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Topic: Suicide
Posted By: tardis
Subject: Suicide
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 02:09

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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 02:11
Yes, more than once !!

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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 02:11

No



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 02:12
Totally What good is Life If not to Question It?


Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 04:38
I was very suicidal these past 5 years, I have gotten past that and no longer want to commit suicide but I do have depression problems

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 05:07

Yes, but not for a long time now.



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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 05:13

No, but I heard from several people in my surrounding that the thought crossed their minds more than once in some period in their lives.

It's interesting to hear from other forum members.



Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 05:50
No, then I wouldn't be able to listen to prog anymore!


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 06:15
Yes, many years ago, but i've never been so bad to really wish to die.

Most suicide attemps are in fact SOS which express a state of bad being IMO.
Ir reminds me of the Bowie's song BTW: "Rock'n'roll suicide".
"You're too young to do that, too old to choose that"...


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 06:51

I have had repeated run ins with depression and used to day dream about dying, but never actually planned or seriously considered doing myself in.

I hate it when people claim that suicide is the 'cowards way out' Taking ones own life takes courage and conviction. No matter how bad things may be in your life, actually ending your own life goes against ones basic gut instincts for survival.



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 06:52
Yes, and I keep having suicidal thoughts. I've learned to ignore them, however. There's just too many great people out there to make an exit on them like that.

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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 12:23

Yes, but only for a showrt time... maybe two weeks...

 



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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:11

Nope.



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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:37

Very recently I've had some bad depression problems... And it did cross my mind more then once... Blaksword is right bout it. Either it takes a lot guts, or the person is insane...

And most of the thought I had where like: If I'd die would they/he/she care? Would they feel the pain I feel right now? etc etc."



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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:38

I typed about 20 different things but they all seemed too emotional ...



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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:42
Never even considered it. Bit risky, when you can never know for sure that it's not going to get better.


Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:55
yeah, once a couple of years ago, but it quiclkly left

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Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 15:06

 

When I was very younger I used to think about death and was quite depressed for awhile, then, I let it go. Also, couple of weeks ago, I thought about it in the morning, because life became too much boring to appreciate.. Too much stuyding, too much wasting the time of my life.. The same old boring routine of everyday..

Though, to be honest, I'm really ashamed of myself. I'm a 'kiddie', what troubles could I possibly have to think over it, when there're people whom are facing things in their life I don't even want to think about, but it never went that far to actually willness to commit suicide, only depressions. I'm a person you can bring into depression and sadness in words only..

Lately I've also started to get sadder, more quiet. I'm a pessimistic. Dunno really why I'm saying it, but I guess I have my own dark qualities. They say Polish people are cold, I guess I am a bit cold, god knows why, really annoys the chicks though..

Funny thing, though, I never thought I was going to say this, there're things better be buried..



Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 16:34
I've been depressed and thought about killing myself, but I never actually attempted through.  I think the vast majority of people have at least thought about killing themselves.  Anyway, I haven't been depressed in a while, actually I've been feeling pretty good lately.


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Posted By: Lorak
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 16:53
This poll is shocking!
You people need one of these   

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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 16:58

We need the hugging thread ressurected!!! Give me some Love!

 

 

 

 



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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 17:38

Nah...i have had thoughts that it would better to be dead but not of killing myself. Personally i feel its not the best way to deal with the issues, its only the easy way out. But w/e.

Very interesting results.



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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 20:09

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 20:23

Yes... but was it really that serious? 



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 21:29

Never even considered it.I love life.

And no matter how rough life gets it will always get better.

Tardis,you should really try to get some councilling,it might help.



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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 21:33

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 20 2005 at 21:38

Originally posted by tardis tardis wrote:

Progtologist I have and am. But thanks for the suggestion, you're very perceptive.

Well,I can tell by your responses in the forum and some pics you have used in your sig that you aren't doing too well right now.

Try to talk to someone,because if you suffer from depression this is a bad time of the year for it,it gets even worse during the holidays.



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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 03:19

Although I have been through all manner of bereavements, break ups and knock backs, I found that any real depression and anxiety I suffered seemed to be sparked by things out of my control; conflicts around the world, the fear of terminal illness etc. Ive also felt overwhelmed by how utterly insignificant we ALL are, overwhelmed to the point of panic attack. It's obvious that my own personal experiences are the reason behind my 'darker' days, but it seems as though I'm so frightened to address these, so instead I allow things beyond my control to masquerade as my real problems.

That way I'm exempt from having to do anything about it. It's more of an avoidance strategy than a coping one!

Does that sound insane?? Does anyone actually know what I'm talking about??



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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 12:12
Crossed my mind once or twice, but I figured it would get better and it does. But now I get anxiety attacks sometimes. My guess is that it's because I don't know what to do next in my life. High school's almost over and I'm a bit lost. But it'll be OK.

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 16:28
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Although I have been through all manner of bereavements, break ups and knock backs, I found that any real depression and anxiety I suffered seemed to be sparked by things out of my control; conflicts around the world, the fear of terminal illness etc. Ive also felt overwhelmed by how utterly insignificant we ALL are, overwhelmed to the point of panic attack. It's obvious that my own personal experiences are the reason behind my 'darker' days, but it seems as though I'm so frightened to address these, so instead I allow things beyond my control to masquerade as my real problems.

That way I'm exempt from having to do anything about it. It's more of an avoidance strategy than a coping one!

Does that sound insane?? Does anyone actually know what I'm talking about??

I do.

But at the end of the day, all of this is due to two things:

1. Reality

2. Biochemistry

Feeling depressed is mostly about biochemistry, IMO. It hurts, so we become pessimistic, and then it hurts even more. A vicious circle. But we can realise that what we're dealing with is basically physical pain; pain not that different from the occasional one. Yeah, it's definitely more of a b*tch to get rid of and it's not really localised in one point, but it's physical pain. It is possible to "detach" one's thoughts from it at least to a certain extent and break that vicious circle. Same thing with fear etc. And if we manage to detach, we have more power and confidence to work on the first cause - reality. It works quite well for me, at least.       



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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 16:55
If i die tomorrow, i'd be all right, because i believe, that after we're gone,the spirit carries on...


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 17:13
...or are eaten by the eagle






Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 18:46

Somewhat 1 year and a half or 2 ago, but never convinced myself to do it. You know, I just felt it would surely replace in, if not, well...

It has taken time, but my life is getting good since a 3-4 months... there's some positive things that happen, you're life is always better than some others. be patient, that's all.



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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 21 2005 at 23:31
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Although I have been through all manner of bereavements, break ups and knock backs, I found that any real depression and anxiety I suffered seemed to be sparked by things out of my control; conflicts around the world, the fear of terminal illness etc. Ive also felt overwhelmed by how utterly insignificant we ALL are, overwhelmed to the point of panic attack. It's obvious that my own personal experiences are the reason behind my 'darker' days, but it seems as though I'm so frightened to address these, so instead I allow things beyond my control to masquerade as my real problems.

That way I'm exempt from having to do anything about it. It's more of an avoidance strategy than a coping one!

Does that sound insane?? Does anyone actually know what I'm talking about??

I do.

But at the end of the day, all of this is due to two things:

1. Reality

2. Biochemistry

Feeling depressed is mostly about biochemistry, IMO. It hurts, so we become pessimistic, and then it hurts even more. A vicious circle. But we can realise that what we're dealing with is basically physical pain; pain not that different from the occasional one. Yeah, it's definitely more of a b*tch to get rid of and it's not really localised in one point, but it's physical pain. It is possible to "detach" one's thoughts from it at least to a certain extent and break that vicious circle. Same thing with fear etc. And if we manage to detach, we have more power and confidence to work on the first cause - reality. It works quite well for me, at least.       



I certainly know where you're coming from ... 2 factors played a big part in my battles ...

1) A family history of dipolar depression ...

2) Moving house 26 or 27 times in my first 29 years ... living in some of the world's poorest countries and some of its wealthiest ... there is a feeling of responsibility and helplessness that can and has led to despair ...

It is indeed a viscious circle, but ever since I became a parent, I have refused to allow myself to give into it ... which is far from saying being a parent is a solution ... in many cases it can make things worse ...  it has just forced me to switch when I see the warning signs coming (I'm sure you guys know what I mean) ... cos there's simply no room in my life for it ... I have too important a job to do.




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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 10:29

I've been very depressed on a lot of occassions but thankfully it hasn't happened to me for a long time now. I hope I'll never be depressed again but you never know when it will strike. In my experience depression is the worst thing that can happen to anybody and I wish there was some way that we could get rid of it.

My advice to anyone thinking about committing suicide is DON'T DO IT! I personally know someone who did and the devastation that it causes to family and friends is unbelievable. It ruins many lives. When you're depressed you don't think that anybody will miss you but you're wrong - THEY WILL.



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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 11:14
I've pondered it a few times, but never very seriously.

I've also unfortunately had a suicide in my family history, and it is absolutely devastating to those left behind. Bob Greece is right. You would be missed, no matter how it may feel otherwise.

Besides, you'd never know if you missed the triumphant return of Prog's Golden Years!


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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 13:05
no....I just wouldn't know how to go about organising it...

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Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 00:53

If I had to kill someone, I would not start by myself

Seriously, I did have a depression couple of years ago, but not to the point of killing myself.



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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: December 23 2005 at 17:29

I think all of us had thought "what's our purpose in life" "why continue to live and suffer" etc.

The thing that frightens me the most in my life is routine. I hate it. I think it makes you a robot....

Thats why I try to do something different every day (apart from being in PA )

So my advise is similar to what Bob Greece said. MOVE ON. TRY TO BE AS HAPPY AS DAMN POSSIBLE.....



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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 14:26

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Yes, and I keep having suicidal thoughts. I've learned to ignore them, however. There's just too many great people out there to make an exit on them like that.

the same goes for me...i have so many great friends--and MUSIC--if i wasn't able to play music adn compose it as well as I do I'd most certainly be dead right now.



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Posted By: NecroManiac
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 16:11
Yes, but only when I'm drunk or waking up in the morning.
Also, when I'm down, depressed, bored, hangover, moody, unhygienic and/or listening to the band.


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 16:18

Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

If i die tomorrow, i'd be all right, because i believe, that after we're gone,the spirit carries on...

Yes, and I've said it out loud too.



Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 17:14

I was very suicidal when I was 11-12 years old, but not anymore.



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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: December 25 2005 at 18:39
Yes i often have thougts of suicide
actually I was just thinking about it just last night


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 15 2007 at 23:53
Yep, why else would I search for suicide in the forum search?

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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 00:00
Not really. I'm too afraid of pain to ever really do it. I find other vices for my depression.

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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 00:16
a few times in the past, but not nowadays

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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 00:22
Never even crosses my mind.  We only get, say, 70 or 80 years (maybe even a few more if we're lucky!) on this planet, and then its all over.  It strikes me as so ludicrously stupid to take your own life that I can't even find strong enough words to describe it.  

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 00:34
You must never feel overwhelmed enough by your lot in life, then.

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 00:41
During my worst moments i thought about it, but never seriously considered it.  There were too many people in my life I couldn't imagine hurting in that way.  Just the thought of my mother's tears would be enough to stop me from any such idea. 

Pain/stress/anxiety is temporary, remember that.  It will pass.  Suicide is a poor solution to a temporary problem.  Take it off the table my friend. 


Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 01:08
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

You must never feel overwhelmed enough by your lot in life, then.


I can say with absolute confidence that no circumstance, regardless of how overwhelming, would ever cause me to consider killing myself.  To me, there is nothing worse than being dead. 


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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 06:24
I think about it a lot. Never attempted it though.


Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 06:32

My mother have tried to commit suicide (overdoses medication) two times but although I have gone through some very bad periods, I always found the motivation to go on with my life, with thanks to my wife, my best friends and ... the music Thumbs%20Up 



Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 07:08

Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

If i die tomorrow, i'd be all right, because i believe, that after we're gone,the spirit carries on...

Andrew, you've been listening to too much Dream Theater...Wink
 
I have to say, I'm quite disturbed by this poll, with 32/57 respondents admitting to having 'seriously considered committing suicide'...Shocked
 
...anyone would get the impression that Prog Rock fans are by nature considerably more emotionally unstable than national averages would suggest...Confused


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 09:18
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

If i die tomorrow, i'd be all right, because i believe, that after we're gone,the spirit carries on...


Andrew, you've been listening to too much Dream Theater...Wink

 

I have to say, I'm quite disturbed by this poll, with 32/57 respondents admitting to having 'seriously considered committing suicide'...Shocked

 

...anyone would get the impression that Prog Rock fans are by nature considerably more emotionally unstable than national averages would suggest...Confused


Either that, or by their very nature, prog fans are more sensitive and analytical than your avarage Joe (without wishing to over simplify and generalise things)and are therefore more naturally prone to self analysis, and in turn possible self destruction.

Often, the most happy of people are apparently the most stupid..

Again, without wishing to over simplify and generalise things..



Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 09:30
I think Andy hit the nail on the head..  When you are more sensitive than the average Joe, it happens that life gets a bit too much sometimes, and you think about the "final solution", so to speak. I know I have on several occasions, even if I have NEVER acted upon it.

However, I don't think that means one doesn't love life... It's just that we are not machines, and there are times when one is less reactive when things start going the wrong way.  I know this is what happened to me last spring, after a series of  very negative events.


Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 09:34
I think a lot about dying but not about suicide. my philosophy is an odd one but nonetheless, I'm not bothering with suicide, it seems too contemptful. I'm hoping for an accident which hurts no-one else. ;P

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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 09:59
Just write a song about it... it's better than actually doing it.


Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 10:21

its interesting that you used the expression 'the final solution', Raff.....Ermm

I remember my Austrian Jewish Grandmother using the term to explain why almost her entire ancestry around Salzburg was liquidated during the early '40's...
 
farbeit from me to attempt to belittle anyone's personal problems, but there is a general trend among some growing up with the economic benefits and political stability of a first world country over the past 40 years, to become too self-indulgent, narcissistic and inward looking, for their own health...
 
no offence meant toward either Raff, or Andy, whatsoever....


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 10:33
No offence taken, Jared... However, I hope you noticed the quotation marks I used, as I am very well aware of the historical meaning of that expression.

Anyway, I partly agree with the second part of your post, even though you should remember that suicide is very often the result of depression, which is a clinical condition and not something that people get when they have nothing better to do.


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 12:04
Interestingly enough, although bipolar depression seems to run in the family, I've never come close to considering suicide, nor have I ever been seriously depressed.

Of course, I have my ups and downs, but seeing how a family member has struggled with severe depression for a decade, calling my not-so-good days a depression might be stretching it a little.


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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 12:13
No, never.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 16 2007 at 12:20
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

its interesting that you used the expression 'the final solution', Raff.....Ermm


I remember my Austrian Jewish Grandmother using the term to explain why almost her entire ancestry around Salzburg was liquidated during the early '40's...

 

farbeit from me to attempt to belittle anyone's personal problems, but there is a general trend among some growing up with the economic benefits and political stability of a first world country over the past 40 years, to become too self-indulgent, narcissistic and inward looking, for their own health...

 

no offence meant toward either Raff, or Andy, whatsoever....


None taken at all, good sir..

It's an important point you raise, but I have to say I have tried sparing a thought for 'those less fortunate than me' when I'm at my lowest eb, and to be frank I dont give a sh!t about them..

The only time I am upset or moved by the serious plight of others, is ironically when I am reasonably happy. It is only when I'm feeling relatively well adjusted that I can consider the feelings of others, and to a degree empathise. All mental illness, by it's very nature is 'selfish' through no fault of the sufferer, and forces the sufferer to constantly examine their own failings.

On a more positive note, I've known some very depressed individuals who have thrown themself into good causes in an attempt to put their own problems in some kind of context. In some cases it has worked well, and given them a sense of worth and value they lacked before. However, if their condition has led to 'co-dependency' where they seek constant approval for their actions to feel better about themselves, they will merely spend their lives dodging the very issues they need to tackle head on.


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 17 2007 at 17:20
Alot of people I know have, at one point, seriously considered it. I don't see anything wrong with it, since a lot of people have thought of it. As long as you don't carry it out.

And no. Actually I never have considered it.


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 00:07
Damn- wrong tome to listen to Sigur Ros- and read this thread.....

Can I get a Hug

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To answer the question- NO. Never- ever, ever. Too many surprises around every corner of life.




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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 03:52
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Often, the most happy of people are apparently the most stupid..


Ignorance is indeed bliss - interestingly enough, it's been found that those suffering from manic depression and/or bipolar episodes rarely take the last step during a 'down', it's nearly always on the 'up' phase; the argument being "I'm feeling good, but I know I'll feel bad soon, so I may as well check out on a high" (gross simplification, I know, but you get the idea).

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 18 2007 at 08:30
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Often, the most happy of people are apparently the most stupid..


Ignorance is indeed bliss - interestingly enough, it's been found that those suffering from manic depression and/or bipolar episodes rarely take the last step during a 'down', it's nearly always on the 'up' phase; the argument being "I'm feeling good, but I know I'll feel bad soon, so I may as well check out on a high" (gross simplification, I know, but you get the idea).


I can see how they might arrive at that decision on a high, if they know only too well how bad the lows can be.

I had read that if you suspect someone you know is contemplating suicide, the signs to look out for are a sense of calm, almost content resignation, and also evidence that they may be 'getting their affairs in order'

It also seems that case that the sort of people who 'threaten' to commit suicide rarely do.


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 11:31
Never.  Homicide on the other hand....Embarrassed

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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 11:52
I had depression in my mid-teen life due to a crapload of acne, and a crappy and somewhat lonely life. Suicide definitively slipped my mind and I sometimes thought quite a bit about it, but I never seriously considered to attempt it due to two reasons:
_I would crush my loved ones
_I knew I had potential to a good future, academically speaking. (I was right, in my first 2 years of university, I haven't had anything lower than an A for now)

PS: I'm fine now Tongue


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 16:04
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

No, then I wouldn't be able to listen to prog anymore!
 
Thats one of the main reasons i havent,well music in general.But i shouldnt really talk about it Unhappy


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Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 17:23
I love how over half of the people who voted on this thread are a bunch of emo kids.


Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 17:29
Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

I love how over half of the people who voted on this thread are a bunch of emo kids.
Funny you should write that, as you're the only one who wrote in this thread that is unuder 18 years of age (at least in the 4th page)...
 
Just a few words of caution, newbie : don't insult too many people here, especially if you have not been insulted in the first place.


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Posted By: activetopics
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 19:43
Ive been really really depressed and have considered it somewhat, but given the reasons for being depressed, I figured things would get better and they did. Not to mention it goes directly against my religion. Everyone gets the blues. 


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 20:16
Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

I love how over half of the people who voted on this thread are a bunch of emo kids.
 
wrong thread to insult people


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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 22:31
Yes, I was at that point several times. I remember thinking about the comment that It is a cowardly act. I don't see it that way. I was beaten down, and had no drive left to go on. To me it seemed perfectly logical. In a way it was. I couldn't go on living life the way I was. In a sense, I did die. That person no longer exists. However, I am glad that I was never able to actually end my physical existence. The life I have now has revealed many wondrous things to me. Had I not been able to turn everything around, there would have been no point in going on. But, neither would I have had the opportunity to do so.

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 23:30
Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

I love how over half of the people who voted on this thread are a bunch of emo kids.
 
I do not welcome anyone who wantonly treats such a heavy subject so lightly. Correct yourself, or I will never respect you, like you, or welcome you at this site.


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 19 2007 at 23:44
No Way


Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 14:25
Not really.


Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 16:08
You know what´s funny about suicidal people? That they still live! LOLLOLLOLLOL

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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 16:20
Pardon the graphic description, but if I was lying somehere near my crashed car on a side road at night with my bones broken and intestines strewn about, I would definitely consider suicide a good thing.

And believe me, there are ways of making even the toughest people feel suicidal.


Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 22:01
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

And believe me, there are ways of making even the toughest people feel suicidal.


I'm afraid you misunderstand my position on this matter; the reason that suicide will never be an option for me is not because I am "tough," but instead because of my firm belief that there is no life after death; you only get the time here you are allotted, and nothing could possibly make me want to cut that short. 

For me, life will always infinitely better than death, regardless of how gruesome the circumstances. 


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Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 22:18
I always consider the possibility; I usually say "if a have a gun in my hands, I put it against my head and shot", but I've never got a gun....... however, the chance of leave this senseless life is always atractive and the unique guideline is not to suffer so much pain. Smile

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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 22:34
Im very surprised at the results- Very.

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Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 22:42

Never crossed my mind.



Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 22:52

was the joke about suicidal people not being dead supposed to be funny cuz their still alive?



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Posted By: Novalis
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 23:02
I will confess to feeling the desire to run from my current life to make a new life at times.
 
But that's 'cos I love life and want the best from it.Smile


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 20 2007 at 23:10
 

Frank Zappa - Suicide Chump

You say there ain't no use in livin'
It's all a waste of time
'N you wanna throw your life away, well
People that's just fine
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it right the first time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump

You say there ain't no light a-shinin'
Through the bushes up ahead
'N we're all gonna be so sorry
When we find out you are dead
Go head on and get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it right the first time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump

Now maybe you're scared of jumpin'
'N poison makes you sick
'N you want a little attention
'N you need it pretty quick
Don't wanna mess your face up
Or we won't know if it's you
Aw, there's just so much to worry about
Now what you gonna do?
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then

Stern%20Smile


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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 18:00
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Go head on 'n get it over with then
Stern%20Smile


It sounds so easy, but let me see you tryLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

Yes it crossed my mind a lot of times and many of those times pretty seriously, but I doubt I'll ever have the guts!Wink Either way I'll first post a message here so till then feel safe about my well being...LOL


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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 18:07
Never ever
 
Yeah, I get in some trouble, and I may get into some arguments with people I love, but suicide will never be a solution I would ever consider to get rid of some pain.
 
unless I lived in seatle...


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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 18:12
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Never ever
 
Yeah, I get in some trouble, and I may get into some arguments with people I love, but suicide will never be a solution I would ever consider to get rid of some pain.
 
unless I lived in seatle...
 
I live about half an hour away from the one time car theft capital of North America. Shocked
 
But, honestly, I've been depressed and lonely, but would never consider suicide.


Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:14
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I have had repeated run ins with depression and used to day dream about dying, but never actually planned or seriously considered doing myself in.

I hate it when people claim that suicide is the 'cowards way out' Taking ones own life takes courage and conviction. No matter how bad things may be in your life, actually ending your own life goes against ones basic gut instincts for survival.


I hate to quote Ann Landers, but she said it best when she said that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.  If & when you get to that point, please understand that it is time to seek professional help.
From a diagnosed Bi-polar friend.


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:18
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

 

Frank Zappa - Suicide Chump

You say there ain't no use in livin'
It's all a waste of time
'N you wanna throw your life away, well
People that's just fine
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it right the first time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump

You say there ain't no light a-shinin'
Through the bushes up ahead
'N we're all gonna be so sorry
When we find out you are dead
Go head on and get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it right the first time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump

Now maybe you're scared of jumpin'
'N poison makes you sick
'N you want a little attention
'N you need it pretty quick
Don't wanna mess your face up
Or we won't know if it's you
Aw, there's just so much to worry about
Now what you gonna do?
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then

Stern%20Smile

Ya know, sometimes Zappa had his head up his ass when it came to putting his beliefs out there. In this case here, he could probably see his esophagus.
OF course, he died of lung cancer. Not bad for a non-druggie. If you don't count nicotine as a drug, which apparently his self righteous ass didn't think so. Thumbs%20Down


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:19
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

I always consider the possibility; I usually say "if a have a gun in my hands, I put it against my head and shot", but I've never got a gun....... however, the chance of leave this senseless life is always atractive and the unique guideline is not to suffer so much pain. Smile

As opposed to leaving your family & friends in pain ? Confused


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:23
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Pardon the graphic description, but if I was lying somehere near my crashed car on a side road at night with my bones broken and intestines strewn about, I would definitely consider suicide a good thing.

And believe me, there are ways of making even the toughest people feel suicidal.

Just as there are ways of making the weakest people feel strong. NEVER EVER EVER FORGET THAT IF THERE IS ONE PERSON IN THIS WORLD, EVEN ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT ONE PERSON WOULD BE AFFECTED BY YOUR SUICIDE, YOU MUST THINK OF THAT. NOT BECAUSE THE OTHER PERSON'S FEELINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS, BUT BECAUSE YOUR LIFE, YOUR BEING ALIVE, MEANS SOMETHING TO SOMEONE ELSE.
Caps unlocked, heart closes up again. Please, life is a long road. The stretch you're on today is no indication of what may come down the road.


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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:26
I've been depressed but not to the point of suicidal thoughts.

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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:26
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

I love how over half of the people who voted on this thread are a bunch of emo kids.
Funny you should write that, as you're the only one who wrote in this thread that is unuder 18 years of age (at least in the 4th page)...
 
Just a few words of caution, newbie : don't insult too many people here, especially if you have not been insulted in the first place.

P.S. You may want to add that Alcohol is more often a factor in Suicides than Depression. Talk about your surprising risk factors, eh.


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:32
Originally posted by activetopics activetopics wrote:

Ive been really really depressed and have considered it somewhat, but given the reasons for being depressed, I figured things would get better and they did. Not to mention it goes directly against my religion. Everyone gets the blues. 

Da blues ? Now that's an understatement ! Just hope that you never ever ever get that dark feeling where you just can't or don't want to resist the temptation to solve your temporary problems with a permanent solution. Religious interdictions rarely work. Which would you prefer - the hell that your church prescribes or the hell you sincerely believe you are living ?
So if you say you've been really depressed, my  feeling is that  all you really were is  kinda blue. There is a  BIG BIG difference, OK !  Oh, and by the way, if your answer or  prescription for someone who is actually clinically depressed (yes, there is a defining line) is that they "snap" out of it, it says a lot more about your understanding of the illness than you care to know.  SMARTEN UP.



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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:35
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

 

Frank Zappa - Suicide Chump

You say there ain't no use in livin'
It's all a waste of time
'N you wanna throw your life away, well
People that's just fine
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it right the first time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump

You say there ain't no light a-shinin'
Through the bushes up ahead
'N we're all gonna be so sorry
When we find out you are dead
Go head on and get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it right the first time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide Chump

Now maybe you're scared of jumpin'
'N poison makes you sick
'N you want a little attention
'N you need it pretty quick
Don't wanna mess your face up
Or we won't know if it's you
Aw, there's just so much to worry about
Now what you gonna do?
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then
Go head on 'n get it over with then

Stern%20Smile

Ya know, sometimes Zappa had his head up his ass when it came to putting his beliefs out there. In this case here, he could probably see his esophagus.
OF course, he died of lung cancer. Not bad for a non-druggie. If you don't count nicotine as a drug, which apparently his self righteous ass didn't think so. Thumbs%20Down


Actually, Zappa died of PROSTATE cancer. 


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:35
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Alot of people I know have, at one point, seriously considered it. I don't see anything wrong with it, since a lot of people have thought of it. As long as you don't carry it out.

And no. Actually I never have considered it.

I DO SEE SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT.  At a certain point, it is a sign that professional help may be needed. And I don't mean just when someone is thinking that things are tough. I mean when they're just hanging on by a thread.


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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:38
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Never even crosses my mind.  We only get, say, 70 or 80 years (maybe even a few more if we're lucky!) on this planet, and then its all over.  It strikes me as so ludicrously stupid to take your own life that I can't even find strong enough words to describe it.  

For your sake, let's hope you never find the thoughts strong enough to justify it. Those most vulnerable are those who take the possibility the lightest - "It could never happen to me ... until the bullet hits the bone ..."


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