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Topic: The Knife vs Knife Edge
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: The Knife vs Knife Edge
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 15:05
Here's a newbie friendly poll but not just for newbies. I'm not sure why I never thought of this one before.







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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 15:48
Knife Edge


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 15:50
The one with Peter Gabriel. Smile


Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 15:56
We Share Our Mothers Health ...

oh that's not what this topic is about. Genesis


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 16:00
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Knife Edge

Well, there are no votes for that one yet so I can only assume you haven't actually gotten around to voting for it yet. Wink


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 16:11
"Knife Edge," by far. ELP's debut is a perfect record, and that's one of its highlights.

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 16:15
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Knife Edge

Well, there are no votes for that one yet so I can only assume you haven't actually gotten around to voting for it yet. Wink

There's a ghost in the machine...a glitch in the system. I'm not allowed to vote in polls.  It's OK.  I accept it.Wink


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 16:20
A fly in the ointment!

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 17:04
Knife Edge. Not a fan of The Knife. A bunch of ideas crammed together done far better on later albums.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 17:10
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Knife Edge

Well, there are no votes for that one yet so I can only assume you haven't actually gotten around to voting for it yet. Wink

There's a ghost in the machine...a glitch in the system. I'm not allowed to vote in polls.  It's OK.  I accept it.Wink

Oh yes, I think I remember now you saying in another thread that you were banned from voting in polls. That seems like such a strange way to punish someone on here. If they don't like you they should just ban you from the website altogether. Confused


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 18:52
The Knife was influenced by The Nice - Rondo. Apparently Rutherford was a fan of The Nice and took the Emerlist Davjack album to Banks who was then inspired to write the main organ riff on The Knife. I would normally want to vote ELP but I absolutely love The Knife so much it's one those tracks I can never tire of. Also I prefer the live version of Knife Edge ELP played at the Lyceum in 1970 (you can find it on the deluxe version of PAAE where the whole concert is available in audio format). I enjoy the way the extended it and Palmer sounds a lot smoother to me. Mostly though it's a hangover of the sixties psyche scene and maybe even some appreciation for The Doors spilling out. 


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 21 2024 at 21:18
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Knife was influenced by The Nice - Rondo. Apparently Rutherford was a fan of The Nice and took the Emerlist Davjack album to Banks who was then inspired to write the main organ riff on The Knife. I would normally want to vote ELP but I absolutely love The Knife so much it's one those tracks I can never tire of. Also I prefer the live version of Knife Edge ELP played at the Lyceum in 1970 (you can find it on the deluxe version of PAAE where the whole concert is available in audio format). I enjoy the way the extended it and Palmer sounds a lot smoother to me. Mostly though it's a hangover of the sixties psyche scene and maybe even some appreciation for The Doors spilling out. 

I always thought it was inspired by the ELP song "knife edge" hence the title but I guess not. The two songs were probably released too close together for that to happen anyway but I guess anything is possible. Your statement makes more sense though.


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 03:34
I like The Knife better. Every book on asteroids comes with a toothbrush.

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 03:43
Genesis' The Knife has the Edge. Smile


Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 04:18
ELP - Knife Edge Smile


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 04:54
Genesis gets the nod.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 06:12
ELP, by a very small margin. Both are great songs.


Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 06:15
Genesis get my vote ( Genesis Live version with Phil is so powerful) but I like both tracks indeed


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 08:00
Hi,

Kinda of bad comparison in my book, but it is what it is. In terms of character and when it came out, and made itself known and seen, I think that "Knife Edge" is way more valuable and important and that while the Genesis piece is nice, it is a bit over blown, and (possibly) overrated as well. 

I like those early Genesis albums, but did not bother with them until a year or two after SEBTP ... while the ELP stuff I had from the first day, when I got PAAE immediately to compare to other classical pieces, which, generally speaking stands up nicely, but very different. My only take on some of the Genesis stuff was that the "illusion" side of things was meant to be meaningful and forceful, so the band did not feel kinda ignored for cheap pop tunes, and songs. Also, if the costumes get taken out, I think that a lot of their stuff falls kinda flat, and a singer has to be way up and above and beyond the capabilities to make the material come alive. While I have always liked PG, I don't think he is that singer, and in his solo albums you can see the limitations by sounding similar and the lyrical design getting repetitive to hide his lack of ability. He does have a lot of nice things, I will admit.


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Posted By: Ramien1979
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 08:27
The knife


Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 09:45
I love both, but I must go with The Knife of Genesis.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 10:08
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Kinda of bad comparison in my book, but it is what it is. In terms of character and when it came out, and made itself known and seen, I think that "Knife Edge" is way more valuable and important and that while the Genesis piece is nice, it is a bit over blown, and (possibly) overrated as well. 

I like those early Genesis albums, but did not bother with them until a year or two after SEBTP ... while the ELP stuff I had from the first day, when I got PAAE immediately to compare to other classical pieces, which, generally speaking stands up nicely, but very different. My only take on some of the Genesis stuff was that the "illusion" side of things was meant to be meaningful and forceful, so the band did not feel kinda ignored for cheap pop tunes, and songs. Also, if the costumes get taken out, I think that a lot of their stuff falls kinda flat, and a singer has to be way up and above and beyond the capabilities to make the material come alive. While I have always liked PG, I don't think he is that singer, and in his solo albums you can see the limitations by sounding similar and the lyrical design getting repetitive to hide his lack of ability. He does have a lot of nice things, I will admit.

I almost never respond to you but I'll make an exception. Not all polls have to be between two songs or anything for that matter that is exactly alike. Both are from the same year and both have the word "knife" in it. That's good enough for me. It's too bad you have such a narrow view of what constitutes a "fair" poll.


Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 12:58
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Knife Edge. Not a fan of The Knife. A bunch of ideas crammed together done far better on later albums.

^^^This says it all!^^^


Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: May 22 2024 at 16:02
ELP

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