"Marmite Records"
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Topic: "Marmite Records"
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Subject: "Marmite Records"
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 12:48
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There I was, minding my own business and reading one of those "let's-reassess-a-forgotten-nutty-1980s-album" articles about Thomas Dolby's Aliens Ate My Buick (1988), when I came across the term MARMITE RECORDS. Unfamiliar with the term, I did some research and discovered two working definitions: 1) an album that tests even a recording artist's die-hard fans, and 2) a "love-it-or-hate-it" album. Apparently the term comes from a British sandwich spread that everyone either loves or hates. Thinking of albums discussed on this site, I immediately thought of: 1) Yes - Tales of Topographic Oceans 2) King Crimson - Lizard 3) Metallica - St. Anger So what both-loved-and-hated "marmite records" can you think of?
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 17 2024 at 13:02
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YES - Heaven and Earth - I love it but almost everyone else appears to hate it. And on the flipside of the coin.... Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts - I hate it but almost everyone else appears to love it.  As for King Crimson's Lizard, I have a new appreciation for that album, ever since discovering that Jon Anderson features on Prince Rupert Awakes.  |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 02:10
I have always liked ELP's 'Love Beach'. 
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Posted By: ingridguerci94
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 03:55
My first encounter with King Crimson was in 1970. I wore out my older brother's LP, captivated by the cover art and lyrics. Even though I wasn't getting high at the time, I still felt a sense of euphoria. Peter Sinfield truly is a master lyricist, especially during that golden era. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 05:35
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Hi, Strange for me. I've never looked at any of the arts as love or hate. It is someone's expression, and deserves respect, and my opinion is incidental and not important. In this day and age, the Internet has added a way for fans to vent their likes and dislikes, and while I think there is a bit of merit in there, I do think that is not, and should NOT be a part of the work of art at all ... there is always going to be some folks that don't like X, or Y, or Z ... but I'm not sure that venting your frustration is going to define the art .. .EVER ... and in the end, the art is not about you and your reflections ... it's about its creator and their inspiration, thus my reactions are secondary ... Sometimes it's kinda silly ... all we're doing is saying that Moby Dick and Crime and Punishment is at least 50% filler, and not worth reading! .... sure ... that's why you are remembered and the writer is in the pantheons of the Gods! Same for these artists. And the truth is that the fans are NOT the art!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 09:11
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Trout Mask Replica is probably the most well-known and polarizing album that could be described as such. I think I might be one of the few people who thinks it's just okay... ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 10:57
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Comus' First Utterance and Tangerine Dream's Zeit are two polarizing albums that have elicited strong reactions, both negative and positive. I'm on the positive side even if I have some pessimistic tendencies. :) And I love Marmite (a yeast extract) on buttered toast. It's good for my tummy (have IBS) and I have it very regularly. I trust that too much Marmite much won't result in a yeast infection. I know someone from PA who'd rather be hit with a Yeast, Cheese, and Jam Infection (a little Marmalade is good for the soul -- yum) than listen to the likes of First Utterance, Zeit and Trout Mask Replica. |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 11:07
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Thanks to everybody who has participated so far, and for introducing the word "polarizing": that sums everything up very succinctly! I somehow knew that ELP's post-Brain Salad Surgery albums would be brought up. And since someone brought up Tangerine Dream, I thought of another experimental electronic album that deserves a mention: Vangelis's Beaubourg!
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 11:13
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Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 14:29
I can handle Zeit personally, it's Electronic Meditation I struggle to warm to... I also have IBS Greg; it used to be far worse in my late 20's early 30's, but now in my mid 50's, it has calmed down quite a bit, thank goodness... I wish you all the best with that. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 14:35
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Kyrie Eleison - The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise is a Marmite type record IMO. Whether you love it or hate it depends on whether you can tolerate the bootleg level production and Michael Schuberth's awkward English pronunciation or not. For what it's worth, I've seen it referred to as the "best Genesis clone" just as much as the "worst Genesis clone". ------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 14:37
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Going back to the early days of this forum, a band who really divided opinion were The Mars Volta... I personally couldn't cope with it, but there were a lot of fans on here. I guess if you can find bands/ albums which have a lot of 1 star and 5 star ratings, then its a 'Marmite' candidate... incidentally, I love marmite, but never for breakfast! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 18 2024 at 18:31
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I am strangely drawn to Genesis s/t(shapes) record, I mean I love that album. I got nothing, other than it's sentimental for sure, it also takes me to a time in my life long forgotten until I push play and start listening to it. It's magic really. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 09:46
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 19 2024 at 10:27
You don't even like "Man-Erg"? While I have come across more than you who does not like Pawn Herats, what you wrote reminded of this with Tom Baker as Captain Rum from Blackadder. Lord Blackadder: I was under the impression that it's common maritime practice for a ship to have a crew? Captain Redbeard Rum: Opinion is divided on the subject. All the other Captains say it is, I say it isn't. ---------------------------------------------------
"That's All" is the first Genesis track I recall knowing as Genesis and I immediately liked it (I was very into music videos at the time). It's one of the songs that stills plays in my head with such clarity when I think of it. It was not until after I heard The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway at the closing party for play in the 90s that I really liked Genesis (although I thought it was a Peter Gabriel released album at the time). Anyway, it's quite thin and yawn, but nice song. Listened again, yep, still sounds just the same as in my head. It takes me back to watching music videos at a friend's house on Friday nights. I've never paid much attention to the Shapes album. -------------------------------------------------- For a couple of others that I have seen very polarised reactions: Magma's MDK and Soft Machine's Third. I would expect it more of MDK, and that's not a fave Magma studio album of mine (the debut is awesome, imo, and I prefer live versions of MDK). -------------------------------------------------- Thanks Jared on the IBS comments. It has become more manageable generally. And I too would not want Marmite for breakfast. Magma slopped over rock-hard stone milled toast for breakfast strangely sounds rather more appealing to me. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 21:40
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not mentioned so far: Beatles - White Album Tull - Warchild (where did the prog go) Genesis - ATTWT (no Hackett/Gabriel no Genesis apparently)ELP - Works Volume One (their 'White album') King Crimson - Discipline (I don't like this version of KC with Belew personally) Camel - Nude (very 'commercial' but has its fans) Yes - Drama (more because of line up changes but has aged well imo) Dream Theater - The Astonishing (I like it!) |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 20 2024 at 23:54
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 21 2024 at 01:39
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Do you consider the https://arnaudbukwald.bandcamp.com/music" rel="nofollow - "la marmite cosmique" albums by Arnaud Bukwald "Marmite Records"? ------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong |