good toons! Thumbs Up  ...and they're British!!


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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 26 2006 at 04:53
Don't get me started on ColdPlay.........I would need some considerable time in the ranting room with that one!

Ok there are some good "radio" toons there, ......... not worthy of the ammount of aclolades poured onto them though!

P-C



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