Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (2)
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Topic: Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (2)
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (2)
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 00:46
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These are some more of the songs which for the largest part have been mentioned in the https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133212" rel="nofollow - Political Prog thread, and again, you can vote for as many as you wish (multiple votes allowed). Here's the previous poll if it still should have some interest: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133340" rel="nofollow - Thinking politically / socially-engaged songs (1) Enjoy!
 ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 03:05
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Yes, Crimso, Genesis. ------------- 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 05:43
| Ange - "Les Longues Nuits D'Isaac" (1974) |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 06:00
| Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Genesis, PFM, Yes. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 06:36
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Most of these songs get my votes.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 07:07
| Isn't "Wind Up" more of a religious themed song? |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 07:48
It's about organized religion, and as thus both socially-engaged and political, as understood by the definition of the latter I use. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Grumpyprogfan wrote:Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 14:57
Religions are one of the uglier sides of politics. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 15:12
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Ange : Les longues nuits d'Isaac Being Belgian (Walloon) of french expression , I think that the text of this song does not refer to any form of political or social criticism. The best way to give our english speakers an idea of the content of this text is to consult a reliable translation. The texts, poems of Francis Décamps are not easy to decipher (it is to say that more than a literal translation is needed), even for us francophone amateurs of Ange. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 16:14
This is the translation provided in the Political Prog thread:
"English translation Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Tie your earth to the flesh of your fingers! Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Get your land out of the false king's greenhouse! Oh, night! You who envelop me in your cloth on a silver night Oh, night! You who take me away from the gaping craters Oh, night! You who dream of me on a ruby paper strike Oh, night! You are the one who forces me to remember the last cry. Have you seen the man in the pointed hat who weaves with his eyes the universal weft? Oh, night! Tell me who I am under your scarf of truth. Oh, night! Tell me who I am before you leave. Oh, night! Tell me, I dream about a ruby-paper strike. Oh, night! Tell me, can I finally let go of this latest scream? Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Tie your earth to the flesh of your fingers! Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Get your land out of the false king's greenhouse!" ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 16:26
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Thanks DD Hard to find a political/socila meaning isn't ? |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 16:34
This is the interpretation given in the Political Prog thread: "While Ange is primarily known for their symphonic prog-rock sound and their poetry inspired by medieval texts, they did incorporate elements of political commentary into some of their songs. The lyrics of these two songs, although not overtly political, could be a commentary on social injustice and rebellion against tyranny." ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 24 2024 at 21:28
| The Knife. Tony Banks is on fire and John Mayhew is the perfect drummer for this while Ant Phillips pulls out some of his best work. I wouldn't change a single second of it. |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: August 25 2024 at 02:36
read Christian Décamps who was the main lyricist , his brother Francis (main keyboards) wrote some lyrics also |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: August 25 2024 at 02:42
Hi,agree with the thread definition and... still thinking that 'Les longues nuits d'Isaac' was not a pertinent example. |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 25 2024 at 07:04
Well, I find the interpretation given as quite probable or at least enough valid to qualify the song for this poll; while I guess that the definition of political I use is mostly recognized by leftists and others who want democracy to embrace the whole society. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: August 25 2024 at 07:57
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Yes King Crimson Genesis
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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: August 26 2024 at 03:22
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The gates Of Delirium from Yes. ------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 26 2024 at 05:36
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The Gates of Delirium. I'm sharp and centered like gypsum paste. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 27 2024 at 06:44
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Triana's "Rumor" has got this splendid post in the Political Prog thread:
It's definitely a good song with engaged, touching lyrics, and it gets one of my votes too.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 06:55
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Wigwam's "Pedagogue" is even much better and surely deserves much appreciation. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 30 2024 at 08:27
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Hi, I don't think that any of these are as good, and strong, as Amon Duul 2's Mozambique from the VIVE LA TRANCE album. On top of it, it was prophetic ... Mozambique got its independence a little later!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 06:23
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A Finnish Prog site has in its review of Wigwam's album Being described "Pedagogue" in this way: "”Pedagogue”
has its roots in the three-minute single ”Pedagogi”, released a couple of years
earlier, but on Being Gustavson modified and expanded the
composition significantly and the link to the original version is barely
recognisable. The beautifully sounding ”Pedagogue”, which is full of changes in
tempo, features brass arrangements by Pekka Pohjola that are a treat to listen
to and bring to mind not only Pohjola’s idol Frank Zappa, but also Pohjola’s
own first solo albums. In the context of Being, the arrangements
could have worked a bit more sharply, though. Gustavson’s effervescent and
nimble-fingered soloing on a Fender electric piano is also particularly
stunning in ’Pedagogue’. " ( https://pienemmatpurot.com/2024/02/03/review-wigwam-being-1974/) ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 17:17
| The Knife, and The Gates of Delirium. (It's rare for me to vote for Genesis and Yes, but these two are among their very best if not the best.) |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 15 2024 at 23:22
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Voted for all of these. 21st Century Schizoid Man Les Longues Nuits D'Isaac The Knife Wind-Up -as for The Gates of Delirium which would have gotten a vote if this was ten-fifteen years ago, I notice I don't have the ability to sit through it anymore. It's great but no longer a favorite. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 16 2024 at 08:06
| Voted for ''the big four''. Not bothered about the Marillion, PFM or Eloy songs and don't know the rest. |