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Topic: Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (3)
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (3)
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 12:51

These are some more of the songs which for the largest part have been mentioned in the  https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133212" rel="nofollow - Political Prog  thread, and still, you can vote 
for as many as you wish (multiple votes allowed).


Here's the previous poll if it still should have some interest:  https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133387" rel="nofollow - Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (2)  

Enjoy!  Tongue


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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 12:56
I could vote for most of those David if it came down to tracks I like, but being as you are asking for their  'Socially engaged' credentials, I have gone for Aqualung, which I have always found particularly affecting in this regard..

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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:04
To be honest I don't normally pay enough attention to lyrics to get a genuine understanding that the song is about. Aqualung is my favorite song out of these and I must have heard it more than fifty times. But I only know that some old pig with shabby clothes and a runny nose is sitting on a park bench, watching little girls.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:19
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

To be honest I don't normally pay enough attention to lyrics to get a genuine understanding that the song is about. Aqualung is my favorite song out of these and I must have heard it more than fifty times. But I only know that some old pig with shabby clothes and a runny nose is sitting on a park bench, watching little girls.

LOL   And then, even it is about an "old pig", I think that the social content of this song is intended to be much more than just that.



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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:24
^I don't doubt that, but I haven't picked up on what that deeper social content is about:)


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:38
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^I don't doubt that, but I haven't picked up on what that deeper social content is about:)

Well, I look at it in the way of a Marxist interpretation, according to which this song tries to show how social conditions, due to the way a society is organized and functioning, have very much influence on people's life and social behaviour.



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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:39
Technically, at least how I use the term, the Heldon is not a song as it has no lyrics. I like it however. I have not paid much attention to lyrics bu can quote a fair amount of "Aqualung". I'm giving that another vote. My favourite here is VdGG's "Childlike Faith in Childhood's End" (one of my very favourite bands) even if I cannot quote it nearly so well. I will give "Supper's Ready" a vote too

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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:42
Voted for the half a dozen I like
Strange that there is no Pink Floyd's Animals songs in the poll


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:48

Actually, as I see it, "Aqualong" is about a big tragedy, and the lyrics can make me rather sad.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 13:57
Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Strange that there is no Pink Floyd's Animals songs in the poll

A very good point, and I'll include "Dogs" in the next poll in this series.


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 14:00
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^I don't doubt that, but I haven't picked up on what that deeper social content is about:)


Well, I look at it in the way of a Marxist interpretation, according to which this song tries to show how social conditions, due to the way a society is organized and functioning, have very much influence on people's life and social behaviour.

Ok. If you say so:) I know every word and can sing along to the whole song, but I still don't really know what Ian or I am singing about.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 14:10
ELP!
Floyd!
Genesis!
Heldon!
Osibisa!
Tull!
Wakeman!
Yes!

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 14:28
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Ok. If you say so:) I know every word and can sing along to the whole song, but I still don't really know what Ian or I am singing about.

Here's a suggestion for a rather detailed interpretation of "Aqualung" by Al Melchior:

Compassion and Fear About the Homeless

In listening to “Aqualung,” you’ve likely sensed that Anderson has a variety of emotional responses to the song’s character. That’s because “Aqualung”’s story is a reflection of Anderson’s response to a photo of a homeless man taken by Franks. He told Guitar World in a 1999 interview that he “had feelings of guilt about the homeless, as well as fear and insecurity with people like that who seem a little scary.” This combination of emotions informed Anderson’s perspective as the narrator of his story of Aqualung, a character based on the man in Franks’ photo.

In the first section of “Aqualung,” Anderson and Franks begin to sketch the character, initially leaning on Anderson’s more fearful feelings.

Sitting on a park bench
Eyeing little girls with bad intent
Snot is running down his nose
Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes
Hey, Aqualung
Drying in the cold sun
Watching as the frilly panties run
Hey, Aqualung

Then we see the compassionate side of Anderson’s reaction in the remainder of this section.

Feeling like a dead duck
Spitting out pieces of his broken luck
Whoa, Aqualung

As Anderson and Franks move into the song’s quieter, slower second section, they maintain their focus on Aqualung’s poor condition. They also bring attention to the small ways Aqualung shows resilience.

Sun streaking cold, an old man wandering lonely
Taking time the only way he knows
Leg hurting bad as he bends to pick a dog-end
He goes down to the bog and warms his feet

Towards the end of this section, Anderson and Franks go a step beyond recognizing Aqualung’s humanity from a distance. Anderson breaks from his role as narrator, approaching Aqualung and letting him know he is a friend.

Aqualung my friend, don’t you start away uneasy
You poor old sot, you see, it’s only me

As the tempo picks up for the third section, Anderson progresses towards an increased familiarity with Aqualung. He reminisces with him about a difficult winter.

Do you still remember December’s foggy freeze
When the ice that clings on to your beard
Was screaming agony?

Anderson and Franks do a wonderful job of fleshing out the range of emotional responses we can have when encountering someone who is homeless. In transitioning gradually from a more distant appraisal of Aqualung to a familiar and friendly one makes it easy for us to follow their story.

(from the site https://americansongwriter.com/the-meaning-of-aqualung-by-jethro-tull/ )


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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 14:33
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Strange that there is no Pink Floyd's Animals songs in the poll


A very good point, and I'll include "Dogs" in the next poll in this series.


Thanks Dude !


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 14:35
Vote for Aqualung.

Todd Rundgren's Bag Lady is a recommended song about the homeless.

A lyric excerpt

"Even Son of Sam sees her sleeping
She's not worth the bother..."


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 14:58
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Vote for Aqualung.

Todd Rundgren's Bag Lady is a recommended song about the homeless.

A lyric excerpt

"Even Son of Sam sees her sleeping
She's not worth the bother..."

Sorry, Grumpy, but this song doesn't fulfill my criteria for which songs to include.



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 16:06

As generous as I am, all these songs except one get my votes. Big smile


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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 17:16
Aqualung and Childlike Faith... I do like Tarkus and Supper's Ready, but they appear on too many lists. I like most of DSOTM and all of Animals more than Money. 


Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 04:02
Maybe Aqualung.

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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 04:51
For social content, Aqualung.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 07:14
Aqualung


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 07:21
I find it somewhat interesting that one of the most (maybe the most) treasured prog-epic of all time (Supper's Ready) has 8 votes while typing and Aqualung has 14. I voted for the latter myself, as it's always enjoyable and a perfect rockin' classic for what it is.


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 07:26
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Ok. If you say so:) I know every word and can sing along to the whole song, but I still don't really know what Ian or I am singing about.
Here's a suggestion for a rather detailed interpretation of "Aqualung" by Al Melchior:

I can tell that on basis of Al Melchior's referring to Ian Anderson's thoughts about "Aqualung" and Melchior's suggestion for an interpretation of it, I'm not so sure anymore about the correctnes of my suggestion for a Marxist interpretation of this song.



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 07:34
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I find it somewhat interesting that one of the most (maybe the most) treasured prog-epic of all time (Supper's Ready) has 8 votes while typing and Aqualung has 14. I voted for the latter myself, as it's always enjoyable and a perfect rockin' classic for what it is.

Yes, I'm suprised myself, and I reckon that it's the social content of "Aqualung" that is thought of as of a better value than the one of "Supper's Ready", but if that's the case, it doesn't make me less suprised.


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 07:56
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I find it somewhat interesting that one of the most (maybe the most) treasured prog-epic of all time (Supper's Ready) has 8 votes while typing and Aqualung has 14. I voted for the latter myself, as it's always enjoyable and a perfect rockin' classic for what it is.

Yes, I'm suprised myself, and I reckon that it's the social content of "Aqualung" that is thought of as of a better value than the one of "Supper's Ready", but if that's the case, it doesn't make me less suprised.

TBH, I've been wondering why Tull's three tracks in those three polls are from Aqualung, and not at least one being Thick As A Brick (which epitomizes Anderson's political thoughts, IMHO)


Not sure I would find Supper's Ready political, though - contrary to some (most?) of Selling England's tracks


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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 08:14
Yes, Genesis, Tull, ELP and Wakeman. Rick is at his best on Criminal Record and only slightly ruined it a la ELP by putting on a 'fun track'. 


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 09:12
Challenge :
Hammill Peter : Handicap and Equality from his 8th LP PH7


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 10:15
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

TBH, I've been wondering why Tull's three tracks in those three polls are from Aqualung, and not at least one being Thick As A Brick (which epitomizes Anderson's political thoughts, IMHO)


Not sure I would find Supper's Ready political, though - contrary to some (most?) of Selling England's tracks

I'll include "The Battle of Epping Forest" in the next poll, and I'll get back with regard to Supper's Ready.

About Thick as a Brick, let it be no secret that this poll series reflects my familiarity with albums and musical tastes, sorry.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 12:10

But Sean, I wouldn't mind to hear some more about your interpretation of Thick as a Brick. Smile








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Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 12:35
Childlike Faith in Childhood's End Tongue

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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 12:52
Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Childlike Faith in Childhood's End Tongue

Well, that's no suprise to me. Smile


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 14:40
Jethro Tull, Yes, Frank Zappa. The rest are also quite good.


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 17 2024 at 01:15
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I'll include "The Battle of Epping Forest" in the next poll,
I would think Dancing with the Moonlit Knight is the more obvious choice though (and a much, much, much better song). A comment I've found in lots of places about the meaning of its lyrics, but I don't know the actual origin of the quote:

...Dancing with the Moonlit Knight’ by Genesis is about the effects the British economy had on every day lives of Englishmen at the time in 1973. Large companies were destroying Britain’s heritage and the first oil crisis happened right around that time. Peter Gabriel dressing up as Britannia seemed a very apt visual metaphor for the very clever lyrics of this song...

The band members seem in large to agree:

Steve Hackett: ...It starts off with Scottish Plainsong at the front, “Can you tell me where my country lies?” And then it’s into that Elgarian thing, “Citizens of hope and glory.” The Land of Hope and Glory, addressing all the Brits, the idea of corporations taking over...

Peter Gabriel: ...So it was, in the opening part particularly, trying to capture something that had more reference to Henry VIII than it did to America and song music. And then with the lyric it was in a sense about the commercialization of English culture...

Mike Rutherford:...Selling England by the Pound had a Labour Party slogan as its title and was partly about increasing commercialization and the sense that something was being lost,...


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 17 2024 at 05:07
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

TBH, I've been wondering why Tull's three tracks in those three polls are from Aqualung, and not at least one being Thick As A Brick (which epitomizes Anderson's political thoughts, IMHO)

Not sure I would find Supper's Ready political, though - contrary to some (most?) of Selling England's tracks

I'll include "The Battle of Epping Forest" in the next poll, and I'll get back with regard to Supper's Ready.

About Thick as a Brick, let it be no secret that this poll series reflects my familiarity with albums and musical tastes, sorry.

It might be, though, that I'll give Thick as a Brick a new listen. Smile

About Supper's Ready, I'd say at least:

Part iii and iv are a very poignant and touching anti-war statement:

Wearing feelings on our faces while our faces took a rest
We walked across the fields to see the children of the West
But we saw a host of dark skinned warriors standing still below the ground
Waiting for battle
The fight's begun, they've been released
Killing foe for peace, bang, bang, bang
Bang, bang, bang
And they've given me a wonderful potion
'Cause I cannot contain my emotion
And even though I'm feeling good
Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule
Today's a day to celebrate, the foe have met their fate
The order for rejoicing and dancing has come from our warlord
Wandering in the chaos the battle has left
We climb up the mountain of human flesh
To a plateau of green grass, and green trees full of life
A young figure sits still by a pool
He's been stamped "Human Bacon" by some butchery tool
He is you

While the last part vii, and the entire suite, even not being overtly political, is interpreted by Edward Macan's Rocking the Classics (1997 p. 81) as seeing "the new Jerusalem" as the model for a perfect, fulfilled society, won after an epic struggle between the forces of good and evil, and thus is an expression of protest and resistance towards the Western society. 
This interpretation looks quite fine to me, and the lyrics of part vii say:

Can't you feel our souls ignite?
Shedding ever-changing colours
In the darkness of the fading night
Like the river joins the ocean
As the germ in a seed grows
We have finally been freed to get back home
There's an angel standing in the sun
And he's crying with a loud voice
"This is the supper of the mighty one"
Lord of Lords, King of Kings
Has returned to lead his children home
To take them to the new Jerusalem


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 17 2024 at 05:17
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I'll include "The Battle of Epping Forest" in the next poll,
I would think Dancing with the Moonlit Knight is the more obvious choice though ....

Very fine, let it be that instead. 



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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 17 2024 at 05:33
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

TBH, I've been wondering why Tull's three tracks in those three polls are from Aqualung, and not at least one being Thick As A Brick (which epitomizes Anderson's political thoughts, IMHO)

Not sure I would find Supper's Ready political, though - contrary to some (most?) of Selling England's tracks

I'll include "The Battle of Epping Forest" in the next poll, and I'll get back with regard to Supper's Ready.

About Thick as a Brick, let it be no secret that this poll series reflects my familiarity with albums and musical tastes, sorry.

It might be, though, that I'll give Thick as a Brick a new listen. Smile


here is what you can read about TAAB
https://thickasabrick.net/" rel="nofollow - Thick as a Brick – Jethro Tull Site Dedicated to Understanding Thick as a Brick

I don't necessarily agree with all of this guy's interpretations, but close enough for comfort. 
Also my sig (below) is quoting and highjacking some of IA's text in that epic poem.


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Before I forget, here is a site dedicated to A Passion Play (to me, APP is much harder to grasp)
http://www.ministry-of-information.co.uk/app/index.htm" rel="nofollow - Jethro Tull's album 'A Passion Play' annotated at the Ministry Of Information (ministry-of-information.co.uk)

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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 17 2024 at 05:51
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

here is what you can read about TAAB
https://thickasabrick.net/" rel="nofollow - Thick as a Brick – Jethro Tull Site Dedicated to Understanding Thick as a Brick

I don't necessarily agree with all of this guy's interpretations, but close enough for comfort. 
Also my sig (below) is quoting and highjacking some of IA's text in that epic poem.

thanks



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 17 2024 at 08:51
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Also my sig (below) is quoting and highjacking some of IA's text in that epic poem.

....and that might require some personal consideration. Smile



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 18 2024 at 05:53
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

here is what you can read about TAAB
https://thickasabrick.net/" rel="nofollow - Thick as a Brick – Jethro Tull Site Dedicated to Understanding Thick as a Brick

I don't necessarily agree with all of this guy's interpretations, but close enough for comfort. 
Also my sig (below) is quoting and highjacking some of IA's text in that epic poem.

You've got me convinced, Sean, and I'll include TaaB in the next poll in this series. Even more important, to me, after new listenings to this album, I can tell that I like it today, maybe even much after some more listenings, and I'll add it to my collection. This makes me rather happy, as TaaB is one of the small number of the very most appreciated Prog albums which I haven't got in my collection, so the hole gets smaller. Tongue 
I can still understand, though, why Ian Anderson meant this album to be an over-the-top concept album, and it's surely a dense affair.


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 18 2024 at 06:18
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

here is what you can read about TAAB
https://thickasabrick.net/" rel="nofollow - Thick as a Brick – Jethro Tull Site Dedicated to Understanding Thick as a Brick

I don't necessarily agree with all of this guy's interpretations, but close enough for comfort. 
Also my sig (below) is quoting and highjacking some of IA's text in that epic poem.

You've got me convinced, Sean, and I'll include TaaB in the next poll in this series. Even more important, to me, after new listenings to this album, I can tell that I like it today, maybe even much after some more listenings, and I'll add it to my collection. This makes me rather happy, as TaaB is one of the small number of the very most appreciated Prog albums which I haven't got in my collection, so the hole gets smaller. Tongue 
I can still understand, though, why Ian Anderson meant this album to be an over-the-top concept album, and it's surely a dense affair.

Try to get the original vinyl, because the full St Cleves Chronicles spoof is absolutely essential and hilarious and adds very much to the music...

The text is supposedly written by a pre-teen child that has won a poetry contest, but once the jury discovers the age of the author, they disqualify him for being insane. Gerald Bostock (the spoof author) is presumed to be the lover of a 17 y.o. teen (whose panties are visible under her dress on the front cover)
Almost every article  in the newspaper makes fun of the English society, pokes fun at the album's concept...
Even the small adds answer each other (depicting adultery) and the Sports section is Monty Python-esque.

TAAB is THE most well-thought of concept album ever.



Don't forget to look at A Passion Play's either (see the link I gave you to decipher that much-more complicated concept). Anderson was out to outdo TAAB, but stumbled spectacularly. 

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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 18 2024 at 06:26
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

TAAB is THE most well-thought of concept album ever.

May be, I was thinking about the musical side of it.



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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 18 2024 at 09:46
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

TAAB is THE most well-thought of concept album ever.

May be, I was thinking about the musical side of it.


Yessss, but TAAB is bigger than music. Heart
Because the sleeve enhances the music into something more.

It's definitely worth making the effort to buy the whole thing. 


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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 19 2024 at 07:15
suppers Ready is my favorite work of prog - powerful stuff about politics and religion- and we are just the human bacon controlled by it all. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 19 2024 at 13:48
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

suppers Ready is my favorite work of prog - powerful stuff about politics and religion- and we are just the human bacon controlled by it all

LOL Thumbs Up



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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 20 2024 at 00:52
Genesis, VdGG and ELP.

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 20 2024 at 08:45
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

suppers Ready is my favorite work of prog - powerful stuff about politics and religion- and we are just the human bacon controlled by it all

LOL Thumbs Up

But still, we also have something to say, even it ain't easy - and I'd say, we're mostly controlled by economy. Wink


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 20 2024 at 11:39
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

TAAB is THE most well-thought of concept album ever.

I still may doubt though that I'll argue TaaB to be an expression of THE most exquisite musical taste. Big smile



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 21 2024 at 02:22
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

About Supper's Ready, I'd say at least:

Part iii and iv are a very poignant and touching anti-war statement:

Wearing feelings on our faces while our faces took a rest
We walked across the fields to see the children of the West
But we saw a host of dark skinned warriors standing still below the ground
Waiting for battle
The fight's begun, they've been released
Killing foe for peace, bang, bang, bang
Bang, bang, bang
And they've given me a wonderful potion
'Cause I cannot contain my emotion
And even though I'm feeling good
Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule
Today's a day to celebrate, the foe have met their fate
The order for rejoicing and dancing has come from our warlord
Wandering in the chaos the battle has left
We climb up the mountain of human flesh
To a plateau of green grass, and green trees full of life
A young figure sits still by a pool
He's been stamped "Human Bacon" by some butchery tool
He is you

I've been thinking that these parts might be about Western imperialism, if not to call it something worse?



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: September 22 2024 at 10:29

The Serbian Kornelyans, aka Korni Grupa, are quite appreciated internationally, but I still find their album Not an Ordinary Life (1974) to be underrated. Anyway, I don't think of the song included in this poll as one of the best from this album, but here it is with the cool coverart:

                         


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 13 2024 at 08:26
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Don't forget to look at A Passion Play's either (see the link I gave you to decipher that much-more complicated concept). Anderson was out to outdo TAAB, but stumbled spectacularly. 

I've began with my first serious listening to this album, and my first impressions are rather positive, some of it being even really great and looks to me inspired by VdGG. With TaaB and A Passion Play, Tull became not only genuinly Progressive but also very much so.



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 23 2024 at 04:57
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Don't forget to look at A Passion Play's either (see the link I gave you to decipher that much-more complicated concept). Anderson was out to outdo TAAB, but stumbled spectacularly. 

When talking about A Passion Play and musically speaking, I might actually find it to be not less good than TaaB, or at least, I quite like it so far in my listening to it.



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 23 2024 at 09:07

^  While TaaB, even it was not meant so seriously by Ian Anderson - which I think is best illustrated by the first line of the lyrics: "Really don't mind if you sit this one out.", and as mentioned earlier, showed to be a significant turn in Tull's musical direction. Even more, it's maybe today the most appreciated Tull album - at least surely by the proggers, albeit Aqualung is quite as surely most liked by non-proggers. 
- I find all this quite interesting.

Anyway, I've got again a LP copy of TaaB (I had one at earlier point of time, but didn't like it enough to keep it), and it's a fine reissue manufactured by Island, but the gatefold cover is made of rather heavy cardboard. Usually I definitely prefer heavy cardboard, but this time, I now think that I would better like it made of thin cardboard, so it could more remind of a newspaper. Big smile It could maybe also give the music an impression of less heaviness and larger refinement, which I would like best. I didn't choose a release like the original newspaper edition, as with my minimalistic aestethics, it's not my cup of tea, and I don't like it to be so fragile.

Again about A Passion Play, it's going to be interesting to see what I'll think of it further on.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 30 2024 at 09:44

If wanting to prevent possible more of my posts in the thread  https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133643" rel="nofollow - Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (4)  related to the subject which I wrote about in my last posts, it was good to lock it, as I might have been very tempted to add that the point of view, I wrote about in my very last post, makes me kind of less worried about the future of the mankind.






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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 30 2024 at 10:12
While I was not involved in locking that thread, I understand why it was done. We have a moratorium on political threads, which can help to at least keep the peace here. That said, of course politics comes into lots of music and when it is not about pushing a political agenda and sharing one's own politics but instead it's about the music and the song which might well have political/ ideological component then we have been lenient. If this is about the songs in this poll, members of the forum seem interested and keep responding, then that probably should be fine. We wish to be very careful and sensitive when it comes to inflammatory and controversial subjects, when it comes to propaganda and to be careful about try to minimise spreading misinformation and disinformation.

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: October 30 2024 at 17:22

But that was definitely heavy mix, I was talking about. Big smile


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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: October 30 2024 at 17:27
I respect the OP. This tune is not prog but politically engaged and applies to our world now.




Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 02:03
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

While I was not involved in locking that thread, I understand why it was done. We have a moratorium on political threads, which can help to at least keep the peace here. ..........

Except from that my last post in that locked thread, which stated  "Besides that, what have Jesus and Marx in common? As I see it, nothing less than the two most influential social figures/thinkers in the history of the mankind up till now.", was not not political but historical. Also, there was no heated discussion.

https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133643" rel="nofollow - Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (4)  )



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 02:26
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

While I was not involved in locking that thread, I understand why it was done. We have a moratorium on political threads, which can help to at least keep the peace here. ..........

Except from that my last post in that locked thread, which stated  "Besides that, what have Jesus and Marx in common? As I see it, nothing less than the two most influential social figures/thinkers in the history of the mankind up till now.", was not not political but historical. Also, there was no heated discussion.

https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133643" rel="nofollow - Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (4)  )


Maybe do not misquote people, that would be great. 
Logan explained to you thoroughly and politely why that thread was closed. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 04:08

I don't misquote. I quote what I see to be the central arguments which I relate to in my respond - it's about precision.








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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 04:13
Genesis - Supper's Ready


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 05:01
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I don't misquote. I quote what I see to be the central arguments which I relate to in my respond - it's about precision.

Maybe you think you're doing that, but you're doing the contrary. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 06:22
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I don't misquote. I quote what I see to be the central arguments which I relate to in my respond - it's about precision.
Maybe you think you're doing that, but you're doing the contrary. 

No, I don't think I'm doing the contrary, and I have years of experience doing it in relation to my former work. Besides that, I'm convinced that it makes it easier for the readers, saves space, energy and other things - in short, it has a lot of advantages. 



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 06:28
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I don't misquote. I quote what I see to be the central arguments which I relate to in my respond - it's about precision.
Maybe you think you're doing that, but you're doing the contrary. 

No, I don't think I'm doing the contrary, and I have years of experience doing it in relation to my former work. Besides that, I'm convinced that it makes it easier for the readers, saves space, energy and other things - in short, it has a lot of advantages. 


It seems you have created the perfect excuse for taking words out of context. Good for you... 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 04 2024 at 09:05
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

It seems you have created the perfect excuse for taking words out of context. Good for you... 

No, I find it very important to think about getting all the context in one's quotation, and if the author of a post finds that it's not the case, it's very important to point it.



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