I don't particularly care too much if they're on here or not. I just want to see what everyone else thinks.

If Radiohead is on PA, why couldn't the Flaming Lips be?

Peace Frog wrote: If Radiohead is on PA, why couldn't the Flaming Lips be?

Plese stop with this kind of arguments, if a mistake is done it's not a valid excuse to commit other even worst.

Give reasons, don't say, "Well "A" is not prog "B" neither, but if "A" is here, let's include "B".

Flaming Lips is just Alternative Pop.

Iván 

Plenty of Flaming Lips on PA already... or should I say Flaming Fingertips

That sucked, I know, I know

Granting that Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots is a very progressive album, if not quite prog, The Flaming Lips don't really belong here. Too much of their catelogue is alternative/psychedelic pop. Their next album, At War with the Mystics, is described as jazz/electronica. I have high hopes for that album.

As of now, no, they don't belong in the Archives.

stonebeard wrote: Granting that Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots is a very progressive album, if not quite prog, The Flaming Lips don't really belong here. Too much of their catelogue is alternative/psychedelic pop. Their next album, At War with the Mystics, is described as jazz/electronica. I have high hopes for that album. As of now, no, they don't belong in the Archives.

There is an mp3 up on their website off the new album. I gave it a listen. I don't hear jazz in this particular song. It sounds like a song that would be off of one of their recent albums. It's still pretty good. Do you know when the album is due out?

Secondly, I agree with your statement. Their early material, which I do not like, is nowhere near prog. Yoshimi is great, as is The Soft Bulletin, definitely creative work, but it isn't prog.

I haven't heard Zaireeka; is it any good?

Moatilliatta wrote: stonebeard wrote: Granting that Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots is a very progressive album, if not quite prog, The Flaming Lips don't really belong here. Too much of their catelogue is alternative/psychedelic pop. Their next album, At War with the Mystics, is described as jazz/electronica. I have high hopes for that album. As of now, no, they don't belong in the Archives. There is an mp3 up on their website off the new album. I gave it a listen. I don't hear jazz in this particular song. It sounds like a song that would be off of one of their recent albums. It's still pretty good. Do you know when the album is due out? Secondly, I agree with your statement. Their early material, which I do not like, is nowhere near prog. Yoshimi is great, as is The Soft Bulletin, definitely creative work, but it isn't prog. I haven't heard Zaireeka; is it any good?

"Mr. Ambulance Driver?" Yeah, I was surpried by that. I had read somewhere, probably on the Lips' site, that At War with the Mysics would be a jazz/electronic fusion album."Mr. Ambulance Driver" is just a good, sad pop song. I hope the rest of the album is jazz/electronic. The latest I've heard about its release date is February, though that was quite awhile ago. It should be out by summertime.

Yoshimi and The Soft Bulletin are vastly different, yet similar. Yoshimi uses much more keyboards and electronica, yet both retain the lush sound of latter-day Lips. One can see how the Lips can easily bloom into a prog band. This is why I have such high hopes for At War with the Mysics.

Zaireeka is great, even closer to prog (though sill a far cry away) than Yoshimi. It's very inaccessible, but beautiful and interesting to listen to/expeiriment with. I don't listen to it often, because it's a pain in the arse to get 4 different sound sources together at one time.

goose wrote: I certainly agree with the first bit, although I'm a bit less sure on the last sentence. I think by any regular definition it wouldn't be a stretch to call them art rock - nothing to do with prog, but since this site also has a subgenre of prog called art rock it gets a bit confusing.

Art Rock is not an invention of this forum, Art Rock is clearly described by most sites and it's the borderline between Prog and mainstream, more precisely the borderline of Prog and AOR.

Fklaming Lips was never, is not and will never be a Progressive Rock band, they are Alternative and nothing more.

I don't agree with Radiohead either, but If I had to choose I'd stay with Radiohead, they are better and much closer to dark Prog at least in their last albums.

And to be honest, Peace Frog's argument is not very convicing either

I don't particularly care too much if they're on here or not. I just want to see what everyone else thinks

Please if not even you care about them how in hell can yopu ask for their inclusion?

Iván

ivan_2068 wrote: goose wrote: I certainly agree with the first bit, although I'm a bit less sure on the last sentence. I think by any regular definition it wouldn't be a stretch to call them art rock - nothing to do with prog, but since this site also has a subgenre of prog called art rock it gets a bit confusing. Art Rock is not an invention of this forum, Art Rock is clearly described by most sites and it's the borderline between Prog and mainstream, more precisely the borderline of Prog and AOR. Fklaming Lips was never, is not and will never be a Progressive Rock band, they are Alternative and nothing more. I don't agree with Radiohead either, but If I had to choose I'd stay with Radiohead, they are better and much closer to dark Prog at least in their last albums. Iván

Will never be Prog? I hope they can. They're certainly heading in that direction.

stonebeard wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: stonebeard wrote: Granting that Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots is a very progressive album, if not quite prog, The Flaming Lips don't really belong here. Too much of their catelogue is alternative/psychedelic pop. Their next album, At War with the Mystics, is described as jazz/electronica. I have high hopes for that album. As of now, no, they don't belong in the Archives. There is an mp3 up on their website off the new album. I gave it a listen. I don't hear jazz in this particular song. It sounds like a song that would be off of one of their recent albums. It's still pretty good. Do you know when the album is due out? Secondly, I agree with your statement. Their early material, which I do not like, is nowhere near prog. Yoshimi is great, as is The Soft Bulletin, definitely creative work, but it isn't prog. I haven't heard Zaireeka; is it any good? "Mr. Ambulance Driver?" Yeah, I was surpried by that. I had read somewhere, probably on the Lips' site, that At War with the Mysics would be a jazz/electronic fusion album."Mr. Ambulance Driver" is just a good, sad pop song. I hope the rest of the album is jazz/electronic. The latest I've heard about its release date is February, though that was quite awhile ago. It should be out by summertime. Yoshimi and The Soft Bulletin are vastly different, yet similar. Yoshimi uses much more keyboards and electronica, yet both retain the lush sound of latter-day Lips. One can see how the Lips can easily bloom into a prog band. This is why I have such high hopes for At War with the Mysics. Zaireeka is great, even closer to prog (though sill a far cry away) than Yoshimi. It's very inaccessible, but beautiful and interesting to listen to/expeiriment with. I don't listen to it often, because it's a pain in the arse to get 4 different sound sources together at one time.

Yea, it's long. I'll have to check it out one of these days. And I'm sure the new album will be lush and enjoyable, even if it's not jazzy.

ivan_2068 wrote: Art Rock is clearly described by most sites and it's the borderline between Prog and mainstream, more precisely the borderline of Prog and AOR.

What does AOR stand for?

stonebeard wrote: Will never be Prog? I hope they can. They're certainly heading in that direction.

For God's sake Stonebeard, they have 22 years in the market!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't that enough time to define their genre, most bands don't last so much. Most of them are way passed their 40's, ifthey were not Prog' until now, most surely they will never be, and even if they release a proggy or two albums, they would never be a Prog band because already released 11 non Prog albums.

BTW: AOR = Album Oriented Rock (Booston, Journey, Asia, Toto, etc)

Iván

god i love the flaming lips!!!!!!!!!!!!

dunno if theyre prog though

ivan_2068 wrote: stonebeard wrote: Will never be Prog? I hope they can. They're certainly heading in that direction. For God's sake Stonebeard, they have 22 years in the market!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that enough time to define their genre, most bands don't last so much. Most of them are way passed their 40's, ifthey were not Prog' until now, most surely they will never be, and even if they release a proggy or two albums, they would never be a Prog band because already released 11 non Prog albums. BTW: AOR = Album Oriented Rock (Booston, Journey, Asia, Toto, etc) Iván

Any band can become prog regardless of their past albums, I believe. But even in the span of 4 or so years from The Soft Bulletin to Yoshimi, they showed remarkable progression. And wouldn't you say Yoshimi is heading in that direction? Now, we'll see truly if it wasn't just a one-off when At War With the Mystics comes out in 2 months... What I think you're thinking of is whether or not they should be admitted to the archives if they managed to make a very prog album, in which I would say no as well.

Now, Wayne Coyne has cited that some of his infuences were Eno, Pink Floyd and Roxy Music...all bands that are now, in one shape or form, on Prog Archives. I do not mean to imply that just because one's influences are prog, that the person's music will be as well. But it shows that, possibly, as the band is maturing, these influences reveal themselves more and more.

By the way: Zaireeka is incredible proggy, not only in concept.

Flaming Lips are one of my all time fav bands, but they are not prog! Except for one song (The Spark That Bleed, that is a mini epic).

And the new album is released at my birthday!!! (3 of abril)

Phil wrote: kebjourman wrote: god i love the flaming lips!!!!!!!!!!!!   dunno if theyre prog though Well said! And stonebeard you're clearly knowledgeable about the F'Lips (and therefore a fan I assume..) "Yoshimi" is a great album with some proggish moments, as (IMHO) is "The Soft Bullettin". I look forward to the new release, whatever it may bring! Ivan I know you have a point when you say (I paraphrase) that you shouldn't compare bands and say "because A is on so should B be.." but to my ears there are so many more bizzare choices for "prog" bands that have appeared on PA, than the Flaming Lips - I won't list them here!! It does make for some pretty bizzare choices of what is - and is not - included on PA. So I suppose I'm saying I agree that the Flaming Lips aren't really "prog" (though they're a damn fine band), but then again if I was to compare them to some of the bands listed on this site, then hey, yes they flaming well should be too!!!

Yeah...

Listening to The Soft Bulletin as I type.

Zaireeka is probably one of the most creative and innovative albums to ever be released... prog in my book.

Cygnus X-2 wrote: Zaireeka is probably one of the most creative and innovative albums to ever be released... prog in my book.

I can hardly remember the music. I've only played it once, when I actually had 4 seperate sources that played cds.

stonebeard wrote: Cygnus X-2 wrote: Zaireeka is probably one of the most creative and innovative albums to ever be released... prog in my book. I can hardly remember the music. I've only played it once, when I actually had 4 seperate sources that played cds.

I've only listened to it twice. My friend and I have only had the patience to find 4 sources to play cds twice.

No. As much as I love the Flaming Lips there just not prog rock. They have proggy moments, but not enough to deserve it here. They're probably my favorite modern band, don't get me wrong, but there more psychedelic pop than anything else.

The Flaming Lips do seem borderline, just like Radiohead, but what keeps them from being worthy from being on the site is not really the sense of marking time; it's more about pop sensibility compared to most bands on here.  Again, it is a very tough call, since fusion and other genres are included within this site.  However, the Flaming Lips fit more into standard indie rock and psychedelic (not of the Floyd realm, either) than they do prog, in my opinion.  However, I can definitely see both sides of the deal.