Best Italian prog albums
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Topic: Best Italian prog albums
Posted By: Marcelo
Subject: Best Italian prog albums
Date Posted: February 19 2004 at 19:01
Ok, I love Italian progressive rock, specially the older bands. Only 10 options above, but they are just examples. There are many, really many excellent Italian albums since 70s to the present time. My favorites:
Zarathustra (Museo Rosenbach)
Inferno (Metamorfosi)
Io Sono Murple (Murple)
Il Passo del Soldato (Nuova Era)
In Torno Alla Mia Cattiva Educazione (Alusa Fallax)
Felona E Sorona (Le Orme)
Darwin (Banco)
La Torre Dell'Alquimista (Idem)
I Giganti (Terra In Bocca)
Uomo Di Pezza (Le Orme)
Papillon (Latte E Miele)
Dedicato A Frazz (Semiramis)
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Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 19 2004 at 19:03
Wow, here's an area of prog I'm totally unfamiliar with; I think I get kinda distracted by vocals I can't understand, that's probably a factor in my not exploring it at all.
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Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: February 19 2004 at 19:13
Gonghobbit wrote:
Wow, here's an area of prog I'm totally unfamiliar with; I think I get kinda distracted by vocals I can't understand, that's probably a factor in my not exploring it at all. |
Yes, unfortunately I am really unfamiliar with this scene.
Dang.
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 19 2004 at 19:15
My favorite is Area's Arbeit Mach Feri.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 20 2004 at 15:26
Alexander wrote:
My favorite is Area's Arbeit Mach Feri.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 20 2004 at 15:35
I voted for Le Orme, 'Felona e Serona', a fantastic album and their best. What about this list :
-Locanda delle fate : 'forse le lucciole non si amano piu'
-Quella veccia locanda : 'il tempo della gioia'
-Le Orme : 'Felona e Serona'
-Celeste : 'Principe di un giorno'
-Banco del mutuo soccorso : 'Darwin'
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 20 2004 at 19:09
lucas wrote:
Alexander wrote:
My favorite is Area's Arbeit Mach Feri.
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Arbeit macht frei (i. e. 'work makes you free' in german, unfortunately this slogan is quoted from the nazis )
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Exactly...(Thanks for the correction by the way)
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 27 2004 at 22:14
Where is Deus ex Machina? They may be relatively new on the Italian prog scene, but I think they are among the best Italo-prog bands ever!
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Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: February 29 2004 at 18:08
To Maani: I've only heard "Gladium Caeli", and I recognize in Deus Ex Machina excellent and original musicians, but I don't like it. It sounds extremely noisy and the singer screams irritates me. Similar is my feeling about Il Balletto Di Bronzo "Ys", a true classic for many people, but not my cup of tea.
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 29 2004 at 21:03
Marcelo:
I agree re Balleto di Bronzo (see my review of Ys). However, I consider DeM among the best prog-rock bands of our era. Try listening to De Republica (it's available as a download). Also, their newest album, Cinque. (I have never heard Gladium Caeli, and hope Max will download it, if he has it...)
I understand your "problem" with Piras (the lead singer). It took me a couple of listens to "get past" his crazy approach. But if you can do so, you will find that, in every respect, DeM is a superb prog-rock band.
Peace.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 02 2004 at 18:24
maani wrote:
Marcelo:
I agree re Balleto di Bronzo (see my review of Ys). However, I consider DeM among the best prog-rock bands of our era. Try listening to De Republica (it's available as a download). Also, their newest album, Cinque. (I have never heard Gladium Caeli, and hope Max will download it, if he has it...)
I understand your "problem" with Piras (the lead singer). It took me a couple of listens to "get past" his crazy approach. But if you can do so, you will find that, in every respect, DeM is a superb prog-rock band.
Peace.
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Yes, it's true 'De Republica' is a great album and Piras' voice is not as annoying as on the last album.
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Posted By: progchain
Date Posted: March 28 2004 at 06:34
Marcelo. La Torre dell'Alchimista was recorded by Barrock,not Banco...
and what about Biglietto per L'inferno, Garybaldi, Pholas Dactylus, Franco Battiato, Teoremi, De De Lind, Capsicum Red, Celeste, Ezra Winston....
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Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 11:56
Hi, Progchain. La Torre Dell'Alchimista is a band who put in 2000 the homonymous album, vintage style with modern sound, really good! I agree, there are excellent Italian bands like those you write and all of them deserves a place among the greatest, but they are too much!
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Posted By: Aqualung
Date Posted: April 15 2004 at 08:17
i choose " Terra In Bocca " ( maybe i would chose pfm' s " Storia di un minuto "..but it's not in the list ) .
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Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: April 15 2004 at 15:11
Yes, Aqualung!!! I Giganti's "Terra In Bocca" is maybe the most emotive album I ever heard. I think it's one of those stuffs that can make you cry (literally) if you hear it in a hard day . "Storia Di Un Minuto" is another gem and, really, the best Italian albums list needs, at least, +50 places.
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: April 15 2004 at 15:14
I voted for Felona e Serona, but if you intended to post a poll upon Finisterre, I would've recomended "In Ogni Luogo" instead. Great selection by the way
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Posted By: progchain
Date Posted: April 15 2004 at 16:16
MMMMMMHHH...
1- Garybaldi - Nuda
2- Biglietto per L'Inferno: Biglietto per l'Inferno
3- Pholas Dactylus: Concerto delle Menti
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 07:23
Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 06:31
oliverstoned wrote:
PICCHIO DAL POZZO
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Indeed, a brilliant band, but with their jazz-rock/canterbury sound it's ok to leave them out of this poll. As with Stormy Six and Area. And Arti e Misteri.
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 06:33
Locanda delle fate on the other hand....
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Posted By: moonchild
Date Posted: May 15 2004 at 20:47
Il Balletto di Bronzo - Ys
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: May 16 2004 at 00:02
Hammar,
Sorry you don't appear to like Locanda Delle Fate; "one man's meat is another man's poison", as they say.
Although I like Forse Le Lucciole Non Si Amano Più very much indeed, I can understand perfectly why some people find it just too 'rich', soppy, cheesy or whatever. Someone I played it to the other day described it as "OK, but it sounds like elevator prog rock"! We had a laugh and agreed to differ.
[Edit: Just realised on rereading your post that perhaps I misunderstood you and you were disappointed LDF were not included. If so, even better!]
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: May 16 2004 at 00:28
lucas,
Despite my not agreeing with you about ELP's Pirates in another thread, I have to agree with you 100% on your list in this one. All excellent.
I'm just listening to Celeste's Principe Di Un Giorno now, on headphones for the first time and I am picking up various subtleties I had not noticed previously. Looking at the liner notes, which gives the instruments played by each band member for each track, they are very talented musicians. I have never heard such a laid-back, mellow prog rock album. This has to be the album to play at the end a tough day. With this playing and a glass of good wine, it wouldn't take long to unwind.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 16 2004 at 00:43
Even though I always been a PFM fan, a couple years ago I found Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Le Orme, so today my favorites are:
1.- Darwin (Banco)
2.- Felona e Sorona (Le Orme)
3.- Per un Amico (PFM)
Iván
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: May 16 2004 at 16:18
Having now heard four of Deus ex Machina's albums, I would have to say that Equilibrismo da Insofferenza is unequivocably the best. Unbelievably incredible - though it treads that fine line into prog-jazz (or at least rock-jazz fusion).
And for anyone not familiar with Italian prog, you are missing something not only amazing musically, but extremely important vis-a-vis the history of prog. Having now listened to a great number of the prog bands representing other-than-english-speaking countries (i.e, not counting England and the U.S.), there is no question in my mind that the Italian prog scene was - and continues to be - the single most important (to say nothing of productive and prolific) European prog. Indeed, Italy was arguably the third country (after England and the U.S.) to have a thriving, influential prog scene (and it may even have pre-dated the U.S.)
At the very least, you need to hear Museo Rosenbach's "Zarathustra" (one of the earliest, most influential non-England/U.S. prog albums), and any albums by PFM (an early trendsetter in Italian prog), Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Il Balletto di Bronzo, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Consorzia Acqua Potabile, Alusa Fallax, and Deus ex Machina (a newer entry, but, as noted, a superb one).
Peace.
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: May 20 2004 at 16:14
HI, THIS IS CESAR INCA.
I've already cast my vote on BMS's 'Darwin!', since they are IMHO the most accomplished and consistent band in the Italian prog scene of all-time. Yet, as I much as I prefer 'Darwin!' over the rest of the other excelent albums listed above... my all-time Italian favourite Italian prog recording is 'Io Sono Nato Libero'. For things like this the term 'top-notch' was invented.
Regards.
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: May 21 2004 at 06:35
I couldn't agree more with maani's comments on Italian prog, and would add some of the other bands mentioned in this thread to his list. The music itself, the musicianship and the range of instruments used by some of the Italian prog bands make the albums a joy to listen to. Most of the albums are timeless; the fact that they are still available 30 years later and appreciated so enthusiastically says a lot.
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: May 21 2004 at 06:51
By the way, if you want to explore Italian prog rock further than the 'greats', take a look at the catalogue of old and current Italian (and other) prog rock released/rereleased by the independent Italian record label Mellow Records ( http://www.mellowrecords.com/ - http://www.mellowrecords.com/ ). There's a whole parallel universe of prog rock there.
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Posted By: John Hicks
Date Posted: May 21 2004 at 10:56
Difficult choice. I'll pick Banco - Darwin.
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Posted By: Hammar
Date Posted: May 22 2004 at 08:11
Fitzcarraldo wrote:
Hammar,
Sorry you don't appear to like Locanda Delle Fate; "one man's meat is another man's poison", as they say.
Although I like Forse Le Lucciole Non Si Amano Più very much indeed, I can understand perfectly why some people find it just too 'rich', soppy, cheesy or whatever. Someone I played it to the other day described it as "OK, but it sounds like elevator prog rock"! We had a laugh and agreed to differ.
[Edit: Just realised on rereading your post that perhaps I misunderstood you and you were disappointed LDF were not included. If so, even better!]
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Yep, I miss it on the list, but maybe they are, as you indicated, too soft...
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Posted By: Radioactive Toy
Date Posted: May 22 2004 at 10:20
Alexander wrote:
lucas wrote:
Alexander wrote:
My favorite is Area's Arbeit Mach Feri.
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Arbeit macht frei (i. e. 'work makes you free' in german, unfortunately this slogan is quoted from the nazis )
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Exactly...(Thanks for the correction by the way)
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sounded more itallian that way
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: May 22 2004 at 11:18
Radioactive Toy wrote:
My favorite is Area's Arbeit Mach Feri.
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sounded more itallian that way
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 10 2005 at 00:35
To follow up on aerosol grey's too many stupid polls ... or rather to bring this Italian prog thread in line with the French, Dutch and Scandinavian before someone else starts one ...
Also of interest Clay70s list
1- Locanda delle Fate- Forse le Lucciole
2- Celeste- Principe di Giorno
3- Le Orme- Uomo di Pezza
4- Banco- Darwin
5- Banco- Io Sono Nato Libero
6- Le Orme- Felona and Sorona
7- Alphataurus- 1st
8- PFM- Per Un Amico
9- Allusa Fallax- 1st
10- PFM- Storia di un Minuto
11- Il Balleto di Bronzo- Ys
12- Cherry Five-1st
13- Museo Rosenbach- Zarathustra
13- Banco- 1st
14- Le Orme- Collage
15- Metamorfosi- Inferno
16- Quella Vecchia Locanda- Il tempo Della Gioia
17- Acqua Fragile- 1st
18- Maxophone- 1st
19- Semiramis- 1st
20- RDM- Contamonazione
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 10 2005 at 00:39
1-pfm - photos of ghost
2-banco - 1975
3-rdm - contamination
4- il volo essere o non essere
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Posted By: starofsirius
Date Posted: February 10 2005 at 01:17
I got to go with Zarathustra, I love that album.
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: February 10 2005 at 01:39
voted for BdB as my 3 favorites are not listed.
Pierrot Lunaire - Gudrun
Picchio dal Pozzo - same
Il Volo - Essere, o non essere?
I like the ones I dont have to dodge the lead singers
italian or worse bad english!
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Posted By: Eemu Ranta
Date Posted: February 10 2005 at 01:40
Quealla Vecchia Locanda - Il Tempo Della Gioia
Celeste - Principe di un Giorno
Banco - Io Sono Nato Libero
PFM - Per Un Amico
Picchio dal Pozzo - s/t
I haven't heard Zarathustra yet, definitely among my next months buys
along with Cinque.
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Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: February 10 2005 at 01:44
Non of the mentioned albums are among my most favorite.
I would choose by one of these three:
Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO (1972)
Premiata Forneria Marconi L'ISOLA DI NIENTE (1974)
Lucio Battisti ANIMA LATINA (1974)
Has anyone ever listened some of them?
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