Kevin Moore or Jordan Rudess?
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Topic: Kevin Moore or Jordan Rudess?
Posted By: Calvo
Subject: Kevin Moore or Jordan Rudess?
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:32
I didn't include Derek Sherinian......
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:47
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wow im surprised .. Moore is at the head .... my vote is for Rudess ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:50
Rudess hands down
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Posted By: Xymphony
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:53
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Rudess.
However my favourite DT album is Awake. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:08
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Well... guess ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Calvo
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:09
Guess what?
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:11
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Who's my fav!? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:12
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Looks like everyone that voted for Kev is too scared to admit it ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:13
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Thank god for that, the only song he did well was A Change Of Seasons and that was probably because most of the keyboard parts were written by Kevin ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Calvo wrote:Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:13
Im gunna say Rudess ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Calvo
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:14
| Kevin? |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:15
I should Slap You! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:15
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Ah, I like new threads that have been done lots of times. You would expect the same outcome, but still you are not sure. I will only vote if Ed the Dead is going to vote.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:16
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They started writting A Change Of Seasons in 1989 with Metropolis Pt1 but didnt finish it for I&W, I guess if they wanted they could have put it on Awake but they didnt. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:17
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Well, I did vote!
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Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:17
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Hmmm, I could have known. While I was typing, he was voting..... that double crossing.... Of course Rudess!
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:18
Oh ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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, i take it your a Kevin Moor fan then?Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:18
| Jordan- easy- Kevin never showed me any technical talent |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:19
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A change just didn't have the feel of Awake, it didn't sound like the rest of the album... Thats what Mr. Portnoy said bout that... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:21
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I should slap You even harder! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:22
Thanks for that Ed, i dont have Awake( ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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) and was wondering why it didnt appear there if they had an extra 2 years to make it after I&WPosted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:23
I wouldnt go that far Drew but he is right ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:25
I'LL SLAP YOUR MAMA |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:28
| wHY CAN'T A MAN SHOW TECHNICAL TALENT? SHOULD IT BE EVERYTHING? NO- But technical talent is a great skill to have- you can do MANY more things with it... OBVIOUSLY song writing talent is important as well.... |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:30
And I'll poison your pet!!!! MUahahahahahahahahhaha!!!!!! btw.... Moore is great technically... don't understand Your point of view... Sure that Jordan move skilled, but he's one of the most skilled in the world! And that doesn't mean Kev has no skill! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:31
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Lyricly, that seems to be the one thing that Moor can do that Rudess cant or just dosnt bother with. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:32
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hahaha....... funny (sorry I have no pet..but that was still funny) You obviously have not heard Liquid Tension Experiment....and YES.... I have heard Transatlantic (Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) and his solo stuff? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:34
true |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:34
Keep that fire burning, Ed. It is always great to see you struggling against the load and loads of Rudess fans.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:37
Whats Transatlantic got to do with anything ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:40
| But Im sure he helped with the songwriting!!!!! |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:41
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^ Neal Morse was the keyboard player. Rudess would even beat him. Moore ....?
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:41
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Who Moor? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:52
| Oh...my bad there...am I drunk? |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:53
I actually got addicted 2 this... I will keep on fighting! Because I AM right! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:55
I own both Albums by LTE... So whats with it? John & Mike wrote most that stuff... excluding 3 min warning... Didn't know Jordan played in YES There's no Rudess in Transatlantic whatsoever.... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:58
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Jordan! Jordan! Jordan! Jordan! I mean, where is Kevin?........he could be face down in a gutter in Detriot for all we know |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 11:59
Well... isn't he in Turkey right now? Recording another Chroma Key album for InsideOut? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:01
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wow- if you know that information...I can clearly see this is a pointless argument |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:11
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I hope not, i havnt liked what ive heard from chroma key so far ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:12
Thats a lot closer than i thought it would be! ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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[46.15%]Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:13
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I know....I thought Jordan would be running away with it!
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:30
Everything he does is awesome! Heard Graveyard Mountain home? Go 2 the official chroma key site, if not! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Korova
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:38
I don't like both of them There is nothing original or exciting in their way of playing. Technique is not the main thing... ------------- La Speranza della coscienza è forza La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù La Speranza del corpo è malattia (G.I. Gurdjieff) |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:46
Listend to Graveyard Mountin Home, its a bit dull IMO, far inferiour to his work on I&W and Wait For Sleep proves that hi is a good Keyboard player, just not as good as Rudess. I liked the title to track 11, and no i dont have a step father ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:46
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suite yourself but theres enough people here to disagree with you. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 12:49
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Have you even listened to Chroma Key? I don't think so. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 13:01
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Posted By: Orbert
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 14:29
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I prefer Kevin Moore's contributions to Dream Theater overall more than those of Jordan Rudess. I think Jordan has better chops, and fits in better what the direction DT seems to have taken lately, but I liked Kevin's choice of patches better, and he also wrote a number of their songs that I like. Jordan has one or two killer patches, but he tends to rely on them too much, and I know he has chops because he can't stop showing off those 32nd-note-triplet runs. Okay, okay, very impressive Jordan. Now could you please play something that actually compliments what the others are playing? Kevin knew how to do that. Jordan is still learning, apparently, though Octavarium shows some actual skill on his part. Outside DT, I'm tempted to go the opposite way. Neither OSI nor Chroma Key do anything for me. Nice music to put on and maybe do your taxes or something. Jordan's 4NYC acoustic solo concert is pretty cool, and his work with LTE is at least interesting. ------------- In and around the lake... 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 14:59
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I object - both Chroma key and O.S.I. are awesome!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 15:12
Perhaps he wasn't out to impress you? There's more to musical ability than technical prowess. I voted for Moore, his music was much more evocative for me. Rudess is amazing technically, but his choice of timbres leave a lot to be desired, IMO. Jordan also has this penchant for corniness that rubs me the wrong way. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 15:12
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Kevin Moore, though Jordan Rudess is better technically. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: DeadGhost
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 15:23
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Kevin Moore's keyboard solos are more memorable to me. And he has more feel IMO I agree that Jordan Rudess is better technically, but that's it. BTW, DT has way more good songs in Moore's era |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 15:37
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Kevin is the best!
Jordan may have more technical skill, but he just wanks too much! Kevin moore had a very distinctive, catchy style. I have a boootleg video on my computer that has kevin moore playing on change of seasons, it is different from the final version, i kind of like some parts better. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:05
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I'll take Jordan Rudess. First off Rudess posesses a better resume. I don't think Kevin has done anything as note-worthy as the Dixie Dregs (other than Dream Theater of course). Kevin does not posess the extraordinary technique that Rudess does. On the DVDs and videos of Rudess playing with Dream Theater, Rudess almost looks bored when he's plaing Moore's singled-handed melodies. Rudess also uses a better repotoire of synth sounds. Rudess orchestral synths sound amazing at times, and he has done a brilliant job straying from the typical keyboard sounds in progressive metal. -------------  
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:17
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I will not repost... I will not repost... I will not... NOT... DAMN!
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:42
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^ I like Chroma Key and O.S.I. a lot too, but that dosen't mean they measure up to the Dixie Dregs... -------------
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:44
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Any idea where i could find this? though i did vote for Jordan, its absolutly no contest as to witch was DT's worst keyboard player, Derek Sharinian. He was always to arogant and thought he was fantastic on the keys, but in realaty he was only good. Kevin would have been brilliant performing A Change Of Seasons, its only a shame that he left before they finished the song ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:45
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Hey Ed, tell me is Graveyard Mountin Home a typical Chroma Key song in terms of style and quality? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:50
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Quality? Its prog, so nothing is never topical in style... but bout that quality stuff.. thats quite subjective, you know? When I'm in the right mood I love 2 listen 2 some Chroma key... I like Kev's voice quite a lot... 2 bad he doesn't it it that offen ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 16:53
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I was refering to technical abilaty when i said quality and if thats a "typical" song from them (is their such a thing in prog) then i guess its okay for chilout music or just somethibg to play in the background but personaly i realy didnt like it. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 17:02
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Is the ideal chillout music for progers... I wonder what Ricco thinks bout it... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: cucacola54
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 17:31
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ill go with Moore... Rudess may be more technical and gifted, but for me, Moore was essential in the early DT sound... ------------- Most listened albums last week 
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Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 17:39
| Rudess, technically very gifted and does some wicked stuff when playing live. |
Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 17:49
| The problem with the actual works of DT is the exxxcess of "technicallity" in his music. I prefer the emotional keys of MOORE to frigidity and emptiness of the sound created in the keyboards of RUDESS (I confess that I even prefer SHERINIAN to him !!!). |
Posted By: Crafter
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 18:38
I agree with the "excess of technicallity", but I disagree with the fact that Rudess makes "frigidity and emptiness", in DT as good as his others groups. ------------- Uh ? Oh, I see :D |
Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 18:40
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Wow, this is the only forum i know where there is an actual group of Rudess supports
Rudess fit in really well with LTE, but this topic seems to be more focused on DT considering we're putting him up against Moore. So Moore wins hands down. So yeah, i don't like Rudess |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 18:56
| I like Jordan Rudess better when he's playing, but I would prefer to have Kevin Moore in the song writing room. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 19:01
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I really like Rudes and his playing too. But overall i prefer Moore's atmosphere. Like in wait for sleep
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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 19:41
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Rudess is a talented guy, but Moore brought something very groovy and
atmospheric to the band that hasn't really been achieved since (SFAM
notwithstanding).
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 19:55
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Kevin Moore -------------  |
Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:19
| Rudess for being far more accomplished both as a composer and performer. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:35
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Definitely Kevin. I miss the 'feeling' in the new DT albums, except of course of the Metr ptII. Jordan may be a better 'techinician', but the 'feeling' is not there... |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:41
| To me, no question that Kevin Moore is better. Jordan is technically amazing, but to me, his playing utterley lacks feeling because he is trying to play 65 notes every second, yeah...its amazing, but it has NO emotion. |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 07:01
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Every two months a thread like this passes by. I have seen alle threads being won by Rudess. What is happening now? Where are all the experts? Has Ed killed them all? Well, he is the Death....
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:05
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:37
To words: Bribary and Torture fortunatly commen sence has me keeping to Rudess ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 08:59
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You're just 2 far away... that all Watch out next Summer, though! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 11:45
Same here, someone in this poll must have the objective of manufacturing votes for Kevin Moore, but their petty bribes have no effect on me. -------------
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Posted By: Gentle Tull
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 11:51
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Judging by Ruddess' work in Liquid Tension Experiment as well as Dream Theater, i would have to say Rudess, hes amazing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 11:54
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I am watching.... watching all the time... watch Your Posts.... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 12:01
Why what are they doing ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 17:29
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JR
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 17:35
VOTING JR!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 13 2005 at 18:25
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Well who else would he vote for ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 03:20
| Kevin Moore. His music is much more emotional. Jordan Rudess is sometimes a music-clown, of course he is excellent as a player. The solo on Endless Sacrifice has been discussed already.Kevin never makes out of place flashes. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 14 2005 at 03:26
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^Then why did you put JR ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 18 2007 at 16:36
| Although I really respect Kevin Moore, Jordan Rudess is simply the best. I like everything about him, he's technique, he's equipment, and he's spirit in DT songriting. |
Posted By: khammer99
Date Posted: December 18 2007 at 16:49
That maybe true for his DT work, but his solo stuff and the stuff he does with Planet X compares favorably with any of Reduess solo work or the stuff Reduess has collaborated with non DT folks. (my opinion, for what's worth). This is not a knock against Reduss, he's a fine player, more of a defense of Sherinian.  ------------- Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up. - Terry Pratchett |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 18 2007 at 17:57
Who's Reduss? |
Posted By: khammer99
Date Posted: December 19 2007 at 09:27
An obvious never ending typo... sigh. I of course meant Rudess ------------- Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up. - Terry Pratchett |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: December 22 2007 at 02:23
| Jordan Rudess |
Posted By: prog-expert #1
Date Posted: December 29 2007 at 01:16
| technically Rudess is a better player (Sherinian wasn't included because he is no where near as good as Moore or Rudess in skill level) |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 29 2007 at 12:50
| Sherinian's skill is much better than Moore's. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 29 2007 at 13:12
Yes - anybody could play Metropolis Pt. 1. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: karna
Date Posted: January 15 2008 at 06:24
| Jordan is technically better keyboardist but moore is very creative....I like Jordan but my vote is for Moore |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: January 15 2008 at 09:43
| jordan Rudess. |
Posted By: CrowmaKey
Date Posted: March 02 2008 at 16:10
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Kevin Moore all day long. In my opinion he is a much more tasteful player - he never over egged the pudding in the way that Rudess can sometimes do. From time to time Rudess' tone is hateful - he *almost* manages to ruin Six Degrees with his treacley sweet effects! In terms of songwriting I think DT miss the influence of Moore - his lyrics for DT were brilliant and his contributions to the musical side of things were also from the top drawer. Also,looked at what he did for Fates Warning when he guested on their recordings - genius! OSI and Chroma Key, too, are great projects. Yup - Kevin Moore for the win! ------------- Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights... |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: March 02 2008 at 16:42
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KEVIN MOORE The only thing that Jordan Rudess did that I enjoyed was the keyboards on "Disappear". I like old Dream Theater keyboards way more. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: March 02 2008 at 17:01
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Kevin Moore, because Rudess's keyboard style annoys me to the utmost.
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