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Topic: Muse...?

Posted By: ProgsCerebrum
Subject: Muse...?
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:04

Come on...I don't like complaining, but Muse is just a heavy version of Radiohead, without the experimentation...I can't believe they made it into the archives before System of a Down (a heavier, but a true progressive band..not neccesiarily coming from a traditionalist point of view.) I don't think much consideration went into that choice

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:07

System of a Down don't belong here either!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:10

Or Kate Bush !!!!!!!

Muse DO though

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Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.

Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:10

That's the first time that I hear someone say "SoaD are more prog than Muse".

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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:12

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

That's the first time that I hear someone say "SoaD are more prog than Muse".

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Posted By: ProgsCerebrum
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:17

What exactly makes Muse so progressive? Please tell me that

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:17

HAHA SYSTEM OF A DOWN!!!

But come on .. I mean Muse, man ... this sucks, this really does, this really sucks, yes it does, I mean this sucks... wow this sucks... Muse people... Muse... they cant play prog Museic, this sucks. this really sucks, I mean, Muse... This is not a muse ing, this really sucks... this sucks, this truly sucks

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:19

Saying system of a down is prog is like saying milk is part of fruits & vegetables!

Posted By: Dr. Diper
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:20

Do you guys even know what you're talking about? SoaD is prog whether you like them or not, they are.

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Posted By: ProgsCerebrum
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:21

System of a Down carries influences ranging from thrash metal to armenian folk music to zappa...what would you call that then? regressive? please do, i need a good laugh

Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:23

stebo32 wrote:

HAHA SYSTEM OF A DOWN!!!

Is it the use of drugs that has led you to such a verbose and enlightening opinion?

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:24

Dr. Diper wrote:

Do you guys even know what you're talking about? SoaD is prog whether you like them or not, they are.

what the hell please tell me you were born without the ability to hear!!! I've heard their first album or whatever, and it's just pure f**kin chaos... chaos in a f**kin bad way.. I mean this must be the crappiest f**kin music Ive ever heard... its complete Metal... If Im a little weird these days it must be because when I listened to it it f**ked me up so bad... Man... SoaD...

Posted By: horza
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:25

Muse are excellent

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Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:26

goose wrote:

stebo32 wrote:

HAHA SYSTEM OF A DOWN!!!

Is it the use of drugs that has led you to such a verbose and enlightening opinion?

No its the mentioning of "System of a down"... damn do i hate hearing people saying they're prog... And same with Muse, same with Radiohead.. so many bands dont deserve to be Prog...

Posted By: ProgsCerebrum
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:27

but i still dont see why Muse are considered progressive and SoaD arent...which is the general opinion of this board

Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:30

Ones personal taste seems to rule what comes onto the progarchives now. As in a popularity contest, election, or whatever you want to call it. More people want Muse than not, I am in the minority and the Muse is probably here to stay.

Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:30

ProgsCerebrum wrote:

but i still dont see why Muse are considered progressive and SoaD arent...which is the general opinion of this board

Not quite...Muse have been caregorised as Prog related, so not ACTUALLY prog!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:31

HOW THE HELL CAN THESE MONSTERS BE PROG!!!!

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:32

i mean .. man, thats a lovely pack o vegetables, we even got a white raddish in the crew and a f**kin banana!

Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:33

Arthur Brown wore a burning hat onstage. Mr. Doctor looks like a vampire. Fish and Gabriel both painted their faces.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:33

stebo32 wrote:

i mean .. man, thats a lovely pack o vegetables, we even got a white raddish in the crew and banana for god sakes!

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:33

goose wrote:

Arthur Brown wore a burning hat onstage. Mr. Doctor looks like a vampire. Fish and Gabriel both painted their faces.

At least they played prog...!!!

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:35

Damn im having an aneurysm because of this lovely thread

Posted By: ProgsCerebrum
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:36

stebo32 wrote:

HOW THE HELL CAN THESE MONSTERS BE PROG!!!!

despite that picture probably being from '98 or '99, the band's image is just as avant as their sound...so i say they easily live up to the expectations presented by the picture

Posted By: horza
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:39

Muse are here now - lets get over it

Start a SOAD thread if you must

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Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:39

Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp. These are often described as epics and are the genre's clearest nod to classical music. An early example is the 23-minute "Echoes" by Pink Floyd. Other famous examples include Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (43 minutes), Yes' "Close to the Edge" (18 minutes) and Genesis' "Supper's Ready" (23 minutes). More recent extreme examples are the 60-minute "Light of Day, Day of Darkness" by Green Carnation and "Garden of Dreams" by The Flower Kings.
Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness. Many early 1970s progressive rock bands (especially German ones) featured lyrics concerned with left-wing politics and social issues.
Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play. In the days of vinyl, these were usually two-record sets with strikingly designed gatefold sleeves. Famous examples include The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis, Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes, 2112 by Rush, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall by Pink Floyd, and the more recent Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater and Snow by Spock's Beard. Aqualung, perhaps the best-known record by Jethro Tull, is often regarded as a concept album due to its recurring themes, but songwriter Ian Anderson has always claimed that the album is just "a bunch of songs".
Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies. See Magma, Robert Wyatt, and Gentle Giant.
Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer, in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and drums.
Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Many pieces use multiple time signatures and/or tempi, sometimes concurrently. Solo passages for virtually every instrument, designed to showcase the virtuosity of the player. This is the sort of thing that contributed to the fame of such performers as keyboardist Rick Wakeman and drummer Neil Peart.
Inclusion of classical pieces on albums. For example, Yes start their concerts with a taped extract of Stravinsky's Firebird suite, and Emerson Lake and Palmer have performed arrangements of pieces by Copland, Bartók, Moussorgsky, Prokofiev, Janacek, Alberto Ginastera, and often feature quotes from J. S. Bach in lead breaks. Jethro Tull recorded a famous cover of J. S. Bach's "Bouree", in which they turned the classical piece into a "sleazy jazzy night-club song", according to Ian Anderson. Marillion started concerts with Rossini's La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie). Symphony X has included parts by, or inspired by, Beethoven, Holst and Mozart.
An aesthetic linking the music with visual art, a trend started by The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper's and enthusiastically embraced during the prog heyday. Some bands became as well-known for the art direction of their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean, whose paintings and logo design for Yes are so essential to the band's identity they could be said to serve the same function as corporate branding. Hipgnosis became equally famous for their unusual sleeves for Pink Floyd, often featuring experimental photography quite innovative for the time (two men shaking hands, one of whom is in flames, on the cover of Wish You Were Here). H.R. Giger's painting for Emerson Lake and Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery is one of the most famous album sleeves ever produced.

SORRY MAN... I JUST HAD TO DO THIS!

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:41

Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp

Well I guess thats the only place where theyre proggy... It does take a number of spins to tell what stinking instrument theyre plaing behind ALL THAT GARBAGE OF NOIIIIISE

Posted By: Biggles
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:43

There's already a Muse topic. No need for another one.

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Posted By: ProgsCerebrum
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:46

stebo, i would call you out on that last post but I really dont care anymore..go take your meds, please

Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:48

stebo32 wrote:

Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp

Well I guess thats the only place where theyre proggy... It does take a number of spins to tell what stinking instrument theyre plaing behind ALL THAT GARBAGE OF NOIIIIISE

I already said they are prog related but you chose to ignore it....check up prog related !

Sorry my mistake, i still thought you were talking about Muse, not SOAD!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:50

ProgsCerebrum wrote:

stebo, i would call you out on that last post but I really dont care anymore..go take your meds, please

Haha well you know.. theres a thin line between genious and crazy

Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:52

ProgsCerebrum wrote:

System of a Down carries influences ranging from thrash metal to armenian folk music to zappa...what would you call that then? regressive? please do, i need a good laugh

I'd call that a little bit experimental - and commercial. Like 20% experimental, 79% commercial and maybe 1% prog.

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Posted By: ProgsCerebrum
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 19:55

stebo32 wrote:

ProgsCerebrum wrote:

stebo, i would call you out on that last post but I really dont care anymore..go take your meds, please

Haha well you know.. theres a thin line between genious and crazy

yeah...and that line is being able to spell, genius...

and with that, im out

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 20:00

ProgsCerebrum wrote:

stebo32 wrote:

ProgsCerebrum wrote:

stebo, i would call you out on that last post but I really dont care anymore..go take your meds, please

Haha well you know.. theres a thin line between genious and crazy

yeah...and that line is being able to spell, genius...

and with that, im out

HAHA... youre a pretty cool dude, youll be back

Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 02:19

It all comes down to what you define as prog.Muse have prog influences which they have admitted.Inclusion under 'prog related' is fair enough.Liking them or not liking them is totally irrelevent as to whether they should be here or not.