8/1/81: Post-MTV Prog
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Topic: 8/1/81: Post-MTV Prog
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Subject: 8/1/81: Post-MTV Prog
Date Posted: July 31 2024 at 17:51
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With little to no fanfare on August 1st, 1981, MTV began broadcasting music videos to a very small, unassuming audience. Many pop culture historians would have us believe today that this was an "era-defining moment", when all it probably really did was to increase record company marketing budgets, as every act had to promote the music they recorded with videos for MTV. At the same time, the music industry was unquestionably changing. New technologies, new formats, new instruments, and new recording equipment would change everything for established recording artists. As someone who was there at the time, I'll never forget how quickly the entire decade of the 1970s was entirely marginalized and dismissed as if it were some ancient stone age. (Cue Brian Lane's infamous quote about "It's prog with the fat trimmed off!") The choices above are all the first studio albums released by these existing prog artists AFTER August 1, 1981. None will be found on this site's Top 100 Albums rankings, for reasons which are still being argued and debated to this day. Many of these have devoted followings, but at the same time, just as many detractors. So which one is your favorite?
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 31 2024 at 17:57
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Discipline doesn't make the Top 100? Wow. I'm still going with Emerson, Lake & Powell. That's one of the first prog albums I bought after getting into Goblin, Tangerine Dream, and Rush (I wasn't even aware of the prog label back then). ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: July 31 2024 at 19:06
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I watched MTV on its first day. Such on oddball collection of videos back then. Mostly little know early new wave and art rock. Bowie might of been the most well known that I remember. Some promotional videos made for Scary Monsters. Buggles of course had the first song aired. I recall Adam and the Ants, Wall of Voodoo, Devo. I first heard Saga on MTV with clips for Don't Be Late and Careful Where You Step. My vote goes for King Crimson. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: July 31 2024 at 19:43
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Not exactly on topic but i recently discovered a video of the very first two hours played on MTV. Amazing that these videos were cutting edge at the time and look so dated now! -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 00:27
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Rush > Pink Floyd >= Yes ------------- 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 00:30
| Rush - Signals |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 04:27
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King Crimson's Discipline. I'm inside a cesium atom making gnome bubbles. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 04:40
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progaardvark wrote:Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 04:41
I was going to say I like all of the albums in the poll until I started going down the list and came to King Crimson.  Anyway, here's my Top 5 list:-
1. YES - 90125 2. Asia - Asia 3. E.L.P. - Emerson, Lake & Powell 4. Mike Oldfield - Five Miles Out 5. Supertramp - Famous Last Words
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 04:58
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RRUUSSHH Asia Mr. Gabriel Yes The Tulls ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 13:13
Among my very earliest memories of BOTH Saga and King Crimson was seeing MTV-broadcast concerts!
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 13:44
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Jethro Tull - The Broadsword And The Beast Emerson, Lake & Powell - Emerson, Lake & Powell Genesis - Abacab Supertramp - Famous Last Words
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 20:04
| King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Steve Hacketrt. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 01 2024 at 23:36
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The truth is, Rush... but I'll give my vote to the Mike Oldfield, which is a great album then, Tull come third. The only album I've not heard here is the Saga, who have never done much for me ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 02:26
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Well, call it pop but my choice can't not be 90125 ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 04:29
| Of all the albums on the list , EL and Powell was the only attempt to bring prog back in it's original long song format. Side One was for the headphones, side two was meant to crossover to the current audience with more 'radio friendly' tunes such as Touch and Go and Love Blind. They also do the classical thing on Mars. Cozy wanted to use electronic drums but the record company resisted it. Everything was going against the grain with this album and when the band toured the USA the audiences got smaller the further west they headed. Madison Square Gardens was probably the high point of the tour and eventually a live album came out of that show. It's much better than the poorly produced album which had way too much echo on the vocals. Sadly the line up didn't continue and as soon as Palmer was free of his commitments to Asia the original line reformed and announced a festival date in Germany. That soon fell through and it was maybe 5 years before they properly reformed. In the meantime Emerson and Palmer performed at an Atlantic record celebration bash as 'Emerson and Palmer' along with Robert Berry. There also followed the excrement that was 3 to the power of 3 with said same line up. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 04:32
| Voted Signals. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 04:45
what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 06:05
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Mr. Oldfield 😎 ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 03 2024 at 10:47
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Pink Floyd TFC. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 02:17
I like all Mike Oldfield up to and inc Discovery. After that it's patchy. OLdfield was never clearly ''prog'' and kind of did his own thing parallel (or ''prog adjacent'' as is the trendy term) to that movement so he was well aware of it. When he toured Incantations it was way too impracticable (similar to ELP with Works) so he modified his style, trimming it down to a more slicker band orientated format. I still like it but you can't beat the first 4. ''Prog'' maybe, contemporary classical music for sure.
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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: August 05 2024 at 09:05
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Discipline of King Crimson followed by Signals of Rush.. ------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: August 06 2024 at 00:42
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8/1/81 = August 1st, 1981 ?!! I hate the way Americans write numerical dates, it's just so WRONG! Day/Month/Year is much better, though Year/Month/Day is the best because chronological order is the same as alphabetical order. BTW, I vote for Yes - 90125. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 06 2024 at 02:06
But anyway, the poll is stupid because it pushes a "1st world centric narrative. In poorer countries, such as the post Eastern Bloc ones or non-commonwealth states in general, incredible complex prog music was still recorded post August 1981! Examples: Synkopy & Oldřich Veselý - Sluneční hodiny (~December 1981) Anyone's Daughter - In Blau (1982) RSC - s/t (1983) Bacamarte - Depois do Fim (1983) East - Hüség (1982) Автограф - s/t (1986) I'm excluding the unrelated 1st wave OG Neo-Prog movement in the UK obviously. ;) ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: August 06 2024 at 21:17
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^That's a very good point, but per usual, the forums default to the well-known artists. Fame bias, I suppose. (I'm going to be super pedantic here, Depois do Fim was actually recorded in 1977, just not released until 1983. Either way, I still agree that there is a bias towards Anglo-American prog, with some nods towards the Italians and Swedes).
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 07 2024 at 05:18
------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: August 12 2024 at 09:49
Don't forget Carl Palmer's pre-Asia guest appearance on "Mount Teidi"!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 13 2024 at 09:29
One of the great missed opportunites was that there was no further collaboration between them. For those unaware, Mount Teidi is an extinct volcano on the Spanish island of Tenerife and one of its major tourist attractions. Carl Palmer went to live there permanently and I guess Oldfield was also living there at that time.
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Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: August 13 2024 at 18:08
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SAGA way above the rest for me. |