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Topic: Extreme albums with guitar work like Thin Lizzy?Posted By: Orchidphile
Subject: Extreme albums with guitar work like Thin Lizzy?
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 08:29
I suppose this falls under the banner of "prog".
Basically what the title says. Extreme metal bands, be they black or death metal, that have riffs characteristic of Thin Lizzy's style: dual guitar harmonies. It'd also help if they kept the hard rock feeling by not having too many blast beats or tremolo picking, and ideally none at all.
Some examples of what I'm looking for would be: In Flames - Lunar Strain, Garden of Shadows - Oracle Moon, Opeth - Orchid, and Fall of the Leafe - Storm of the Autumnfall.
Replies: Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 11:02
Dragonforce?
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 15:14
Dissection, Unanimated, Necrophobic. The three blackened melodic death metal acts from the early 90s. Loads of harmony guitar work on their albums.
At the Gates is another valid recommendation.
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Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 15:22
I'm a huge fan of all these bands and they don't even remotely sound like Thin Lizzy. They do too much tremolo picking, blast beats, and just generally black metal riffing. I meant something very much like TL's harmonies, and like the example albums I mentioned.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 15:27
No one sounds like Thin Lizzy, but many metal artists using harmony guitar leads in their music are influenced by them.
If you enjoy those types of harmonies I´d give Wishbone Ash a listen, but of course they aren´t extreme metal .
It´s not really my favorite genre when it comes to extreme metal, so I´m a bit blank since you can´t use the suggestions I made above.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 15:29
Hmm maybe the Swedish band Hearse. It´s melodic death´n´roll.
yeah and maybe Desultary too. They use quite a bit of harmonies in their music too.
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Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 15:55
Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like I'm just looking for stuff "like Thin Lizzy", I mean bands (specifically albums) that arrange harmonies just like they did: dual guitar harmonies, no rhythm other than the bass and drums, without tremolo or blast beats. The albums I mentioned as an example do that for the most part. I mean something like that.
It's ok if you're out of your depth, but remember I'll likely sit down for a whole album to make a fair assessment of your recs.
btw, I used to ask this as "bands with riffs like Wishbone Ash", but I guess Thin Lizzy is more popular so it gets more attention ;)
EDIT: depth not debt!
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 23:39
...I don't get it.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 00:39
Arch Enemy - "Burning Bridges". That album has the 70s hard rock/heavy metal feel and harmony guitar work.(function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8adc8bdb5a0b9fa5',t:'MTcyMjc1MzUyNS4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium; visibility: ;">
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 07:22
cstack3 wrote:
...I don't get it.
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Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 08:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0NpmOhLYm0
I want an extreme metal band that plays riffs like this: harmonized melodies, no rhythm guitar chugging along in the background or anything, just bass and drums as backing. No Tremolo, no blast beats.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 10:28
Orchidphile wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0NpmOhLYm0
I want an extreme metal band that plays riffs like this: harmonized melodies, no rhythm guitar chugging along in the background or anything, just bass and drums as backing. No Tremolo, no blast beats.
I don't know that this music exists. Buy a guitar, find some bandmates and do it yourself.
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Posted By: SpaceRockTraveller
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 10:44
Lancaster's Wytch Hazel comes to mind, particularly in its melodic
twin guitar harmonies and dynamic rhythms that evoke the classic sound
of the legendary Irish band! 🎸🎸🤘
Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 15:54
Love Wytch Hazel and yeah, they do the type of harmony, but the request here is that they should be done by an extreme metal band. Otherwise there's Tanith, Hällas, or Wishbone Ash in the realm of hard rock/metal.
Posted By: SpaceRockTraveller
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 16:48
Orchidphile wrote:
Love Wytch Hazel and yeah, they do the type of
harmony, but the request here is that they should be done by an extreme
metal band. Otherwise there's Tanith, Hällas, or Wishbone Ash in the
realm of hard rock/metal.
The
🇸🇪Swedish metal scene should have several such bands. I personally
don't like growling vocals, but I know about Arch Enemy. They play
melodic death metal with twin guitar harmonies. As a genre, however, I'm afraid it has nothing to do with Thin Lizzy.
Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 18:27
Well, now I'm pissed they didn't do the type of harmony more! I was skeptical at first, but when I heard the harmony in Silverwing, that's some good sh*t. Thanks!
Posted By: SpaceRockTraveller
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 19:12
Orchidphile wrote:
Well, now I'm pissed they didn't do the type of
harmony more! I was skeptical at first, but when I heard the harmony in
Silverwing, that's some good sh*t. Thanks!
Actually, Arch Enemy's
new single "Dream Stealer" also does feature a harmony of twin guitar,
which is more or less a hallmark of their style. But, again, it has
nothing to do with Thin Lizzy
Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 20:05
It sounds nothing like Thin Lizzy because it's not like the type of riff I asked for. I'd recommend you check both the link to a Thin Lizzy harmony I posted earlier, and some songs from the albums I mentioned in the initial post. Otherwise there'd be no reason to keep dwelling on Arch Enemy, a band that just accidentally stumbled upon that type of harmony a couple of times in an album. Or the entirety of the Swedish melodeath scene, for that matter, because I already mentioned all the albums from that scene that apply to my request (Lunar Strain and Orchid).
Look, I appreciate your intention to help, but if you're out of your depth you shouldn't feel forced to come up with something.
Posted By: SpaceRockTraveller
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 21:44
Orchidphile wrote:
It sounds nothing like Thin Lizzy because it's not
like the type of riff I asked for. I'd recommend you check both the link
to a Thin Lizzy harmony I posted earlier, and some songs from the
albums I mentioned in the initial post. Otherwise there'd be no reason
to keep dwelling on Arch Enemy, a band that just accidentally stumbled
upon that type of harmony a couple of times in an album. Or the entirety
of the Swedish melodeath scene, for that matter, because I already
mentioned all the albums from that scene that apply to my request (Lunar
Strain and Orchid).
Look, I appreciate your intention to help, but if you're out of your depth you shouldn't feel forced to come up with something.
Well,
it is crucial for you to understand that there actually are no bands
that merge the melodic hard-rock sensibilities of Thin Lizzy with the
nature of death metal without losing the essence of either genre. These
two worlds—Thin Lizzy's melodic hard rock versus extreme metal—are
fundamentally different in their approach to music creation. While bands
from the aforementioned Swedish melodeath scene (like Arch Enemy, In
Flames, or Dark Tranquillity) may utilise melody within their
compositions—often drawing on harmonised guitar lines—they still operate
within a framework that emphasises heaviness and
gloominess over melody.
Therefore, our recommendations should remain
focused on artists who genuinely embody those specific qualities rather
than attempting to force connections where none exist
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 22:11
Orchidphile wrote:
Look, I appreciate your intention to help, but if you're out of your depth you shouldn't feel forced to come up with something.
What is it with new users asking questions where they'll never be satisfied, and then being completely condescending about it? I swear, this happens every few months or so
Seriously, that "out of your depth" comment is so needlessly arrogant and haughty
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Posted By: SpaceRockTraveller
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 22:17
Necrotica wrote:
Orchidphile wrote:
Look, I appreciate your intention to help, but if you're out of your depth you shouldn't feel forced to come up with something.
What is it with new users asking questions where
they'll never be satisfied, and then being completely condescending
about it? I swear, this happens every few months or so
It's
true what @Waltz Wood Wanderer said that some people on music forums
these days purposefully ask for things that contradict each other just
for kicks
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: August 04 2024 at 22:34
Waltz Woods Wanderer wrote:
SpaceRockTraveller wrote:
Necrotica wrote:
Orchidphile wrote:
Look, I appreciate your intention to help, but if you're out of your depth you shouldn't feel forced to come up with something.
What is it with new users asking questions where
they'll never be satisfied, and then being completely condescending
about it? I swear, this happens every few months or so
It's
true what @Waltz Wood Wanderer said that some people on music forums
these days purposefully ask for things that contradict each other just
for kicks
"Recommend
me a song that combines the lyrical depth and acoustic sound of Bob
Dylan with the heavy metal intensity of Metallica."
"And then Tommy would go, 'No, dude. Like, heavy. Like PANTERA. But lush, like OASIS.' And I'm sitting there going, 'Half of these bands I've never even f*cking heard of before. Who are the MANIC STREET PREACHERS? Never heard of 'em.' And I'm trying to process, how do you blend PANTERA with OASIS or CHEAP TRICK or Bowie?"
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Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 09:16
I don't think I'm getting my message across. Did you listen to any of the examples I mentioned in my original post? Or the Thin Lizzy riff I posted later as an example of what I'm looking for? Because if you can't hear the same arrangements in both, then I don't know what to tell you. For the record, Thin Lizzy here is the least important part of the argument. They're just a vessel to represent a ver specific type of riff, because they're well known so I expected people to go "oh yeah, Thin Lizzy's harmonies, I know those", yet everyone here seems to act like I'm asking for something like Whisky in the Jar with growls, which is not the case.
Here is the Thin Lizzy harmony in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0NpmOhLYm0
Listen to that then listen to the first 1:30 mins of In Mist She was Standing by Opeth. If what I'm asking for isn't clear after that, well, good day sir.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 10:29
You mention both Opeth and early In Flames, but it´s not like any of those two artists don´t use heavy chugging riffs...but somehow they are not disqualified while other melodeath and melodic doom metal artists are?
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Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 10:32
I'm just referencing those 2 albums in particular, Orchid and Lunar Strain. Nothing else is those bands' discographies are anything like them, or what I'm asking for. Please, let's stick to the specific examples.
Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 10:35
But the person admitted not liking the genre, how is it wrong to tell someone that they aren't familiar with the topic when they already admitted as such?
And it's important to be so oddly specific because this is an extremely niche request so of course I also need to do the legwork to show them the right direction of my request. How am I arrogant when I'm just trying to help them too? The person who said death metal was "kitsch" sounded far more arrogant and yet I decided to ignore it.
Posted By: Orchidphile
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 12:59
Suggesting good bands does not equal fantastic suggestions for my request. You might as well recommend The Beatles then.
And yes, you need to be deep into a style to give an accurate recommendation. People keep bringing up Arch Enemy as if they aren't literally the biggest melodeath band in the world right now. I know them, I think they're alright, but just because they belong to the same genre as some bands I mentioned doesn't mean they're "the same". Hell, not even the bands I mentioned are, just those specific releases.
Please, whatever you assume about the sound of Opeth or In Flames or whatever, forget about it. I'm not talking Blackwater Park or Jester Race here, I'm talking other albums.
As for the songs you recommended, well, I'd say you should check these to get an accurate view of the type of riff I'm looking for:
In Flames - In Flames
Dark Tranquility - Crimson Winds
One last thing: this isn't about Thin Lizzy, or hard rock, or melodeath, it's about the example albums I've been mentioning, which I hope someone has been checking.
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: August 06 2024 at 08:59
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Date Posted: August 06 2024 at 14:07
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 07 2024 at 01:40
Zardli wrote:
Paradise LostAs I DieEP 1992
Good song, no doubt, but if there was an influence on Shades of God, it was Black Sabbath and not Thin Lizzy.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 07 2024 at 03:45
Zardli wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Zardli wrote:
Paradise LostAs I DieEP 1992
Good song, no doubt, but if there was an influence on Shades of God, it was Black Sabbath and not Thin Lizzy.
Oh, really? Maybe you should hear that 1992 EP in its entirety.
I did. I just don't hear the Thin Lizzy influence.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 07 2024 at 03:51
Zardli wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Zardli wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Zardli wrote:
Paradise LostAs I DieEP 1992
Good song, no doubt, but if there was an influence on Shades of God, it was Black Sabbath and not Thin Lizzy.
Oh, really? Maybe you should hear that 1992 EP in its entirety.
I did. I just don't hear the Thin Lizzy influence.
Ah, well, it seems I'm utterly at a loss as to how I might assist you…
No need for assistance , it's just a simple disagreement. No harm done.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 07 2024 at 05:42
Lizzy Borden - A Hair Metal band who sound a bit like Thin Lizzy.
Any you thought Kiss were over-the-top.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 29 2024 at 17:33
For a second I thought the OP was looking for albums by the band Extreme that sound like Thin Lizzy. I would be no help either way.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 29 2024 at 18:14
Orchidphile wrote:
Listen to that then listen to the first 1:30 mins of In Mist She was Standing by Opeth. If what I'm asking for isn't clear after that, well, good day sir.
The attitude's unnecessary, Fez.
I'm not a fan of Opeth and I listened to the clip. It's listenable until the vocals come in. That's a very consistent guitar harmony. The only way you'll find more songs like that is (drum roll) to keep listening till you find more songs like that.
You're better off posting this question to the Ultimate Metal forum.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 02:27
cstack3 wrote:
Orchidphile wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0NpmOhLYm0
I want an extreme metal band that plays riffs like this: harmonized melodies, no rhythm guitar chugging along in the background or anything, just bass and drums as backing. No Tremolo, no blast beats.
I don't know that this music exists. Buy a guitar, find some bandmates and do it yourself.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 31 2024 at 09:13
^cstack3's two comments perfectly sums up my own thoughts