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Forum Name: Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
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Topic: Music
Posted By: Genesisprog
Subject: Music
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 11:58

   Some make difficult music ,they are less popular.They dont advertise their music that much.

   Others advertise ,shove their music in their mouths and arses (  )

   Its a matter  of attitude in music isn`t it so?

   Alot of people think -why do we have to work so much and get less money.Play instruments etc

  write our own music.Make music that is interesting.

   Make music where some artist sings ,dances,tours  Pop artist-says its hard work

   They get their stupid millions .  fu**ing dollars

        BULLsh*t   -We know what is real hard work with music isnt it so?

    What do you think?



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Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity-    I Love Them all !



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 15:00

Where is the poll?

This is just a rant.



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 15:09
Hmm ... his nick is "Genesisprog" and he complains about musicians who sold out ...

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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 15:35
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Hmm ... his nick is "Genesisprog" and he
complains about musicians who sold out ...


He's actually not talking about musicians that sold out he's saying that prog
artists spend so much more time to create music that they know won't make
them much money as opposed to the pop artists that don't spend a lot of
work perfecting their songs and make tons of money. That's how the
industry works, obviously people don't want to hear songs that are easy to
listen to.

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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 16:16

Popular music isn't about music.

At least, not always...

Since Elvis Presley arrived and unwittingly built the massive media circus around his personal flair, wholesome image and shocking stage antics, Popular music has been about the package.

You could create great music, but if you looked like a dork and had unstylish artwork on your album covers, you wouldn't sell much - it's a product.

The Sex Pistols summed it up very well with their 3 albums, "Never Mind...", "Some Product" and "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle". The latter informs you, the music buyer, that you are being conned not only by the Record Industry, but by them, the Sex Pistols, into buying the piece of junk that you are listening to. Genius.

If a packaged product makes money for a record company, they provide whatever resource is necessary to keep the goose laying the golden eggs: Stables of young studs and basements full of musical prostitutes - professional songwriters and session musicians. Record companies spend millions making sure that radio stations only play from their selections, and that the charts contain recordings on their labels.

Payola still exists - only it's more sophisticated these days. The radio station boss needs a new laptop? Certainly, sir - and would sir mind playing the latest CD from band X who aren't doing so well these days - once an hour will do.

 

Fortunately there are people who want to create and make a living from creating music that they enjoy, rather than a product they can flog to the punters.

Prog Rock artists of the past certainly fell into this category with their earliest albums, as did avante-garde jazz musicians, and there are still admirable musicians like this today - not just in prog rock, but in most genres.

 

On the other side of the fence, most people don't want to listen to music - they want to hear it. They don't want to work at it and they don't want surprises, but just want it nice and predictable to suit the moods they're in. In other words, they require a product. To them, a product can be a great work of art, like Beethoven or Dark Side of the Moon, or something with a nice tune, words that mean something to them, or a lead singer they fancy.

Sadly, to some purists, the adoption of art by the masses means that the art loses status.

Fortunately for the rest of us, great art always remains great art - and only time can prove a piece of music to be a "hit" - something for the moment, of little worth, and forgotten within a few years - or a lasting vision.

 

/must be time for my dried frog pills...

 



Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 16:23
^ Do you know Kevin Gilbert's Shaming of the True? Sums it up pretty nicely.

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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 17:20
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Popular music isn't about music.


At least, not always...


Since Elvis Presley arrived and unwittingly built the massive media
circus around his personal flair, wholesome image and shocking stage
antics, Popular music has been about the package.


You could create great music, but if you looked like a dork and had
unstylish artwork on your album covers, you wouldn't sell much - it's a
product
.


The Sex Pistols summed it up very well with their 3 albums, "Never
Mind...", "Some Product" and "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle". The latter
informs you, the music buyer, that you are being conned not only by the
Record Industry, but by them, the Sex Pistols, into buying the piece of
junk that you are listening to. Genius.


If a packaged product makes money for a record company,
they provide whatever resource is necessary to keep the goose laying the
golden eggs: Stables of young studs and basements full of musical
prostitutes - professional songwriters and session musicians. Record
companies spend millions making sure that radio stations only play from
their selections, and that the charts contain recordings on their labels. [/
P]

Payola still exists - only it's more sophisticated these days. The radio
station boss needs a new laptop? Certainly, sir - and would sir mind
playing the latest CD from band X who aren't doing so well these days -
once an hour will do.


 


Fortunately there are people who want to create and make a living from
creating music that they enjoy, rather than a product they can flog to the
punters.


Prog Rock artists of the past certainly fell into this category with their
earliest albums, as did avante-garde jazz musicians, and there are still
admirable musicians like this today - not just in prog rock, but in most
genres.


 


On the other side of the fence, most people don't want to listen to
music - they want to hear it. They don't want to work at it and they don't
want surprises, but just want it nice and predictable to suit the moods
they're in. In other words, they require a product. To them, a product can
be a great work of art, like Beethoven or Dark Side of the Moon, or
something with a nice tune, words that mean something to them, or a
lead singer they fancy.


Sadly, to some purists, the adoption of art by the masses means that
the art loses status.


Fortunately for the rest of us, great art always remains great art - and
only time can prove a piece of music to be a "hit" - something for the
moment, of little worth, and forgotten within a few years - or a lasting
vision.


 


/must be time for my dried frog pills...


 



Well Said.

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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity


Posted By: Harold Dupont
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 17:48

You don't have to worry about this...  Music is art: some play music, and some use instruments to make money.  There's a big difference between those two.  But, groups who make music only for money, if they don't hurt anyone, are allow to to this, because people love them.  People can choose to listen to Micheal Jackson or to King Crimson, and they're allowed to love their music...  But of course, to know what music really is is way better...  It's like cars: you can drive a festiva all your life and think you know what's a car, but when you arrive with a BMW...........!




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