25 bands I like. Choose a least/less liked by you
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Topic: 25 bands I like. Choose a least/less liked by you
Posted By: Logan
Subject: 25 bands I like. Choose a least/less liked by you
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 10:30
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These are 25 bands I am into. It was hard narrowing this down, but I thought this quite an interesting list per my tastes. The idea is to vote for one, just one of these bands, that you have listened to music by that did not do it for you or did it for you the least from what you know. Preferably you will have listened to at least one full album by the act, or various music across various albums by the act, but that need not be the case. It is normal that some albums or tracks might do it more for you than others by these bands, but I don't wish it to be judged based just on the material you least like by an act (when you might already really like other material by the act), but preferably vote for an act that just did not appeal at all, or much, or least, across your listening of said band. Or approach it as best you can in regards to what you would think suits this poll. If voting for one that seemed not to your tastes, please mention the listened to by you material if you recall. I do hope for discussion element to polls I create, and like specificity as much as possible. If you don't want to play as requested and instead came here to complain about the poll, please just stay away. And maybe make your own awesome poll. I say this because I received such complaints before years ago for a topic with a somewhat similar theme. And if one is to say, "None of them", or some such sentiment, I would ask to be much more specific, explain your position, and go into details about what you have heard of these. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 10:42
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I pretty much love most of these. I don't know Residents well enough to vote for them so of the rest I'll pick King Gizzard. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 11:12
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Voted Magma - however much I've tried, I just can't get into them. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 11:13
| Our tastes are very similar. I know all of these bands except one (Current 93; I may have heard one or two tracks in polls of you with playlist but don't remember) and I love almost all of them. Still it's kind of an easy choice as Comus sticks out as the band that is often recommended by people with whose taste I can relate, still up to now my attempts to get into them have failed. Not that enthusiastic on Kayo Dot either. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 11:16
I like the debut the most by Magma, a grand double-album debut from 1970, but I could see it not being easy for many others (especially if they aren't into much jazz-rock). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Floydoid wrote:Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 11:16
| Mr. Bungle |
Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 11:19
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I'll go with the biggest band on this list, Radiohead. Tried, but Thom Yorke just ruins it for me. Could have gone with Magma too. I like VDGG. Own a few of their records. King Grizzard, Black Midi and Soft Machine have a fair bit of stuff I like, that pushes me into I like them as a band. Most of these bands fall into the indifference category for me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 11:25
Thanks for all the replies thus far.
I did not like Mr. Bungle until fairly recently. California is my preferred album. It was this song that won we over (still don't like all Bungle).  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 11:57
| I keep trying to get into Magma, but they just aren't taking for me... |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 12:09
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Most liked: Tangerine Dream Least liked: Current 93 with Swans a close second. although I don't know all the bands in the poll.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 12:44
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I'd be easier to choose which ones I do like! So, I've decided to put the 👍 emoji next to the bands I like and the 🤮 emoji next to the ones I can't stand. There we go. Amon Düül II Area 🤮 Art Zoyd Black Country, New Road black midi 👍 Can 🤮 Cardiacs Comus Current 93 Dead Can Dance Faust 🤮 Godspeed You! Black Emperor 👍 Henry Cow Kayo Dot King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard Magma 🤮 Mr. Bungle Radiohead 👍 The Residents Soft Machine 👍 Squid 👍 Swans Tangerine Dream 🤮 Univers Zero 🤮 Van der Graaf Generator 👍 ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 13:52
Actually listened to them? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 13:55
After thinking about it, Swans. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:03
^ I can think of some bands that, based on my tastes, would not just warrant a vomit emoji but also a really best not mentioned emoji which involved a substance that we as children we (in my locale) sung about that was floating down the gutter on a piece of bread and butter. Oh, such sweet memories.
Current 93 can be particularly Marmite (even for me). But who does not love Hitler as Kalki or Swastikas for Noddy? Seriously, I would not expect you to like that track and I chose Current 93 from a much longer list of my faves due to the negative reactions the band elicits from many. As for Swans, said this before, but your expressed dislike of the band is what really got me into them some years back as I wanted to find music that you might like from the band which got me exploring the band and finding lots of music I liked. I think I recall recommending to you The Burning World (1989) and White Light From the Mouth of Infinity (1991) as albums as well as some specific pieces those years ago as I felt the first few albums would not be the ones for you. It;s happened to me a few times that I researched and delved into the music of something to try to convince others of the value of an act and I ended up mostly convincing myself and falling for a band big-time due to the effort. Mind you, I'm not of the should be listened to in chronological order type, or even needs to be full albums, and sometimes I just need to find the right song or moment. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:10
------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:19
| Area (from what I heard, the vocals drove me up the wall, and ruined it for me) |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:32
 Since you used the "ambient" descriptor, I'm going to have to assume what you heard was Zeit. If that's as far as you got, you don't know Tangerine Dream. Give Force Majeure a try. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:39
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Yeah. I listened to Zeit, Rubycon and Stratosfear. I didn't like any of those. EDIT: I tried listening to Le Parc as well. Except in that case, I couldn't finish the first track because of how bland it sounded. ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:42
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I voted for Squid. Not that I really mind them, but to me they mostly just sound like an underwhelming imitation of more talented artists that came before. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:48
Not that I would expect you to like it, I like ambient music, but I think that Ricochet is awesome. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 14:53
| Radiohead; their music has zero appeal for me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 15:17
Radiohead may have zero appeal to you, but I wonder if this cover of one of their most recongised songs might have some appeal? Blanket X Palm Reader - Exit Music (For A Film) (RADIOHEAD COVER) And for those who like some growling in their music: IMPERIAL TRIUMPHANT - Paranoid Android (Radiohead Cover) Sometimes I think not a bad way to judge a band is by the quality of the covers. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 15:23
Well, I love everything created by the Froese, Franke, Baumann lineup, by which those two were done. Again, give Force Majeure a whirl. That was released in 1979 and differs substantively. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 15:37
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I'm unfamiliar with most of those, as not my style. So slash all but Can, Faust, Henry Cow, Magma, Tangerine Dream, and VDGG. Ha ha! |
Posted By: Archisorcerus
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 16:08
It gets better as the song proceeds, yet still not exactly my cup of tea, Greg. 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 16:15
Yeah, it's my cup of tea. I had hoped to find some Symph/Epic/Power Metal bands covering Radiohead, but you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear as the saying goes. Or in that case maybe a sow's ear out of a silk purse. ;) ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 16:44
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Art Zoyd. They just haven't clicked with me yet. In due time, I'm sure. I like to wear commemorative stamps on Saturdays. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 16:51
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This list is very consistent with what I was into about ten years ago at the peak of my "need strange new sounds" era (with a few bands that I hadn't heard of yet back then but have listened to since). I ultimately voted Kayo Dot despite liking them in theory - I've tried a bunch of their albums and they are always interesting in a way that I rarely want to come back to, even though I appreciate it. I was going to give it to Dead Can Dance, either, but even though I think I've checked them out, it turns out the one song I could remember as being 'by them' was actually by Cocteau Twins, instead. So I'm drawing a blank as to what they even sound like. In reflection, I think the actual answer should have been Residents, I've tried a couple of their albums and they are interesting but I don't really remember enjoying them. Interestingly, I listen to very few of these bands these days; I'd say KG+TLW, VDGG, Cardiac, Current93, and Magma are the ones I actually return to the most, while I still think of Can, Swans, Comus, Univers Zero, Radiohead, and Mr Bungle as bands I really like, but rarely make time for anymore. I think the only artist on this list I've never listened to is Squid. Ok, anyways, I'm checking out Dead Can Dance, turns out I had their album ''Dionysus" in my digital music library and I like it more than Residents and Kayo Dot. Given your list, I wonder - have you ever listened to Cheer-Accident?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 17:14
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Cardiacs but based only on one album and a few listens. I don't think I can put the time and money into getting to grips with them tbh. King Gizzard - there are a few albums (like the most recent) that I dislike but I don't hate their funkier stuff. Quite a cool band. Can - I only have Tago Mago and probably never going to be a big fan but prepared to try a bit. Nothing else stands out.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 17:29
Yep. Force Majeure is one of the 2 albums they did around that time with a real drummer (Klaus Krieger) and is the most mainstream prog styled album they did but it's quite bombastic for TD (and I love it for that reason) . There is also the more Krautrock influenced Cyclone (ft Krieger and singer / mult-instrumentalist Steve Jolliffe that came a year earlier. That is probably their least 'bland' sounding album but seems to divide opinion. I also love the Ricochet album a lot but that does drift quite a bit into the ambient side of things. (then there is also Edgar's wonderful solo album Epsilon In Malaysian Pale but that is full on ambient) |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 18:00
Various excellent posts; thank you very much.
I think I was needing stranger sounds than a lot of of this about 15 years ago. My tastes now can be really tame by comparison. I listen to a lot of art pop kind of stuff now and was much more into experimental music before. I have linked Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance. I love both bands. I have listened to Cheer-Accident. I really liked the album Fear Draws Misfortune. ------------- Incidentally, I had a list of about 100 and went with various of these not necessarily just because they are amongst my favourite bands, but because I know they can be divisive when it comes to appreciation (even when it comes to some like-minded listeners). Wish I'd kept in Talk Talk and some others for this. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 19:03
| King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 20:09
| I would say Dead Can Dance. No matter how much I tried, I never really got into their music. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 23:23
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Van Der Graaf Generator. Intriguing and objectively quite good (meaning they play well), but I find them unlistenable. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 23:50
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Only 2 bands on the list I know and love... TD & VDGG I'd be quite happy if I never had to listen to any Cardiacs ever again... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 28 2024 at 23:55
Likewise! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 00:09
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There are some bands I have never listened to in this list and some others I have dual feelings about. I pick Black Midi. It is not even bad at all, just not my thing. ------------- 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 01:15
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I couldn't get into Radiohead, but I think I'll give them some more chances. Sometimes it depends on the moment. I have changed my mind about artists a lot of times in the past. Just two days ago I've relistened to two albums that I have always considered "crap": Camel's "The Single Factor" and Yes's "Big Generator". While I haven't changed opinion about the first, I have to say that Big Generator isn't as bad as I remebered. Maybe next year my vote would be different. I'm not much into VdGG, too. But if I happen to listen to them I don't dislike it. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 01:17
Nice: you are vomiting over the bands that I like the most  , in particular Area, TD and Magma------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 08:02
Fear Draws Misfortune is my favourite by them too, with 'Introducing Lemon', 'No Ifs, Ands or Dogs' and 'Sever Root, Tree Dies' also being favourites. They have a huge discography, I have never quite managed to make my way all the way through it.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 08:18
A few bands here are not my thing, but I don't want to point them out, why would it matter?  Maybe I do not understand the purpose of this poll.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 08:58
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 11:01
I'm not planning on profiting from this info, at least not financially. I never made a dime from this site. It goes into my mind palace, and I use it for discussion and trying to connect and get to know people better. I don't profit from "What is your favourite?" topics either. I might turn that back on you to ask why does it matter to you that I tell you why I think it matters? And I would appreciate a response to get to know your thinking behind the question better. No pressure, of course. From a nihilist perspective, of which I sometimes have leaned towards, it doesn't matter at all, nothing really matters. Considering that everything will come to an end, when assuming it does, it all can seem and be totally futile. Everything being pointless. The exercise should or need not matter to you. If It mattered enough to me to ask in someones topic, then I would sooner phrase it as "Why is this inquiry of interest to you?" But I would not do so without trying to play along first, but I like to be sport unless it comes into conflict with other concerns, responsibilities, ethical considerations. It's rather sad and makes me feel hollow and it does all feel pointless in a way because I have been trying to express why I'm interested in having conversations about what we like and don't like, the confluences, divergences, connections and disconnections of our tastes since I started posting here. I like polls to be interactive. I don't care about the poll results, I care about reading the posts, I care about people's thoughts, I care about conversations. I care about reading and sharing details. It can be entertaining, it can be enlightening, it can make me feel closer to individuals, and it can be creative in a way when interacting and it gets me to revisit and think about music I care about. That said, much as I want to get to know how and what others think when it comes to a great many things, part of posting here is trying to understand myself better. I think that one can have positive and affable conversations about what we like, don't like, and like less, and I enjoy exploring such things with individuals. What often has mattered to me is trying to come up with approaches to poll inquiries and ideas for topics that are different from the norm. It's something of a creative exercise even if the results are mediocre (hey, I'm constrained by my less than stellar brain). One might ask, why does it matter when it comes to a poll which asks, "Which is your favourite?" I was hoping to have some friendly and informative back and forth discussion with people about what they least connect with from the list. And maybe, just maybe, which is a reason why I hoped for specifics on what people know from the acts, we might find something that might appeal to them. I like threads and polls that feel like a group effort commonly. And threads are only as good as the sum total of the parts (i.e. the posts). If we don't find anything to be appreciated from the lists, that's okay too, but I like topics that help me feel like I'm getting to know people better and it can help me to build empathy. And I know that I like to evaluate and re-evaluate music, and hope that I can find something that appeals even in bands that I don't generally like. Progressive music listeners often try to keep an open-ear and an open-mind. By the way, why I am at PA generally boils down to my teen years. My group of friends and I would share music with each other, experience it and talk about it.. My rose-tinted memory of those times is magical. While I have wanted to recapture that spirit of discovery and discussion at PA, and I have with many people here, with some, especially of the more cynical variety, there will always be too much of a disconnect for us to fall into that kind of warm and encouraging, sympathetic and encouraging being a key word for what matters to me, circle. If I could find try-to-be positive open-minded warm and tolerant people with various similar music interests locally, I would love to meet. Well, I say that, but, while you would not know if you met me, I have bad social anxiety and a part of me dislikes being in the company of others (I can only take being around people in doses as it exhausts this introvert). That said, despite being introverted and non-sociable, I still care about trying to connect with people from an emotional and musical angle, and I find such inquiries have helped with bonding with some even if those perceptions of bonding are ultimately very superficial and just perceptions. Others just seems to have a very different approach and mindset to mine and I think I will never really find a sense of synchronicity with and we will always have to question the intent of each other instead of accepting and enjoying the ride, so to speak. As for what I'm going to do with this information, store it in my mind. What do people commonly do with the information from polls and discussions? If you think there is some nefarious ulterior motive, you got me all wrong. No one should feel like they have to participate in such polls, and I do think that if one does not appreciate such things or want to play along, it's usually best just to ignore them and leave them to those who do. That said, maybe you were really interested to understand my motivation (it matters to you to ask). It's lot of effort to explain and it might not make sense to another. Vive la difference, I guess, to each his or own interests and sense of what matters to them. Part of the perhaps sad or lame enjoyment for me is coming up with list, and trying to think through an idea and present it in the opening post (a minor intellectual exercise). I hope my ideas are out of the box, different from the norm often. To me that is a creative exercise. but the real joy comes with my interactions with people who also seem to appreciate the exercise. That is gratifying to me. I hope some enjoy this, and if just one person enjoyed the exercise (other than me), and maybe had some pleasant conversation, I'm at least happy with those results. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 12:56
Guys! Everybody is free not to take part. What harm can be done?
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 13:09
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^Didn't mean to destroy your day, Greg. If I'm honest, your polls are kind of similar, with feedback from the usual folks. So we know their tastes by now. But, I couldn't do better so carry on. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 13:37
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^ You didn't destroy my day. It just took a chunk out of my morning to try to explain where I was coming from, and it did confuse me and maybe me feel rather disconsolate waking up to it. I feel we have had a lot of disconnection and misunderstandings and I'm not sure why. I do appreciate sincere explorations of concepts and ideas. I do try to be thorough in response as I appreciate that from others as long as it is cordial. I'm still unclear on the reasoning behind your questions and as I took the time to answer the questions, I had hoped some effort would be reciprocated. I get what you are saying about knowing my tastes by now, and I know I often cover the usual suspects, but that did not seem to be what your or Cristi's concern was about. Anyway, I think that is time to step away from PA as I guess I am just going though the motions by now. I know my material can be samey, and I'm not the only one, but if my approach has stagnated enough, then I need other creative avenues. Hopefully others will have new material to talk about that does not get discussed much and new approaches to making topics (so much has been done again and again, and it is not easy to be original both in material and approach). A forum needs new blood, new ideas, new points of interest, and new passions to continue to prosper. By the way, this list came from a longer list and it is very same-old, same old when it comes to my tastes in PA (most of what I listen to is not in PA). Amon Düül II Anna Sjalv Tredje Area Art Zoyd Black Country, New Road black midi Brave New World Bubu Camberwell Now Can Cardiacs Ciśnienie Coil Comus Cos Current 93 Dead Can Dance Dom Elephant9 Eskaton Family Faust Geinoh Yamashirogumi Gentle Giant Goblin Godspeed You! Black Emperor Gong Guapo Heldon Hellebore Henry Cow Jan Dukes de Grey Kayo Dot Kikagaku Moyo King Crimson King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard Kosmischer Läufer Magma Matching Mole Message Mr. Bungle National Health North Sea Radio Orchestra Pentangle Picchio dal Pozzo Popol Vuh Pram Radiohead The Residents Secret Chiefs 3 Shub-Niggurath Sigur Rós The Smile Soft Machine Spirogyra Squid Swans Talk Talk Tangerine Dream Thinking Plague This Heat Tortoise Univers Zero Van der Graaf Generator ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 13:44
| I don't think you should leave, I found this topic entertaining enough. Aren't many places to talk about artists like in your lists. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 14:08
Do not step away, nobody is saying you have to do that. It's my bad, it's me who did not understand what's going on in this thread.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 14:29
^ Okay then, I probably should have spent more time writing a more descriptive original post to clarify my intent and expectations. I know no one is saying I have to do that, but I think I need to do other creative things. I used to like to write fiction, maybe I could try that again. Or maybe I could work more and not just count myself lucky that my engineer wife has a good six figure income, and a good figure to boot. I've been way luckier and well taken care of than I deserve.
I appreciate it. And I guess that is out of the ordinary enough that it led to some questioning of intent (I mention because Will mentioned the same old aspect). I do wish I could be more "understood" when it comes to intent often. I could be more articulate, but often it does not occur to me that I would need to be. There should be room for lots of variety and approaches here and I really would like to see more people coming up with names that has not been covered much before and with new approaches to making polls and topics. I do think some who have taken issue with my topics might be be fine with the 1000th "Yes vs. Genesis, which do you prefer?" kind of poll. Sometimes I make topics because there is a such a lull in the forum when it comes to new topics and I hope to help liven the place up a bit. Even with those who don't appreciate my topics, question them or stay away from them, I hope I sometimes post something in others topics that is appreciated. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 14:43
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^Your posts are always appreciated, except when you called "Romantic Warrior" d*gsh*t.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 15:01
Well, I was just upset because I had just stepped in it. Was not the first time I had to clean the Romantic Warrior from the soles of my shoes. I don't recall being that harsh. It does ring a bell, a bell that sounds like a reverberating DUNG!!! (What's brown and sounds like a bell? DUNGGGG!!!) I have mentioned not liking that album -- not that I have listened to it for many years. I much preferred Hymn to the Seventh Galaxy. Now that is a darned fine album. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 29 2024 at 17:36
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There are several on this list that I have never been able to connect with, much as I've tried: Can Cardiacs Faust Godspeed You! Black Emperor Black Country, New Road ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 00:12
------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 00:20
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Black Country, New Road - I thought they would eventually click with me, but relistenings only had me going from lukewarm to finding them insufferable. Not really for the musical content, but the vocals and lyrics gets in the way of my enjoyment. I'm actually annoyed. Maybe my experience of listening to them is similar to the music of Radiohead for those who react negatively to Thom Yorke's voice? Anyway, I went optimistically into checking out BC,NR's live album as I knew the guy on vocals had quit the band, but it somehow made me feel the same way. Actually I may even have liked it less. Outside of The Cardiacs, a band I suppose I just don't get, and Current93, a band I don't really know that much about - I love the rest of the bands here. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 04:50
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Greg, by all means don't leave. I have always found your posts engaging and entertaining, plus a way for me to discover more music. There are quite a few bands you and I both like. I don't always contribute to your posts mostly because of time commitments that don't allow me enough time to interact at this conversational level. My visits to the forum tend to be often, but usually brief. Maybe in five or so years after I retire, I can spend more time conversing on a larger scale, provided this site is still here.
Something inside me told me I should respond to the above paragraph because we're probably very close on the personality type scale. I, too, have social anxiety. I don't like crowds. I'm only comfortable in small groups where I don't have to interact a lot. Being around people for a long time exhausts me. I always looked forward to the end of the work day where I could be alone and re-center myself. When I have to be in a large group, I like to blend in the background and find escape routes so that I can discretely disappear from the group when it seemed appropriate to do so. I can play along and look outgoing when I need to, but I find the exercise tiring. My group of friends has always been small, but close-knit, and I tended to hang out with more "geeky" people that were intellectually interesting and also introverts. People wouldn't know this when they met me, but I'm awkwardly shy. I have gotten better at not showing it. I also don't "read" people well and don't pick up on subtle signals or whatever you want to call them. Like you, I'm fortunate to have a wonderful wife and one that understands my introversion. She carries some of my traits in that both of us always look for ways at finding early exits from larger social gatherings. We're together all the time. I feel strongly that we were meant to be together and I consider myself extremely lucky to have her in my life. Prior to our fortunate meeting, I seemed to keep attracting stalkers. Well, maybe not legally stalkers, but obsessive "secret admirer" types. Three different times: one in junior high, one in college, and one after college. The latter one lasted for around 10 years. Being the kind of introvert I am, these were especially difficult for me to deal with. I still don't understand how I attracted these people to me. I believe my wife scared away the last one, even though we were just friends at the time. I don't have any data to support this, but anecdotal evidence seems to suggest (at least to me) that many people that like the music we all share in common here have a tendency of leaning towards being introverts. Some more than others. I'm not saying that extroverts don't also like prog, just that the tendency seems to lean more to the introvert part of the scale. I could be wrong. Perceptions vary. Just know that you're not alone. I'm sure there are others here than can relate to this. Also, sorry for the digression away from the main topic. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 06:35
I made the mistake of not reading through the intro properly and voted for Tangerine Dream (most liked) instead of Current 93 (least liked). 
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 06:58
| Current 93 is the least known by me. I can at least "hear" a track by the all the other artists in my head. I am really not familiar enough with the Residents to consider them. A couple I haven't listened to in a quite while. I will follow up later. I need to think about it. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 07:09
I remember being pulled up on here once for calling them 'The' Cardiacs... I'm pleased someone else has too.. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 09:13
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Squid is the only band from the list I've never heard music from (I think). I appreciate a good deal from the others and there is quite a bunch of bands on this list that I like quite a lot. But other than their first two albums, Tangerine Dream generally bore the hell out of me, so they get my vote (and yes, I listened to most of their 70s and 80s works, but I'm not even trying anymore...). ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 09:34
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Greg, it is entirely your prerogative to step away from the forums if they are getting too stressful for you but this community would certainly not be the same without your enthusiasm and curiosity and just your general good guy energy. I always enjoy reading your opinions and voting in your threads even if my new job hasn't left me with as much time to actively engage with them as in the past. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 11:08
------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 11:20
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^^ Thanks Mira. It's not too stressful for me, but I have felt that my creative juices are running on the low side and sometimes my involvement can be too routine and conventional coming from me (and maybe there is not enough variety to the music that I highlight here and commonly discuss). I commonly like the imaginative, the out of the ordinary, and inspired lunacy. And a big dose of enthusiasm and fun. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 11:33
^ Don't Go (and who cares if you don't like Romantic Warrior)  |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 11:41
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^ And then there's King Crimson (aka KC) and the Sunshine Band's "Please Don't Go". But I'm more of a The Go Go's Guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuBJ5H9m3Sc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuBJ5H9m3Sc ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 11:48
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^ I'd completely forgotten about KC & the Sunshine Band's "Please Don't Go", which is surprising considering I much prefer KC & the Sunshine Band over KC & the Robert Fripp Band.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 17:44
| A lot of these bands are less liked by me, but Magma is my choice |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 30 2024 at 18:49
Wow, thank you so much for sharing, and sorry not having responded sooner. A post like this is very worthy of recognition. That is so eerily similar to me, including the attracting stalkers. I can seem outgoing in a crowd and comfortable in front of an audience. Sometimes when the exhaustion really hits me has been once I'm finally alone, I can breathe, and stop performing / being on / entertaining and listening. My family never really seemed to understand this. And I do register on the autism spectrum when taking tests, although I never have been formally diagnosed with it (one of my children has been). I wish I could read people better and pick up better on signals, and I may overcompensate for that.... Like I'm overanalysing, or being too detail oriented when trying to understand. And I have OCD, which can be lovely actually for passion. I can get really obsessed with an album, a song, a film, at TV show, a novel, and unfortunately some might say, something like a poll series (I loved doing those song playlist ones before because I could fully indulge my obsession with music) Having been a bartender and a teacher did help me in front of people (and I knock the crowd dead when delivering eulogies). It's nice to have some nerdy friends to hang out with, but I got to the point of avoiding old friends, which is unfortunate. Very lucky with the wife who also has introvert qualities. She used to have a huge number of friends, but she is happier in smaller groups and just with me and the kids. I really appreciate yours, and others, words. Sharing a piece of yourself like you have I find can be hard depending on the reaction. Like if you bare your soul and it meets with indifference and deflection. Your words are very meaningful to me. One thing for me that has been stressful (moderating and finding that balance between expectations can be very stressful and confusing to me) is feeling like I'm not being understood, that people can be hostile when I mean well (misinterpretation). Despite what I said to Mira, there is stress being here, and stress comes to me with interacting with crowds and not connecting as I would wish too. I desire acceptance, but I can be a jerk at times (people are complex and I exhibit different traits at different times, and I have been called a punk ass bitch by someone here before -lol). I at least hope that none here continue to bear any grudges against me. Sometimes it's just my awkward humour and not mean like people assume (I'm used to kidding around with friends and family) and sometimes I have had bad days, or just been busy, and being a little less thoughtful than people. As we find ourselves in forum spaces, a lot of are on the introverted side, maybe socially awkward, and it's comforting to realise that many of those struggles I deal with (like having dealt with anxiety and depression) are shared by others. It gets worse for me when I have multiple sleepless nights. While being stand-offish sometimes, I do have deep desire to understand and connect with people more. and a little warmth goes a long way with me. By the way, I have had too much time on my hands one might say, so my forum participation can seem obsessive. My work from home and lack of getting out did give me a lot more space. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: May 31 2024 at 13:21
I can understand the exhaustion hitting you once being alone. I sometimes needed a day just for myself. This was usually on Sundays when I was single. I used to immerse myself in headphones for hours on that day. That changed after I got married, because I like being with my wife. Just the two of us, and the dog. I never took any tests to see if I was on any other kinds of scales. I'm pretty sure I took the Briggs-Myers thing a long, long time ago, but I think I already knew the result before I got it. I can focus on one thing for a long time, so I might have some form of OCD, but my mind does wander around a bit. So, not really sure about that one. I know when I was younger, being an introvert always gave me the perception that something was wrong with me. Not sure if this was societal pressures or the misinformed opinions of psychologists or something else. It just seemed like some sort of stereotype. In more recent years, it's been nice to see more people recognize things like neurodiversity. That although we all have different personality types, each of them has their advantages and disadvantages. Thus, working as a team we can use those different advantages to benefit the group. Some are great at public speaking, some would rather work behind the scenes (like me!). I have had to give presentations in the past, mostly because I was the only person that was an expert in the topic. Somehow I can pull these off and receive compliments for how well the presentation went. Inside, I hated doing these things. I will admit that these become easier the more you do them but I'm always exhausted after doing them, more than if I ran for five miles. I'm pretty good at writing up documentation and would prefer to present things in that way, knowing that it's usually a dry read for some. I agree that it is kind of hard sharing this stuff. It seems over the last couple decades more and more people are opening up about their emotions, thoughts, feelings, etc. There was a lot of pressure decades ago to fit into certain norms and I'm glad those are breaking down. People are starting to open their eyes to realize humans are complicated and diverse. No doubt, it's still met with resistance. I feel more comfortable sharing this now that I'm older and people are more accepting of differences. As for family, my immediate family seems to be very understanding and that's because I believe both of my parents are introverts, though my Dad has been much more outgoing since he retired. My brother appears to be one too. Having said that, we always enjoyed each others company. After doing some genealogical research on my family, I found some earlier generations had some really large families. Every time I look at that (and we're talking about 8-12 children in a family) I just can't imagine functioning well in such a group. I guess it's just something you have to get used to. I can understand that desire to connect with people more. Even though we like being by ourselves, we still get lonely. Since I've been married, that desire doesn't happen as much for me like it did when I was single. I had a lot of failures trying to reach out to people back then, which meant my confidence was pretty low. I had confidence in pretty much everything else, except social interactions. I did better in groups. Maybe it was the comfort of not being singled out in groups? I still have some regrets about some of those failures. Not sure why. I'm my own worst critic. I also work from home, too. A rare silver lining from the pandemic. I actually thrive in this kind of environment. Even so, it doesn't give me as much time as I thought I'd have. I certainly don't miss the commute. This has been an enjoyable conversation and I really appreciate you sharing this and taking the time to respond. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 31 2024 at 23:30
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A recent video by drummer Andy Edwards on yt suggested that all prog fans are 'on the spectrum'. It was obviously a tongue in cheek comment but there may be a small grain of truth in it.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 01 2024 at 05:31
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^ Some truth. The spectrum can be so huge that I rather felt like all (well, not all really) people are on the spectrum at times (or at least spectrum related), and one might argue that all music (well not all) can fall into the prog related spectrum. Nothing really special about falling into the spectrum at all, so such people should stop with their "non-ableist" gloating and privilege.  Kidding of course, but a lot of people regardless of how they are diagnosed, what conditions they perceive, and how they see themselves want to be treated as somehow special and deserving of special treatment. And everybody wants to rule the world I have heard too.------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: June 01 2024 at 05:55
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Where's the 'All of the above choice? ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 01 2024 at 05:59
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As usual, I care more about the commentary and specifics than just the voting. When I wrote in the OP: "And if one is to say, "None of them", or some such sentiment, I would ask to be much more specific, explain your position, and go into details about what you have heard of these." I should have specified that goes for all of them too. Although I guess I thought that it would so rare that anyone would know all of these enough to go that way that it was not needed. I suggest you just go for one that you feel that have heard that most music by that still did not do it for you at all and then share your thoughts on the music. Or anything. I appreciate specific impressions best rather than generalities. The poll I only treat as an accessory to discussion and commentary and a way to focus it. Does one album from any of these that you listened to in full strike you as particularly excruciating, JD? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 01 2024 at 06:22
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Top 5 likes:- 1. Tangerine Dream 2. Dead Can Dance 3. Amon Duul II 4. Soft Machine 5. Van Der Graaf Generator Bottom 5 dislikes:- 1. Current 93 2. Swans 3. The Residents 4. Cardiacs 5. Henry Cow
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Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: June 01 2024 at 10:06
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I love nearly all of these bands, and the ones I don't know I obviously should explore. The only one that leaves me flat is Magma-I just don't find them interesting.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 01 2024 at 10:15
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Many of these bands are near the bottom of my PA likes list. My vote was for Godspeed. When I first joined PA, they were "all the rage" so I decided to check them out. Found them to be about as boring of a band as I have ever heard. One of my biggest PA disappointments. I'd say there are maybe 4 or 5 bands that I like in this list and a number of others to which I am lukewarm. ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 01 2024 at 17:23
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Not that I would expect it to change minds (especially as I went for more polarising of fairly well know bands I like ones), and much of this have covered elsewhere, but these are various tracks I like and often the ones that really got me into the bands (reflect on my tastes). I went with two tracks per band from two albums per band. By the way, I really do appreciate the thoughtful and sharing commentary/comments from people, thanks. :) This is an excellent community, and I love how we can come together, discuss together, and support each other despite differences in interests and tastes.  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 10:05
Out of curiosity, have you listened to the debut? While I love lots of Magma, to me it peaked with its double-album debut. I find that album very interesting and quite eclectic with its jazz, folk, rock and classical qualities. It still sounds fresh, vibrant and exciting to these ears at least. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 10:44
I'm really usin' that as a jumpin'-off point for some soggy bloggy thinkin' and relatin'.... Good to see people, unlike JD, who know and like music from this list even if they know and dislike plenty from the list. I appreciate that response. I could be surprised that Swans still is so high on your disliked as you have mentioned liking music by Swans, but then as an overall impression of what you have stated you listened to from the early albums it makes perfect sense. You said you liked The Burning World -- to me "God Damn the Sun" off that album is awesome, but I would think the cover of "Can't Find My Way Home" would be more your thing. And you liked some music I suggested to you from White Light From the Mouth of Infinity. I think you'd like some music off Love of Life. And from the modern era I would think you would like The Warrior (think I brought that up with you before). I had wondered if those first few albums, which I don't listen to, and your chronological order approach tainted your opinion overmuch. I might hate 90 percent of band's output but still mention a band a s favourite for one release, or even for some songs. I do wonder with people like JD who may hate everything how much they listened to and how considered the response is, or if it's just a knee-jerk negative reaction to a list that is looking for least favourites. Of course I'm happy to see people expressing sincere opinions, and there is no accounting for tastes some say (I disagree, but that's another topic) Like I said, it's funny that I like Swans so much now because I put so much time listening to the band and getting to know the band better trying to find stuff you might like before. That research can be part of the fun in trying to recommend music, but it usually goes down better when those recommendations are not unsolicited, of course. I can't help myself sometimes.  There always is so much music up one's proverbial alley (sounds kind of rude I know) to discover, and only so much time, that really trying to find one might bve able to appreciate from artists that have not done it for you so far is not the most efficient use of time when trying to discover good-for-you music. Mind you, for me its more efficient to try to find the albums, or even just tracks, i might like from bands/artist rather than just starting at the beginning and working my way through. Charts, reviews, album descriptions at RYM, and posts have been helpful to me. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 11:00
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^ I've only ever given a 1-star rating to around a dozen albums in total over the years and three of those albums were all by the Swans, which goes some way towards explaining why they're at #2 on my "most disliked" list.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 11:06
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^ I understood that, but those were for the first three albums, right? And that's a problem with starting in the wrong place per ones tastes. Artists can be diverse and have different periods. The chronological thing worked for me with some bands/artists, but not with others. I would rather start with the album, or even track, that my research indicated that I might like best (due to descriptions of music). I like to use RYM for the album descriptions and ratings often to decide where to look. If one were just to listen to the first Genesis album, or go in opposite order starting with the last, I don;t think it would give a good overall impression. I quite like the debut, not that it matters (at least The Serpent is great, imo). And you must remember our our group discussion over Therion where you became dismissive over the early albums and we recommended Theli and Vovin as the more relevant ones (that you might enjoy and fit the topic). Sometimes one is too quick to dismiss bands altogether based on too limited listening. That said, of course one needn't continue with band that doesn't impress you quickly or easily. So much listening to do, so little time. But I think one should be careful and precise when dissing or dismissing bands in the forum if one is not that knowledgeable bout the general discography (or the styles of music).------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 11:20
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^ I have a strong feeling there are other bands on your list that I'd dislike even more than the Swans - such as Art Zoyd, Mr. Bungle & Univers Zero for instance - but I'm not familiar enough with their albums to vote for them.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 11:35
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^ Do you mean dislike more than the first few albums of Swans, or dislike more than, say, The Burning World? And yes, I don't think you would possibly find as much music to appreciate from those as with Swans. Mr. Bungle is hit and miss with me. I like the album California, and love the track "Pink Cigarette" but I had not liked the first two albums (now I find music to enjoy off all three albums, but it's only quite recently that I finally got into Bungle when re-listening to California). For me it can be sometimes just about finding the right song or musical moment that opens an artist up, and that may lead to me being able to appreciate more music avenues. We do have very different approaches to discovering, listening to and appreciating music. You might well find some Art Zoyd and Univers Zero to appreciate if you researched and asked for recommendations. This early Art Zoyd is very different from the later music (and Art Zoyd has differences depending on the period): ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 11:45
| ^ Yes, it's the first three albums by the Swans that I disliked most of all. Life is too short to listen to a full album by Art Zoyd, Mr. Bungle or Univers Zero, so I can't really compare them. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 12:12
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^ That's why I so often mention and share specific tracks rather than full albums or playlists of full albums. Takes a few minutes to acquaint oneself with something, and maybe expand one's horizons in the process. Speaking of playlists, I definitely caught the make my own playlists bug back in the 80s with cassette to cassette and record to cassette and sometimes radio to cassette compilations and then more recently thanks to Geo's (Mathman) youtube playlist-making for the Interactive Polls. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 12:16
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^ Sadly, I haven't made any YouTube playlists for over two years, ever since YouTube deleted three of my six Prog Britannia channels without warning or explanation.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 12:28
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^ One thing I try to do is just use officially uploaded youtube videos (by the artist or labels) and I generally will only do one track from an album per playlist. I used to upload music for my old account, mostly for PA evaluation purposes. I have had no issues with my playlists account nor even with my old account other than I can't access it anymore. I tended to focus with my old one on the more obscure and I generally avoided uploading full albums -- and I was careful with disclaimers. One should know something about fair use/ fair dealing. By the way, I am in the works for uploading original content to youtube, but I need to get better equipment. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 13:00
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An important thing to me is to be fair to an artist/ band, which means if making overall claims of the worth of the material one should be sufficiently familiar with the oeuvre (collected works) to be able to justify it. A limited superficial listening commonly won't cut it. And sometimes in some cases it does take time to acclimate to the music, and can depend on one's mood, and may require multiple listenings to really absorb the music. I would rather start with an artist where I have reason to believe that the music will most suit me, and then other music by the band might open up to me. Some are too prone to generalisations, too prone to quickly judging artists and styles, and giving and thinking in specifics can help give comprehensible meaning to the claims and feelings. Like if one were saying that x band with many releases over the years with diversity sucks or is not for you based on listening to too limited material. Many artists change style over time, learn new skills, try new things (for good, neutral or ill depending on the listener). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 13:31
| Ultimately, I voted for the Residents. I don't dislike them but having listened to a few albums in the past, never really warmed up to. Also considered Black Midi. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 14:13
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^^ Your musical tastes are much more adventurous than mine. I generally avoid anything that's labelled as Avant Prog or Zeuhl.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 14:28
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Magma is like one of my favorite bands, I ultimately picked Squid as all of the others are some of my favorites too, but Magma is like for me one of the prog greats. I'd pick them to represent Avant-Prog as the subgenre as a whole. |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 15:38
| ^Nothing about Magma is avant-prog. Constant repetition, what Magma play (Zeuhl), is not a trait that defines avant. Complex, weird, and constantly changing rhythms, nuances, and time signatures define avant-prog. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 02 2024 at 20:34
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If Zeuhl wasn't a sub-genre where would Magma fit best? ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 07:10
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 15:46
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Multiple votes would have made a better poll imho. Having said that there at least 6 or 7 on the list that are all very annoying to me....and several more that simply are not my cup of tea.  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 18:54
Eclectic would fit Magma, of course Zeuhl is just category based on a Kobaian word by Magma for various inspired and similar bands. Many of those could fit in the RIO/Avant Prog category, and some JRF. Magma has played in RIO fests and inspired RIO bands (Art Zoyd for instance) and so it could be in RIO/Avant Prog too. It could be in JRF, especially for the early albums.... Shrieky is an aspect sometimes when Christian Vander is singing, especially when he seems to be doing Hitler impersonation. Said it in another post, but to me Magma really peaked with its debut album from 1970, which I think is such and audacious, adventurous, exuberant, eclectic album that still sounds fresh and exiting to me today. And I find Vander such an accomplished drummer. Still wows me to this day. And I do think it so masterful compared to the vast number of debuts in PA, including those classics of Prog such as Genesis, Yes, Rush, not to mention later ones like Dream Theater etc. Of course to each his or own, but I think Magma is brilliant across its career (even if the debut is my favourite) and so good live. I have 20 or so Magma albums (live and studio), and I think some complaints I have heard are absurd reductions and hyperbolic when it comes to Magma. And a lot of serious musicians respect Magma and its leader Chistian Vander. To me it is one of the greatest bands in PA and has proved itself over the years both with its studio albums and live concerts. Of course I'm biased. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 19:07
Looking at the poll itself is not of much interest to me, I prefer to read the posts and put names to the opinions. Of course one is free to list every band one does not like, or likes, from the choices. I think by narrowing the options it might help to focus one's mind on paying especial consideration to one and hopefully saying something about why it does not appeal, one's experience with the band, and which music you have listened to... I like such details, and I think it can help with conversation. While I commonly do do multiple votes for polls I make, in this case I was concerned about abuse because I know that it does happen. Like someone might vote for one option many times, vote for ones that that person doesn't know, try to spoil the poll.... It's sad, it's immature, but I have seen such mischief many times at PA. It can be used as a big FU to kinds of music that do not appeal (or the one with the alternate taste), and can be negativity for the sake of negativity and chaos for the sake of chaos. By the way, I went to a cool book store in a trendy part of Vancouver yesterday and they were playing the whole Radiohead OK Computer album. I thought, this is my kind of place. And there prominently displayed was a large book on the band Can. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 19:41
That makes sense to me.------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 19:47
------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 19:58
Speaking of avant-prog, I'm seeing the Flying Luttenbachers tomorrow. 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2024 at 20:03
Brutal! And I mean that in a good way.  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |