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Topic: Wish You Were Here v AnimalsPosted By: chessman
Subject: Wish You Were Here v Animals
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 17:49
Both of these albums are popular with Floyd fans, but which do you consider is the better? I will find the answer interesting, as I like both, but don't consider either to be their best, therefore I have no bias here. I think this might be a close one!
Replies: Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 17:59
WYWH, got to be
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 18:07
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 20:17
Wish You Were Here (Sep. 1975) 5/5
My second fave after DSOTM. Animals is on #3
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Posted By: Runaway
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 21:09
Animals, cause I hate Welcome To The Machine, and Animals is all consistent
Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 21:09
You know?, one of the many mistakes I often make when I listen to music is that I separate every song into it´s different parts. I do really pay attention to every detail, somethimes even loosing the main purspose of listening, which is enjoying the music.
I used to think of Animals as a great album, with those three impressive and extended songs hard to dig in a few listens. But then, one day I wanted to write a review. I listened to every song no less than 7 times, (after listening to them for years).
I used headphones and heard the songs from an MP3 so I could go on either direction (back and forward) with the timming bar. I listened to every second of music and wrote down my impressions of every single minute of it. This way, I discovered a few things, and it´s funny to think of a song in terms of minutes and the lenght of every passage, the lenght of every "lost" second and the times a theme or chirus is repeated during the song. In the end, it´s a ridiculous thing to do, because finally, a song is either enjoyed or not for what it is as a whole.
Well, anyway I did it. The three main songs in Animals have something in common. Each one consist of a main theme, which is rather appealing and well composed, with some very innovative details here and there, like that Waters´ singing that turns into a guitar by Guilmour. Well, that´s one thing, then comes the middle section which usually extends for too long and become repetitive and sometimes monotonous. After the middle section comes the reprise of the main theme played in the beginning of the song. So, in the end it seems like you´ve listened to a very large and complex song not very understandable.
In reality, you´ve listened to a theme that goes from 3.5 minutes in Pigs to 8.5 minutes in Dogs, a repetitive middle section of at least 3 to 4 minutes and the repetition of the exact same main theme.If you add the length of the main themes which are the real creative and original parts of the album, you have 16 minutes of effective music ¡¡.
Something else I consider a flaw in Animals, is that the songs are hardly identifiable from each other. It´s probably just me, but no matter how many times I´ve heard them in the past, if I don´t listen to them for a period longer than 3 months, I have a hard time coming up with the name of the song. The moods, textures, sounds, concepts, and general feeling are just too similar. However, I love this album and may listen to it with joy.
Yet, “Wish you were here” is my favorite Floyd album. In particular,“Shine” is my fav. Floyd song. This one presents such passion, such feeling and such implicit energy that keeps me amused for as long as it lasts. It is a song for which I have no reservations calling “a beautiful song”. The songwriting and the conviction with which it was played is impressive as well as the different moods and textures it shows.
Then, “Wish you were here” is a wonderful song very inspiring. A classic. “Welcome to the machine” is a little monotonous but interesting and “have a cigar” has a hooking chorus very entertaining.
Well, my vote is for “Wish you were here”
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 03:47
Does it really matter? If I can enjoy them both, why choose? I love them both. They are different in sound and spirit and that is why I hear each one of them in different moods. WYWH is more to relaxed times in which I need a kind of "soul purification" process. After that album I feel for some reason, cleansed. Animals is for times when I am mad at something or upset or just pissed over some matter. The lyrics suit me just fine (as a misantropic s.o.b) especially Dogs which is superb both musically and lyrically. I choose them both.
Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 04:13
I prefer WYWH, although Animals is very good. Shall I burn my "Animals" CD, then?
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 05:23
Tough choice, love 'em both but I prefer Animals. Purely personal
preference. I like the way the tracks meld together into a whole, and I
love the penultimate track, "Sheep".
Posted By: dima_olkov
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 07:27
Hard choice!!!
I choose WYWH where I believe Floyd was at its best although Animals is great also!
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 08:07
Animals
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Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 08:17
Animals
I think WYWH has some weaker material in the middle. Animals keeps me interested all throughout.
Posted By: matti meikäläin
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 08:40
animals
Posted By: daghrastubfari
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 08:46
Animals
one of the albums that really got me into prog...
WYWH is great too, but there's something in it why I think it's a little inferior to Animals
Posted By: proger
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 09:15
their both great albums
but I vote for "WIsh U Were Here"- because he got more accentuation for the music, i mean in "animels" Roger Waters take control on the album... but in "wish U were here the band is more unified and its good.
so WYWH-is my choise
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Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:05
WYWH: A
Animals A-
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:18
Animals A
Wish you were here- A-
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:22
both are great ... its difficult to choose one... but by a little i choose wish you were here
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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 11:42
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:20
Animals. It's really close though. I think that will change, I'm just in an Animals mood right now.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:24
Shine On Your Crazy Diamond does it for me
Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:25
Wish you were here definitely, the best album of all times, and the
band's favorite. I personally prefer it mostly beacuse Wright's
presence is really strong in this one, and he is almost unheard on
Animals.
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 17:34
WYWH, sheer brilliance from beginning to end.
Animals has some fantastic moments, but it also gets a tad sparse and repetitive, IMHO
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 18:04
Empathy wrote:
WYWH, sheer brilliance from beginning to end.
Animals has some fantastic moments, but it also gets a tad sparse and repetitive, IMHO
Quoted for truth.
Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 19:34
Thanks for the interesting responses so far folks! I said this could be close, and so it is turning out to be. Out of interest, although neither is my favourite Floyd album, I would certainly choose Wish You Were Here. It is more melodic, and more of a band composition. Also, I think Gilmour's playing is better on it. Animals is too angst-ridden, and lacks a little in the melodic region somehow. I also have trouble naming the individual tracks on it, if I don't listen to it for a while. I also think Rick Wright's contribution is far greater on Wish You Were Here. Still, it's all down to personal choice, as indeed it should be. Whichever album you vote for, it can't be right or wrong to do so! It just shows, like I always say, that all good bands have a number of albums the fans find it hard to choose from, because their levels of creativity are constant over a period of time. Far better to have such a glorious choice, than to have a band with one outstanding album, and the rest, at best, mediocre.
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: October 21 2005 at 21:05
Animals, no contest.
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: October 22 2005 at 00:46
Wish You Were Here!! - Wonderful musicianship and possibly PF's best "sound-scape" album.
Animals is great too, but harder to listen to - as mentioned already very angst and difficult to distinguish the tracks from each other - still it is a PF masterpiece as is most of their albums.
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Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: October 22 2005 at 13:47
animals is good music but not a really Pink Floyd album, kind of like how works is not real ELP
Wish you where here all the way! I love every song on the album
Posted By: Don Quito
Date Posted: October 22 2005 at 14:11
I find Animals very conceptual and with most impressive musical passages... It's like listening to one single track... Hard to notice at first when a track ends and the other begins...
Don't get me wrong... It isn't that I find Wish You Where Here less conceptual than Animals... It is just that I love each song in the Animals album... But I also like WYWH, specially the tracks: Shine On You Crazy Dimond and Welcome To The Machine... They are a blast!
Why are this polls so hard...???
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Posted By: jotah15
Date Posted: October 22 2005 at 14:16
I think "shine on you..." is best FLOYD SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 24 2005 at 08:06
chessman wrote:
I also have trouble naming the individual tracks on it, if I don't listen to it for a while.
You´re not alone on that chessman. ...One advise for you. Listen to the album. The song that has PIGS sound effects is "PIGS", the one that has Sheep sound effects is "Sheep" and dogs has no effects on that regard.
You see,?, Pink Floyd had the same feeling about the album after it was finished. They didin´t know if they had recorded the same song three times or had lost two of the three they had recorded. So they decided to take these three tracks and put a different name for each.
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 24 2005 at 14:46
Like a few others, I tend to alternate between which one I prefer...
but it's WYWH usually, so I went with that. I think SOYCD (all parts)
is the best thing PF's ever done.
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 24 2005 at 15:04
Oh DAMN! this is way to hard so im not going to bother voting, their equel first IMO
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 24 2005 at 15:32
Animals for me, as it has more spine tingling moments of brilliance.However WYWH is a nice consistent album that always sounds good whatever your mood.Its a lovely cosy armchair of an album!
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 10:20
I voted for Wish You Were Here. Both are great though.
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 10:40
Animals
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Posted By: Tychovski
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:29
Wish You Were Here is a much better work overall, I just prefer Animals.
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:55
I tend to prefer WYWH over Animals. Both great records, thought.
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Posted By: Ultaigh
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 18:03
This is a harder desision then choosing between the Wall and Dark side.
They're both great albums from Pink Floyd, I'll go with Animals.
Posted By: Destrio
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 18:20
Animals, my fav Pink Floyd Album
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:08
wish animals were here
Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:09
Animals
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 12:47
wish you were here!
Posted By: bctruce
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 12:49
Animals, since it's my all-time favorite anyway. Nothing against WYWH, it's awesome too.
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 09:18
Animals
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 09:36
NO CONTEST!! WISH YOU WERE HERE!!
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 09:40
NO CONTEST! ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!
Well actually it's quite a contest as they are both masterpieces, but Animals is my favourite Pink Floyd album
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 09:42
Winter Wine wrote:
NO CONTEST! ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!
Well actually it's quite a contest as they are both masterpieces, but Animals is my favourite Pink Floyd album
I agree with the masterpiece aspect,still as much as I love Animals
(especially Sheep-such a gigantic scaled piece),I cannot choose
anything but my favourite PF album...Shine is one of my three
soul-pieces from Pink Floyd.
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Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 11:33
Can't choose. I am die hard Floyd fan. I love them both
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Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 11:35
Hate to break the tie, but WYWH.
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 11:47
Tie!! Both 4.5*.
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 12:07
from those 2 i prefer WYWH but not for too much
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 15:10
WISH YOU WERE HERE!!!
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 17:49
Animals easily. WYWH has some crap on it
Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 17:52
I prefer Wish You Were Here, and I always will but if the poll was "what is more progressive? Animals or Wish You Were Here?" I would vote Animals. Wish You Were Here is just more timeless.
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 19:40
I don't like the title song WYWH. It's just a boring pub song lol. Have a cigar is just as boring.
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 20:00
gentletull wrote:
I don't like the title song WYWH. It's just a boring pub song lol. Have a cigar is just as boring.
Wish You Were Here is one of the most touching songs i've ever heard, I put the album on late last night and it was just so powerful and always will be. As for Have a Cigar, what an oddly timed riff, so cool..
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 20:09
Both great - WYWH more great
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 20:21
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 21:06
Wish you were here. I decided this after some day I have heard the two
in sequence and I prefered Wish you were here material. Though I like
Animals only Shine On beats the whole Animals album, in my opinion.
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 28 2006 at 21:11
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Posted By: Crazy_Guitar
Date Posted: February 13 2006 at 19:30
WYWH beats A, IMHO, only because of my favourite PF song "Shine On...".
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: February 13 2006 at 21:18
Animals beacause Dogs is just a hair bit more atmospheric and depressing than Welcome to the Machine.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 13 2006 at 22:48
this is a tough one....
WYWH by a nose.... such a great album.
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Posted By: Ultaigh
Date Posted: February 13 2006 at 22:58
It's a very tough choice. But it seems as though I've listened to Animals more, so I chose Animals.
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 13 2006 at 23:42
holy crap- 71 to 71!
Animals should win!
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Posted By: edible_buddha
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 00:05
Ok, Ok, Ive voted for WYWH, but I am deciding my vote from about 7-8 yrs ago, which was the last time I have heard Animals...
Unfortunately, I found animals musically boring with Roger whinging (as opposed to opening his soul, as he did on other albums). I remember purchasing it on vinyl, listening to it once or twice, and shelving it....
WYWH is another story, with Shine on... taking me on a sonic journey, and a fitting 'memorial' to their friend Syd, and Welcome to the machine showing us a darker side to a band that was still experementing with sonics (good on em).
Mind u.... This is based on what i thought 7-8 yrs ago. Am willing to give animals another listen when I get it on CD (to be honest, its not a high priority album, but I have the strangest feeling that I may get a 'Floydian' birthday present this year). I may change my opinion on it.
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Posted By: cucacola54
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 00:08
Animals!! my fav PF album
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 00:55
Animals has taken the lead 78-77!
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Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 01:20
Mmm I have to chose one so:
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Posted By: kev2307
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 03:18
IMO - there can be no contest - Wish you were here is floyds second best album after Moon.
Posted By: penna58
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 06:15
Without any doubt ANIMALS!!
WYWH was really too synt- experimental and infact they return to a more traditional prog with Animals
Posted By: luckyman_123
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 22:55
Animals is a better overall album than WYWH, but...It's not Floyd. It's more of a Waters solo album. WYWH is clear cut Floyd. That's my vote.
Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 23:34
I personally enjoy them both, but i voted for Animals - i like the story better
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Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 23:35
Drew wrote:
holy crap- 71 to 71!
Animals should win!
wish you were here should win
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Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 23:39
Rust wrote:
Animals beacause Dogs is just a hair bit more atmospheric and depressing than Welcome to the Machine.
i agree with Dogs being more atmospheric but Welcome to the Machine is more depressing imo it makes people want to kill themselves.
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Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 23:51
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Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 14:54
I just tied the vote 84-84. It's a toss up. I always liked Animals and the guitar work is great, especially that bit at the end of the album. It is also one of the most lyrical Floyd albums. Wish You Were Here is great for the keyboards. It has such a sparse texture but Wright just fills it up with all those sounds. And all the great one liners. "It's all right; we told you what to dream." and "Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage." Great stuff!!!
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 15:31
Well of course Shine on you crazy diamond part I,II,III is one of the best tracks ever. the next 2 tracks are somewhat weaker though. Animals is always on a high level with Pigs and Sheep especially good. I think Animals and the Wall are the best Pink Floyd albums.
Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 11:37
Wow, I never really thought about that question. That's like comparing Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun.
But I think Wish You Were Here is the better album. And the concept and cover design is better.
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Posted By: Bt-Tor
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 11:53
I find Animals to be a much more consistent album. Dogs is one of their
best songs. And that closing, jangly riff at the end of Sheep is my
favorite guitar riff from Gilmour.
Wish You Were Here is also excellent with the classic Shine on You
Crazy Diamond suites, however Welcome to the Machine is a bit tedious
and lacklustre. Have a Cigar is alright, and Wish You Were Here is a
nice radio-friendly song. Overall the album lacks consistency and I am
really surprised at how high it is rated on the Prog Archives list...
oh well.
Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 12:08
I think that Wish You Were Here is their perfect album...followed by Dark Side, Animals, Meddle, Piper at the Gates of Dawn, and The Division Bell. The only Pink Floyd albums that are sub-par are The Final Cut and AMLOR.
Posted By: Ounamahl
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 12:37
Wish You Were Here, I find Animals quite boring. Dogs for example is not very good song...
But Wish You Were Here is definetly one of the best albums ever created. It's stunning.
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 20:34
Ounamahl Said Dogs for example is not very good song...
WOW! Amazing how people differ. I think Dogs is one of Floyds (Rogers) best lyrics.
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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:04
Animals.
And ^^^^^ I agree wholeheartedly. The lyrics on this album are Waters best IMHO. Dogs especially.
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:18
I voted WYWH (my preferred PF album), lacking now one more vote to tie 99-99.
EDIT: just when I was posting it some good soul appeared and tied in 99...
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Posted By: kane83
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 01:30
animals is better IMHO
if you asked me 6 mouths ago I would have said WYWH because of sheep. I just didn't like it for a realy long time but now it's ok to me and welcome to the machine is terrible and always has been to me but I think shine on is one of the best songs floyd ever did.
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Posted By: DrWizard
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 11:48
Both are incredible albums but i said WYWH
Musically it is floyd's best and shine on outweighs any song on
animals. This might sound wierd but animals is almost to consistent for
me. From dogs to sheep theres not enough emotianal change. WYWH has 5
totally unique and brilliant songs.
Both albums come from the end of the DSOTM era (which is my fav) so its an easy choice for me.
If it was between WYWH and Meddle it might be different.
Animals ROCKS though!!! Its impossible for them to make an album that i can call bad
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 11:50
wywh.
i prefer syd barrett's early Floyd to any other floyd, though.
unfortunately we never got to see how it would turn out if he stayed with the band
Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 12:51
Wish you Were Here
I love the title track and shine on and think it's just better then animals.
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 13:40
Animals just barely edges it out, in part because the lyrics and vocals are just so good.
Wow, the poll is 104-103 Animals
Posted By: necromancing777
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 13:51
My vote is for Animals. I love Wish You Were Here, but I think over-exposure on FM radio ruined it for me. Animals is a much more compelling experience.
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Posted By: bundy
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 20:20
WYWH
Animals = Pink Floyd's most over rated album IMO.
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Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 00:54
WOW, 106-106
Man people are REALLY divided on these albums. I'm going to vote in a second and tip the scale... I'm just trying to decide which way...
Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 06:22