Stratovarius
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Topic: Stratovarius
Posted By: #1floydfan
Subject: Stratovarius
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 19:37
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if you know who stratovarius is(not many do ) plz vote they should definitly be added ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/jimbobismykitty/?chartstyle=basicrt10 - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/basicrt10/recenttracks/jimbobismykitty.gif - |
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Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 19:46
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I have some of their albums and I like them very much, but I can't agree here. They are a great melodic power metal-listen, but NO WAY prog enough to be progarchives-compatible. ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 19:49
How much truth!!! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Marc Baum wrote:Posted By: #1floydfan
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 19:50
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what are you talking about they are totaly prog material what isn't prog about them ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/jimbobismykitty/?chartstyle=basicrt10 - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/basicrt10/recenttracks/jimbobismykitty.gif - |
Posted By: Xymphony
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 19:54
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 19:56
A better question would be, what is prog about them? 
They're one of the most straightforward and often painfully generic
power metal bands I've ever heard, and even then, their latest release
sounds more like Motley Crue than anything else, which is really
disappointing. Jens Johannson is an amazing keyboardist who I think
should be in a prog group, but Strato is most definitely not a prog
band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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Posted By: #1floydfan
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 20:02
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compared to some bands on here such as tool don't get me wrong i like tool there not prog though ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/jimbobismykitty/?chartstyle=basicrt10 - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/basicrt10/recenttracks/jimbobismykitty.gif - |
Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 20:06
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Better compare them with Brainstorm, who are also misplaced here, but no one seems to care. ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: #1floydfan
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 20:11
well it seems i care but that isn't the subject is it ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/jimbobismykitty/?chartstyle=basicrt10 - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/basicrt10/recenttracks/jimbobismykitty.gif - |
Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 20:15
Must correct myself here. The German power metal band Brainstorm (also a band I like, but not for prog) was on the archives a while ago, now they are deleted. Haven't looked in the index under B since longer. ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: IcedSabbath
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 23:45
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Strato are absolutely 100% NOT prog at all! They're the textbook definition of European Power Metal. Just because a band has amazing guitar and key solos doesn't make them progressive. |
Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 01:46
Their first album where definitely progressive, but then they became commercial 
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Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 02:05
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No thanks. There's more than enough unprog power metal in the archives already. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 03:14
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A good band with great musicians, but not a progressive band. Although they are certainly not less prog than Nigtwish. |
Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 03:38
agreed. ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 13:38
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agreed
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listen to Hella |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 14:14
Unfortunately - they are. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:39
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That can be said for Metallica they are PROG Releated between 1984-1988 but just barely, but I cant comment on Stratovarius as I am not familiar with them.
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Posted By: blazno
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:56
| No prog here just power metal |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 15:02
Personally think Jens Johansson could do much better (but presume this is paying for a pension) and could be stretched further playing jazz rock - did some great work with Jonas Hellborg early 90's and a couple of good albums with Mastermind. Wasted in Stratothingiebob |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 15:15
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They have some really extensive samples on their website ... have a listen! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Xeroth
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 20:13
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I put yes, mostly cuase I've seen Styx, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, and
Led Zeppelin on this site. There are definately a good majority
songs that have progressive elements. Their latest, in my opinion
sold out, is not prog at all. But when looking at Inifinte,
Elements Part 1 and 2, Visions, and Episode, I'd have to say no more
than related. Good likage to Kamelot, Nightwish, and plenty of
other symphonic/power metal bands. Of all the symphonic/power
metal bands I've outside the ones on this sight however, Stratovarius
is the only one that comes close. I hope for all life Hammerfall
and Sonata Artica doens't apear on this sight.
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: December 15 2006 at 20:29
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I've listen to "Episode", and several songs from other albums and they're definitely not prog, they're Power Metal, sometimes as cheesy as hell.
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Posted By: Tenken
Date Posted: January 07 2007 at 11:16
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Stratovarius = Power metal & Prog-Related (well just a Little, may be not ,but at least some songs have a little of prog) -------------  ¡¡El Rocanrol no morirá jamás!!
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 11:34
| NO!!! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 11:44
| Has the prog-metal team considered them Mike? |
Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 11:49
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I love them, but I'm undecided. I certainly wouldn't mind. ------------- [IMG]http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/amorfous/astro-1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 12:00
| Definitely NOT prog , but nevertheless a very good power metal band. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 12:08
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Sincerely Stratovarius is one of my favourite SPEED POWER (PROG) METAL BAND!!!
But not for PA and Prog World!!!
 STRATOVARIUS "EPISODE": for me the masterpiece of Speed Power (Prog) Metal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 12:10
Yes - they were rejected unanimously. At first some of us (including myself) voted yes because they're as prog (or prog-related) as Nightwish, but then we decided that we would not take Nightwish as a point of reference, as we would not add Nightwish today if we had the choice (they were added long before genre teams were even considered).  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 12:17
NIGHTWISH is only a POWER SYMPHONIC METAL band!!!!!!
http://www.nightwish.com/en/band/releases/details?id=2">  http://www.nightwish.com/en/band/releases/details?id=4"> http://www.nightwish.com/en/band/releases/details?id=5"> http://www.nightwish.com/en/band/releases/details?id=6"> are (for me) the best albums!!!-------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 12:24
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^ Agreed ... like Stratovarius they have quite a few progressive moments, but these moments are not what they're about or what makes them great.
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 06:50
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Stratovarius is a mix of Rainbow, Helloween and Yngwie Malmsteen and none of these influences of theirs justifies their inclusion... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 07:11
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I used to ba a crusader for the inclusion of this band (together with Sonata Arctica). After having heard most of their albums, I say no, they do not belong in the Progressive Metal category. Some albums have their progressive tendencies ( "Infinite" comes into mind) but as Mike said and I quote: these moments are not what they're about or what makes them great. ------------- 
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 11:30
As much as I like Stratovarius, they are not prog enough for this site. Maiden influenced prog metal with Somewhere in Time and 7th Son, and their albums do have a lot of progressive elements for a power metal band. Purple is very much proto-prog because they are the pioneers of the neo-classical style, which is used extensively in prog metal and symphonic. Led Zeppelin quite frankly influenced everyone, and their pioneering experimentations with Eastern music secure them a place on this list. Stratovarius came after all this, they use the neo-classical guitars of Purple and (later) Maidenm but tehy are not prog |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 11:39
Cheers Mike,
Does the team have a view on them being added in the Prog related category?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 11:49
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I agree with what Jody said about that a while ago: The PM team should only be concerned with prog bands, not prog-related. Personally I don't feel the need to add modern prog-related metal bands to the website, and neither do the other members (I think). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 12:14
Its a yes from me!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Stratavarius
Date Posted: May 24 2007 at 23:10
 radiohead isnt prog--------Stratovarios was like the founder for other bands that made more progressive stuff, so ADD THEM
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: May 25 2007 at 10:48
| For what I've heard no. Fine power metal, but no prog. |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: May 25 2007 at 11:15
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Definitely not. I can't find elements in their music that would justify any other categorization than power metal. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 25 2007 at 11:20
| Not prog metal, not even prog-related. |
Posted By: Draith
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 16:06
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I'd say some albums of theirs could probably be catagorized as prog-related, especially considering bands like Masterplan, Blue Oyster Cult, and especially Nightwish being in these archives at all. I'd probably consider Elements Part 1 more progressive than most albums from any of those bands. The only justification I can see for NOT puting these guys in is that their music clings very much to power metal, but than again so do Kamelot, Symphony X, who are considered completely progressive metal. They have good song writing, some compositions on the longer side, and pretty well extended solos (especially from the keyboard) and varying tempo and mood changes within compositions. I say Stratovarius should be placed in prog-related, but I definetly don't consider them progish enough to be in prog-metal subgenre, even if Queensryche is. |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 16:14
| no, power metal often sounds like it has proggy elements, but very rarely do they exist (i.e. Symphony X) |
Posted By: Skoojoo
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 16:35
If they do, using Symphony X as an example, why are they in this site? or Kamelot? Honestly, it seems some of the people here have there head in the sand and will rate music cause they have heard one album. While Statovarius' self titled album and a few othewrs may be far from progressive, they have some albums that are atleast prog-related, such as both Elements albums. And on that note, How can Queensryche (whcih even most fans dont consider that progressive) be called prog-metal and not prog-related yet most of the people here wont even let Stratovarius INTO the lists, when they have even more progressive elements than them. The people dont consider them even the slightest bit "proggy" need to listen up and lower their noses about 3 inches out of the air. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:18
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Stratovarius have extremely simple song structures ... even on both Elements albums. Maybe an inclusion as prog-related would be justified in the light of some bands which are already here - Nightwish being the most obvious example. Queensryche ... I don't see why one would use them as an example to compare with Stratovarius. IMO they are often bashed on the basis of Operation: Mindcrime which is admittedly not very progressive ... but albums like The Warning and Promised Land are. And let's not forget that the 1980s were an entirely different time ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:19
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NO My gosh they are just plain boring- and like Mike said above, rather simple. ------------- |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:21
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To be fair, I only have Elements pt. 2, but I don't think I have heard many albums worse than that one. Not prog either.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:22
I guess that the impending addition of Blind Guardian will add some heat to this discussion ... 
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:31
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Stratovarious are a very borderline case, excellent musicians but mainly just strong melodies in their songwriting.
I would say yes to Blind Guardian though.
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Posted By: Skoojoo
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:56
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you call their songs boring? dude your tastes are limited to progressive and progressive only if you make a statemant like that. Their songs are far from simple, but then again all you know is stuff that is SOO complicated that you cant just have fun listening to music once in awhile. I like the complicated stuff alright but i know where to draw a line in fun and complex. Open your minds perhaps.... a centimeter and let the light in, there is more to music than just over-analysis. I like Progressive music, but i am not about to prove a stereotype that progressive listeners are stuck up and snobby about how great their music is, because it isnt the only thing worth listening to. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 20:46
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Elements is not their best album... DESTINY is much better....Prog related wouldn't be out of place... Blind Guardian? Why not Stratovarius? And hell, nobody has heard the prog-related efforts by another finnish band, Amorphis, whose music is not limited to TALES OF A THOUSAND LAKES and are NOT death metal.... This band is even more prog-related than blind guardian or stratovarius... but in this discussion, I would have said no if blind guardian wasn't going to be included, but if they are, Stratovarius is more melodic, slightly more progressive (or related)... Yes, their structures are simple.... but that shouldn't be the only measure.... great bands like Blackfield couldn't be simpler than they are... ------------- 
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 20:55
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No. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 03:02
The Elements albums *are* simplistic ... they may be symphonic and embellished with lengthy solos and unexpected drum fills, but it's still rather ordinary power metal as far as songwriting is concerned. I am many things, but not a "prog snob" ... but Stratovarius are really boring to me, I can't help it.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 03:03
Blind Guardian will be included mainly for Nightfall in Middle-Earth - have you heard that album? I mean properly, with multiple listens ...  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 13:47
Well, not that one....
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 13:55
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Nightfall is to Blind Guardian what Queen II is to Queen.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 14:13
We'll have to give it a try then... tell me, is it truly "proggie", full-100% prog or just slightly prog?  Well, better yet, is it really good or just by-the-books power metal with prog elements?
I like Stratovarius because of very string melodies, though Elements isn't really that good. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 14:19
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^ It's ... a very unique album. It's most certainly not just power metal with prog elements ... they blended folk/medieval elements with melodic power metal, added very complex vocal arrangements and use unusual song structures (there are still choruses and verses though). They also managed to make the music fit the lyrics/mood ... the whole album has a very tight concept, based on the Silmarillion (Tolkien) with some narrative parts too. Have a listen: http://www.myspace.com/blindguardian - http://www.myspace.com/blindguardian ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 15:26
better yet, I have a few extra bucks in my pocket, so the nearest record store (well, the only one where they sell metal and some (SOME) prog), here I go!
Oh, don't say "there are still choruses"...I couldn't live any metal without choruses... I'm a chorus man!  (don't to be mistaken with a choir boy )-------------
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 15:40
Stratovarius: Certainly Not....they are just like 'Ten' but with some slightly longer tunes...
Blind Guardian: No... you know I love them, and have given their music a lot of thought in this connection, but I personally just can't make a case for including them...
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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 20:04
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I think Stratovarius is indeed a good power metal band. But its also been done and isnt really prog. On that note Nightwish shouldnt be on here haha. But hey what do it know. don´t get so worked up over it. just because they arent added to PA doesnt make them lesser of a band -------------  
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. but they arent prog...sorry