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Topic: Who are generally the most close-minded fans?Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Subject: Who are generally the most close-minded fans?
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 15:14
I fixed it !!
Replies: Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 15:18
Top-40 pop radio fans...
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 15:19
I think you mean close-minded. If closest minded then I'd say closest to whom? Then there are the closet-minded fans.
Don't know. You will find fans of each that are close-minded and open-minded.
Not to be close-minded, but why is this in Prog polls and not in General Music Discussions? The other place would be Just For Fun for it, which I rather favour.
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 15:27
That must be me!
If not, the metal fans...
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 15:36
I guess the fan that sits next to you when you sleep is the closest
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Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 16:14
suitkees wrote:
That must be me!
If not, the metal fans...
Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 16:15
I could of swear added Prog fans but someone edited it!!! WHAT!!!!.
Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 16:23
Fixed it!!!!
Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 16:24
Logan wrote:
I think you mean close-minded. If closest minded then I'd say closest to whom? Then there are the closet-minded fans.
Don't know. You will find fans of each that are close-minded and open-minded.
Not to be close-minded, but why is this in Prog polls and not in General Music Discussions? The other place would be Just For Fun for it, which I rather favour.
fixed !!!! jjajajaja
Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 16:26
suitkees wrote:
That must be me!
If not, the metal fans...
disagree!!! I know a lot metal fans that are more into prog than anything else. How about prog fans?
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 18:31
Hard to say or point out who. I find the same kind of fans on every genre. Some are open minded, others are really closed minded. I used to be one of those regarding prog in general, until a friend opened my mind to many beautiful options in other genres. I still cannot stand Hip-Hop, Pop or Rap, to say the least, but that's more a personal choice/taste than anything else.
Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 18:37
Manuel wrote:
Hard to say or point out who. I find the same kind of fans on every genre. Some are open minded, others are really closed minded. I used to be one of those regarding prog in general, until a friend opened my mind to many beautiful options in other genres. I still cannot stand Hip-Hop, Pop or Rap, to say the least, but that's more a personal choice/taste than anything else.
me too! I can't stand most rap songs from any era!!!
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 18:48
I say metal fans because they seem to have their own little subculture (kind of like punk fans) and tend not to listen to anything other than metal (in my experience). Most prog fans I've come across like other music forms even if prog is their favorite.
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 19:06
Punk Fans or traditional jazz fans
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 19:17
^You could say most classical fans are rather narrow in their taste also.
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 20:22
Country music fans without a second consideration. Now get off my lawn.
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 20:38
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 20:42
According to research, it is actually pop music fans, but anecdotally, I'd also agree with that.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 04:38
I've never judged people like that when it comes to enjoying music - close minded vs open-minded.
If I dislike a music genre, it means I just don't enjoy what I hear, for whatever reason (be it the song-writing, performance, poor vocals and so on). Open-mindedness has got nothing to do with it...
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 04:45
Criswell wrote:
Top-40 pop radio fans...
This . . .
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 05:26
Hardcore gamers.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 09:50
Cristi wrote:
I've never judged people like that when it comes to enjoying music - close minded vs open-minded.
If I dislike a music genre, it means I just don't enjoy what I hear, for whatever reason (be it the song-writing, performance, poor vocals and so on). Open-mindedness has got nothing to do with it...
Not in your case, but I find that there are many people who easily/ casually dismiss genres and bands as garbage because they have not discovered music that they enjoyed. That kind of attitude I find close-minded and arrogant. Such people too might appear incredulous that anyone could enjoy such music. And one can appreciate and give credit to things without enjoying them. One also can grow to enjoy music that would not have appealed at an earlier stage in one's journey.
You find close-minded fans (not willing to entertain that certian music can have value) listening to all styles of music, but in my music experience it has been classical listeners (although they tended to appreciate jazz as well).
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 10:10
Hi,
My thoughts always were that when someone did not enjoy something and were (what we call) close minded about it, the issue would then be that such a person might not exactly be a music lover .... if you are a music lover, you might not exactly prefer this or that, but you will always appreciate the musicianship and the care it takes in putting it together, specially when it takes several folks.
But, there are other reasons which are hard to include/not-include here, and the most common one is the singing in a different language. Many folks don't like ANGE because of the very romantic (classical romantic and very french) style of singing, not to mention its acting component, which has a massive history in French music. A lot can be said for the Italian bands as well ... I still prefer PFM's original albums, Banco's original albums, and even Le Orme's original Felona e Serona ... there is a feeling of honesty and emotion that does not translate as well with different words in different languages. To me, this is like listening to Verdi, Puccini and many other operas ... they teach you how to feel and understand a lot of the music behind it.
For me, these are not a problem due to the fact that I was born into the Latin Bloc of languages, and there are many things in the grammar in them that are similar making the understanding of it very different from a translation. Translation, based on what has happened on my father's work is ... I want to say CRAP, because sometimes folks like to invent a socio/political idea that is not exactly there in the original, and if it is, it is subtle and not a part of the "forefront" of the words, or ideas. My dad did not live "in fear" if his politics were open and heard, but there had been enough problems and political deaths in the family to consider being quiet and not spend the time teasing, or creating situations that could easily be understood and taken badly ... that would, likely, involve family members being taken away! Thus at times his work comes off as completely personal, and not socio/political at all. Again, however, some translations have gone too far ... including one that is boring ... that suggests that because the character has a red sh*t on that it means ___ such and such ... and c'mon, it destroys the story in my book. It didn't need that idea or comment.
And this is the hard part of the romance languages (the Latin bloc), since there are verb tenses that have an expression that does not translate well into English at all and I get caught in these a lot ... "stop making assumptions" ... it's not an assumption as much as it would be a what if, a verb tense that doesn't exist in English and is often translated badly, and some folks here, always take it personally, because I'm not sure they are reading the whole paragraph, or sentence, but that might be up to discussion ... i real life, I do not spend any of my time insulting anyone and in fact, I'm a bit on the crazy side ... I talk to all the little animals in my yard, feed them, and they respond too! Some even come to my hand!
Music for me, just like the arts, is the best the universe in this earth can show us ... there are no other words for it, and I find it weird when folks think I'm intentionally pointing at someone or something, although I tend to use a lot of Goon humor on it ... which some folks don't like, I found ... they are not "imaginalists" like you needed to be for old radio and music with a foreign language at the front.
Which, might be the real issue ... because for me even Japanese or Chinese comes alive in my head. It doesn't even matter what it says ... I learned that quickly with Sadistic Mika Band ... it was wonderful!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 12:24
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 15:05
BrufordFreak wrote:
I think Bing Crosby fans are the most close-minded of all music fans with elevator music playlist designers a close second.
But then, who are the most open-minded of music listeners? Avant-RIO?
I'm not a fan of Bing Crosby, but count me in as a close-minded elevator music playlist designer, as I can count on one hand the number of Avant-RIO artists I actually like.
Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 15:51
Prog Fans are vote as #1 and I know why!!!!! .
For many years I was a very closed minded fan, even though I came from being a new wave and hard rock fan in the 80's, however I got into prog at age 13-14 by my early 20's, I did not listen to anything but prog or jazz ( love ECM and traditional Jazz). I was extremely hatefully for everything else!. them I got into Dream Theater, Symphony X, Meshuggah, Fate Warning due to the progressive rock reference them I started listening to Death, Thrash and Symphony Metal bands. I still can't get into Black Metal unless it is a mix of Doom and Symphony Black Metal. I can't listen to the singers. Again in the late 90's early 2000 I started getting into Post punk and alternative bands like the Smiths, The cure, The church.
I don't know I just feel that it has helped to appreciate and respect all time of rock and music in general. Prog is still my favorite however, but I like to give a chance to music that is simpler and easy listening and has nothing to do with prog.
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 16:03
^ On the contrary, Prog fans are among the most open mined fans. They have to be or they wouldn't appreciate prog. Jazz, 20th Century classical, folk, blues. It's quite clear.
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
Posted By: DarksideofAbel
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 16:08
Atavachron wrote:
^ On the contrary, Prog fans are among the most open mined fans. They have to be or they wouldn't appreciate prog. Jazz, 20th Century classical, folk, blues. It's quite clear.
disagree! most prog fans specially old fans of prog bands from 1969 to 1980. THEY ARE VERY OBNOXIOUS.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 16:11
BrufordFreak wrote:
I think Bing Crosby fans are the most close-minded of all music fans with elevator music playlist designers a close second.
But then, who are the most open-minded of music listeners? Avant-RIO?
I'm not sure why you would single out Bing Crosby. If anything I would say maybe Elvis Presely. Then again maybe you aren't being 100 % serious.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 16:14
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 16:19
DarksideofAbel wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ On the contrary, Prog fans are among the most open mined fans. They have to be or they wouldn't appreciate prog. Jazz, 20th Century classical, folk, blues. It's quite clear.
disagree! most prog fans specially old fans of prog bands from 1969 to 1980. THE ARE VERY OBNOXIOUS.
Obnoxious to be sure... and unusually musically open-minded & sophisticated.
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 16:22
I'm the most close minded music listener of all. I don't listen to anything I don't want to.
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 21 2024 at 01:48
1) K-pop fans 2) Taylor Swift fans
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 10:52
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
My thoughts always were that when someone did not enjoy something and were (what we call) close minded about it, the issue would then be that such a person might not exactly be a music lover .... if you are a music lover, you might not exactly prefer this or that, but you will always appreciate the musicianship and the care it takes in putting it together, specially when it takes several folks.
But, there are other reasons which are hard to include/not-include here, and the most common one is the singing in a different language. Many folks don't like ANGE because of the very romantic (classical romantic and very french) style of singing, not to mention its acting component, which has a massive history in French music. A lot can be said for the Italian bands as well ... I still prefer PFM's original albums, Banco's original albums, and even Le Orme's original Felona e Serona ... there is a feeling of honesty and emotion that does not translate as well with different words in different languages. To me, this is like listening to Verdi, Puccini and many other operas ... they teach you how to feel and understand a lot of the music behind it.
For me, these are not a problem due to the fact that I was born into the Latin Bloc of languages, and there are many things in the grammar in them that are similar making the understanding of it very different from a translation. Translation, based on what has happened on my father's work is ... I want to say CRAP, because sometimes folks like to invent a socio/political idea that is not exactly there in the original, and if it is, it is subtle and not a part of the "forefront" of the words, or ideas. My dad did not live "in fear" if his politics were open and heard, but there had been enough problems and political deaths in the family to consider being quiet and not spend the time teasing, or creating situations that could easily be understood and taken badly ... that would, likely, involve family members being taken away! Thus at times his work comes off as completely personal, and not socio/political at all. Again, however, some translations have gone too far ... including one that is boring ... that suggests that because the character has a red sh*t on that it means ___ such and such ... and c'mon, it destroys the story in my book. It didn't need that idea or comment.
And this is the hard part of the romance languages (the Latin bloc), since there are verb tenses that have an expression that does not translate well into English at all and I get caught in these a lot ... "stop making assumptions" ... it's not an assumption as much as it would be a what if, a verb tense that doesn't exist in English and is often translated badly, and some folks here, always take it personally, because I'm not sure they are reading the whole paragraph, or sentence, but that might be up to discussion ... i real life, I do not spend any of my time insulting anyone and in fact, I'm a bit on the crazy side ... I talk to all the little animals in my yard, feed them, and they respond too! Some even come to my hand!
Music for me, just like the arts, is the best the universe in this earth can show us ... there are no other words for it, and I find it weird when folks think I'm intentionally pointing at someone or something, although I tend to use a lot of Goon humor on it ... which some folks don't like, I found ... they are not "imaginalists" like you needed to be for old radio and music with a foreign language at the front.
Which, might be the real issue ... because for me even Japanese or Chinese comes alive in my head. It doesn't even matter what it says ... I learned that quickly with Sadistic Mika Band ... it was wonderful!
The first paragraph is so spot on I will applaud you
The stuff about foreign language. Well I can only speak for myself but I would also rather bands sung in their own language. I was not always aware of this even being a thing though. I had no mentor to show me the way and to explain to me that PFM's original albums are so wonderful. I know this now. My first inkling of the potential and power of using one's native tongue was Anglagard's Hybris album. I still much prefer this to the other 2 albums they released which I think were mainly intrumental. I now listen to quite a lot of prog with non English singing. Bring it on!
Posted By: Rottenprogger
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 18:01
Years and years ago I was part of a metal board and let's just say they were quite some of the most close minded (and regressive) people I've ever come across....and this was before Twitter was a thing!
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 22:34
Goths and Metalheads generally are more community orientated. I remember going to Whitby way back (the Goths spiritual home due to Bram Stokers Dracula) and they are completely harmless and just a little weird. The most famous Goth I can think of is Siouxsie Sioux but I never considered Siouxsie and the Banshees a 'Goth band'. They were very much part of the British punk scene of the late seventies but tracks such as Israel and Peek A Boo showed quite an arty approach as well. They were a sophisticated band with a great drummer in Budgie. Metal heads have loads of festivals and like to congregate. Prog fans are generally more nerdy and introverted and happy to be alone. I also see prog fans as more 'independent' minded and self reliant. They are like cats in that respect maybe!
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 22:49
I think the worst type of the "close-minded proggers" imo is those who diminish all prog albums that were released after 1980 and aren't British (or British and Italian).
------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong
Posted By: Rottenprogger
Date Posted: June 24 2024 at 23:48
Or they don't sound *exactly* like their old material and any deviation from that is seen as musical blasphemy.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 21:28
Personally I don't want to listen to 'minimalism' but is that close minded then. I enjoy the pomposity and grandiosity of prog and don't want it dialled down. The problem is that prog bands don't always play prog. We often have a hard time of identifying what is prog and what isn't though.
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 27 2024 at 22:56
^And sometimes, they throw some minimalism in there!
Posted By: SleepingFinger
Date Posted: June 29 2024 at 10:49
Not on the list, but from my experience? Pop fans have to be number one in this regard. I know there are always exceptions, but again, just from my own experience.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 29 2024 at 11:28
There are so many kinds of pop fans, I believe. Maybe the indie pop, art pop, alt. pop (and chamber pop and avant pop crowds)... Like the hipsters with their disparaging ironic comments about many acts. I generally might think the Indie music crowd. This is from over a decade ago...