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Topic: "Forgotten" Crimson Albums
Posted By: Phil
Subject: "Forgotten" Crimson Albums
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 10:55
OK folks I've been thinking of another silly poll we can all do!!!

These three albums don't often feature as people's selections for their favourite King Crimson album. I've been listening to these albums back-to-back recently, and my favourite has to be Lizard, in particular I find the title track to be bewitching and beguiling......on the other hand I find Islands a disappointment, due largely to Boz Burrell's vocals I think. In the Wake of Poseidon has its moments, but some of it is too similar to ITCOTCK.

But I'm aware there might be one or two folk here that wish to disagree...!!



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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:11
Ha, I posted a thread recently around your topic. I really like 'Lizard', And I have most of 'Poseidon' and think the songs are fantastic..

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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:31
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Ha, I Posted A Dicussion Recently Around Your Topic. I Really Like Lizard, And I Have Most Of Poseidon And Think The Songs Are Fantastic..

Ah! Sorry I missed that!!


Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:32
I like Islands a lot, but Poseidon and Lizard aren't among my favourite KC's albums. Good ones, though.

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:33
  1. Lizard
  2. Islands
  3. Poseidon


Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:34

Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Ha, I Posted A Dicussion Recently Around Your Topic. I Really Like Lizard, And I Have Most Of Poseidon And Think The Songs Are Fantastic..

Ah! Sorry I missed that!!

 Me too I was really lookin' for opinions!!



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Posted By: Tholomyes
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:39

 

1. Islands

2. Lizard

3. The Construcktion of Light

4. In The Wake of Poseidon



Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:40

I voted for "In Wake of Poseidon", I enjoy it much more than their 1st album!



Posted By: ThisWas
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:42
Lizard is probably their most forgotten albumand its their only 70's one i dont have on vinyl


Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:50
Lizard and In the Wake of Poseidon are both amazing and as good as any of their material. Island is a bit more difficult to appreciate, but lately I've found it extremely attractive and stimulating to my ears 


Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:53

Originally posted by erlenst erlenst wrote:

Lizard and In the Wake of Poseidon are both amazing and as good as any of their material. 

 I'm really getting into these albums and must agree!! Great albums. Never heard 'Islands' though



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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:55
Lizard is my favorite Crimson album!!!!  Very original.  What an album.  I've never heard an album that is even similar.  Kudos to Mr. Fripp for creating a masterpiece.


Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 14:50
Lizard a thousend times! Its my third favorite KC album

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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 15:14

Oh ... no question that's it Lizard for me ... what a superb album ... aside from the mammoth title track ... it has Cirkus ... which is the track that made me fall in love with KC in the first place (it's still quite possibly my favourite) ... and the incredible Lady Of The Dancing Water

... the other two tracks aren't bad either ...

I'm probably the wrong guy cos, Lizard is far from forgotten here ... luv it.



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Posted By: Destrio
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 17:28
In the Wake, never heard Lizard yet


Posted By: Gentle Tull
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 17:30
I voted Lizard, though I'm not much of a Crimson fan. Lizard is pretty good though.

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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 17:30

Originally posted by Destrio Destrio wrote:

In the Wake, never heard Lizard yet

They are both pretty great!!!



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Posted By: drumsandbass
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 17:54
Well I have to say Lizard, In The Wake, then Islands. I like the jazzy
instrumentals on Islands a lot.


Posted By: Tholomyes
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 18:04

Originally posted by drumsandbass drumsandbass wrote:

Well I have to say Lizard, In The Wake, then Islands. I like the jazzy
instrumentals on Islands a lot.

Agree. Islands has a very Miles Davis sound.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 18:05
poseidon s my fave kc album. Lizard is cool too. Apart from that I'm not huge on the other first 7 or 8 crimson releases apart from some cool songs


Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: December 16 2005 at 18:32
I think ProjecKt Two - Space Groove is more under appreciated than any of those. And I think I like ProjecKt Two more than those other albums.

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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:41
from all of the 70s IMO the forgotten album is Island but I can see why people don't like it compared to all of the other albums they made.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:47
Cat Food...Cat Food.... Cat Food.....Again!!!!!

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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:48
Had to vote for Poseidon, even though it seems to be a song by song reworking of ITCHYCOCK in a way. Great songs, especially Cat Food, with Tippet's jazzy piano. This song seems to separate this one from the first.

Lizard I also like very much.

Islands, IMHO, was just a debacle. Easily the least able of the KC line-ups. Boz Burrell went on to continue his mediocrity with Bad Company. Nuff said.


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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:58
I like Lizard most of those three, with Poseidon on 2nd place. Islands is rather poor, IMO!

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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 22:08

Islands, by far out of the three, my fav. Poseidon is very good, but I have to agree with the critics on this one, a reproducion of ITCOTCK. The Devils Triangle is very annoying to me. I'd rather listen to Holsts original (Mars)  than this clear uncredited rip-off.-I do however adore Cat Food!

Lizard is good. Haskell-hit and miss. Happy Families and Indoor Games,two of my all time favourite Crimson tunes. Haskells "Goofy" voice however does take away from the seriousness of Crimson. I wish Jon stuck around a little longer on that album.

Islands is perfect. Boz the perfect voice, the feel of the album perfect for the era. Next to ITCOTCK, I personally rank Islands at the top of King Crimsons kingdom.



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 23:13
Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

Had to vote for Poseidon, even though it seems to be a song by song reworking of ITCHYCOCK in a way. Great songs, especially Cat Food, with Tippet's jazzy piano. This song seems to separate this one from the first.

Lizard I also like very much.

Islands, IMHO, was just a debacle. Easily the least able of the KC line-ups. Boz Burrell went on to continue his mediocrity with Bad Company. Nuff said.


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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 00:06
I think THRAK and Islands are commonly overlooked. 


Posted By: andYouandI45
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 00:09

HAHAHA

Those are the only 3 albums of theirs that I acutally purchased, the rest ive gotten from friends.



Posted By: nobody
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 01:37


"The perfect record for the person you like least of all, but are forced for one reason or another to buy them a present. I can discern neither melody nor sense in any of it so it's not for anyone with my plebian and simple tastes. The abyss where modern jazz and rock meet. Beautiful sleeve."
                                                                             --The Evening Standard, 12 December 1970

Now that gets my vote, hands down. 

Possibly my favorite Crimson album.  If you listen closely with headphones you can read Gordon Haskell's thoughts as he surpresses the impulse to chop his old school chum Fripp up into small pieces for making him sing the ridiculous (yet totally-appropriate-to-the-music) lyrics. He is probably laughing (at the end of "Indoor Games") to keep from crying.  

"Cirkus" might be the all-time mellotron song.  But my favorite aspect of this album might be the absolutely hellacious, shredding display of acoustic guitar playing that RF puts on on side one.



Another beautiful record, highly underrated at that.  The eardrum-perforating guitar solo on "A Sailor's Tale," with RF channeling the immortal Sonny Sharrock.  "Ladies of the Road," oh my! she ate all the meat you gave her, did she?  And the title track, with that harmonium that can bring you to tears, man that sh*t got me through adolescence.  Kind of a soundtrack for the end of the 1960s, this album.

The title track is a bona-fide Crim Klassik, with a playout at the end that rivals any prog ending you can think of.  Great Sinfield lyrics, too, ripped from tomorrow's headlines as the malfeasant & misguided maniacs in power do their best to keep Humanity submerged in the murky depths of the Piscean Age.  F*ck 'em, the Aquarian Age will dawn whether they like it or not!  Love and Creativity for everyone, except maybe them.  Let them be left behind to eat Cat Food, I say.  A world still on the scales, waiting (weighting?) to see what the end is gonna bring. 

I kind of wish they'd have put "Groon" on here, just to balance the epic with the jazzy a little more... I guess that one is tacked on the end of the latest CD incarnation.  Great VCS3 wind on the Holstean "Devil's Triangle" on "Mars," or whatever you call it.  Many like this one better than the Screaming Schizoid Face album that preceded it, even though this one re-enacts that one's pattern of silence vs. crescendo almost verbatim.  I guess Capt. Eno was right, repetition is a form of change.  Also contains one of RF's great acoustic lovefests, a theme appropriately titled "Peace".

All three of these records are indispensible, period.

 

 

 



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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 04:32
Definitely "In the Wake of Poseidon". The title-track is out of this world, with that fantastic ending and a vocal performance to die for by the one and only Greg Lake. It may sometimes sound a bit like its predecessor, but it's a great album nonetheless. Next I would say "Lizard", if it were not spoiled by Gordon Haskell's unbearable vocals (Jon Anderson's cameo is a breath of fresh air). "Islands" simply puts me to sleep, and the only thing I really appreciate on it are Boz's very underrated vocals.


Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 06:13

Thos 3 are very diffrent from eachothers probobly becaus they all have diffrent lineups, very hard to shoose wich one is best or worst, i like all 3 of em very much.

 



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Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 07:28


Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 14:47

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Lizard a thousend times! Its my third favorite KC album

My third or (fourth) as well. Despite some slight minus (the bass player's voice), I regard it as KC's top achievement for their Sinfield-era.

   Regards.



Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: March 12 2006 at 15:46
The're all incredible. By far my favorite period of KC, and they're one of my top3 bands 

I'll go with Lizard


Posted By: omri
Date Posted: March 12 2006 at 15:59

On one hand a very easy decision for me. On the other hand all 3 albums are 5 stars IMO so I will say few words on each one of them.

1. Lizard - After Red my most loved KC's album and I said in the past I suspect I have heared it more than any other album. The darkness of Cirkus, the jazzy sarcastic of Indoor games & Happy familly, the mekody of Lady of the dancing water, the classical Prince Rupert awakes & the bolero and above all the amazing dark kick in the stomach of Battle of glass tears. So this is what I voted for.

2. Islands - beautiful melody of the title track, great classical prelude, dark jazzy sarcastic Ladies of the road, dark Sailor's tale. Only formentera lady comes from a different place but an interesting one. Above all The letters - great lyrics & greater is how the music in between make me feel exactly the emotions of the betrayed wife.

3. In the wake of Poseidon - The first side of the record (I had all of them on vinyil) is the same in idea as their debut (except the presence of peace which for me is the least important in the album). First a dark dysonant - Pictures of a city which is a great track. Second a quiet ballad - Cadence & cascade that is less popy than I talk to the wind and more deep IMO. Third comes the bombastic epic - the title track that reminds me a lot of Epitaph, both in words, music and atmosphere. I kind of think this one ia a disappointment even if it's quite nice. The second part differs totaly from the debut introducing jazzy Cat's food and the instrumental The devil's triangle. This one is the first in a line that goes throgh Sailor's tale to Lark's, Fracture, Red up to Level five being one of the things only King crimson can write.

Is it obvious I love this band ?



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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 12 2006 at 17:03

Actually I would never think of any of  these albums as of "forgotten", because I really like all three of them. But if I have to choose, it would be "Island".

   



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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 07:21
Islands



BTW,I did almost the same thread a week ago


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 08:07
   everything  after ""larks""   should be forgotten............



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