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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16
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Topic: Recommendations
Posted By: EVO
Subject: Recommendations
Date Posted: February 01 2004 at 16:29
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ive noticed a mistake in the eloy discography. the album land of nobody does not exist. and the cover is from time to turn (the heavy metal world wide pressing) heavy metal world wide has reissued some albums with different (rodny matthews) covers. ------------- Live Long and Prosper... |
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 01 2004 at 16:41
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Well, you asked, so... If and when time is available, I can think of a few groups who would seem to deserve a place on the site. First and foremost, XTC should be included. I can help here if requested (as I did with The Church). Second, I think 10CC deserves to be included, especially in as much as Supertramp and Klaatu are both represented, and 10CC is just as prog, if not moreso, than either (I can help with 10CC as well). Also, 10CC and Supertramp are contemporaries, and Klaatu acknowledges both as influences. Third, I would include Babble (New Zealand), even though they only released two albums. I think if you listen to them, you will agree that they are "prog" at least as much as some others currently on the site. Fourth, I might include Skeleton Key (U.S.). Although they are not entirely "prog," they have definite prog roots and influences. I recommend a listen or two to their new album, Obtainium. Finally, I realize and appreciate that you approached your "categories" from a very keen perspective. However, I would suggest that there should be another category, and that some bands already present are "mis-categorized" in that respect. The missing category is "progressive pop" (which is not an oxymoron) or just straight "progressive rock." This is the category in which I would put Supertramp, Klaatu, 10CC, XTC, The Church, and others, including Godley/Creme (ex-10CC), and, possibly, Queen. Either that, or all of them would have to be categorized as "art rock," though some of them are not. Thanks for the forum, and keep up the amazing work! |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 01 2004 at 17:36
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Addendum: I'm guessing that Frank Zappa is missing because he has so many albums that it would take a year just to make his "piece" of the site! |
Posted By: corbet
Date Posted: February 02 2004 at 05:23
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I'd like to see some Amon Duul II, Zappa, and Todd Rundgren -- three of my favorites. Of course, Zappa will be an ordeal for obvious reasons; and Todd will be a strange case to deal with, considering he released dozens of albums that are not prog in any sense, yet a handful that are prog in the best sense! Oh classification, when "Hello it's Me" and "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire" (37 minute synth-prog beast) come from the same dude... |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 02 2004 at 20:22
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I also reccomend adding: The Muffins. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 03 2004 at 00:47
 I'm going to echo the call for the essential Amon Duul II, again!------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 03 2004 at 14:09
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Alexander's recommendation of The Muffins is a good one, but an even more prominent ommission from the site to date is GONG, they really must be here. ------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 03 2004 at 18:15
OK, pretty funny, just wait for me to complain about Gong not being thyere, and then put them up  Thanks, I see it is a bit of work putting just their listing together, for me as a fan there's those half dozen main releases, and loads of extraneous, but interesting, stuff.------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 03 2004 at 19:08
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GONG is apearing on http://www.progarchives.com - www.progarchives.com since 2 days ... Discography not complete but soon willl ... Thanks you all for your recommendations !!! Continue .... ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: February 03 2004 at 21:26
| What about "Zen Rock and Roll" from Progrock records? |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 20:44
 Let's not forget David Sylvian (collaborations with Holgar Czukay -- ex Can) and Fripp.------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 21:54
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I would reccomend Frank Zappa as well, but that would be very time consuming. For another Soft Machine MP3 to add would be "As Long Has He Lies Perfectly Still" from Volume Two would be good. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 05 2004 at 11:21
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Thanks Alexander for your MP3 suggestion
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Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 05 2004 at 16:05
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Chris Cutler is probably worth listing, being a driving force behind the RIO thing. Here's his site for info... http://www.ccutler.com/ - http://www.ccutler.com/ 'As Long as He Lies' is a great one, good recommendation young Alex. ------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 05 2004 at 19:00
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Yeah, Chris Cutler was the Philosopher of Henry Cow. Thanks, I'll try & recommend more Mp3 additions! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Gonghobbit wrote:Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 06 2004 at 00:18
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As recommended
Are being added to the progarchives.com discography !
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To PROGLUCKY for his great work !Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 06 2004 at 01:28
Fantastic! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Lookout
Date Posted: February 06 2004 at 14:12
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I'm going to wander really far here but I'll skip over many details, so for those of you with a bit of patience, I hope there will be a reward. I was variously spoiled rotten and cursed in my early 20's to be a broke student who was turned onto a record import store whose owner became a dear friend and mentor. The song that started it all was Ripples from A Trick of the Tail. I was soon listening to all of Genesis, KC, Yes, etc.. etc... etc... I skipped over the Canterbury scene, but I'm catching up now. I got into music from 24 countries, and collected vinyl from a dozen. Japanese was the best, Italian the worst. After a year or two we started exploring the avantguarde. So the immediate question is does the AG have a place here? Regardless, I'd like to see Tangerine Dream, Art Zoyd, and of course, Amon Düül added here. The bands I got into were The Hafler Trio, :Soviet-France:, Nurse With Wound, Fred Frith (whose discography is monstrously huge), and many groups I bought one and only album or CD by (such as Einstuerzende Neubauten, Kranioklast, P16.D4, The Music of Adolph Woolfli...) Lately I've investigated a collaborator with Frith, Bill Laswell, also of monstrous discography infamy. From here I've checked out Buckehead, altho I find he ranges too much into metal to my taste. Henry Kaiser is another who worked with Frith. I have a few vinyl albums of exceptional rarity in my collection. Power Assume by P231 (numer 72 of 150) and one of I believe 1,500 that on one side says Blackhouse and the other Hope, and I know nothing more about it, but the album is awesome. I went far enough into the AG to have nowhere else to go for many years. My passion for music took me where music had profound dispassion. It didn't get me high anymore. It left me feeling neutral and uninspired. The album that got me going again actually has a touch of prog to it - Ophelia by Nathalie Merchant. Since then I've started chipping away at updating my music collection. Gentle Giant and Camel were the two bands that inspired me last sumer. There've been a number of others since... ------------- Luck is when what is unexpected happens; fortune is when what is hoped for happens. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 07 2004 at 04:03
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Now, how about Eno and Manzanera/801? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: corbet
Date Posted: February 07 2004 at 06:54
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Peter, You know, I'm beginning |
to really dig your taste! Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge is one of my favorite songs ever, from an amazing album. Usually no one talks about Wolf City...Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 07 2004 at 09:56
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We added THE DRUID as requested ... Have fun doing some review on this one Next one : ART ZOYD ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 07 2004 at 09:58
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As soon as we add WOLF CITY we will add the MP3 requested Thanks again to all of you for your precious recommendations and participation
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 07 2004 at 15:56
Awesome! Both of those bands are good! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Zaragon
Date Posted: February 08 2004 at 08:00
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Aunt Mary
Maybe of one of the greatest prog.bands from the early seventies coming from Norway. Especially the album JANUS is prog at its best. Would love to find the group listed on behalf of norwegian fans... Rock on friends ------------- Strange avenues where you lose all sense of direction -And everywhere is Main Street in the winter sun. Ian Anderson |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 08 2004 at 13:47
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The song requested "Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge" by AMON DÜÜL II has been added to the website Visit : http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4721 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=4721 Discover this band today !!! Great Music indeed !
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 09 2004 at 22:25
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PS: Proglucky seems to have followed my "sage" advice I also really enjoy AD's "Carnival in Babylon" and "Vive Le Trance," which is perhaps my overall fave! Take it easy, & "Long May Your Big Jib Draw!" ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
and put AD II's "Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge" MP3 on the site, bless his cotton socks!Posted By: Verisimilitude
Date Posted: February 10 2004 at 10:53
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Now this may not be a popular suggestion, but one that I was bound to make eventually... But... I would like to suggest Tool to be added to the large list of bands... I know, I know... A lot of people wont think of them as progressive rock, just loud and alternative rock... But in a lot of ways, "alternative" is progressive and they certainly do have a lot of long, complex and evolving song structures combined with deep and philisophical lyrics... I can't say that their early work is very prog-metal, however their latest album Lateralus (2001) is a prime example of how they have evolved into prog-metal in its most complicated form... To defend my suggestion I will use the following Lateralus facts... > Opening song "The Grudge" has some deeply mysterious lyrics... "...Saturn comes back around to show you everything Saturn comes back around. Lifts you up like a child or Give away the stone. > 8 of the 13 songs run for over 6 minutes... > Mantra is apparantly the engineered recording of Maynard's (lead singer's) cat making a strange purring noise... > Lateralus (the song) continues to change time signatures from 9/4 to 8/4 to 7/4 in a regular cycle... > The 13th track "Faaip de Oiad" is Enochian for "voice of God" and is the recorded message of a caller to a radio station claiming to be a former employee of Area 51... (artbell.com) > The 10th, 11th and 12th tracks were originally meant to be one song, which would have lasted for over 22 minutes, but instead all flow into one another... There are very few Tool fans who do not believe that Lateralus is a modern-day Dark Side of the Moon in it conceptual evolution of the one theme... (that them being "communication" perhaps...?) > The album art and video clips both generate debate and mystery as to their meanings and symbolism... > Tool are rumoured to be working on their next album... However Lateralus has been around for 4 years and only 5 albums have been released since Tool first entered the music world in 1992... (They certainly aren't commercialised rock...)
Well there's just a few thought on them... Of course I could also go into AEnima, their previous album, but I'm sure this will do for now... It may not have convinced many, but I gave it a shot... And "progressive" carries with it a pretty large definition of music... |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 11 2004 at 00:48
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Link to VDGG - Godbluff with MP3:
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 11 2004 at 01:18
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I would also like to reccomend to add Matching Mole's March live album. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 12 2004 at 18:45
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AHH! Good one Max! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 13:06
| Many of my favourite experimental bands were from the early 1970's. How about Eiliff, Guru Guru, Midnight Sun ( From Denmark ) or Forcefield featuring Jan Akkerman? |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 15 2004 at 14:12
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I think Hugh Hopper deserves to be part of the Archives. He is one hell of a bassist & writes awesome compositions! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 17 2004 at 23:02
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I'd also like to add Brian Auger's Oblivion Express to the archive! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 18 2004 at 03:48
| I think it's great that Frank Zappa will be added, but don't you think that Captain Beefheart deserves to be added too? Trout Mask Replica is great and bizarre!! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 18 2004 at 03:52
| By the way: I think it's great that there's mp3 on the website! But aren't you going to get trouble? |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 18 2004 at 12:52
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1st thank for the recommendations, we will take them into considerations in the next wave of NEW BAND ADDED
Conerning the mp3 ... we want to take the risk to help visitors discover new music. And your opinions on how mp3 is helping you to discover great music ... is important .. in the case we were getting in trouble... Thanks ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: timmy_zg
Date Posted: February 18 2004 at 17:10
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HAY YA'LL!!! Since I'm new to this site I've noticed nobody is mentioning CHUCK SCHULDINER and his bands DEATH and CONTROL DENIED. If not Death, then Control denied is one of greatest prog-metal bands in 90's. For those who don't know who is Chuck Schuldiner a little introduction. He is one of godfathers of death metal and also one of greatest guitar players, songwritters and singers ever. Unfortunaly, he died in 2001 of brain cancer TNX ------------- Stay true, stay heavy. |
. Just try to listen to his work and then judge.Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 20 2004 at 13:10
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It would be great if you could add an mp3 of Supersister. I think they're great and people should know their music! A great song would be "She Was Naked". But I understand you're busy writing new discographies and biographies... I'm looking forward to Frank Zappa! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 21 2004 at 17:04
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Great web site, congratulations! I'd love to see Uriah Heep included. One of the finest bands Britain has ever produced, and of course still going today. "July morning" from Look at yourself probably represents my introduction to Prog.
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 22 2004 at 15:29
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I also forgot to meantion that an addition to the Band Embryo on the archives would be great as well... ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: February 25 2004 at 19:00
hey Timmy_zg, You stole my face dude.
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Posted By: StarshipTrooper
Date Posted: February 26 2004 at 03:57
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I just did a short piece on a French band (Saens) They are certainly worth a listen to, if you get a chance. ------------- 
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 02 2004 at 18:11
Death, but also Voivod and Atheist. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 02 2004 at 20:11
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Yo, how about dat Eminem, homies? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
So now we move into death metal....Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 04 2004 at 13:47
| Henry Fool. I checked out the clips on their website. They fit. |
Posted By: Carlos
Date Posted: March 10 2004 at 17:59
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: March 10 2004 at 19:52
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Thank you all for your suggestions ... Please understand that your request may take a couple of weeks before being added. If we deceide that this is a good band to add to Prog Archives. Thanks again, you are the reason why Prog Archives is a good resource
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 20 2004 at 17:42
Seru Giran featured the fabulous artist Pedro Aznar if my memory serves me well. For those of you who don't know Pedro Aznar, he sang for Pat Metheny (and played some percussions) in the eighties and lead a brilliant solo career. Carlos, do you know the brazilian band Sagrado Coraçao da terra ? They play a very melodic symphonic prog rock and feature a fantastic violinist : Marcus Viana. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: March 22 2004 at 19:11
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Three more suggestions: Nucleus(Ian Carr's band) Robert Wyatt Cartoon(American RIO band) If you add the suggestions that I requested I will immediatly do bio's on them & more! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 02 2004 at 21:29
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See this thread for a couple of my recommendations: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=463&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=463&am p;PN=1 Godspeed You Black Emperor is another. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 05 2004 at 19:30
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Also, maybe Peter Sinfeld should be listed? He wrote the lyrics for early King Crimson as well as Emerson Lake & Palmer and has done a solo album. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 00:27
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------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Please, Dad? Please please please please please please please please please please please?Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 00:38
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Said it before, day it again, IMHO: Uriah Heep Aphrodite's Child Crazy World of Arthur Brown Viv Stanshal & The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band Should be included. Iván |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 01:17
HORSLIPS should DEFINATELY be included. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 04 2004 at 09:10
...and therefore Celtic Frost, Kreator and pre-Metallica Metallica, maybe even Sepultura or Venom - the epic "At War With Satan" is longer than many prog tracks! There's no denying the talent or technical mastery (except Venom - I was joking there!), but there's no denying the metal either. Might I be so bold as to suggest Diamond Head...
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Posted By: richey
Date Posted: May 06 2004 at 11:52
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 11 2004 at 12:15
| Last updated in May?! Surely not! |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: December 14 2004 at 19:39
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Well we have another thread for this now... |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: January 03 2005 at 22:33
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I am not sure if this the right thread for this but i would love to have a thread section for DVD's or add them to the reviews. I have spent $20 or more for some real stinkers and spent less on some good ones but i think they are becoming so numerous as not to ignore.
Thank you and keep up the great work here ------------- 
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Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 04 2005 at 00:17
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Fantomas? Anybody?
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 04 2005 at 12:43
To be fair, I'd be tempted with Celtic Frost, as well as Voivod and definitely Atheist (who someone else mentioned). Certainly having Cynic on here suggests putting Atheist; OK so Atheist are heavier, but I wouldn't say it's at the cost of progressiveness... |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 04 2005 at 13:17
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Celtic Frost were/are(?) a very progressive band indeed
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Posted By: Squirrel_monkey
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 13:22
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Hi, I'm new, really cool site! 1st band I think are missing is Electric Light Orchestra, (ELO). I know they're hardly fasionable, and most people associate them with their later pop stuff, but the early stuff more stuff is certainly progressive, and really good! For example, the concept album 'Eldorado', with it's massive orchestra and 7 minute instrumental medley on the remaster. Then there's the earlier stuff still - the album 'ELO 2', all long tracks, such as the 11 minute 'Kuiama'. Another album, 'On the third day', has a brilliant instrumental 'Mourning breaker', (I really recommend you hear this), as well as the cover, (?), of 'In the hall of the mountain king'. 'Face the music' is also a brilliant one with the fantastic 'Fire on high'. These early albums have certainly got the length, and the instrumentation is certainly experimental with the Cellos, and violin. Richard Tandy's a pretty good keyboardist too. I think they deserve a place on the site as they aren't far from Moody Blues, (another favorite of mine), or Supertramp. Second one, Alice Cooper, another unusual suggestion as normally he's considered hard-rock or metal. Listen though to the right albums and you'll see that he too has experimented a bit. The really early stuff for a start, by the orrignal 'Alice Cooper Band', two very long experimental tracks from this era: 'Halo of Flies' and 'Black Juju'. If you go earlier still, before anyone liked them, you'll see that they were once really obscure. Later solo stuff also had a touch of the progressive, for example the 3 part ending of the concept album: 'Welcome to my nightmare', with the fantastic track 'Steven', this is a good example of his progressive-style lyrics, really interesting and sometimes pretty twisted. This is also demonstrated on another concept album, 'From the inside', which was based on his experiences in a mental hospital! Another good album to give a listen is 'Dada', a really creapy one, check out 'The Former Lee Walker', about a freek-child forgotten in the attick, and the really creapy opening track. For something completely different check out Nightwish! Thanks, sorry to go on, I don't normally do that! ------------- i!i!i!i!i! SqUiRrEl MoNkEy i!i!i!i!i! |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 15:04
It's got to be "were", really haha, calling "Cold Lake" and "Vanity Nemesis" would be hardly short of tragic! |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 15:31
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 16:35
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Check out the many threads that discuss progressive versus prog! In a simple sentence, progressive rock is not simply rock music that is a bit progressive, it is more than that. ELO are not prog. Alice Cooper is not prog. Led Zeppelin are not prog. Genesis are prog. King Crimson are prog. Get the idea?
I understand the confusion, though, when you see bands like Procul Harum, the Moody Blues and ELP in the archives... |
Posted By: Squirrel_monkey
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 17:16
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Still, I advise anyone to leave any prejudices asside and give the tracks/albums I listed a listen. Download them or something, I think they've got something to offer fans of the genre. Particuarly the early ELO that virtually no-one has heard. Agreed, Led Zepplin are definately not prog, but the ELO and Alice Cooper I'm talking about are nothing like this - that's just the stuff you know, 'Mr Blue Sky' and 'School's out'. Say genesis, (one of my favorite bands), to most people and they say 'invisible touch', 'Jesus he knows me', same sort unfortunate branding for ELO - because no-one's heard their early stuff. Alice on the other hand has done about every type of Rock at some point, but it's the lyrics that are consistantly creepy/disturbing/interesting/clever/deep. I read the 'Wikipediea' definition of Prog-Rock, Please, someone download: 'Daybreaker', 'Fire On High', 'Kuiama', 'In the hall of the mountain king', 'Steven', 'Da da', and 'Halo of Flies', and I'll be happy! P.S: ELO are listed on Proglands... ------------- i!i!i!i!i! SqUiRrEl MoNkEy i!i!i!i!i! |
, and the albums I listed, as well as others fit all the criterea. I thought this might not go down so well Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 19:30
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I've got all ELO's albums up to DISCOvery - I used to be a big fan, and still like their early stuff; but while much of it is undoubtedly progressive, it isn't prog to my ears. To give you an idea of how far back I go with ELO, I have a couple of albums by the Move as well Listen to P.F.M. and enjoy some great Italian prog with orchestral flavours - they will surely convince you that ELO are progressive, but not prog. If you haven't heard them before, you're in for a real treat. If you have, then you'll know what I'm talking about.
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 05 2005 at 20:22
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I've only heard one Celtic Frost album, To Mega Therion, and I'm not really sure about calling them prog. That may have something to do with the fact that I really didn't like them, but it sounds more like pure black metal to my ears. However, I would say Voivod is a definite must. No conventional metal bands have that many changes in their songs. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 06:25
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I think that Early Metallica deserve serious thought - especially in comparison to some of the Dream Theater CDs I've heard. DT may have keyboards and prog aspirations, but Metallica did it all first, sans keyboards. If number of changes in a song is a measurement, then "...And Justice For All" is essential listening for anyone who likes prog metal. "Kill 'Em All" is the ultimate metal mould-breaker, from a time when everyone was trying to break the mould - the thrashing style is still prevalent today, and did not exist before that album, TTBOMK. Even so, "KEA" is not purely a thrash album, as "Seek and Destroy" testifies - and the album carries a large degree of "Hawkwind on speed on speed" about it. The final moments of "Metal Militia" are particularly devastating, and demonstrate that Metallica's fast playing was more about texture than simple, mindless thrash. "Ride The Lightning" took it a quantum leap forwards; on the surface it sounds like a fast Metal album. Scratch that surface and there is something else at work; the thrashing is far more subtle - rhythms fly out of the textures, which take on all manner of flavours from wild thrash ("Ride the Lightning", "Trapped Under Ice") to Egyptian sounding power metal ("Creeping Death", "Call of Cthulu") to Black Sabbath on speed ("For Whom The Bell Tolls") and the wonderful "Fade to Black". This album puts several toes into prog territory, and is certainly more prog than most prog metal I've heard. "Master of Puppets" is another quantum leap for the genre - the ultimate heavy metal album, that also remains a benchmark for prog metal. It does everything "RTL" does, but more so and then goes the extra mile or two. Dream Theater have performed this album in its entirity live - that is a good indicator of it's significance. "...And Justice For All" is a clear attempt to define the genre of progressive metal, but I feel that "Master" had already done it. It's an incredibly brave album, given that Metallica lost the talent that was Cliff Burton and replaced him with Jason Newstead from Flotsam and Jetsam, who were second-rate at best. I know that Metallica will not curry favour with many, especially those who are resistant to more "big" acts muscling in, but, like the best prog albums, Metallica's first 4 grow over time. I found myself trying to resist their music at first, back in 1984, as on the surface it just sounded like American rock played quickly - no big deal. It took many listens to properly "get it". So, seriously, METALLICA! What do you think?
Useful - "Into the Pandemonium" is the only Celtic Frost album I own, as I find their music generally too bizarre for my tastes. However, they are capable of some outrageously huge riffs and some original thought, from the music I have heard from this and some of their other albums. Some of "ITP" strays into proggy territory, and friends have played me tracks that sounded very prog to me. VoiVod have changed a lot since they started - and I always associate their music with what they used to do (somewhat unfairly, perhaps, as it was fairly simple industrial-sounding thrash!). I think I'll spend some time re-discovering them, as I've only picked up on bits and pieces like the Floyd covers that they've done recently. Everything I've heard sounds very progressive - but hallmarked with a decidedly metallic seal... |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 12:29
It did exist, even though Metallica were one of the first to record a demo ("Hit the Lights, 1982, in fact), as well as the first to record an album. Overkill, as well as a few other Bay Area bands (either Dark Angel or Death Angel were one of them) were playing thrash in around '81 or '82. Overkill formed in 1980 from another band, playing punk for a while but quickly moving to thrash. Apparently Metal Church's 1980 demo "Red Skies" in 1981 is the very first recording of thrash, perhaps forgotten due to their lack of a vocalist at the time but I haven't heard it (and don't particularly want to!)
...and went rapidly downhill after losing Jason
try: Dimesion Hatross onwards (perhaps Killing Technology, too). Negatron is apparently very weak, and the newest record is a bit different to previous ones (perhaps production more than anything else). Check their cover of 21st Century Schizoid Man, too! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 13:28
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 15:09
| I like Dark Angel (some people call them prog though, which seems a little silly to me) and Death Angel I like the track "Mistress of Pain" mainly for the stupidly high vocals.. Overkill I wasn't too thrilled by either but, on the subject of covers, their version of Hymn 43 makes for interesting listening! |
Posted By: semismart
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 00:29
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I have noticed some bands that are listed on the Archives whose inclusion surprised me The bands are Nightwish, Kamelot and Rhapsody. While I personally like these bands I'm surprised that others (beside me) consider them Progressive. My point is that if you are going to include these bands, similar bands should be included. Nightwish - Within Temptation, Dreams of Sanity, Epica Rhapsody / Kamelot - Heavenly, Mob Rules, Thy Majestie, Dark Moor, Freedom Call, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica Other bands the Archives might consider are Darzamat, Pettalom, Orchrist, Iced Earth and Artrosis. ------------- <i>Sports cars</i>, helping ugly men get sex since 1954. |
. Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 04:41
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My suggestion is: The Crazy World of Arthur Brown...Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come is already on the site, and The Crazy World (after Brown left) went on to become Atomic Rooster. Historically important!
Unfortunately, I, in my infinite wisdom, have posted my suggestion as a new topic in the Suggestions forum. Silly Rob. ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |